The only way to vote with wallet would be not buying HoT but since elites were made a must have for pvp i am sure most ppl got xpac anyway.
Another way would be if entire community would quit game but that also won’t happen.
Thieves and wars (that otherwise would be competing in popularity with revs) will probably remain garbage for loooong time untill balancing team either decides to tone done aoe/Cc/passives fest we have atm or make thieves/war same as other classes (aka less active = more passives = computer plays for you).
So, if you are die hard thief/war and don’t want to reroll, it is probably good time to try out other games.
we found out ppl still use thieves as bank characters, that can’t be allowed so we decided to put all thief mobility spells including dodges on 50 sec CD
Guys do me a favor and turn off your anti-virus and firewall…then try the game out. I am asking cause that seems to work for me…its NOT a fix…but still something to work on.
Oh and btw I am using the anti-virus/firewall VIPRE
Have you seen my logs? It is pretty clear that issue is between last HOP and ncsoft servers. NO WAY my firewall could affect it. Also always at fixed times.
because of dailies and legendary backpack high lvs have to grind low lv fractals hence why you see so much elitism
from other perspective, i ended up soloing bosses so many times (especially in reactor, could sing about it) in low level fractals because people didn’t even bother to read about fractals or even look at what boss does… you think that is enjoyable?
everytime somone says " war sucks" these guys should remember how ranger sucked , so get over it and reroll, maybe war will be usefull in half a year , do you guys honestly think there wil be a time where a class wont suck major balls compared to the rest ? if YOU main the class that currently sucks , though luck , reroll and wait for buff and think of the poor rangres, how long they were useless
Nobody says it was ok that rangers were just ok in yoloq and nowhere else. Good balance is when every class has at least 1 viable build in pvp that is also desired for teams. Yeah, we can wait, we can reroll , quit game etc. is it ok though? Let’s just all quit game and wait. Great suggestion~
Don’t get me wrong Cynz, but you’re complaining about Thieves all day (and night) long everyday and I haven’t seen a single suggestion in your posts what should be in your opinion changed to make Thieves viable again. Just random rants all around.
check thief forums~
i have made suggestions~
if i ever dared to post anything about thieves here it would usually end up in either banns or moved to thief subforums anyway
@Cynz, I just don’t care tbh either way. Don’t you find it alarming that for nearly 3 years straight thief was mandatory on nearly all top tier teams? I’m a lot more alarmed at that and the way ANet have allowed that to happen and introduced 0 other roles or playstyles for thieves.
@Nearlight, sure would love to see all classes represented equally but I’m just not bothered by classes that have spent years solidly in meta in one way or another suddenly not being meta for what will be 2-3 months(?) till the next big balance patch. Sure if these classes hadn’t been top picks for every team for so long I’d feel different but they have for a very very long time.
Lets not forget the years of rangers and necros not being meta at all or that mesmer had to have a whole team built around it and even then spent more time running for their lives from one class than being able to play for over a year too.
Let’s balance classes based on their past performance? They were in meta for X amount of months/years -> force them into being garbage for next 3 years? Yeah that would work well~
Also what is WRONG with being in meta at all?
What really should be happening in semi good balance is that every class has at least 1 build that is in meta and equvalently viable for tournaments.
Everyone and their mum loses it if warrior and thief aren’t represented at all. Even though we’ve spent nearly 3 years where one has nearly always had a place on every team and the other has flip flopped between stack to the roof, mandatory or token cleanse/heal bot.
Here’s hoping the next big balance patch shakes it up and we see these two classes back, maybe guard and ele can take a time out from being meta?
We have people MAINING wars and thieves playing other classes in tourney… you don’t think it is alarming either?
Dear Evan Lesh can you do same for me as well? I main thief and face premades/teams made of top players quite frequently. There is no way i can compete even vs mediocre players on thief atm. Thank you.
Those changes won’t do much with amount of revealing flying around and miriad passives/defensives handled to other classes.
What is the point of tiny buffs to stealth mechanics when you get locked out of it up to 18 sec.
What is the point of small tweaks to dmg when you can’t even land it most of the time.
Thief has issues with core mechanics due to constant nerfs for 3 years straight and all the mechanics added to other classes. Tweaking some numbers a bit won’t change anything.
Guys, thief is fine. Devs are professionals and put a lot of effort and thought into class! It is CLEARLY player issue that thief is not taken by any tournament team and gets booted from almost every raid group.
No thieves in qualifiers finals (except for dat sd thief whos team lost 502-0).
If you queue as thief alone people ask you to reroll.
No thieves wanted in raids (you get insta booted if you join as thief). Even in fractals people start to ask for anything but thief.
Great job :|
Thieves need dmg buff and ways to actually land that dmg ( get around blocks/prot/invul etc). They also need better survival and waaaaayyy more team support. Atm they just don’t offer anything really. And moblity is a joke as any class now moves just tiny bit slower than thief and can recap point instantly since thief can’t fight anyway.
Also True Shot is Truly Unblockable. Not that it hits harder than Rapid Fire, not that it has shorter CD by half, but its also unblockable, exacly what we call balance.
The real question is how is this even justified compared to backstab, that requires stealth, hit from behind, crit, being in melee, can be blocked/blinded etc. and deals measy 3k dmg on average.
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I’ll just keep bumping these threads until I see a response from devs.
+1 this lol
We gotta keep it consistant and in their face until they’re as tired of it as we are.
more like we will get all banned from forums before that happens
With the ferocity patch 2 years ago (I have been a noob back then, so I can’t really remember how things were before the patch) they lowered the overall damage for everyone. Thief has been effected worse as far as I remember, maybe because of all the critical traits which were “double nerfed”.
So, how about nerfing the overall damage once again but leaving thief partly out of it? That shouldn’t be too hard.
If they don’t do it then I don’t see that much hope for the whole game, to be honest. So, lets see what new ideas the tournament brings.
There is 0 thieves in tourney so far lol. I mean devs put so much thought and effort into thief cvlass that no team is interested in bringing thief to tournament.
Thief needs numbers as buffs, Warrior needs evade-hate and baseline unblockables to be viable in this fail meta. This game is just so bad, I’m getting crushed so hard in DOTA and I still feel like it’s a better game LMAO.
Numbers won’t do anything. Most of the time you can’t even land anything due to absurd amount of invuls/blocks/prot/blinds/CC etc.
Not to mention thief himself just gets 1-2 shotted by everything. Also… revealed, revealed everywhere…. which oh so smart person thought it was good idea to add so much AOE!!!!!! revealed to game.
Inflitrator’s return change should be reverted (not have cast anymore). Given the current CC and AoE wars there is no reason to have cast time on it anymore.
and my personal least favorite (as thief), lv 40s with enemies have perma 25 stacks of stab, might etc….. arghhhh… so happy i am done with that tier for achive
I understand the above points about wanting the elite specs to be available for free in spvp, but at the same time I am quite happy to pay a reasonable sum of money for things like extra classes, skill lines, etc.
For someone like me who really only plays spvp (and sometimes WvW) paying the price of the original game just to use the elite specs is a tough sell. I keep getting faced with choices like, “so do I buy Fallout 4 or get the elite specs?” (Its the same amount of money where I live).
If it was like $20 or something for the specs it would make it look much more attractive. Plus it seems an ideal way to monetize the spvp part of the game (like I said earlier this is similar to what Smite does), as long as it didn’t go crazy with new specs coming out every couple of months.
I am not saying that elite specs should be free. I am saying that elite specs shouldn’t be SO MUCH BETTER than core specs that it becomes a MUST to have them if you actually want to win any matches, not to mention tournaments/leagues etc.
I saw people use this… trick…. only once, which was in lv 77? fractal. Given the amount of HP Moss had, i can kind of understand why people abuse it. But besides that i have yet to have a single run till 70 where people used that trick. Besides, nobody really forces you to use it lol.
If anything i wish Anet would use recoures to fix bugs like archiviner not dropping hammer or lazers applying instant 22 stacks of agony on 1 hit which imo are more frustrating than some pugs doing JP.
