Guild Wars 2

The problem with reddit is: the top upvoted posts are about anet making muffins, everything else (including actually good posts) never sees the light of the day. I already find it stupid that we are pretty much forced to post on reddit to actually get dev and customer support attention because normal tools (official forums, in game ticket, account ticket) get ignored most of the time.

Veteran Oakheart.4035:

Get a belt and spam shadow shot AA for pressure, backstab is overated.

lol best answer

backstab is definitely a lackluster atm and not worth the effort

babazhook.6805:

Cynz.9437:

I am actually surprised people don’t run any condi cleanse in pvp given amount of the necros and engis there. I personally run SE, sigil of generosity, withdraw, shadowstep. I ran in quite few d/d DD condi thieves spamming death blossom during the season – i wouldn’t say they were deadly but definitely obnoxious to fight due to evades.

Obnoxious is certainly the word. But hardly OP.

Permastealth guys can be obnoxious too and I see way way more of them in wvw then d/d db thieves. These the ones that now use bound through black poweder for all that stealth while using d/p. They are far more dangerous and harder to kill then is a d/d DB thief even if the latter in dire.

Well permastealth isn’t issue in pvp since stealth is huge disadvantage in conquest.

Yeah, we will probably see a lot of those 3 (mostly scrapper and druid though) during next season.

I am actually surprised people don’t run any condi cleanse in pvp given amount of the necros and engis there. I personally run SE, sigil of generosity, withdraw, shadowstep. I ran in quite few d/d DD condi thieves spamming death blossom during the season – i wouldn’t say they were deadly but definitely obnoxious to fight due to evades.

Rodzynald.5897:

Something is strange… for few months of playing pvp I could say my “50% chance” of winning was rather lower and I had more matches lost than won during the day.
Since leagues ended and people roll with unranked then first time in my life I got such a huge winning streak, most of those matches were soloq and two were trio premade with guildies.
For what reason this happened?

ranked and unranked have separated MMR
if you haven’t done many unranked games then you are basically noob for the game when you queue for unranked

The reason is pretty simple: to force players to make teams… esparts duhh.

Only way to overcome the obnoxious 50% win rate algorithm is to create a team of good players thus denying the matchmaking any possibility to stack odds against you in match. With premades you can’t get bad teammates, with good premade it also doesn’t matter how good your opponents are.

And no, issue is not because there are not enough players. I have 2 accounts, i could observe very well on fresh account how hard matchmaking is trying to make you lose games if you win too many games (i had like 100% win rate at some point since for game i was noob and facerolled every match): you get teammates that stomp clones, zerg animal, double cap etc. while players on team can win 1v3 fights. As rabbit (on fresh accnt) i was facing people with dragon rank (rank doesn’t matter much but player with dragon rank obviously has more games under their belt than rabbit) that spawn camped my team all match.

lighter.2708:

tbh, warrior is the most boring pve class

nah thief is most boring

as war you actually have to rotate your spells a bit, as thief you just spam 3, 111111 until you got ini, then spam 3 again… evades guarantee that you won’t even need dodge

i am played both classes in pve, so this is comming from personal experience

i would add rev to the list since entire dps rotation involved AA but they changed it a bit

I got to legend solo with old fashioned dp thief, so yes you can play thief w/o elite.

You obviously will have disadvantages for not using elite spec though. I think if you got DD improved dodge and would have more access to stealth which would allow you to drop some utilities you are using right now. Given that you don’t have full DD yet i would probably get SA for stealth on steal, get withdraw and drop roll for ini for blinding powder (you don’t seem to use later much and blinding powder is great as escape tool and to gain stealth for sneak attack).

I probably will get a lot of hate from wvw players, but i still think anything works in wvw. If you enjoy playing p/p build, why not? If you spend most of the time in p/p then switching from sd to sb may not be a bad idea since you lack utility/gap closers (or rather escape tools).

As far as pvp goes: unless you want to play in tourneys just play w/e you enjoy. In pvp you obviously can get DD and enjoy bound dodge with BP for stealth.
Can’t really give many tips as far as pvp goes since in you were in outnumbered fights (in favor of your team) in the video.

Just like i said in every ranger pet thread: i am fine with ranger pet doing damage if ranger actually has glass cannon amy equipped. It is however not OK for pet to do high dmg while druid is running tankier amulets~

Bottom line, i think pet should provide utility and not being main source of dmg.

Rezzet.3614:

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to me the problem seems to be everyone wants to run burst burst burst burst direct or condi but they just wanna melt stuff skilllessly

not every class has the luxury of being able to run different builds like engis….

Vamp Rook.7835:

…because it was “boring”, but they buffed like hell thieves autoattack.

different weaponsets (ranged vs melee), absolutely different class mechanics

we can also talk about range staff hitting for 3k AAs… or pet one shotting players~

i am… just playing different game while i wait for ranked to be available again :>

I had to wait over a year to get my chest for season 1 from wvw, dem couple coppers were sooo worth it!

Playing old fashioned dp here (i have HoT but i hate daredevil design). Got to legend yoloqing, so was doing fine i think :P

The build is pretty standard: DA 222, SA 322, TR 312; dp: air/fire; sb: fire/generocity; marauder amy, scrapper runes (only thing you won’t be able to obtain w/o HoT i think). The build is more team oriented than dueling.

NeXeD.3042:

DoingDaMinimum.4530:

Yasha.5963:

Crysto.7089:

Tell me more about these cheesy meta builds please. Can’t win a pvp match to save my life.

This guy shows an easy way to own face, it also helps explain “why I never feel skilled anymore”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0JWZ8t08TY

Gonna be laughing at that all day now. It’s a good example of how easy it is to play on some classes/ builds than others though.

Hahahah I know right bro like necro easiest class to play, been meta for 3 years every team has had at least 4 necros per team since the beginning amirite?

I’m gonna go make a video of every kittening class in hotjoins doing the same thing, you all do realize how much footage he probably had to get to win fights even in hotjoin like that, not to mention half the video his team is outnumbering the opponents and they are spawn camping them…

THAT VIDEO IS A JOKE VIDEO IT’S NOT MEANT TO SHOW THAT NECRO IS OP, IT’S MEANT TO SHOW THAT SNAP TARGETING MAKES THE GAME IDIOT PROOF.

please make it for thief, i think it would be hilarious to watch
(i am genuinely interested)

Lexander.4579:

i can only assume that its a stupid trolling attempt whilst trying to advertise a beginner’s video

good try i guess

BUT but but… it’s Morgul! 5th “best” thief EU xD

As far as video goes, i am disappointed – i expected unicorns flying around~

Sir Vincent III.1286:

The problem is, as long as D/P is in the spotlight, other sets are left in the dark not just D/D.

so let’s nerf dp and embrace vault spam………… okkkk

Rome.7124:

good job anet:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/42wokp/thief_after_126_balance_patch_d/

Why do you keep posting pve video?

Rome.7124:

good and skill-based class:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/42wokp/thief_after_126_balance_patch_d/

haha.

Why do you link pve video in pvp forums? How is it even remotely relevant? Besides on my rev i was hitting for 12k AAs in raids while giving everyone and their mother might around me. Good for this guy to finally get into raid considering that most raid groups would never even think about bringing thief in raid (for past few months) and would tell you to gt*o if you tried to join as one.

Once again, thieves didn’t ask for AA dmg increase, they asked for better way to land damage (because of all blocks, invuls etc.) and better survival (due to massive aoe/CC spam).

Also, thieves suck, everyone asks Anet to remove them from ranked and moan every time thief ends up on their team. Thieves are doing ok, everyone asks Anet to nerf them into oblivion. Mannnn, this community~

I been saying scrapper hammer needs some nerfs since HoT came out. Channeled spells is probably worst argument ever since channeled spells force you to burn dodges for every single spell. Imagine ranger had rapid fire on every single LB spell and built in utility.

Also, i would LOVE to hear any defense for hammer while thief SB exists (which has HUGE trade off for every utility). Or necro weapons, or ele weapons, or frankly most of the weapon sets in game that have some kind of utility.

SlayerSixx.5763:

Aylpse.6280:

The real chaos to enjoy is the fourms.

probably because of incomming pp rework and unload already got 20% dmg increase

besides ranged weapons are less risky to us (although devs somehow forgot it when they designed dh)

sb is… eh utility weapon and probably not supposed to do a lot of dmg (devs also forgot it when they created hammer for scrappers)

It took them almost 1 year :|

Fun fact: eles do crap load of condi dmg themself~

i like that buff…. but i am probably only thief out of 100 or so using sa atm :|

Funny part nobody asked for it, all we asked for is better way to land dmg and give us ability to live longer than 1 sec in all that aoe spam.

lol mistyped 3 tiers for 3 divisions… i think i would have died grinding 3 divisions in 1 day xD

i think it would take fresh account and legendary esl premade to get 3 divisions in 1 day

Short: none.

After HoT went live and after i realized how short was the end of the stick for thieves i pretty much quit pvp. I started to queue for ranked again during xmas holidays thanks to my BF (he plays gw2 as well and watching him pvp kind of motivated me) so around that time i was still amber.

Diamond was stupidly easy: after BNS came out i only logged in to do daily 3 matches, got through half of division by doing classes achive for backpack, last 3 tiers i pretty much grinded on last day of the season because i thought might as well get legend.

Fun fact: a lot of players in diamond/legend definitely wouldn’t be there if exploits didn’t exist and leagues weren’t so grindy but more about skill. Why?

1. most of the games i played as vanilla dp thief, it is really worrying how many players lost 1v1 fights vs my thief and they were using elites…. not saying i am amazing but this simply shouldn’t happen in diamond/legend (i am not even going to mention absolutely horrendous map awareness and rotation i saw from players).

2. every single diamond/legend player i met while being in emerald/sapphire myself was really really really bad

Bottom line: leagues are nothing but just same farmboards with new UI. You don’t need to be amazing to get to high tiers just maintain about 50% win rate and invest some time and patience.

Positive: devs definitely improved algorithm and i didn’t get premades every second match like before leagues.

Negative: meta just sucks, it is boring and has nothing to do with skill. Also i am really buffled by the fact that exploiters and afkers left unpunished.

If customer support actually were banning people for verbal harassment, fair amount of EU pvp community would probably not be able to play game right now: amount of harassment i had to endure simply because i play thief was mildly said ridiculous – i was called names, told to kill myself, told to uninstall etc. I have to say though somewhere in diamond people stopped doing it. Ruby was definitely the most toxic.

morgul.9276:

Irwi IRwi, you are always depressing everyone.

3 years of anet balancing will do it to a person~

SlayerSixx.5763:

Sometimes they’re in a hurry and were caught up in the heat of the fight. If they do that in a 1v1……lol.

2v2: me and guard vs mes/necro, i down mesmer, spam interrupts on necro so he can’t rez mes, our guard starts to stomp clone…. mes gets rezzed, i down mes again, guard stomps mesmer clone again… i wish i had recorded it :|

lloydst.6985:

On the side of engi’s using hgh its too make up for the fact that we have to use elixers for condiclear having no other utility skills (aside from slick shoes) to us offensively the rest is only survivability skills to be able to be a near unkillable roamer spec (according to some) its actually nearly impossible to maintain 25 stacks of might unless you get supported by teammates or have a mesmer or mm have multiple targets out so you can get might from the auto chain using this build is far from mindless and is already being nerfed in the upcomming patch.

where lol?

Shirlias.8104:

Different colors for evey cond?
Also, there’s a chance tha all bar become gray the whole time.

But still, i ll give it a shot.
+1

rainbow for HP bar? ehh nah

overall great idea tho

You know what i am really worried about? That all those so called buffs will come with some hefty nerfs somewhere else, anet style~

No acess to boons (protection) and blocks/invuls + lower HP pool duhh

Remember when boons were something of specialty of guards….yeah~

SlayerSixx.5763:

MyPuppy.8970:

Shirlias.8104:

To me reading the small map is a bit hard ( class icons are way to large tbh ).

Not indicating mesmer clones would be a HUGE qol improvement. If we know there’s a mesmer, we know there are clones, no need to cluster the minimap anymore.

To add to that, not indicating which is the real mesmer when they use their downed stealth would be an even better QoL fix for mesmer. As it is (and has been), there’s really no point producing a clone since there’s still a big red arrow over the real one.

funny enough i still got teammates that stomp clones instead of real one…. it was in diamond lulz

Quintoozla.7893:

vlad.4871:

or they should nerf bristle and smokescale

So that you could return to ignoring pets?

they only classes that can ignore pets is bunkers and they won’t exist after patch~

Shirlias.8104:

Cynz.9437:

Shirlias.8104:

Cynz.9437:

This is comical: you get thief on team, everyone is moaning and asks thief to reroll. Thief gets tiny buff, people are moaning for nerfs…..

Also what about acribatics tree?

I mean, they buffed a non used tree and now we have a specific buff only “AA damage incrased”, when the major problem is a thief die by a single glance.

I accepts AA damage incrased, don’t get me wrong, but talking about the other things:

-If elementalist will be out of meta, thieves will be obliterated by guardians and maybe scrappers, due to higher surv into tf
-We should “considerate” to trade one of our actual trees with acrobatics. What would you drop for it? to me, DA, T and DD are both a must and way above.
-poor condition removal into a condition spam endgame ( as always, but now more conditions than before )
-no stability nor good bs ( shadowstep with a 50s cd, which is good for the skill itself don’t get me wrong, but then? another year with infiltration signet? well, the fact is we won’t be alive to use em )
-Dodge/Evade nerfed to the ground, due to modifies ( DH pull, which work from infinite dinstance and while dodging, Slick shoes, which works while dodging, hunter barrier and feel my wrath, which cannot be evaded and also knockback you. And also, knockbacks you while in teleport, like infiltration arrow ).

mah….

don’t look at me lol

i am not thief enemy

i was supporting you.

oh lol then it is misunderstanding :O

steppres.9046:

Just a quick message to let you all know Season 2 will include the ability to show per-character MMR for ranked sPvP. I think this is a great decision on ArenaNet’s behalf and shows they are really listening to the community and not hiding anything. Transparency is key when it comes to competitive play, so this is a step in the right direction.

Thank you for listening ArenaNet.

EDIT: Also just found out group and solo queues will be separate! Woohoo!

the dream :<

Spartacus.3192:

Mogar.9216:

Basically I wasted over 1 hr playing those matches because what I did or didn’t do made very little difference at all.

Almost makes the case that AFK’ers were right all along.

Just kidding but you know what i mean. This 50% W/L thing is BS.

it is not

if you play alone couple thousands of matches you will see the trend very well

Shirlias.8104:

Cynz.9437:

This is comical: you get thief on team, everyone is moaning and asks thief to reroll. Thief gets tiny buff, people are moaning for nerfs…..

Also what about acribatics tree?

I mean, they buffed a non used tree and now we have a specific buff only “AA damage incrased”, when the major problem is a thief die by a single glance.

I accepts AA damage incrased, don’t get me wrong, but talking about the other things:

-If elementalist will be out of meta, thieves will be obliterated by guardians and maybe scrappers, due to higher surv into tf
-We should “considerate” to trade one of our actual trees with acrobatics. What would you drop for it? to me, DA, T and DD are both a must and way above.
-poor condition removal into a condition spam endgame ( as always, but now more conditions than before )
-no stability nor good bs ( shadowstep with a 50s cd, which is good for the skill itself don’t get me wrong, but then? another year with infiltration signet? well, the fact is we won’t be alive to use em )
-Dodge/Evade nerfed to the ground, due to modifies ( DH pull, which work from infinite dinstance and while dodging, Slick shoes, which works while dodging, hunter barrier and feel my wrath, which cannot be evaded and also knockback you. And also, knockbacks you while in teleport, like infiltration arrow ).

mah….

don’t look at me lol

i am not thief enemy

You get primordial legend if you got to division 6 after fix, don’t need it 2×.

Vanilla dp, mostly soloq (#teef #foreveralone)~

lloydst.6985:

Cynz.9437:

Anonymous Player.3079:

what make sense is make ppl get legit something.
If you make it legit, you’ll won’t have trouble to make it again, else maybe you are one of thoose

^^this

every single good player i know that hit legend can easily reach it again w/o breaking sweat, many of them don’t even care about leagues that much, only about pro league

You will have trouble as a solo queuer as the odds are against you in every match. Since every match there is the possibility of getting 4 scrubs on your team or getting a afk’er unless they remove forced 50 % win ratio it would be near impossible to get back up to legend. (Though the anounced winstreak pips might help)

Those people can literary 1v3 for a while…

Oh i have an idea: play a thief – it will teach you really quick to be aware of your surrounding xD

Gaia.2513:

Nova Stiker.8396:

No player should abandon a point just to avoid a pet minigun. If anything I’d rather players die keeping a point than try to outbunker a druid while being decapped for 2 minutes.

And Bristleback is useless after F2? How? I always press F4 immediately after.

So dodge, interrupt the pet, block projectiles, LoS and you don’t have to leave the point.
And unless you somehow either only have 15 seconds of fighting or cheat to give pet swap no CD, you are going to have to have Bristle up outside of its F2 (your mathematicly incorrect)

daze into immob into machine gun can happen within sec

MyPuppy.8970:

Yasi.9065:

Is it just me, or does gw2 support pseudo surround sound, making it pretty easy to “hear” the direction of effects?

Helps me spot stealthed thieves a lot.

golden
/15 charrs with apples

Theoretically they could record games and players could view them with delay, like in leagues but it would require a lot of resources and programming. They don’t even have time to fix exploits…

^^rest of the pets are not good so it is ok to exploit broken pets