I am here because i can and because i got nothing to do between relative short (thankfully) queues.
Touche.
Anyways I didn’t mean to imply they are all top level players that deserved it. Only that they do have at least some skill. Certainly above emerald. Although I totally forgot about SH (never play it)…was thinking conquest when I originally said that stuff…
You have no idea the people I’ve been paired with. Its been a nightmare. Like legit, deserve to be in amber players. And we’re facing the equivalent of diamond.
oh i do man, people stomping mesmer clones, not defending points, losing 2v1 fights etc. seen it all
I lost only 1 match since season started and i play alone. Not even meta build.
You don’t need premade to win games/have win streak at low divisions, imo.
Of course you don’t, thats what all the fuss is about….you were lucky in first 3-4 matches, now you’re carried up by been teamed with good players, whiel same skill guy in opposing team is been dragged down because he lost first 3-4 matches
yeahhh.. those good players fight off point, leave points undefended, get our points decapped literary under their nose…
i won’t deny i did get some good teammates sometimes but it is really not that often
if what you said was true then every match i had would be 500-30
last match I was on my necro, and other necro was killed so fast I could not believe, asked him what necklace he runs, he was a bit baffled why i ask about necklace, then put some ascended one in team chat.
Now he knows that separate pvp necklaces exist, and I have 1 more lost match
you mean amulet?
Sorry for my bad english…was that you without amulet in match?
oh let’s play game of assumptions
i assume that you played couple hundret/even thousand games less than me
Possibly…lets expand it further…did you beat Sacrx in any MMO?
Did you kill IRON map blob with 30 in 2s during wvw season?
(not that any of those matters…)
No idea who Sacrx is nor care. Why are we talking about wvw on pvp forums?
not really, last season you could make premade with certain builds and farm SH; even pve heroes could do it
So people formed PvP teams and …completed it…yea… What is it that makes people think a team invalidates skill? I guess all those ESL Pros are actually trash cause they play on teams huh.
So you got yours in like a a day or two of play riight? if its stupidly easy.
Why are you even here, this is totally off subject.
Given certain team comp, you didn’t actually need much skill to farm SH due to map mechanics.
I didn’t say ESL players were trash, don’t put words in my mouth for the sake of argument. But there are only so many of them and i highly doubt you face them every match. They are probably in sapphire/ruby by now.
I didn’t get mine in 2 days, i got rl, BF and a job, i did farm half of diamond in 1 day Stupidly easy meant, that season 1 leagues were just same old farmboards, amount of games mattered, skill not so much.
I am here because i can and because i got nothing to do between relative short (thankfully) queues.
last match I was on my necro, and other necro was killed so fast I could not believe, asked him what necklace he runs, he was a bit baffled why i ask about necklace, then put some ascended one in team chat.
Now he knows that separate pvp necklaces exist, and I have 1 more lost match
you mean amulet?
Sorry for my bad english…was that you without amulet in match?
oh let’s play game of assumptions
i assume that you played couple hundret/even thousand games less than me
last match I was on my necro, and other necro was killed so fast I could not believe, asked him what necklace he runs, he was a bit baffled why i ask about necklace, then put some ascended one in team chat.
Now he knows that separate pvp necklaces exist, and I have 1 more lost match
Because everyone (bad/average/good players) are in same bracket atm. Wait couple days and good players will move to upper divisions and you will stop facing them.
That logic is great on paper but, absolute trash in reality.
In “a few days” what will remain in division 1 is absolute crap and nothing else. Most people who will remain in that division will have no clue how to play a class, how to rotate and, most importantly, what to do and when. So, for a worker Joe who plays a couple hours per day, will be stuck in that division for a long time. To make things even worse, many people will simply give up in that division in “a few days”. That means, these players will face either extended queue times or ‘Hail Mary’ queues with other divisions with widened search spread. And that’s inevitable.
Hence, Amber will be new legend for season 2 unless ANET is forced to match these poor sods with higher division players “in a few days”.
Needless to say that “you will always be matched with equally skilled player ‘because’ they will be in your same divisional tier” is also another trash logic that looks good on paper.
Thing is you also face those bad players. If you are as good as you think you are you should be able to carry to extend. I get bad teams as well, fighting on roads, farming buffs/animals and what not but enemy i face is also as bad and you can play around it and punish them really easy for lack of map awareness/mistakes etc.
I have to say that letting the skill going through some walls/edges is quite overboard and OP. Mostly happens at Legacy where the downed gets “pulled” through the ledges on both sidepoints.
I’m ok with the teleport.
I’m not ok when it’s going through stuff.
lol khylo is worse, you can port people up the roof and below the clocktower; gl interrupting that rez
tbh current system is less discouraging that moronic 50% winrate algorithm based on mmr that we had before
that algorithm forced you into losing matches if you won more than 50% of your matches, so basically you sat for 10-20 min in queue just to sit another 10 min in a match you weren’t ment to win from begin with
Because everyone (bad/average/good players) are in same bracket atm. Wait couple days and good players will move to upper divisions and you will stop facing them.
Mmr has nothing to do with current matchmaking. It depends on your current division, and a pip search range for people in your range.
That being said, even if you are playing something “meta”, that does not necessarily mean you are playing it well or great. For example, I could have the best reaper build off (insert build website), but that does not mean i can play it to its intended purposes since I’m not good at it.
Not saying you’re bad, its just a general statement on “meta” builds. For the most part, just know that all players are currently at the same “MMR”, good or bad, due to matchmaking changes in Ranked S2.
MMR still matters.
say for example,
match making grabs 10 amber players of similar pips.
then match making shoves them into teams of similar MMR.
means one team ’s MMR will always be higher than the other.
the new match making system puts all winners on one team and all losers on one team before the match even begin.
i don’t think it takes MMR into account tbh, based on players i was facing/had on my team today
This system we have now is more skill based system so for the first week i believe the matches are gonna be kinda unbalanced. You can always try to become a better player tho.
me being a better player is not going to make my team better,
They are dropping in 1 v1 fights in under 10 seconds,
I am always in the top 3 of my team if i play to win and i am sick of it. why cant i have a team that carries me for once.
you just lost all credibility, any half-decent player knows personal score doesn’t mean crap
Even though you can play around it, Impacting Disruption should have 5s internal cooldown (so people wouldnt spam it or get rewarded for a random interrupt so often).
i can agree on it just because i think anything that promotes excessive spam is bad design
everyone is in the same basket atm, if you wait week or two, it will balance out
Shouldn’t have to wait a week.
you don’t have, you can though
really, in every game i played begin of season was like that: everyone (good/average/bad players) were all in same bracket but eventually good players would roll over average/bad players and move up divisions really fast
Play in the enemy team please. I like having free wins.
If I had a dollar for everytime someone said that last season on the way to legendary…
if i had a dollar every time someone told me to reroll, uninstall, quit game, kill myself, called me names and reported me for botting because i played thief last season~
oh btw, i am still playing thief, so if you are (un)lucky to get me on your team DO NOT FREAKING ATTACK IN DOWNSTATE – chances are i am stealth rezzing you
he is right though, if you know the thief you are facing is headshot spammer with impact, then just juke cast and wait for him to run out of ini while he is spamming headshot
it is pretty funny actually
are you both having a mental beakdown or something?? or you have no clue about that headshot can be used for actually interrupting CASTS by people who own faster reaction times than a beaver.
they are still predictable, there is literary only handful of thieves on NA/EU that are can play mindgames with you (and most rerolled rev anyway)
The matchmaking is horrible. Did not expect that it could get any worse than last season, but it did.
I lost 8 out of the last 10 games so far and I was legit legendary division last season.
don’t believe it
i haven’t lost a match yet (emerald now) and i was legend as well :P
you may not get good teammates but so does enemy team, i literary won 1v2 fight vs 2 necros….on vanilla dp thief…
Notice how most of the defeats are total blowouts. That surely cannot be purely my fault.
Really depends who you are facing. I had relatively bad team today but enemy was just as bad really and let me decap far all match (and kept feeding me kills 1 by 1) so we came back eventually.
The real problem is how score doesn’t affect pip gain/los anymore so people are not motivated to try till the end of the game anymore. You need to make sure people on your team don’t give up too fast.
If it bothers you so much, wait couple of days, i think it will balance out a bit. Or play class/build that can do well in 1v2/1v3 situations. If your team loses fights a lot, just force enemy team to split. OR make premade xD
Well, staff is just designed poorly. Staff 5 does high aoe dmg (higher than backstab), no aftercast and has evade and gap closer baked in. It just promotes spamming 5 since using everything else on staff is hardly worth it. I would probably reduce dmg on staff 5 and rebalance other spells.
The matchmaking is horrible. Did not expect that it could get any worse than last season, but it did.
I lost 8 out of the last 10 games so far and I was legit legendary division last season.
don’t believe it
i haven’t lost a match yet (emerald now) and i was legend as well :P
you may not get good teammates but so does enemy team, i literary won 1v2 fight vs 2 necros….on vanilla dp thief…
They said in one of the blogs that each season will have a title for reaching maximum division.
Could you please elaborate the source this time? I remember you pointing that out earlier, but like I said I’ve searched all I’ve found but found nothing on it.
Sounds awful. I’d hate to have to work entirely alone in a broom closet.
Harry, you are a wizard!
But Cynz, that would imply they are the hero
Well…
1. there is no balancing team by the looks of it
2. if this guy had gotten this job he WOULD have been a hero… i mean he would have to fight hordes of greedy managers interested in everything but class balance… that is just like Harry vs Voldemorth and army of death eaters xD
Oh no Thieve’s and necro’s got buffs and now you’re seeing them more often in matches, since people are abusing the new 3 month yolo program...so surprising.
Fixed that for you.
Whats there to abuse on Thieves? They’re weak as kitten (compared to meta) and not part of the meta.
Guess you didn’t watch Pro Leagues.
Ppl should be glad when facing teams with a Thief or 2, easier to win. Just make sure you got 1 Rev. All you need to squash both Thieves.
- whole season thieves couldn’t really pvp (unless you were ready to be subject to massive harassment and griefing which got completely ignored by customer support /slowclap )
- unranked doesn’t affect your standing in ranked so you can mess around on a class that is actually fun because it is so fast paced
so, people play class they couldn’t play for long time
dw, ranked will be flooded with scrappers, revs and reapers
I would like to say that DH, imo, is old turret engi. They are not ESL material but they are certainly too effective for amount of (little) effort required in normal ranked.
@cynz: To make it simple: D/P is stronger than every other thief set – part of it because the skills synergize so well – the other reason: all traits in SA are now suited D/P best.
And it does more damage than at least D/D which is silly and shouldn’t be.
As long as thief is balanced around D/P no other weaponset will have a chance. As long as D/P isn’t nerfed (traits being unraveled so other builds can take them again counting as nerfs) no other set will have a chance.
I hope you get it now – and I’m seriously tired of this discussion – I’m not that stupid that I couldn’t have brought my point across in now 100 posts – so please try to either get or just leave me alone with your hostility – thank you.
- blanket statement, staff works well imo
- ofc SA is suited dp best, dp is built around stealth after all
- dp doing more dmg than d/d is arguable
- i don’t think thief is balanced around dp atm actually, i would say it is DD
- d/p is not holding other weaponsets, it really doesn’t. Thief generally has 2 playstyles: stealth and evades. For example d/p doesn’t stop devs from inproving staff/ s/d. D/P is also all about direct dmg so it doesn’t affect condi builds. If Anet really wanted they could have improved other sets regardless of dp. Maybe you should focus on asking Anet to improve those weaponsets instead of asking Anet to ruin game for other thieves than yourself.
- what hostility are we talking about here? Having different opinion and disagreeing is hardly hostility.
Now you are beeing unfair. I didnt bother to read the entire ‘nerf dp’ threat but from my understanding of jana’s original argument the idea was to bring dp back in line with the other sets, and then rebalance the entire profession in a more useful way, not to nerf a good set and make us worse.
But besides that…that entire weaponset discussion…its pretty useless. I think we all can agree on some things are actually broken and should be revisited, but on the other hand 5/8 weaponsets beeing at least viable is pretty good compared to other classes.
And it is also not really the point of this thread, i doubt the build diversity had any connection to thieves not beeing in pro leagues.
No, her idea was to nerf dp so nobody plays thief so Anet would be forced to buff the class. She forgot that staff still exist and is performing pretty well atm. She also apparently forgot Anet balancing history – they nerfs things to the point of unplayable a lot and often don’t touch it for years. She just wants d/d buffs at costs of other players – no, ty. The amount of griefing i got just for playing thief in season 1 was absurd, i don’t want another season like this because Jana wants d/d to be amazing.
Stupidly easy meant, that season 1 leagues were just same old farmboards, amount of games mattered, skill not so much.