Guild Wars 2

You will get it from random chance as mentioned, I don’t get many exotics as it is.
One of my Guildies gained about 8 from the Mystic Toilet himself, so you imagine how many of us are Jealous about the luck he’s got!

EB is a map that has better flow, this is a bad idea because EoTM wasn’t a designed as a traditional WvW map really..

Jugglemonkey.8741:

Stale. My entire guild has left the game, essentially because the balance updates are too few and far between, the LS is the same rehashed content, and WvW has only gotten more unstable at lower tiers and blobby at higher tiers.

Coming from Tier 1, yes the lower Tiers are no longer quite the safe ‘haven’ for everyone, you still find Guilds down there though fighting during prime, but others have been moving up to find a challenge of some sort and more off peak fights.

Calling higher tiers blobby though is wrong, it simply is more active. Nobody forces you to blob; not everyone blobs either, it also depends on the Servers you are up against and what hours you get to play really.

If you aren’t running with a Guild then you are probably missing out on the social element, also if you don’t like Zerging you can find some Guildies to roam with, or run with a group running with numbers that isn’t blobby.

Seriously though, the main reason I’m still here is because I can’t afford the other MMO’s my friends are playing atm. When my new job starts, or when archeage comes out properly, we’ll see.

I don’t think your missing out on much with what’s on offer atm, we’ll see though hopefully Anet pulls out their finger.

Dayra.7405:

Maybe they find it interesting to get an idea why their wow player base is shrinking
And it is: EU-T2 has not even half as many player now, than 1 year ago.

The players aren’t happy, but it’s also the summer; even my Guild is (And will be) less active than usual. It’s time they merged some Servers or find a way to balance populations..

Dayra.7405:

WvW Fels empty in off time and laggy in prime time.

EotM has more People and more.Fights in off time, such that don’t need to try prime time.

In your current match up it’s to be expected, not really impressed with the quality of fights in EoTM sadly.

Selling lootbags, WvW is not a profitable place, but I know some who have more luck with the Mystic Toilet.

I find it somewhat stale yet still fresh enough as long as my Server continues to strive and my Guild progresses. (we’ve had to start from scratch). As for the game itself I love the combat system despite the balance issues and my Thief; even after all the nerfs.

Last year I didn’t really enjoy WvW as much as I wanted, now I can despite the issues it has.

Well all those WXP masteries sure filled the gap between all that new content.
I don’t think the Bloodlust Ruins were a bad addition though, I hate underwater combat and you lose stacks once you enter if you don’t have Bloodlust equipped on a weapon.

I wish they would stop some of these hackers though, can’t be that hard?
But being angry over something you can’t control, instead of trying to make the best out of the situation and focusing on the negatives, is the wrong way to deal with this ‘anger’.

Community forums and Open Tag Raids.

It was found in some datamine thingy afaik, after that it vanished into thin air like your everyday thief. Would be nice if the made the tags account bound aswell.

I think Gandara was worse during S2.. still better safe than sorry really especially if you want less ego involved like some characters. cough

Dawdler.8521:

If they didnt have lower numbers, they wouldnt be rank 4-27 now, would they? PPT is 80% about population and coverage. WvW is not so packed there is population competition across all tiers.

Just choose one of the top 3 if you want population, its the same darn thing no matter the server. Unless you got a raid guild following you there, one person more wont make it any more or less populated than it currently is.

I doubt he wants to sit in queues, or be forced into EoTM for some PvW for most of the evening during prime time, so adding one more player in the queue would be a problem for him at least.

@dayra We get no feedback, negative feedback is in our minds if we choose to think that way. Perhaps they could give acknowledgement for the fact we’ve given constructive feedback yet that would give us false hope (look above), but being rude/immature or bumping old threads with nothing to add, because things are not the way we want it to be; is not going to get the reaction we want.

I’m not defending Anet btw, complaining in that manner is just the immature and very internet-agey like certain sites around, but it’s about time WvW needed some positive PR on their part.

They don’t have much numbers compared to others apart from Prime Time no.
Apart from that there’s AG, FSP, Piken and Gunnar’s, which are probably not gonna be as active for your own taste and you’re gonna have to ask people who know what’s it like down there.

There’s plenty of action especially against SFR and we have Guilds running closed and open raids daily here, otherwise I don’t know who I could recommend in the upper Tiers apart from Gandara if you like Small scale.

The Top 3 in the rankings at the moment, SFR is full during prime time though.

I dunno, it isn’t quite as bad as it used to be I feel, at least it doesn’t last very long and I’ve only felt it during blob fights on EB.

warrior Gro was first!

- Can’t name a server in a thread or it will be closed as a match up thread again

For once there is still a Active thread regarding Desolation, people have to be careful there though..

We have a Community driven Forums over at Gw2wvw.net, but sadly it hasn’t seen the same kind of activity like the old days especially on the EU side. I guess people enjoy a bit of drama that comes with WvW..

I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks necro’ing threads will do any good is wrong, as discussed on Gw2wvw.net.

Doing so thinking they’ll bow down to our demands by not giving constructive criticism isn’t going to achieve anything, but make them ignore us more – it only shows one person throwing his toys out of the pram. I know they might not acknowledge it, I’ve written stuff that isn’t always acknowledged, but I have to think it’s being taken into account and that I’m making a difference.

We all want the best for WvW, it’s a game mode not an individual product with so much promise that isn’t in our vision, yet there isn’t something quite like it that brings us back to play it everyday.

I’m sure there are many like me still enjoy hopping into WvW daily with Acquaintances, Friends and Guildies; who also want to see new WvW content and changes. Otherwise we might aswell give up and reroll tetris.

To be fair did they even say that they were bringing any new content to WvW? Hyperbole much?

I don’t solo roam for a challenge anyway, as Truebanana mentions alot of players are not individually skilled or Geared for small scale, so go to the OS as mentioned if you want to find fair fights and less people adding in, but you do get some trolls in thereand OP builds that are hard to counter unless you adapt.

I hate people who add in and backstab you from behind.

Why exactly would a veteran WvWer move to SFR?

I’m not even talking about Guilds, just because some may move to be a part of the strongest Server in the EU and to be in the most active Tier, it doesn’t mean everyone is there to ‘win’ a Competition that, in the end doesn’t you reward us for anything when we finish 1st or 2nd – whether it’s the at the end of a weekly Matchup or in the Rankings.

If Server pride boils down to arguing over who’s blob is better or whoever wins the Coverage Wars, then that for me is completely pointless. Man I miss Vizunah though.

My point was that Gankers deserved to be Zerged as that is Karma for chasing after Roamers in bigger groups, it usually happens against Emotefarers Rest.

It’s a PvP zone anyway, so anything goes, some people will let you get your World Completion, but a Red Tag = Dead and a lootbag to most.

I don’t know why this has been bumped, but most groups will not hesitate to chase and down a solo roamer in many cases, so I don’t care if anyone else adds in to make it a fair fight, even when they get zerged down; sometimes it’s their just deserts.

And the Condi Meta? It’s so out of hand that 7/10 of the time, I reckon you will bump into any Class running a Condi Build that applies so many Conditions for a sustained period, that the classes with the least Cleanses will just melt.

The OP mentioned she was playing at 4am, I don’t think much was going on last week during that hour apart from the train capping stuff and some fights with much lesser numbers of SFR. Gandara didn’t really have a chance to defend themselves, so they went about their own ways especially those [Crow] guys.

Last night the funny thing is SFR had far more uplevels than running with [GH], I don’t think it’s fair to expect everyone to play the way you expect – it can’t be helped if you want numbers.

IF they were running tagged she is free to follow, otherwise I wouldn’t advise anyone who doesn’t know what they’re doing or has a lvl 80 at the very least, no matter if it’s socially acceptable or not.

Anyway many of our Guilds run Open Tagged Raids on here, you are free to tag along and learn, or you could ask any one of our Guilds if you could follow them.

Again though I don’t think many of you guys from other servers are qualified to comment on this unless you take part in a Community that functions in a similar way which is not always going to be the case for every Server, especially Piken which I know little of, but I imagine you have a completely different Philosophy compared to Desolation.

I’ve been on Deso since 2012, yet it’s stayed a highly populated pug Server despite so many Guilds moving in/out.

What about Blobbing?
Many people dislike blobbing, yet you have Servers wanting to move up the rankings to the EU Gold League, as that is where most of the action is whether it’s Guilds or to find fights most of the day.

Rallybots? Blame the system because us the players are given the freedom to see what WvW is all about, we were all once like that remember, now most of us play WvW almost everyday for hours no matter the changes we want Anet to make to it.

Sorry to hear about this, but this does not represent the mindset for the whole of Desolation.Generally we welcome everyone to join no matter the class or level, unless we’re going up against the SFR blob that requires a bit more cohesion and balance of classes.

At night we are the biggest and strongest Server in the EU against most Servers, so I don’t see a problem with her tagging along unless TEQ were running a closed raid.
Whether it’s for PPT or for fights, I don’t think anyone should be excluded from WvW even Rangers or Engineers who have niche roles compared to many others.

Remember it’s still just a game at the of the day, there’s no need to bring Ethics into this.

I can understand in a way, but WvW isn’t supposed to be fair or either organized, the best small scale we’ve had is Scrims with BT and DAWN this week where we’ve had a 5v5 and a 4v4 .

Not everyone is running optimal roaming gear either and many run rather frustrating builds to fight against.

I agree celestial is a waste unless you balance things out somehow, couldn’t watch much of this as I believe the best way to learn is play a thief yourself and find a style that suits you, which I assume most have done themselves by now.

@Maskaganda I think there is one SFR Guild called [Five] and maybe [PA], but both of them seem to love chasing solo roamers.

Desolation though? Perhaps we lack Roaming guilds, but then again most of us seem to ‘roam’ in mixed groups of 5-10+ anyway.

Then I hope most people have that attitude as you state they have, rather than bringing out statements and things like “PPT Heroes” and ‘play PPT when you enemies sleep or work’, because playing to take objectives or defending is bad in WvW, even if you have to use x amounts of siege against the odds? (even unconventional Golem defense)

Otherwise I know people hop into s/tPvP if they want PvP that isn’t Zergy round here, unless they can find some good small scale.

Inside the OS is for Duels and GvG (and JP completists) even though you get trolls, to avoid that you need an instance that doesn’t allow that.
We play for fights more often than not lately, yet we do our fair share for Desolation like many others – some do not.

I don’t think you can expect the pugs to be running exactly as you want anyway, giving up because of that you would lose respect.

I’d rather run with a load of ranged classes who know what they’re doing, rather than some random melee train.

“After all i wonder whats the name of game again?. Shame ANET seemed to forget that.”

Stop quoting that when the name of the Game has nothing to do with the fact it has little to do with it supposedly being Catered towards in-game Guilds and GvG, it would need some major changes for people to make GvG more than some community based game-style that is as legitimate as anything within the WvW Sandbox. This game ain’t esports like alot of GvGers seem to act like with their attitudes.

As flawed as the PPT/Scoring system is or how badly balanced Populations are, which ends up making a mockery of the Point system; people can play WvW as they want because it is not limited to people who just want to play WvW in a way they prefer.

I concur that anything goes in WvW, some worse than others like the Hackers and Spies/Saboteurs nevermind GvG trolls really.

Why should a Guild be obligated to tag up when they could supply a commander later on? If they don’t want to tag at that moment that’s their choice.

That’s what we do anyway and many others do.
It’s like when I used to command a ton and whenever I was around I’d get asked all the time, eventually I had to take a break!

I expect most sensible Guilds avoid using their home Borderlands just for fights, but also most sensible Guilds should be able to find a good balance that suits their own needs and for their Server.

People will run Closed and Open Raids as they wish, if you want to feel what it’s like running with any one of the Guilds ask them and join their TS channel.

I’ve commanded alot especially last year when Lyssa runes granted you all boons for 5s on activating an Elite which helped give me more sustain, but since then alot has changed after all those balance patches.

I don’t command as much these days because it burned me out, but I’d have to build alot more tanky, have a party that grants plenty of stability and to make sure they can follow my movement easily enough for my group to bomb or regroup – which means no D/P or too many shadowsteps.

Actually there are small and large scale fights to be found and I’ve found some nice little spots where players have been dueling outside the OS, but atm you have to expect alot of the action this week is going to be between Guild groups – or Deso and SFR blobs clashing.

I don’t think we have large quantities of roamers running about especially during prime time, I know because I often run about on my own, but even then it’s usually up against larger numbers of roamers, do not play the victim card that you get chased by mobs of players from Desolation; so do we.

It’s more individual commanders and players that contribute to PPT, but the objective game? It does take time and effort to upgrade a keep (or even a tower), scout and siege it up to at least T2 or even reset one, especially if you set that goal for your raid.

There aren’t any long queues even on Desolation right now besides reset night and on Saturday evening, I can see a drop in activity almost everywhere though.
Even then prolonged periods against Seafarers has gotten stale.

I don’t know many servers who play the Coverage game quite like us and SFR even after the tournament, and it being the summer.

Rankings and PPT are a pretty poor measurement of overall Server strength anyway due to population differences.

So even though many Players and Guilds may look to move to find more fights and a challenge, I hope people can try to spread out a little to even out populations which could bolster a servers coverage and lead to more match variation.

If its 9 weeks long and you take each of those weeks seriously then of course you will burn out. The first couple of weeks were at least somewhat exciting once you got past the queues with fights almost throughout the day.

What else is there for a Server to aim for once a Season is over?

There is no truly balanced competition format that would work with wvw in its current state though.

I re-edited as I did not mean to say Gandara are silver, still I don’t think its a problem since the Tiers is/has changed and will continue to change. You have no queues anymore and it doesn’t look like you’ve changed much – you get the best of both worlds, you even Gankdara into the morning!

Oh I forgot to say, I think the way they allowed free transfers to certain servers for a large population to stack before the tournament was just plain stupidity and lacked logic on Anets part.. one mistake that they hopefully learned from.

The two most Active servers in the EU are Desolation and SFR, but I’d like to think people could spread out a little and go to Servers like Gandara or some Silver League Server.

Then again I don’t know what’s going to happen to Silver League Servers in the future with some Guilds moving up.

Bartas.4908:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Transfer Server for the meantime, it’ll be at least 2/3 more months IMO and hopefully they’ve learned their mistakes from the past two Seasons… heh

you are joking, right?

You can detect the sarcasm after I said heh. :P

Anyway I don’t think Seasons are completely terrible just poorly implemented, the main problem is of course that populations are not spread out enough that you get people stacking on certain Servers for the chance of better rewards thanks to the Transfer System.

Transfer Server for the meantime, it’ll be at least 2/3 more months IMO and hopefully they’ve learned their mistakes from the past two Seasons… heh

You simply need to lose rating points or pray the RNG gods are kind to you,
on the EU side Desolation just spent 4 weeks against Seafarers after putting up with them for 7 weeks during the Tournament, yet even when we drop we beat most servers in terms of Coverage.

Last year we spent months stuck in Tier 1 against Vizunah Square as much as we wanted to drop a Tier!

Even in PvP it’s not often you’ll find fair fights, so it’s only fair in WvW where things are far more unbalanced in terms of builds if one side is able to get away especially if you are a Solo Roamer, whom most people try to gank every single time if no one else is roaming themselves.

Oh yeah, some builds/classes are just better at dis-engaging and re-engaging better than others of course which is annoying!

A class with good mobility or Stealth and who have good self sustainability like Engis, Thieves, Warriors, Mesmers and certain Ranger builds from what I’ve seen myself really, so that you can get away from tough situations, which is often in WvW.

I love playing S/D even though it’s not really a bursty set, you have to keep utilizing Infiltrators Strike as much as possible to pin them down while avoiding any of their own spikes.

Hamster.4861:

There’s also the bug where you get immobilized in the air, or while blinking and you’re perma-stuck wherever you come down until you desperately type /no or some other emote. superb way to die.

Perma immobilize when you’re not immobilized..

Making WvW a Team Competition won’t fix it, it’ll only kill it even more and close out the population that WvW thrives on; From Roamers to Random Zerglings – it should not be a game mode where it’s mainly exclusive to those who want to PvP in a Competitive esports style.

Don’t care about community for whatever reasons? That’s fine, but don’t look down on those who do like playing amongst their community because it may be too ‘casual’ for your own taste.

The problem is that populations are not spread out enough between servers, Anet promotes stacking on most top tier servers.