Guild Wars 2

Did you finish year of ascension 1?

Millssta.9064:

Nevaahe.6308:

I have seen it go beneath the ground on several occasions and give me “obstructed” when trying to fear it. Otherwise I can usually see it pretty clearly.

Never incountered that before and I run Spvp as an engie. If unable to knock back I can understand as people run with stability on there gyros.

Cynz.9437:

Yeah, it would be nice if it did visually more than just hang around in their air.

Well if you fail to spot it I have no other words. The gyro is either with the user (engie) right by his shoulder and follows his every step or if activated it’s at an allies or enemies body. But as previous mentioned it becomes bigger like the skill gyros so it’s more visible. But if you watch it. It does the finisher mote with the white light ball thing.

Chaba.5410:

Who cares about visibility when the AI itself only works half the time?

How does it only work half the time? Works everytime for me.

I’m not quite sure what you expect anet to change about it?..

fine in 1v1, not so fine in team fights with crap load of minions from reaper, mesmer clones and what not.

antichecker.1675:

Cynz.9437:

antichecker.1675:

Cynz.9437:

Bob still has to win those games….

That is pretty easy since Bob “belongs” to higher divisions, as ANET decieded, so he will be matched with good players against bad ones.

Bob will lose a lot of matches in ruby since he can’t carry. In fact Bob will lose a lot of matches in last tiers of emerald since there you actually have to start to play well. This will lower his MMR by a lot.

did you read my post? he wont be playing Ruby, he stops when he reaches the hard part of game

did you read my post? he won’t even make it to ruby

antichecker.1675:

Cynz.9437:

Bob still has to win those games….

That is pretty easy since Bob “belongs” to higher divisions, as ANET decieded, so he will be matched with good players against bad ones.

Bob will lose a lot of matches in ruby since he can’t carry. In fact Bob will lose a lot of matches in last tiers of emerald since there you actually have to start to play well there. This will lower his MMR by a lot.

Fluffball.8307:

The DC thing IS enraging. I wish they could at least tell when anet servers are the reason you disconnected. I got a crucial winning streak (would have advanced a division) broken because of anet. While I click frantically for me to reconnect to a game we had in the bag, I browse the official forums with no lag. Enraging.

You can type in game /ip, the chat will show you IP of the server. Get pinglotter (free), type that IP in it and let trace route and ping, you will see what causes the lag (it is not always ncsoft servers issue btw).

NCsoft servers usually get massive lags on EU when big changes are coming and they update everything, this is example what happens when NCsoft servers cause the lag:
red lines is 100% packet los. In game you get 3k ms when it happens.

P.S. download speed and ping are different things btw. Not to mention game and forum servers are not the same. You can browse forums fine but still have high ping in game.

Bob still has to win those games….

It doesn’t help much to resize map. If your teammate is sitting exactly on point, you can’t see them.

Yeah, it would be nice if it did visually more than just hang around in their air.

No, ty.

Last season people with low MMR literary drooled their way to diamond while players with higher MMr had to win matches against ESL players just to get out of amber. Makes sense, right? That is why having title/wings/division icon was pointless, it didn’t represent skill at all, just showed you played a lot of matches.
Current system is actually skill based. Yes as decent player you get winstreak at lower division, but at higher divisions will face better teams and start to lose some games. This is how system should have been from begin with. One can argue that maybe they should have added some kind of tryout matches so people get placed around divisions according to their skill, but i prefer current system than old one.

And i totally won’t miss moronic 50% algorithm that forced you to lose games if you won too many, it was just complete waste of player time (10 min queue and then 10 min in lost match).

I main thief, thief was anything but fine last season. I got griefed and harassed almost every match, i had to make up for class weakness by playing better than enemy. I did learn one thing: idc if i win or lose so much if i know i played well and had fun. People really need to stop crying about this and use losing matches to improve themself.

Mini Crinny.6190:

They can do great healing, but the difference with ele this season and last is that they dont really have decent damage

^^ this

I think people don’t understand one thing. Yes, players with high MMR get silly winstreaks but only in lower divisions, once they get higher they pretty much face teams at their own level. Reason why Anet implemented system like that is so that better players don’t stay too long in low divisions and don’t farm inexperienced players.

Last season was pure illusion, players with low MMR drooled their way to diamond w/o actually facing any challenge while players with high MMR had to beat ESL players just to get out of amber.

Wanna feel bad? According to some post on reddit from customer support member, they get around 10 reports per day…….. which is a total horse crap imo, given that i reported countless people for verbal harassment last season (nobody wanted thief on their team so they chose to grief me instead of playing).

IQGoesgwii.9273:

Theter.5219:

IQGoesgwii.9273:

Cynz.9437:

IQGoesgwii.9273:

What classes are you guys playing, what builds are you rolling and are you playing soloQ or team?

If team, no wonder you’re finding it very easy.

I play an elementalist, my win rate is about 30%, I play solo queue, and I am very confident about my skill as an elementalist…

Going up towards t5 emerald as we speak and its a nightmare. I’m gonna start killing people. And not in PvP. Im going mad.

Playing solo only, vanilla dp thief. I started to lose some games around sapphire but i think winrate is still around 90-80%

It has nothing to do with class really nor premades (ofc good premade will roll over pug teams) but personal MMR.

What can I do to get better MMR then? Win games? It’s bloody hard to win games with a team full of idiots.

Just play your role correctly and you should be fine. If you played your role at perfection and lost the game, either it wasn’t perfectioon, or you hadn’t the good team to help you win.

I’m pretty sure you can put just about ANY PLAYER, be it the best professional player in the world, who always plays the “perfection” and he wont be able to 1v5.

So argument invalid kind of :p

Doesn’t need to 1v5, just 1v3 if your team is really bad. I have seen it done.

Waffler.1257:

I’ve noticed it’s very easy this season also, barely played so far and I’m already about to be sapphire. Just doing solo-q and I don’t even have the expansion lol. I though it was impossible for reapers and scrappers to lose to a vanilla dps guard, but I was apparently wrong. Every now and then you get some real knuckleheads on your team that make you lose, like the people who actually go and try to stomp the fake down state mesmer, but overall still around an 80% win rate.

OMG you had those guys on your team too? HAHAHAHA

Was he a DH by chance?

I would also like to add: you have thief on your team and he is nearby when you go down? DO NOT ATTACK!!!!!! Chances are, this thief will stealth you and try to get you up.

I personally run rez trait and refuge and try to save them for rezzes. Most of the people just spam attack in downed state, berak stealth and get stomped where i had actually really good chance to rez them and even asked them not to spam attack in downed state.

This suggestion would work for next season, not current one since last season was based on different matchmaking and a lot of bad players got to diamond/legend by exploiting, carried by low MMR, farming SH etc. You can imagine what happens if they land in ruby while having low MMR and facing legit diamond/legend opponents xD

oh another glass victim of signet thief in wvw….

berserker war with rifle would literary 1 shot you, just saying~

psizone.8437:

epouvante.7392:

And what´s the counter to two reapers?

Well…

Crimson Shi.5047:

Get gud with 2 daredevil, scrapper, druid, bunker ele, flame rifle warr, and another reaper.

IQGoesgwii.9273:

Cynz.9437:

IQGoesgwii.9273:

What classes are you guys playing, what builds are you rolling and are you playing soloQ or team?

If team, no wonder you’re finding it very easy.

I play an elementalist, my win rate is about 30%, I play solo queue, and I am very confident about my skill as an elementalist…

Going up towards t5 emerald as we speak and its a nightmare. I’m gonna start killing people. And not in PvP. Im going mad.

Playing solo only, vanilla dp thief. I started to lose some games around sapphire but i think winrate is still around 90-80%

It has nothing to do with class really nor premades (ofc good premade will roll over pug teams) but personal MMR.

What can I do to get better MMR then? Win games? It’s bloody hard to win games with a team full of idiots.

1. queue only during prime time
2. play class/build that can hold point for ages vs 2/3 enemies (cough tempest, cough scrapper) OR can rotate really fast across the map and force enemy to split all the time
3. communicate, make calls… surely not everyone will listen, but if 2 other players do then you have good chance to win even apparently lost matches
4. obviously watch map, rotate properly yada yada – 99% of matches are lost due to bad map awareness and bad rotations, imo

1. don’t queue at night/early morning
2. play class that can hold point for long time vs multiple players (or if you are really good, roamer) this way you can make up for your teammates being potentially bad

i had quite few games this season that we were losing by far and then came back at the end by changing our strategy
example: our team kept wiping in team fights, i asked my team to split enemy across the map and we murdered them 1 by 1

IQGoesgwii.9273:

What classes are you guys playing, what builds are you rolling and are you playing soloQ or team?

If team, no wonder you’re finding it very easy.

I play an elementalist, my win rate is about 30%, I play solo queue, and I am very confident about my skill as an elementalist…

Going up towards t5 emerald as we speak and its a nightmare. I’m gonna start killing people. And not in PvP. Im going mad.

Playing solo only, vanilla dp thief. I started to lose some games around sapphire but i think winrate is still around 90-80%

It has nothing to do with class really nor premades (ofc good premade will roll over pug teams) but personal MMR.

Do you queue at night by chance?

R O C.6574:

Cynz.9437:

Laraley.7695:

Cynz.9437:

R O C.6574:

Chaba.5410:

Glad no one can see their MMR. Players would just use that information to game the system by figuring out what actions they can take in a match to raise it and avoid all actions that lower it.

Do you have an example of such an exploit?

google for wow arena mmr exploits – people always found some way to exploit the system because they saw their mmr

Yes, because we have had absolutely zero exploits in gw2 so far.

so let’s add more?

It looked like WOW implemented a ban on players caught win trading. It didn’t really makes sense though because both teams had to be in on the scam. How could you be sure you were going to match up with the team helping you exploit?

queue at the same second at 5 am~

Laraley.7695:

Cynz.9437:

R O C.6574:

Chaba.5410:

Glad no one can see their MMR. Players would just use that information to game the system by figuring out what actions they can take in a match to raise it and avoid all actions that lower it.

Do you have an example of such an exploit?

google for wow arena mmr exploits – people always found some way to exploit the system because they saw their mmr

Yes, because we have had absolutely zero exploits in gw2 so far.

so let’s add more?

Yeah i got through amber/emerald really fast. Started to lose some matches in sapphire.

Playing during prime time or during off-hours also has big impact. I think if you don’t play during prime time you are bound to lose more games.

You can beat some classes in 1v1 but you need to be by far better than your enemy. Given same skill level, you won’t win 1v1. reason? Well Anet still thinks thieves have that 1+ role (that is filled by revs just as good) thanks to sb 5 so they don’t deserve to be able to win 1v1 fights vs equally skilled players (once again completely moronic reasoning given that revs exist).

Ofc dropping everyone in same division wasn’t great idea but so wasn’t season 1 where people with high MMR had to fight esl teams just to get out of amber while low mmr players drooled their way to ruby/diamond.

Power.2957:

Gecko.1962:

…Scrapper:…Leave the class as a whole alone…

And this is where you lost me.

R O C.6574:

Chaba.5410:

Glad no one can see their MMR. Players would just use that information to game the system by figuring out what actions they can take in a match to raise it and avoid all actions that lower it.

Do you have an example of such an exploit?

google for wow arena mmr exploits – people always found some way to exploit the system because they saw their mmr

Helly.2597:

Cynz.9437:

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If someone has a high enough mmr to balance out for being matched up against the entirety of the abjured it wouldn’t be fun for his team, but it would be considered fair yes.

Balancing the mmr on each team seems to be a superior way to match players. It does get skewed with how Anet does not separate solo and team queue though.

I can use the example of dota 2 in how it uses an mmr average to match the teams who play against each other in rmm (ranked match making). As long as anet sets an acceptable mmr range that slowly expands (until a max range so it doesn’t expand forever) as the queue time increases it should be acceptable.

Now the issue with mmr has always been the extreme cases. High or low extremes will always cause imbalances in the matchmaking. However if your mmr is so high supposedly according to the game you should be able to carry your team to a victory in 50% of the games.

You do understand that if that suggestion was implemented divisions would never balance out and there would just as much QQ as there is now.

Passives and aoe is an issue. HoT and june patch basically added more aoe and passives applying condis. Just fire away, no thought needed.

Helly.2597:

Dirtyrascal.1023:

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Thanks for the reply.

So since I got placed with better players or got lucky the first few matches my mmr has increased giving me better players on my team.

And since the league just started and everyone is low division I’ve been playing against majority of teams who are well below the mmr of my team simply because the pip ratings are close to the same?

And I’ll keep doing well until I hit the ceiling of my mmr skill level?

Honestly this feels very backwards from Anet. I understand desiring to make the good players rise to the top, however it seems to me they reversed how the teams should be formed. Have pips dictate the teammates and team mmr dictate the opponents. (Similar average mmr teams playing each other).

LOL it would be quite unfair to teammates of a player with high mmr. Let’s assume 1 guy has high mmr, he gets a team based on his division (begin of season, so amber, so noobs are possible). He faces enemy team of abjured because of his MMR. Take a guess how much fun he and his low ranked teammates will have. There would be just as much crying and divisions will never balance out.

Current system is indeed more skill/wins based. Ppl with higher mmr will just move faster through divisions. If you don’t want to face them, just wait few days, it will balance out.

To answer your question, yeah you will. I started to lose some games around sapphire (feels bit similar to old matchmaking), i am also facing players with legend title (doesn’t say much but you do need to play a lot of games to get there so their MMR is higher).

just take a break for few min, that guy will get queue and you won’t have him again

and then you realize people make alt accounts and have thousand of games on their main account…..

Sunshine.5014:

Why do we need tryout matches if you can have a Preseason? See my signature for details

What about people that don’t play in off-season, or come back to game mid of season?

I think, maybe they should add something like League did:
you play 10 tryout matches (with each win you face stronger teams), depending how many wins and who you won against, you get placed higher in divisions.

That being said, a lot of players overestimate their skill level and complains about having bad teams will never cease.

Luto.1938:

Would a fix be to simply place you in a higher league tier based on a previous seasons performance? This would reward the veterans of previous seasons and place them within a higher bracket than new or less skilled players.

Example: If you reached Legend in Season 1 then in Season 2 you start in Ruby, or if you made it to Diamond in Season 1 then in Season 2 you start in Sapphire.

you do realize a lot of bad players got to legend/diamond last season thanks to exploits, low mmr, sh farm etc.

what do you think would happen to them in ruby

how about less powercreep and more nerfs to the source of the problem?

Blackdagger.9670:

So, basically you are saying; Anet wants matches like good ones versus bad ones. And this goes and goes in cycles. *low mmr’s always fight against high mmr’s. *

It’s like capitalism then, Rich will be rich and poor will be poor forever. This is the system that is intended? and there is no mistake? This is what we deserve? Wow just wow.

I managed to hit legend in season 1, ruby games were hard but diamond went easier. And I never had this much of lose streaks before.

How can you design a system that puts players with 5k+ games with total pve players into same team. It expects me to carry them? No sir, they are heavy as hell. This is what happening right now in season 2.

nah, once players with higher mmr move up divisions, low mmr players won’t face them anymore

Chaith.8256:

Teutos.8620:

• Since very other (major) league system manages to provide high-qualitative matches, don’t you think, we deserve those too?

Who do you think I am, ArenaNet?

It appears that what ArenaNet wanted was for the skilled players to accelerate to their correct divisions instead of slowly carving up Ambers/Emeralds for 50 games.

Some experienced players really didn’t like having to sweat and struggle in Amber.

^^ this

It simply didn’t make much sense to me. We had low mmr players drooling their way to diamond while veteran players with high mmr had to carry absurdly hard games in low tiers since matchmaking had to put you with either really bad teammates or against full premade/good opponents to compensate your high mmr in low divisions
Personally, i found emerald/sapphire harder than diamond/legend from last season because of it (given i started pvp again around xmas so i missed half of the season).

Also, MMR based matchmaking promoted MMR tanking.

@Op:
1. play during prime time otherwise matchmaking is too volatile due to lack of players and you are just begging to get uneven matches
2. if you lose many matches like this in a row, then sry to say, but you are where you belong; once better players climb up the divisions you will also be able to climb up. Given how you considered chronobunker and old condi PU mesmer balanced, i am really not surprised about your current league success.

Generally, i find this whole QQ about losing streaks and how everyone is so good at game yet loses so silly. I have high suspicion that most of those crying comes from players that didn’t experience old leaderboards from first 2 years of GW2 that were based on skill/wins and MMR. Most of players weren’t even on LB so it is no surprise that most of players right now can’t leave amber/emerald until better players move up the divisions.

Harsh, annoying, frustrating? Yes, but this is pvp, it is not some pve farm where you can faceroll mindlessly and get rewarded for it. Most good players (including pro league) had their fare share of loses, but instead of crying about it 24/7 they learned from their mistakes, got better and can carry now.

Also, climbing up really fast wouldn’t do you any favor – you would just have reaallllyyy long queue times (that is why i am don’t try to rush through sapphire atm).

Teutos.8620:

Chaith.8256:

Who do you think I am, ArenaNet?

See, that’s the reason, why people think you are just a diva. You can’t answer normally.
Nobody is saying, that this league system is your fault. I just wanted your opinion.

It appears that what ArenaNet wanted was for the skilled players to accelerate to their correct divisions instead of slowly carving up Ambers/Emeralds for 50 games

Please take a look at ANY other game e.g. league of legends. They still manage to let skilled players accelerate to their correct division BUT without having to farm through less skilled players.

Not true, last time i checked even if you won all 10 tryout matches, you still end up in silver. As platinum+ you just farm the hell out of weaker opponents until you reach your division. I have seen it done many times (had friends in diamond/challenger).

Kayberz.5346:

Do the math, its not the tickets, its crossing 10 divisions total.
If you got to legendary last season you have crossed 5 divisions, you need to cross 5 more which means getting legendary Twice in a row is the only possible way to finish it in 2 seasons

people got legendary x7+ last season, it is possible

Malediktus.9250:

It is much harder than last season. Without premades you loose all the time.

not true
i play only solo (not even meta build) and won most games so far (sitting in sapphire)

Lexander.4579:

Ananeos.4587:

runeblade.7514:

Ananeos.4587:

runeblade.7514:

StickerHappy.8052:

Malediktus.9250:

Lol! Mesmers are still great. Great team support with portals, moa and cc.

For example this build seems to be pretty common and doing well:
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Chronomancer_-_Chronophantasma_Shatter

PS: MESMERS ARE PORTAL BOTS. Every decent mesmer will have portal. It’s a curse.

Meanwhile, Warriors have nothing special. Why you still complaining?

I want 16k burst too!

And your wish is granted. You mesmers now have 16k+ burst. Anything else you want to take away from warriors?

Ooh ooh! How about our phantasms act like banners now?

if banners could attack and move around by themselves they would be phantasms

oh man the image… why is it scary?

I didn’t count all games but i would say around 90% – i started to lose games around sapphire, although i think it has something more to do with daytime than division (late at night or early morning not many people queue, so matchmaking is too volatile).

Got legend last season.

As far as experience goes: did couple thousand of games, won some tourneys.

VuAnh.8105:

Shadelang.3012:

Alot of people ended up in diamond/legendary despite being what in the current system would be the ruby tiers.

How would you know what the ruby tiers are even like right now? I can count only a handful of peeps that are rubies.

Actually, for the most part progressing this season should be a lot easier than it was last season.

He means at the end of the season.

I think it is possible, if you are decent and play a lot of games. While you can’t profit from 3 pip per win, you also don’t get silly MMR matchmaking. There is also win streak reward so it is not bad.

insanemaniac.2456:

yeah, since everyone is amber right now just queue until you start seeing esl players or whatever. then give it a break for a week to let the people youre better than catch up and beat them into submission again.

its a race, but even a walker can finish a marathon.

also this

oh dear…. this game needs more necros i think~

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

i won’t miss old system, it discouraged winning games…

Nikola.3841:

shrek.1046:

Cynz.9437:

it is normal

Whats happening to some of us isn’t normal. I know how to rotate, play the secondary objectives etc. Almost every single match of my first night in the new season I got teamed with players who didn’t know those basics. Would prefer the old 50/50 matchmaking it wouldn’t be so frustrating.

Cynz seems to be bad at statistics, so he doesn’t understand

when no arguments left, use personal attacks

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

Nikola.3841:

Cynz.9437:

I lost only 1 match since season started and i play alone. Not even meta build.

You don’t need premade to win games/have win streak at low divisions, imo.

Of course you don’t, thats what all the fuss is about….you were lucky in first 3-4 matches, now you’re carried up by been teamed with good players, whiel same skill guy in opposing team is been dragged down because he lost first 3-4 matches

yeahhh.. those good players fight off point, leave points undefended, get our points decapped literary under their nose…

i won’t deny i did get some good teammates sometimes but it is really not that often

if what you said was true then every match i had would be 500-30

If what you said was true, there would be not so many people with 30 wins in a row and 30 losses in a row, either

um actually it was to be expected, as i said before everyone got thrown into same division

take a guess what happens in every single game that has some kind of league system where everyone gets put in same division at begin of the season – new/unexperienced/not amazing players get massacred in matches for first few days

it is normal

I don’t think mesmers are an issue atm. Given double moa is cheesy as it gets but nerfing it won’t really change much.