Guild Wars 2

Tell it to druids that for some reason think they are decap engis and keep feeding far.

Cecilia.5179:

Axialbloom.8109:

Impact.2780:

Fine. Get rid of the instant-cast stuff first.

Why? That has not been viable in PvP for months.

If the damage is bumped up, it becomes extremely hard to deal with, because it cannot be evaded except by prediction.

1. Ele update: can’t say much since there is also no details. Glad to hear there will be QoL for screpter i just hope it won’t get overtuned like DH.

2. Not touching scrapper hammer at all? Why? If i also understand it right engis won’t see any nerfs if any, even though it is currently one of the most broken classes right now due miriad of defenses, backstab dmg on hammer which is overloaded with utilities, CC etc.

3. Guards: yeah, i really hope traps will be brought down a bit. Not sure what other options of guards really need buffs considering they already have really good condi build, dps build and bunker build which all are not used due to DH being faceroll and other elites being better at bunkering because they are overbuffed.

4. Mesmers: nothing about ridicilous amount of uptime on evades/blocks for mes? No update on alacrity affecting thieves (since they don’t profit from it). No update of stolen plasma that is still missing boons like resistance and quickness?

5. Necro: gods, please don’t buff necro. They are already bordeline OP and way too forgiving due to massive aoe spam and way too high survivability (i play one myself).

6. Ranger: not a single word about bunker druid’s pet almost one shotting players. Not a single word about year long CC aoe dazes that hit target even outside of the circles. GG.

7. Revenant: don’t forget hammer dmg and exploitable bugs :|

8. Thief: well i hope those aren’t just plain number increase/decrease. We need things like backstab hitting through blocks/invuls under certain conditions. Only acro gets looked at? What about whole class? It suffers greatly from massive aoe, revealed, CC spam from all other classes and stealth/dodges offer often no protection at all. WITHDRAW IS STILL MISSING 10% HEALING BUFF.

9. Wars: too vague to say much, i only hope rifle doesn’t turn into second scrapper hammer with crap load of utility and backstab dmg on every spell.

Bottom line: unless buffs to ele scepter, thief and war will be huge (which opens new problems) i don’t see us moving anywhere away from current snoozefest of bunker meta. Most elites need overall reducing in aoe effectivness, longer CD on CC, less passives, less effect on CCs, longer CD on defensives, less effectivness on defensives, less boon spam and dmg on some builds need to be tuned down (e.g. vault spam, dh traps, scrapper hammer, chill from reaper etc.)

that would require a lot of regearing

No point really. Devs hate this class. 3 years speak for themself.

Agemnon.4608:

Diamond solo queue can get to legend solo, I’ve seen it. You literally have to play a hard carry class though, something that can 1v1, troll 1vx fights after everyone has died, get rezes, watch home, decap, move down bodies (to prevent mesmer rez) and rotate at esl/pro league level.

So…daredevil?

ele~

Shadow Dragon.1469:

Is the pvp gonna be gear based/lvl based or work like spvp?

in bns? gear doesn’t matter, everyone gets same stats and brought up to same lv; you do need to lv up character so you can access talents though~

so theoretically you can play at low lv but you wouldn’t have all talents

then again from what i hear getting to lv 45 (50 comes out few patches later) takes 2 days~

The problem as stated before thief sb for example was kept very weak dmg wise, even got nerfed couple times because of “utility”. Hammer is loaded with utility yet produces so much dmg.

Reem.3578:

Ragnarox.9601:

Cynz.9437:

Ragnarox.9601:

Wait wha? You are crying bout scrapper hammer dmg? You thieves have nothing to do?right?

If anything you should whine about revenant dmg + condi, chrono survival and dmg, necro invincibility + dmg, dh traps and dmg, druid dmg + heals + pets, tempest survival + dmg…

revs are at least killable
chrono bunker doesn’t do much dmg
i found necro actually easiest target to kill as thief
druid pets are broken, period
tempest does ok dmg

scrapper on other hand…… really high dmg, really high survival…

Cmon, scrappers dont have high dmg (10k backstabs, 8k HS), they have high sustain and they just hard counter stealth classes (especially thieves) with aoe reval plus stealth. Thieves can’t and shouldn’t be able to beat or own anyone. Like DH can’t beat tempests or revenant or reaper. You cant have it all (at least you can 100% escape from fights you can’t win unlike other classes)

Wait wait wait…
10k backstab?
8k HS??
Well… i’ll just leave it as it is.
And wow, “thieves can’t and shouldn’t be able to own anyone”, please think a little bit and try getting what’s wrong with what you just said.

So many painful truths in one thread, i could agree with at least 70% of what was said here As i see it, the 3 main things that hurt balance the most are passives, hard CCs and basic power scaling in elite specs. I tried something with one of my mesmer friends- we stood in a custom arena and they let me AA them while they stood still. For god’s sake, i got damaged down to 75% HP, stunned, dazed and ambushed by clones by only AAing them… not to mention that they got auto stealthed periodically while generating clones like no tomorrow. Ok, this is mesmer. What about revs? (Even just core, i don’t even wanna start talking about glint…) and engies? (Especially the invuln elixir) the amount of passives is just insane, to the point that the build can carry the player. This shouldn’t exist, imo. Yes, i know i would suffer from having less passives because i’m a pretty average~ PvPer, but i think it is just not healthy for the game.

in almost 3 years of playing this game i saw backstab hitting for 10k+ only once… which was in wvw, from full zerker signet thief

avg backstab hits for 3k in pvp FYI

hs hitting for 8k? in which game?

backstab does have CD, it is bound to stealth and stealth is not free, not to mention there is such thing as revealed

Syde.5961:

I don’t see anything wrong with you queuing against a diamond as a ruby. It’s only 1 division above you…When I was a diamond I queued against legends every other game…

yeah such matches tho lol

Impact.2780:

Lordrosicky.5813:

The balance patch will make things worse not better. Wait and see.

It will just be more buffs to things like passive procs. Maybe now you get all 6 trait lines! Hurray. And probably be some other change like. Now you can’t move in HOTM whilst you queue. Or they removed ranks.

lol

Oh I’m all too familiar with how they have balanced in the past. I main thief, after all.

I’m hoping for a pleasant surprise while preparing myself for something typical like…
- Back stab: Reduced damage by 20%
- Vault: Reduced damage by 33%
- Infiltrator’s Strike: Immobilise duration increased by 0.25s
- Infiltrator’s Return: This skill has been removed
- Reveal: Changed to 3s and is no longer split in PvP and PvE/WvW
- Black Powder: This skill no longer produces a smoke field
- Bountiful Theft: Vigor from this trait has been removed
- Daredevil: Now gives 2 extra endurance bar segments instead of 1
- Last Refuge: This trait has been made BASELINE.

Bug fixes:
- Fixed a bug that made warrior appear in the game. Warrior was given a complete rework and renamed to revenant with the launch of Guild Wars 2 Heart of Thorns

Maleikz.8290:

Normally getting fixed with tommorrow’s update

you mean march update lol

Amhara.8395:

But don’t worry we added stealth to Revenant with healing inbuilt already.

and increased scrapper dmg by 50%
also gyro can stealth itself now

Ragnarox.9601:

Arctarius.2649:

…snip…

Cause you are comparing apples and oranges….I don’t uderstand this type of threads “why backstab only do 10k dmg and not giving some utility”, “why thief shortbow only have escape stuff and no dmg” “why are we so bad”. I’ve seen some pretty good thieves out there.

Guess what, guardian have sword, hammer, scepter that have worse problems than your shortbow…

What are you scared of? If hammer is “balanced” then they won’t touch it :>

Ragnarox.9601:

Cynz.9437:

Ragnarox.9601:

Wait wha? You are crying bout scrapper hammer dmg? You thieves have nothing to do?right?

If anything you should whine about revenant dmg + condi, chrono survival and dmg, necro invincibility + dmg, dh traps and dmg, druid dmg + heals + pets, tempest survival + dmg…

revs are at least killable
chrono bunker doesn’t do much dmg
i found necro actually easiest target to kill as thief
druid pets are broken, period
tempest does ok dmg

scrapper on other hand…… really high dmg, really high survival…

Cmon, scrappers dont have high dmg, they have high sustain and they just hard counter stealth classes (especially thieves) with aoe reval plus stealth. Thieves can’t and shouldn’t be able to beat or own anyone. Like DH can’t beat tempests or revenant or reaper. You cant have it all.

yeaaah rrright tell that to hammer dmg that takes almost my entire HP bar in 1 cast

Ragnarox.9601:

Wait wha? You are crying bout scrapper hammer dmg? You thieves have nothing to do?right?

If anything you should whine about revenant dmg + condi, chrono survival and dmg, necro invincibility + dmg, dh traps and dmg, druid dmg + heals + pets, tempest survival + dmg…

revs are at least killable
chrono bunker doesn’t do much dmg
i found necro actually easiest target to kill as thief
druid pets are broken, period
tempest does ok dmg

scrapper on other hand…… really high dmg, really high survival…

+1 i would love to hear some explanation to this design decision

none

/15 charrs

I don’t mind self reveal, it is kind of necessary. Reveal applied by other classes is straight out moronic implementation given how much aoe is already flying around.

Nah, Grouch just wants to win games.

Sendra.5709:

I have often experienced people exploiting the pvp league system by teaming up with lower rank players to lower their MMR. Because of this, if you lose to them (which you likely will, it’s more skilled players trying to get up against lower skilled ones) you end up losing up to three pips, usually two. This is due to them having a lower MMR from their amber buddies and so they are calculated less likely to win by the match making algarithum. But when you lose two pips, they gain two, making them want to do this more and more. And this isn’t simply people “playing with lower ranked friends”, these are people teaming up with players with names insinuating that they are there specifically to help exploit for pips. (I won’t name any due to call-out rules)
While I realize this exploit is being fixed in the next season, I feel that those who have abused this in the current season should have this behavior punished.
Has anyone else come across groups like this?

Yeah they are common and even advertise in map chat.

Anet has no interest in punishing those players (nor players that tanked mmr down on purpose), from what i understood.

I honestly think it depends a lot on map, on player but also weither team can rotate around thief. I had plenty of games where i went to decap far and had 2-3 enemies chasing me for half of the match around the node while my team wiped the rest of them. Not to mention thieves are pretty good at stealing beasts – i won quite few games that my team was ment to lose thanks to clutch beast steals (got 2-3 pips for that).

+1 is also such a thing: yea you could get a bunker 1 + you but if you are fighting a druid or tempest it would take you ages to kill them if ever. A decent thief/war can murder them pretty fast if they know how to use the opportunity window.

Azukas.1426:

Cynz.9437:

tbh if all this insta rez wasn’t in game thief would be more viable i think

i down people a lot, i just can’t stomp them fast enough not to mention that cleave is often useless (see mes, dh, ele, scrapper etc.)

The new elite was supposed to solve this, but I hardly see any thief actually bypassing the downed state with it.

The cast is just too long, can be easily countered by CCs, stealth, quickness not to mention it locks thief in long animation in mid of all the aoe spam. Scrapper gyro on other hand is so much better -_-

Sarrs.4831:

Serious Thought.5394:

Mesmer: YES YES YES YES YES!
Everyone else: NO NO NO NO NO NO!

I think thieves would actually appreciate it especially with the new Pulmonary Impact trait.

not really, because in big picture we would just have bunkers dealing even more dmg – thief’s worst nightmare

Do we really want to know with which “amazing” balancing ideas they came up this time?

tbh if all this insta rez wasn’t in game thief would be more viable i think

i down people a lot, i just can’t stomp them fast enough not to mention that cleave is often useless (see mes, dh, ele, scrapper etc.)

Skittledness.5106:

You plebs don’t realize how stupid you are. Healing turrets synergy with the inventions trait line is what makes a scrapers op.
Also the DMG is fine…..after all their wearing marauders amulet:/

you serious? hammer spells do backstab dmg w/o investment while giving extra really good utility

Die hard vanilla dp here:
- i don’t like daredevil at all, it is just acro remake, i am not fan of evade builds, i prefer versatile dp build
- ironically on dp i had easier times killing DD than on any other class

oh god please no…

So as far as i understood there will be no punishment for exploiting this season ( amber shopping, mmr tanking on purpose, etc., see dev post) so players that didn’t exploit are the stupid ones right now. Should we just assume that if players find another way to exploit next season we can just do it w/o fearing to get banned just like in season 1? Great perspective~

sinject.4607:

well i’d like to see Scrappers absurd hammer damage coeffecients gone for good too.

Scrapper has MULTIPLE attacks on hammer that either have higher coefficients/damage than backstab or just around the same as backstab, and they all do something defensively as well. here’s a comaparison:

Backstab (something you have to enter stealth to access, then carefully position yourself to land for full damage, and only does damage; nothing else):
Front damage: 403 (1.2)?
Back damage: 806 (2.4)

and now scrapper’s hammer:

Electro-Whirl (6sec CD)
Damage (2x): 888 (2.2)?
Number of Impacts: 2
Number of Targets: 3
Radius: 180
Reflect Missiles
Combo Finisher: Whirl

Rocket Charge
Damage (3x): 1,212 (3.0)?
Number of Impacts: 3
Number of Targets: 5
Radius: 240
Combo Finisher: Leap
Evade: 1s
Range: 1,000

Shock Shield
Damage (5x): 1,010 (2.5)?
10 Vulnerability (5s): 10% Incoming Damage, 10% Incoming Condition Damage
Number of Targets: 5
Block Duration: 2s
Range: 170

Thunderclap
Damage (6x): 1,452 (3.6)?
Vulnerability (8s): 1% Incoming Damage, 1% Incoming Condition Damage
Stun: 1s
Pulses: 6
Interval: 1s
Radius: 240
Combo Field: Lightning
Range: 1,200

why is any of this, at any point, ok? who let this through the development process? why were skills with ridiculous utility also given ridiculous damage while weapons like Thief’s shortbow only offer passable utility at a steep cost of damage?

Thanks for posting this, i wanted to make post about this as well.

Also so much this!!!! -> why is any of this, at any point, ok? who let this through the development process? why were skills with ridiculous utility also given ridiculous damage while weapons like Thief’s shortbow only offer passable utility at a steep cost of damage?

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if reason for it would be Grouch~

They forgot it, just like they forgot to reset mmr :P

Firebird.8324:

HOLD THE PHONE, you have a GOLDEN opportunity to make money. Simply stay on teef until the game game starts and tell people that you will take 5g from at least 2 people to switch to a rev. You will be swimming on gold in no time bud .

omg you are genius

remember when jewels existed…..

Yargesh.4965:

just by the waypoint to the priory at the head of the corridor is a NPC that will let you into the area and you can access the office.

actually no, the door doesn’t give option to enter the office

i did work it out on other character, but basically one of my characters is in priority, she can’t enter office for w/e reason

I can only enter instance as priority member. And even if i enter it i can’t access the office – the door simply doesn’t give option to open it. How are you supposed to get the trap?

I can only enter instance as priority member. And even if i enter it i can’t access the office. How are you suppose to get the trap?

edit: after some research apprently you can enter office only during certain episode of the personal story, if you already completed it you can’t enter the office anymore…. wth?

Rukia.9860:

Cynz.9437:

Warhawk.7095:

^ pretty sure the developers have abandoned this class/forum section and will never see it or care.

this is too true lol

i am out of here once bns is live xD

I’ve played BnS, the 1v1 pvp is far beyond GW2 but the pve is meh, which is ok it will be my main pvp game but don’t expect anything more ;p

GW2 may still have its place once the balance fiasco from the xpac is over with. I work a lot so GW has always been my go-to game for casual but serious play since GW1, can’t really do that in other MMOS.

yeah idc about pve much, i just want decent pvp and nice looks, that game has both

Warhawk.7095:

^ pretty sure the developers have abandoned this class/forum section and will never see it or care.

this is too true lol

i am out of here once bns is live xD

Is he asking to buff druids?

chibbi.3706:

Because you think warriors players don’t get harassed ?

I get asked to reroll litterally 3 out of 4 games. Just tell them to kitten off or block them and prove them wrong. Those people actually motivates me to keep playing my warrior.

And btw

YOU (Anet) ruined the class, […] Instead all i see is more nerfs (since HoT) and people that harassed me are still playing.

Sounds like complaining to me.

you are welcome to make thread for warriors… i personally yet have to see anyone cry rivers about having warrior on team though

ofc i am not happy, anets crappy balancing is direct cause of the player griefing in game right now

chibbi.3706:

Man, why do we hear thief players complaining so much when there are 2 other classes that are worse than thief.

another person that is incapable of reading

Sorel.4870:

They said they were going to discuss balance next week. Do you expect an answer prior to that or did you post a thread for the sake of having your daily online rant?

did you even read my post?

StickerHappy.8052:

foste.3098:

StickerHappy.8052:

I appreciate all the posts.

But still the verdict stands, how come those two players I mentioned can play their class really well, amidst all these weaknesses you mentioned?

Really well to the point they can dominate matches.

With their performance, I could barely see some of the stuff you guys mentioned here.

Like i said idk who those 2 are or if they play solo, but there is a simple way to find out why we all wrote the above and how it all works (falls apart). You know what it is, all it takes is a non-occupied character slot.

Sindernerr plays for Orange Logo.

Don’t get me wrong, I can’t play thief really well, it is the least class I played with Rev.

Im just wondering is the issue more of like “A get good issue” meaning, it could be there just a lot of bad thieves?

Again, I am not saying thieves do not need tweaks/buffs etc.

does sind ever q alone?

Tbh given how Anet designed guard pull reliably, fixed engi pull but somehow ignored thief pull, never added 10% healing to withdraw it is save to assume: they don’t give a flying kitten about thief class. Barriers not hitting you whilst using shs? Keep dreaming. Anet would rather delete this class apprently than help it.

Mech.4679:

Almost threw my pc out of the window while reading this.

I will just consider this as a troll post.

On the troll train: mesmer portal also needs to get reworked.. because If you portal and there are some damage barriers in between the portals, you should also take damage.

did you even read what OP wrote?

Really, if you gonna nerf class (thief) to oblivion or/and buff everything else to the point where thief is a joke in comparison at least make sure you bann players verbally harassing thief players. I am sick at tired of having ppl telling me to quit, uninstall, reroll, call me names, report me for botting and spam me with crap messages if we lost game just because i play thief.

YOU (Anet) ruined the class, YOU suppose to make sure that players at least don’t get harassed in game WHICH you are NOT doing. Instead all i see is more nerfs (since HoT) and people that harassed me are still playing. Instead of wasting time on forums, banning people for harmless posts or spamming reddit about muffins why don’t you actually do some job ban people for verbal abuse. Thanks.

P.S. Oh and i dare mods to bann me for this thread, this would mean they support player harassment.

kdaddy.5431:

Maybe you could run a power build?

yeah tell that to backstab dealing literary 50 dmg to eles~
back to topic: i am ok with ele healing, i am not ok the way DS is implemented nor amount of defensives they have~

Tomiyou.3790:

Cynz.9437:

nah the 50% w/l algorith is still in game

No, I wasn’t questioning 50% win/lose. Aren’t I suppose to be matched with players of equal time, skill put in the game, not new players?

it should but it doesn’t