Guild Wars 2

Sunshine.5014:

Cynz.9437:

Every character has its own mmr, just saying~

And it’s disabled, just saying~

No it is not apparently, i am sitting in diamond right now, decided to do prof achive on classes i barely play (and not so good at) and that have like 0 mmr probably. The matches are stupidly easy compared to ridiculous odds i get on my main(thief).

Every character has its own mmr, just saying~

Kevin.4209:

I totally agree and have thought the same thing, the GS auto at the very least needs it’s aftercast removed, I’d even argue for shatter mes to get the thief treatment and have sword auto dmg buffed as well.

If mes GS dmg gets increase then the range on it should be reduced to melee. Same treatment!

Galandil.9641:

The 4 non-thieves players should have all rerolled to thief.

yeah i think it would be most fun match since hot went live~

Jace al Thor.6745:

Cynz.9437:

Mesmer burst more than fine, they were already extremely strong pre HoT. Also, taking current meta into consideration is stupid because every class will change and bunker meta generally will be toned down by a lot due to amulet removal. I honestly wouldn#t be surprised if mesmer ends up stun lock nuking everyone left and right again, like pre HoT.

Also, why would mesmer need sustain? They have invuls/stealth/blocks/blurr/CC spam – plenty of tools to set up another burst.

I don’t think anyone is really complaining about Mesmer burst. And they probably won’t be stunning locking because A) a good portion will leave to go back to whatever the new fotm build is(not a Mesmer build), those that main it hardcore will go back to shatter and be ate alive by the same thieves that kept all but a small handful of players with teams built around them out of the meta, C) those that play casually for fun will do what they like stay stuck in Amber-Sapphire and probably not progress much higher.

The same could be said about a thief though. Would you want your class to only be limited to a veil bot in WvW, boon bot in PvE, and bunker in the current meta with the potential of not being in the meta at all next week?
And thief has had a better track record until recently of staying in the meta because they keep zerker builds out and have high mobility. Mesmer? Not so much because they get pushed out.
A sustained dps buff would offer other build variety than just shatter. But so would cleave/AoE reduction on illusions(my choice), making non-stealth condi build viable in higher tier play, etc

1. thief is not wanted in wvw, at all right now
2. not wanted in pve, at all right now
3. not wanted in pvp at all right now
4. thief had same + 1 role since begin of time and was nerfed pretty much every single patch because they sometimes did more than 1+
5. i have been verbally harassed almost every single match since HoT went live simply for playing the class (and anet didn’t bann any of the players i reported)

Have you seen me begging for sustain anywhere? Frankly i am even puzzled why anet increased thief AA dmg. Thieves need more reliable ways to land their burst and maybe live bit longer in aoe/cc spam but they definitely do not that much more dmg.

Mesmers and thieves always filled similar roles, mesmer is assassin, giving them sustain would make they too good. Look at bunker mes, they are one of the main reasons why this meta is so unenjoyable.

All is vain~

/15 charrs

Must be thief daily

Idk about other players but for me: i hate this meta not mainly because my main class is not doing so well (thief) but frankly because meta itself atm is extremely boring, slow paced and there is 0 skill involved. Even if you win matches/fights you don’t feel like you actually accomplished anything or won.

Clearly, in some metas some classes will be stronger than others but atm it is just massive bunker snooze fest and i personally don’t find it any enjoyable.

I use SoF on sb in pvp, procs fine for me~

Mesmer burst is more than fine, they were already extremely strong pre HoT. Also, taking current meta into consideration is stupid because every class will change and bunker meta generally will be toned down by a lot due to amulet removal. I honestly wouldn#t be surprised if mesmer ends up stun lock nuking everyone left and right again, like pre HoT.

Also, why would mesmer need sustain? They have invuls/stealth/blocks/blurr/CC spam – plenty of tools to set up another burst.

LOL similar thing happend to me in clocktower: i got ported inside the undesctructible boxes upon using steal and other time got knocked inside the floor next to capture point by treb :|

lighter.2708:

because stealth is op?

why give it to classes that are already really strong?

just a side note, gyro can be casted whil stunned, refuge- not~

OP, that’s normal. Facing players 1 tier above you is ok . I have been fighting mix of diamonds/legendary/ruby through entire ruby division~

Thing is leagues are a joke, a grind fest and got widely exploited. There are a lot of people in diamond/legendary that wouldn’t even leave 50% on old leaderboards (before it turned to farmboards).

Serious Thought.5394:

So, would you like to know why Thief more than likely (and I mean it is beyond unlikely) will not be op kitten? I highly doubt it will be broken, and if its moderately ok we will get hot nerfed faster than anyone can finish the balance patch.

this^^ given the 3 years of experience with anet balancing attempts<cringe>

Chapell.1346:

Poor thief, never been viable cos people think every other class/profession can do it better despite being brokenly overpowered.

yeah they are so brokenly overpowered, they weren’t able to 1v1 any class for over a year now~

old vashioned da/sa/tr dp thief :>

soloq 99% obviously, since nobody in their right mind would play with me right now~
1% were… rather strange exceptions~

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

One word: powercreep.

I really don’t understand stealth gyro implementation. Engis/scrappers got plenty of tools for survival/dmg set up, giving them stealth gyro on short CD with multifunctions is overkill and frankly worst case of class favoritism i saw in any game.

Class favoritism……lol. Yeah, Anet loves Engineers so much that they put so much work into making sure the class works great. Let’s all forget about Turrets being completely destroyed, gadgets having always been subpar, the new Gyros being yet another AI utility that of course has it’s own set of bugs and complications. But hey, at least for turrets we have healing turret, gadgets have slick shoes, and gyros have sneak gyro, right?

Look, Engineers have no more favoritism than any other profession, that is just ignorant thinking. Yeah, Sneak Gyro cooldown was way too low, literally everyone knew this already and we were all just waiting for Anet to increase the cooldown. But to think that other classes having any amount of stealth or reveals somehow invalidates Thieves, well that is just completely ridiculous. I mean, you guys are just desperately looking for something to whine about at this point. :-P

engi spotted~

Seems someone doesn’t like my comments. Anyways, as I try to say before, I’m a Necro player. Sorry to dissapoint. If you want to complain about something, use legitimate statements and not baseless assumptions, because that just weakens your argument.

Hope that doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings this time, I love you all equally. ;-P

Should i forward you to engi class wiki with trait and spells info?

Just because I don’t main an Engi doesn’t make me unfamiliar with them. My opinions are just unbiased is all. Claiming Anet is showing Engis favoritism is a baseless accusation that makes it hard to take anything you say seriously. So to clear up your misconception, I provided you withk knowledge you appeared to lack in order to show you that Engineers are just like any other class out there.

Oh you want facts? OK.

The infamous bugged engi pull works pretty much like scorpion wire. Anet did fix engi pull but didn’t touch thief wire os it remains bugged.

Stealth gyro is mobile refuge, on lower CD than refuge, having multiple functionality, INSTANT.

Oh no, engis have few spells that are not brokenly op. Guess what, a lot of classes are in way worse state than this. Some were forced into same utilities for years because everything else just sucks.

Those are not facts that show Anet favors Engineers though, those are facts taken out of context to support a biased opinion. Shadow Refuge is also instant. Sneak Gyro follows the Scrapper around when it doesn’t bug out on terrain, providing huge counter play. The issues with Scrapper have been identified and Anet already announced they are addressing these issues with the next balance patch, which will include doubling the cooldown on Sneak Gyro and nerfing some of the Scrapper’s survivability. The very same patch in which they plan on buffing Thieves in fact. As for being locked into certain utilities because othe utilities are just plain bad, the Engineer has been in that boat for a long time as well. As for other classes being worse off, hello, Necro player here. Have any idea how long it was for us trying to get into dungeons and fractals only to see “No Necros or Rangers allowed” all the time. Or how long Necros spent being unviable in various pvp metas?

Of course there are aspects about the Scrapper that have been unbalanced, just like every other elite spec out there that has been either under or over powered.

None of this provides any proof whatsoever that Anet favors class X or hates class Y. All of that is baseless accusations used in weak arguments when people get upset.

refuge is not instant….

refuge also doesn’t move around, it is static, even stupid MOVING AI is still better than stationary field

some nerfs to scrapper survival? which are? they actually gave them some buffs outside of gyro CD increase….

Actually you didn’t bring any good arguments why dp is holding thief back. It is just your assumptions. I can say however for fact what i heard from devs from their stream that they think thief is strong due to mobility. Frankly by that logic sb5, shadowstep, inf signet, sword 2, heartseeker etc. should be nerfed to oblivion. The joke is, this class is already pretty much dead, i don’t think remaining thief community could take another 6-12 months of being absolutely useless, hated, harassed and unwanted in all 3 game modes in hopes that by some chance Anet would suddenly get enlightenment and fix this class properly. Bring me argument against it. Go for it.

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

One word: powercreep.

I really don’t understand stealth gyro implementation. Engis/scrappers got plenty of tools for survival/dmg set up, giving them stealth gyro on short CD with multifunctions is overkill and frankly worst case of class favoritism i saw in any game.

Class favoritism……lol. Yeah, Anet loves Engineers so much that they put so much work into making sure the class works great. Let’s all forget about Turrets being completely destroyed, gadgets having always been subpar, the new Gyros being yet another AI utility that of course has it’s own set of bugs and complications. But hey, at least for turrets we have healing turret, gadgets have slick shoes, and gyros have sneak gyro, right?

Look, Engineers have no more favoritism than any other profession, that is just ignorant thinking. Yeah, Sneak Gyro cooldown was way too low, literally everyone knew this already and we were all just waiting for Anet to increase the cooldown. But to think that other classes having any amount of stealth or reveals somehow invalidates Thieves, well that is just completely ridiculous. I mean, you guys are just desperately looking for something to whine about at this point. :-P

engi spotted~

Seems someone doesn’t like my comments. Anyways, as I try to say before, I’m a Necro player. Sorry to dissapoint. If you want to complain about something, use legitimate statements and not baseless assumptions, because that just weakens your argument.

Hope that doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings this time, I love you all equally. ;-P

Should i forward you to engi class wiki with trait and spells info?

Just because I don’t main an Engi doesn’t make me unfamiliar with them. My opinions are just unbiased is all. Claiming Anet is showing Engis favoritism is a baseless accusation that makes it hard to take anything you say seriously. So to clear up your misconception, I provided you withk knowledge you appeared to lack in order to show you that Engineers are just like any other class out there.

Oh you want facts? OK.

The infamous bugged engi pull works pretty much like scorpion wire. Anet did fix engi pull but didn’t touch thief wire so it remains bugged.

Stealth gyro is mobile refuge, on lower CD than refuge, having multiple functionality, INSTANT.

Oh no, engis have few spells that are not brokenly op. Guess what, a lot of classes are in way worse state than this. Some were forced into same utilities for years because everything else just sucks.

Jana.6831:

Cynz.9437:

Jana.6831:

Cynz.9437:

go play vs esl teams

Go play wvw – besides if I were into cheesy mode D/P thief it wouldn’t be any problem, I guess – but I don’t like that weaponset.

i did….

hahah cheesy mode dp, never actually played vs good teams and calls dp cheesy… new low reached~

haha, never really played wvw but calls wvw builds which have a ten times more diversity than pvp cheese haha.
How old are you? 12?

I used to spent my entire play time in wvw, at some point i simply realized that pvp is more fun and more skill based, that is it. Cheese has nothing to do with diversity. You just have builds there that rely on gimmicks, gear disparity, broken runes/sigils, food, buffs that you won’t find anywhere in pvp, hiding behind zerg, cnd off NPCs and critters, spamming killshot from tower etc.

You actually know very well how old i am.

Oh and sure let’s judge entire pvp community by one duel i had (which i did say i didn’t want to participate in because of infamous german lag). Still doesn’t change the fact you didn’t play vs good teams, you didn’t play in tourneys, you don’t know how it is to play “cheesy” dp vs good opponents and not some uplv spamming 1. You have no right to judge the set, period.

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

One word: powercreep.

I really don’t understand stealth gyro implementation. Engis/scrappers got plenty of tools for survival/dmg set up, giving them stealth gyro on short CD with multifunctions is overkill and frankly worst case of class favoritism i saw in any game.

Class favoritism……lol. Yeah, Anet loves Engineers so much that they put so much work into making sure the class works great. Let’s all forget about Turrets being completely destroyed, gadgets having always been subpar, the new Gyros being yet another AI utility that of course has it’s own set of bugs and complications. But hey, at least for turrets we have healing turret, gadgets have slick shoes, and gyros have sneak gyro, right?

Look, Engineers have no more favoritism than any other profession, that is just ignorant thinking. Yeah, Sneak Gyro cooldown was way too low, literally everyone knew this already and we were all just waiting for Anet to increase the cooldown. But to think that other classes having any amount of stealth or reveals somehow invalidates Thieves, well that is just completely ridiculous. I mean, you guys are just desperately looking for something to whine about at this point. :-P

engi spotted~

Seems someone doesn’t like my comments. Anyways, as I try to say before, I’m a Necro player. Sorry to dissapoint. If you want to complain about something, use legitimate statements and not baseless assumptions, because that just weakens your argument.

Hope that doesn’t hurt anyone’s feelings this time, I love you all equally. ;-P

Should i forward you to engi class wiki with trait and spells info?

Jana.6831:

Cynz.9437:

go play vs esl teams

Go play wvw – besides if I were into cheesy mode D/P thief it wouldn’t be any problem, I guess – but I don’t like that weaponset.

i did….

hahaha “cheesy mode dp”, never actually played vs good teams and calls dp cheesy… oh my sides~

Jana.6831:

Thank you, Sir Vincent – and Cynz: It’s enough – bring arguments as to why I’m wrong and don’t attack the game mode you know I’m playing – no matter whether or not anet cares for it – it’s still there.

ETA: Before June I used to pvp sometimes with my friends – well anet brought an higher “evade without evades” frame into the game last february – it’s really hard to hit anyone since then. Since most people use gap closers or aoe anyway most people probably didn’t notice – I doubt it is just me. So it might have been before that when we were in ranked and I held 4 <—!! on one point for 5 minutes – as a scrubby wvw solo roamer D/D thief. Don’t try that in wvw. (Although I did that there too – solo against 6 – wasn’t able to stomp them and they came running back but I kept them occupied for 15 mins and they were unable to cap my camp)-

go play vs esl teams or anything decent that isn’t exactly HJ hero

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Cynz.9437:

…and THIS^^ is why Jana and you are wrong. You talk from wvw view. Game is not balanced around wvw and never will be (besides some absurd exploits and such).

This is where you’re wrong.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Balance itself is an iterative process and our work will be ongoing. We’re taking a hard look at the ways players are experiencing content across the game (raids, fractals, open world, PvP, and WvW) and we’ll be making adjustments accordingly.

Don’t want to offend anyone but it is fact that majority of players wvw wouldn’t last a second in pvp vs half decent opponents. It is ridicilously wrong trying to balance spells around killing rather unskilled unexperienced players from wvw.

I think the opposite is actually what’s happening. A PvP player is the inexperienced players in WvW who get stomped within a second because they have no idea what they’re doing and not aware that the big boulder falling on their head will one shot them. Also these are the inexperienced players who stands on fire, volley of arrows, and poisoned cow carcasses. PvP players simply have no idea on how WvW works.

However, WvW players are more experienced when it comes to PvP because not only they have to think about 5 enemy players, they also have to think about the whole zerg, so 5 enemies are nothing compare to zerg.

But who knows who’s right or wrong? In my experience, PvP players are bad WvW players.

.. and i had opposite experience. I used to be wvw player, i joined really good roaming guild back then and one of their rule was to practice in pvp weekly to improve our skill level. They really got me into pvp and i did become much better player thanks to pvp and had much easier times kill people in wvw.

Surely, a pvp player that came to wvw for the first time would be surprised by all the food buffs and cheese crap people run there but it would take 1 death for a decent one to figure out what he is fighting.

Shaogin.2679:

Cynz.9437:

One word: powercreep.

I really don’t understand stealth gyro implementation. Engis/scrappers got plenty of tools for survival/dmg set up, giving them stealth gyro on short CD with multifunctions is overkill and frankly worst case of class favoritism i saw in any game.

Class favoritism……lol. Yeah, Anet loves Engineers so much that they put so much work into making sure the class works great. Let’s all forget about Turrets being completely destroyed, gadgets having always been subpar, the new Gyros being yet another AI utility that of course has it’s own set of bugs and complications. But hey, at least for turrets we have healing turret, gadgets have slick shoes, and gyros have sneak gyro, right?

Look, Engineers have no more favoritism than any other profession, that is just ignorant thinking. Yeah, Sneak Gyro cooldown was way too low, literally everyone knew this already and we were all just waiting for Anet to increase the cooldown. But to think that other classes having any amount of stealth or reveals somehow invalidates Thieves, well that is just completely ridiculous. I mean, you guys are just desperately looking for something to whine about at this point. :-P

engi spotted~

Thiefz.3695:

I play guardian and engi mostly. Do you know what this is going to do for my burning burst builds? I"LL BE META FOR ONCE!

there were some burn guards pre hot in tourneys~
condi engi was a thing before celestial amy became must have

…and THIS^^ is why Jana and you are wrong. You talk from wvw view. Game is not balanced around wvw and never will be (besides some absurd exploits and such). Don’t want to offend anyone but it is fact that majority of players wvw wouldn’t last a second in pvp vs half decent opponents. It is ridicilously wrong trying to balance spells around killing rather unskilled unexperienced players from wvw.

In wvw you can also get away extremely easily since killing thief is not main objective of this game mode nor you have to hold any points solo. PvP on other hand is all about teamplay, holding points and focused killing of the enemy. Thief is usually Nr. 1 target for any organized team. Wasting ini in such games gets you killed really fast there.

Don’t believe me? Go do some tournaments.

Dagins.5163:

Win while having 2 thieves in team —> Okay, cool.
Lose while having 2 thieves in team -> Write about it on forum.

Also:
Player X did something wrong while playing a meta class/build -> Nevermind.
Player X did something wrong while playing a thief -> Bully them and complain on chat.

just gonna leave this here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Multi-thief-teams/first#post5934607

One word: powercreep.

I really don’t understand stealth gyro implementation. Engis/scrappers got plenty of tools for survival/dmg set up, giving them stealth gyro on short CD with multifunctions is overkill and frankly worst case of class favoritism i saw in any game.

I never look at keybinds unless i play new class. Usually it takes few days to get used to it and have no need to look at keys/spells. Then again i had similar keybinds since….2007ish? in every game i played (for example backstab kind of spells were always S, dodge similar spells on F etc.)

Revolutionen.5693:

“I actually hate getting win streaks, because I can only imagine how it makes my MMR skyrocked until i get paired up with ppl running off point and dying by the NPC’s. That algorithm will do anything to get me down to 50% again”….

could sing about it lol

babazhook.6805:

Shadow Shot over shadow strikealso has that blind and is unblockable. Great chase down skill. Someone near death and running this kills more often than not.

only teleport part is unblockable

Suuuure, only if vault dmg gets cut by 70%~

Are you qing for SH by chance?

BannokFace.8264:

Cynz.9437:

BannokFace.8264:

So I bought GW2 at launch and played it for like 2 days before putting it down. To be honest, the only reason why I put the game down was because I was already running a guild in SW:TOR and was fairly committed to that game. However, I recently picked GW2 back up after bouncing back and fourth from WoW and SW:TOR. I have to commend the dev team over hear at areananet. I am absolutely loving this game, I play strictly PVP and have been a pvp player in ever mmo that I have played.

The thing that bugs me is today’s generation of spoiled MMO gamers. Coming from a pvp perspective, GW2 offers gamers one of the best PvP experiences you can get in an MMO. Yet, when I come to the forums for tips and whatnot, all i see is moaning and complaining. And most of the complaints are not even valid.

I understand that the forums if a place where people come to give suggestions and ideas about how to make the game better. But, the truth here is that every time
I come to the forums I feel like I’m wasting my time playing some trash mmo. At least that is how GW2 forum community makes it seem. Thats the end of my little rant, I just wish people would be a little more accepting of the game that the developers have created, BECAUSE IT IS AWESOME!

This game WAS amazing, it had probably best combat system, decent pvp balance, it lacked proper pvp system but it was still fun. Hot completely butchered all of it. Players got tired after 3 years and are not happy seeing their favorite game being completely destroyed due to dubious marketing strategies. You haven’t been there, you don’t know what really happend. I do not think you have any right to judge all players that have all the right to complain right now, imo. We all paid 50 euro so anet could kill our favorite game.

This is where your wrong. It’s not your game. It’s ArenaNet’s.

Where did i say it is my game? I said our favorite game…… l2read?

BannokFace.8264:

So I bought GW2 at launch and played it for like 2 days before putting it down. To be honest, the only reason why I put the game down was because I was already running a guild in SW:TOR and was fairly committed to that game. However, I recently picked GW2 back up after bouncing back and fourth from WoW and SW:TOR. I have to commend the dev team over hear at areananet. I am absolutely loving this game, I play strictly PVP and have been a pvp player in ever mmo that I have played.

The thing that bugs me is today’s generation of spoiled MMO gamers. Coming from a pvp perspective, GW2 offers gamers one of the best PvP experiences you can get in an MMO. Yet, when I come to the forums for tips and whatnot, all i see is moaning and complaining. And most of the complaints are not even valid.

I understand that the forums if a place where people come to give suggestions and ideas about how to make the game better. But, the truth here is that every time
I come to the forums I feel like I’m wasting my time playing some trash mmo. At least that is how GW2 forum community makes it seem. Thats the end of my little rant, I just wish people would be a little more accepting of the game that the developers have created, BECAUSE IT IS AWESOME!

This game WAS amazing, it had probably best combat system, decent pvp balance, it lacked proper pvp system but it was still fun. Hot completely butchered all of it. Players got tired after 3 years and are not happy seeing their favorite game being completely destroyed due to dubious marketing strategies. You haven’t been there, you don’t know what really happend. I do not think you have any right to judge all players that have all the right to complain right now, imo. We all paid 50 euro so anet could kill our favorite game. I could also make a huge rant about how many lies we were told by the company and how much opposite their actions were (example: they didn’t reset mmr begin of season even though they promised it,, it caused a lot of issues and exploiting).

Anything that would help to kill boredom in HotM qs is welcome.

Dear diary, per usual i logged in to do daily for backpack, per usual people asked us to reroll to something that is not thief, per usual we won and people thanked us

It is fact that system tries to force you into 50% win ratio by placing you into matches you are not supposed to win if you have too high win rate. I couldn’t care less about leagues at this point but what REALLY annoys me and always did is that those matches are waste of time. You sit in queue unable to do anything due to restriction to HotM, then you get placed in matches that are have to play (otherwise punishment system kicks in) but not supposed to win. Let’t assume player A only does pvp. The system literary fills 40% of his play time with terrible experience and another 20% with afking in hotm.

Absolutely lopsided matches are too frequent and no fun to either sides. At least not for me: i obvioulsy don’t like to lose 100-500 but i also hate matches where we literary farm enemy team at spawn.

Yeah i am not quite sure if S/x needed better dps on AA (or d/x for that matter). WTB more ways of landing dmg and deal with aoe/CC than plain damage buffs that will get this class nerfed within a month.

Inb4 anet nerfs half of other traits and spells as… compromise~

Spartacus.3192:

Padd.1479:

I really hope not all those people who complained about thief and switched classes come back now… Wouldnt like matches full of thieves at all.

I’ll give you one guess what all those Eles and Mesmers are gonna reroll to…..

yeah then they realize scrapper left pretty much untouched and reroll engis

Thief been guard fodder for ages, 1 unblockable attack won’t change it. Then we have scrappers and revs with low CD reveal which absolute hardcounter that you can’t do anything about (besides clutch dodge in mids of visual cluster spam). Imagine thieves could prevent guards from healing and use of some spells for 6 sec on 20 sec CD? Yeah~ You really don’t have it THAT bad.

LOL had similar matches as well with 3 thieves on my team. Thing is: leagues are a joke thanks to the exploits and the fact that mmr was never reset.
To anyone that complains about thieves on team i just say: you guys cried for 3 years for thief nerfs, now eat the results <<< watching the rage after that is most fun thing to do in pvp atm.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Cynz.9437:

Give thieves own water field on short CD – bruiser thief that can hold points was born.

Steal from Rangers with Improvisation, and you’re set. Your water field will even cleanse five conditions over five seconds.

They actually had to add a cooldown to that Steal bundle because they felt it was too strong!

yeah…. the dream~

it would require a ranger nearbly every game tho xD

i wish i recorded lord defense thanks to stolen ranger heal and blast spam from sb

Like poster above me, started to pvp again during xmas (after long break) on vanilla dp (solo, since obviously nobody in their right mind wanted to play with me). Been in diamond for week now (not that i play much anymore since BnS is so much better and gw2 pvp just sucks). If i made it on non-elite thief, anyone can do it. Probably could have grinded to legend given enough time since leagues are just a grind if you are semi-decent.

Generally it is always the same: map rotation, defend points. Most of the loses come from bad map rotation, losing team fights, nobody ever defending what we have and feeding far and ironically spending too much time yelling at me for playing thief instead of actually playing the game….

I won a lot of games simply by perma decapping and rezzing teammates. I can also kill fairly well average DH, reapers and revs by myself. But i play thief, idk which class you play so this strategy might not work for you.

At the end, leagues don’t mean crap in this game atm. There were so much expoiting that legend/diamond is no better than amber in many cases. Just play the game for fun, rest comes by itself.

TheLastNobody.8319:

brannigan.9831:

We don’t even know how the changes will play out so its stupid to say x is op before we have even seen it in practice. We already know what is god mode right now though and its getting nerfed and rightfully so much to the sorrow of the op.

Given the past history with thieves and mesmers, combined with the buffs to thief with that unblockable and unbreakable stun, their greater access to stealth and their damage, along with the Mesmer nerfs, we can gleam enough to know that a Mesmer will be fodder for thieves. Even if a Mesmer stealths to try and heal up the theif will just stealth up himself and outlast the Mesmer, jumping on them the moment they reveal themselves.

Being masters of deception and illusion, I believe it would be fair if Mesmer got something that could allow it to see people in stealth similar to stealth detection, but only the Mesmer would see it and nobody else.

Thieves were fodder for guardians since begin of time. And engis for years now. Your point?

Forum bug does what forum bug does.

She wants shadowshot to get nerfed. I do not see how it is justified given thief state in pvp right now (and even after patch). Her idea of destroying thief completely for the sake of eventual rework (that will probably never come) is also silly because by the time devs actually come up with something and implement it, a lot of time would pass and most remaining thief players would quit this game.

Pray that DH is dumb enough to chase/follow you. If he doesn’t do it after you dodged through traps, just give up and go somewhere else.