working as intended
if you have above 50% win rate you get matches where you will lose (unless some unspeakable odds (see crash, dc etc.) will allow you to win match anyway, which will cause the system grant you with impossbly bad teams/or simply remove teammates from your team for next 10 matches)
if you have 50% or lower win rate, you get matches where you have 50% chance to win (which means you still can lose)
i honestly don’t understand why people even bother tanking mmr down when system itself will force you to tank mmr down anyway if you dare to win couple matches; all you need is just to try bit less in matches where you have 50% win chance
Back in beta, or early launch, my friend and I vowed never to play any class in PvP besides 1, I chose Guardian. …(snip)…. I can’t be the only one who took up this vow of keeping that circle on the PvP panel a single color.
Thoughts? Anyone else agree?
I think there is a very high chance that you and your friend are the only people in the game with over 2000 matches and all of them on one class.
i have something like 4k matches on thief across 2 accounts..<_<
Yeah, Lord getting instagibbed is definitely is an issue. Dh having instant aoe iwin buttons isn’t helping either. Since abuse of passives is a thing now why not give lord some passives as well, like block/invul etc. at % of HP.
Thief is not completely useless, it just takes a lot of experience to play it and the class is just underperforming in certain area (group support for example).
The biggest issue is community tbh: certanly thief is not best class atm but it is mostly community that is denying them any group play. You won’t be taken in raids because people think thieves suck (they are ok in raids actually). People won’t take you on pvp teams because thieves can’t play bunkers (still can win games as thief though, just gotta have coordinated team).
If you enjoy thief, play it. Evetually (in 2 years or so lol) the class will get some buffs or other classes get nerfs. If you want easy road, play ele – wanted everywhere.
I have never seen anyone complain about thieves in my games if there ever was one, nor when I played it myself
yeah probably because you play with premades or ask ppl to play with you ( i saw the whispers you sent to other pro league players)
not to mention e-fame
go make no name thief and queue couple times, you would be amazed how low people can get
What are you smoking dude, must be something good. I said out of my point of view, If you mean i ask other players to duo queue then yeah of course, it’s much more fun to watch if you have somewhat synergy (for example mes/thief duo) than just going in solo, also highers your chance of actually winning by a lot. “premade” go check my stream, most of my games are solo/duo.
And as said, this is from my point of view. Never when I had someone on thief in my team has there ever been complains.
good for you, doesn’t mean the problem isn’t there
I have never seen anyone complain about thieves in my games if there ever was one, nor when I played it myself
yeah probably because you play with premades or ask ppl to play with you ( i saw the whispers you sent to other pro league players)
not to mention e-fame
go make no name thief and queue couple times, you would be amazed how low people can get
The problem is not even seeing traps (most of the times i even know where they are). Problem is that you have often no way around them due to pulls, knockbacks and dodging through them gets you killed because logic. Now if thieves could disarm traps like rogues in wow…….. Then again it would never happen, the gold spooned babies could never be put in danger!
I’ve seen thieves who arent as good as you in my sparkly woman’s best friend division.
It’s ok Cynz, you’re still my hero and a heartthrob.
Not playing game that is what lol
On more serious note: mmr didn’t get reset, my mmr was fairly high and at infamous “you will have 50% win rate no matter how you resist”. I obviously didn’t resort to the cheesing my way up the tiers like the rest did (tanking mmr down, sucking up to people to roll premade etc.). Add to that that playing thief (and solo) atm is not fun so i do pvp maybe 1-2 times a week now. Do the math.
I don’t really care about leagues anymore since they are a joke, i just found this one matchmaking quite hilarious and wanted to share xD
On side note: i am moving to BnS, GW2 is pretty dead for me pvp wise. If anyone wanna play BnS on EU servers together, hmu
Had I known you needed a team, I would have invited you because I like having one thief in the team. We’re not competing in ESL so who cares about meta.
Good thieves I like because we can start out with an organized 1-3-1 split and create momentum. Once mid and close are capped, far still contested and 3-4 of the enemy wiped, everything just snowballs into our advantage.
Haven’t participated in BnS yet but I’ll probably end up getting it. I heard there’s a race that’s exclusively all female, lol weird.
Well, if you gonna try it, i will let you know my accnt name there so maybe we can play bit together. From what i got, you don’t need gear for pvp, only lv up character so you can have talents/spells since they are bound to level.
BnS is comming out mid of Jan, so just month to wait.
Yeah, i really wish people would stop giving up before match even started just because there is thief on team. Or even worse, verbally abuse thief players just for playing the class.
Since the drop of HoT, Guild Wars hasn’t been nearly as much fun as it used to be. I understand that Anet is trying to introduce new and exciting content, but having your favorite class be torn to shreds by all other class just isn’t enjoyable. Thief used to be extremely fun to play and there were tons of different builds one could run, and still do well. But lately, thief has just been out classed by all the other classes in all formats. Whether you’re in WvW or PvP, thieves just get flamed and raged at, while they’re still useful in PvE, I feel like our role is not needed as much as it used to be. I hope that Anet soon buffs thief or nerfs the other classes for the sake of the enjoyment as a thief main.
First, I’m not a dude, dude. Second, match manipulation is cheating according to ANET. Queue ing with low tier players is match manipulation since it places the higher level player in a “softer” match than is appropriate.
No it doesn’t, or at least thats not how its supposed to work. Matchmaking is supposed to allocate teams so each has a 50% chance of winning.
Except it doesn’t. Matchmaking is looking at players w/l ratio. If player has above 50% w/lo ratio it will put them on team that are garanteed to lose. The amount of absolutely lopsided matches compared to even just proves it (as well as match history). Matchmaking almost NEVER tries to create teams that both have 50% win chance.
You forgot the lovely 50% w/l algorithm that punishes you for winning games and gives you teams that can’t even leave spawn area (or never even enter game/exist on first place if you actually manage to win previous game regardless impossible odds).
A lot of the posts here are… somewhat critical… so I just wanted to say that, for me, the league has been a lot of fun.
In about 130 games (nearly all solo), I went from no ranked experience up to ruby. There were a couple blowout games and a couple of times where people were jerks, but far and away, the experience was positive. This is now my favorite game mode.
Thanks to Anet for putting this in the game, and thanks to everyone who gave me advice and help along the way.
This is why you had fun, OP. You had 0 mmr which should have happend to everyone but Anet “forgot” to do it. The system assumed you are new and paired you with new/unexperienced players. People with high mmr on other hand either were forced to cheat or forced into 50% los ratio by lovely mmr system.
I’ve seen thieves who arent as good as you in my sparkly woman’s best friend division.
It’s ok Cynz, you’re still my hero and a heartthrob.
Not playing game that is what lol
On more serious note: mmr didn’t get reset, my mmr was fairly high and at infamous “you will have 50% win rate no matter how you resist”. I obviously didn’t resort to the cheesing my way up the tiers like the rest did (tanking mmr down, sucking up to people to roll premade etc.). Add to that that playing thief (and solo) atm is not fun so i do pvp maybe 1-2 times a week now. Do the math.
I don’t really care about leagues anymore since they are a joke, i just found this one matchmaking quite hilarious and wanted to share xD
On side note: i am moving to BnS, GW2 is pretty dead for me pvp wise. If anyone wanna play BnS on EU servers together, hmu
I do understand people would probably come back to the game if a soloQ actually made it into the game.
However.
The queue-times in diamond – legend are horrible as they are atm. (Up to 10-15 minutes). With the introduction of soloQing the que-times would increase even further and eventually result in a diminishing playerbase.
So let’s make sure majority of players (which ARE solo) quit game for the sake of few premades? Great idea.
The problem is not that elites are overloaded, the problem is they can’t nerf them because your average Joe won’t be able to complete raids. So this garbage of combat we have now can only get wose.
Taken from reddit (there is video with proof as well): if you take gingererman path in JP (platform with cookie man) the presents will explode while you are still jumping on snowflake. The effect: presents explode for players before they even touched presets who are ahead of the player taking gingerman path causing unintentional griefing.
Any info on possible fix or do we all have to wait till 5 am to be able to complete JP?
I have to wait for BnS till January :/ At least they follow the perfect imbalance logic, skill/reaction heavy combat and only flaw is that you need to lv up character for pvp (eeeks). No horrible matchmaking + there is soloq.
GW2 on other hand:
- aoe/cc spam + passives playing game for you, 0 skill involved
- no soloq
- terrible matchmaking system punishing you for winning games
25% dmg reduction to all damage(including condi), 3k toughness and vitality buff for 8 sec even on 60 cd is too long/good considering wars can have it at least twice before going down. So no, ty.
Tbh i think wars and thieves are fine (besides few flaws here and there). Other classes and elites in general need massive toning down.
We don’t need more powercreep if anything patches should contain nothing more but nerfs and bug fixes for next few months to bring this game to any resemblance of playable/enjoyable meta.
Sure! They can’t kitten it up more than our current ones have.
And what they will do here?
Redesign Svarnir and Cheftain or Guild Lord and his bodyguards outfits?
You can white knight all you want, but our current devs are trash at their jobs. At least they’re gemstore team is consistent. They could probably do a better job balancing and hot fixing.
Are you so new to pvp to not be able to adapt to new meta?
Yeah, it’s not the greatest meta, Anet did kill variety with the specialization patch (removing attribute from trait line, forcing 3 line destroying build that work on 4 and removing traits that was making build good enough to compete versus meta) but you have counter to all build at this page: www.metabattle.com
Tonight, Mallyx condies invulnerability will die, the build will see less play over ESL and some DH will come back on the scene.
Nothing is perfect, but at least we have something to do while they fix it.
New to PvP? No I’ve been with the franchise for 10 years. I has a hall of heroes junkie but in gw1 days. However, their current devs compared to the old, are terrible.
Glad to see mallyx nerfed, but they’re poor attempt at Mesmer is laughable. Not to mention a large percentage of these “balance changes” are actually tool tip fixes.
fixed it for you
as for topic, wtb old managment/old devs that created this game
gw2 turned from best mmorpg for pvp to complete trash with HoT
Did you have a 10+ victory streak beforehand? Or at least more losses than victories? There’s a lot of folks on here complaining of the same thing – the 50% w/l pushes you back down.
^^this too. My entire match history is 2 games won 2 games lost etc. Althrough, I won 4 games recently, mannnnn the system didn’t like it. 7 loses in a row lol (including people sitting afk in half of them).
We generally need more boonsteal :|
But they won’t do it otherwise thieves might actually become more useful and be a threat to revenants in popularity.
Well, I was afk twice because I fell asleep due to the boring bunker no risk, max reward meta.
EDIT: actually my head was on the keyboard, so it wasn’t technically afk…
You just proved that you aren’t right.
By playing bunker mesmer you got average reward and high risk!
You can fall asleep due to boredom and lose a match, how isn’t that high risk?!
The main problem i see is gliders activation being executed server side which leads to consistent wipes on Gorse if any of teammates has ping above 100 ms (which even EU players can get on EU servers).
Reasons?
1. i know for fact i will lose next games because of the moronic 50% implementation. The system literary begs you to tank down mmr on purpose so you can have somehow enjoyable games.
2. i absolutely hate current meta, aoe spam everywhere, passives on passives riding passives, computer plays for you… insane powercreep… counterplay? what is that? all for sake of what? Raids?
1. pvp: turn off chat for own sanity
2. pve: i just roll with sp through it, didn’t have much issue so far
3. raids: just reroll man. 99% of raid groups would never invite you. Thief just lacks group support.
