Guild Wars 2

They should just change the name from “legendary” to “grind”. “Wow! Do you have that immersion-breaking grind weapon?” “YES I DO”.

Difference between FPS RNG and GW2 RNG:
FPS RNG effects you for about 1 second while you get unlucky shots and miss continuously. You either die or kill them shortly after. Also, FPS RNG costs you nothing.

GW2 RNG effects you for a very large amount of time to gather resources, craft, and earn money to make precursor all to just HOPE that it works in the mystic forge.

There is a HUGE difference there. One costs you a respawn, the other costs you months, at the least as a legit single player.

All of these defenses sound like the same old “the elementalist is only meant to be played by the leet of the leet” argument. It gets old hearing from people who are so “good” that they forget that not everybody can, or even wants to, play so long and hard until they are “uber gods of the elementalist”.

It is most certainly more work, less payout. Are you competing with other classes? Yes? Are you doing same amount of work? NO!

If you don’t thoroughly enjoy farming/grinding then don’t bother.

Just look at this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-vs-Rift/first#post389895

lol it is HILARIOUS at the end. Moderators going crazy and making Anet look like paranoid developers lol.

Dybz.9275:

DaedalusDragon.3754:

I hate saying it but your best bet is just googling your exact topic title. This thread will be closed IMMEDIATELY. I’d love to offer my experiences but I don’t want any more infractions.

I read through the forum CoC. I see nothing there that bars you from discussing other games and how they compare to GW2. Obviously as long as things stay civil. I won’t be leaving GW2 because I really enjoy it, just looking at what else is fun out there.

I’ve had multiple infractions for posts involving Rift talk. As far as I can tell none of them violated any other guidelines… but of course the “reason” was vague and didn’t say why it was really taken down. They just ninja bad PR with more bad PR

Or the resident “close all topics that aren’t ‘I LOVE ANET AND GW2’” mods

LOL thief complaints < everybody else < elementalists/necros

I hate saying it but your best bet is just googling your exact topic title. This thread will be closed IMMEDIATELY. I’d love to offer my experiences but I don’t want any more infractions.

@Rise
I know your pain. I switched to Guardian as well. Maybe we should both change to the thief/warrior so they are promptly nerfed next?

I guess the very straight forward “inflict massive damage in a single attack” part escaped your line of sight, right?

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

diabluz.2860:

TransparentlyOpaque.1824:

Hughs.6549:

The main problem in gw2 is that playing the game is not rewarding, at all. They’ve designed an amazing world here, wonderful cities except the charr one xD (Divinity’s reach feels so pleasant) but this is not enough to make people wanna keep playing.

Dungeons are not working so well … too easy, no strategy, bosses are boring as hell, and you have to grind in that poor PVE environment for what ? a few skins ?

Players need to feel rewarded for their efforts, they want to be proud when they complete a dungeon and say “YEAAAAHHHHHHH guys well played that was EPIC !” when they complete the very end game. They want their reward (weapon/armor ..) to be pretty rare which makes it more valuable and shiny. (not that stupid huge legendary grind)

GuildWars 2’s end game .. Zhaitan ? big joke, last boss of TA afk mode? cmon … well i don’t know, there’s just no end game. No carrot.

Atm, everything is just .. easy, tasteless. There’s no epic challenge, no epic reward, just .. shallow.

So once you’ve completed the exploration (100% world), explo dungeons, got your easy to get skin, experienced the “oh, a 20 ppl zerg just popped next to me in WvWvW.. i’m dead.”

You’re done.

You’re done? Except you’re here……

There is not much negativity with the game. The people who come up with negativity are clearly teenagers with too much time on their hands and excessive emo angst.

There are some good constructive criticism threads, but this is just one that will end up closed. There is nothing to discuss here except anecdotal stories about “friends” and rumors. Which is great, if you are in high school.

I find your comments, assumptions and attacks on the validity of my post extremely insulting. You know nothing about me or my age. I assure you I am MUCH older than a teenager and I can tell you that the 4 people I personally know that have already left the game are all different ages ranging from 15 to 28.

There is a valid concern here and it would be nice if we could get a response from an ArenaNet person on if they have plans to address a lot of these issues or if they are satisfied with many hardcore MMO players leaving the game.

It’s people like you that get threads closed. This thread was started with good intentions to encourage discussion and opinion and instead you come in here and start throwing around insults. Now, who did you say was being “high school”?

If you don’t have anything to add really and your only goal is to insult then perhaps you should just post elsewhere.

I do not intend to be insulting, im just questioning what the goal of this thread is ultimately.

The thread title is "So much negativtly lately is GW2 DOOMED? That is not a great start to a productive thread.

Then you go on to say they need to rework the game. And touch on “lack of endgame” for “hardcore” players. These are broad, sweeping, negative and vague commentary, what are you asking for an ANET dev to respond to exactly?

I think you will get a response from an ANET employee, saying this thread is closed.

Again, please leave the topic if you really have nothing to say. I find it personally insulting that you insist that you weren’t trying to be insulting with the statements that you made… I hate it when people don’t like things because they are “negative”. Oh I’m sorry, did I make you sad? This game deserves a lot of both positive and negative comments.

No endgame = end of game lol

But really, there is endgame. Just not in GW2. There is no sense of it at all, no less a “traditional” one. What can you do when you are done? Just keep on doing the same thing for no reason… just keep doing bad dungeons and unbalanced WvWvW… and keep on playing some broken classes. If their goal was that we kept playing for “fun” then why didn’t they make it more… fun…. and less grindy?

I don’t even remember it being a downed “rework”. And definitely not any “sizable buff” as Spoon said. Sadly enough, the MH dagger is one of our few decentish weapons. Other weapons need more attention than MH dagger…..

Anet…. fix your priorities…. please…..

You realize that nobody just walks past events right? Nobody is “rushing” through this game like some people are saying. Getting to 80 doesn’t require a whole lot of time.

They obviously don’t care about testing all that much. We have had skills that were broken since the game started BWE1 and they would rather fix whirlpool which has only even been usable for about 2 weeks…. Testing….. nah…. I had faith after this topic but then we get a round of nerfs to compound our bad class. Whatever. I’ll come back to GW2 when/if they get their priorities straight.

I had a post that was randomly moved to a random, non-existant, thread. I just loled at their dreadful PR. Hey, Anet, want happy fans? Then treat them with respect and don’t hide all of your mistakes. We know you make them.

Don’t expect engineer fixes for a while (assuming Anet has decent priorities). The engineer is in a fantastic place COMPARED to the necro and elementalist which are nearly unplayable in a competitive sense.

Based on their track record with the elementalist, the elementalist will be playable in 5-7 years.

How are you NOT being efficient? What are you doing that isn’t netting you a lot of experience? That is where your argument is invalid. You seem to think that people who play the game more than you is rushing where, in fact, it might actually take the same amount of in-game time just spread out over different time periods.

Also, where are your statistics to say anything is “more than average”? Is it just because you and your friends don’t play that much? That doesn’t make it an average.

And this game is VERY easy to get max level fast WITHOUT “rushing”. The game is designed that by doing all of the PoI and hearts you are exploring. I’m sorry I didn’t go up and down the level in some grid pattern so that I didn’t miss anything. “I’ve cleared A1, I didn’t see anything of note. Moving to B1.” lol But fine, don’t “rush”… what level are you? You realize that we are only a month and a week into the game right? Are you level 20? That is the level you would have to be and continue playing at that pace if you want to compare WoW and GW2 (which are incomporable BTW). These kinds of posts are always made by people who don’t like to play all that much (which is fine) so they think that spreading 300 hours out over 8 weeks means they didn’t rush as compared to the people who spent 300 hours in 2 weeks. Same game time people.

This game has very little end game content and will have to expand pretty soon. Back to that comparison of WoW, end game content was released so long after game release because people were still leveling at that time. GW2 and WoW are so different and GW2 took a tenth the time to beat (in-game time) and so has to come out with more content sooner. It doesn’t matter what they can/can’t do, what matters is what they need to do due to their lack of release content.

And a little note:
No game is ever designed around getting players to just play every once in a while. What kind of dreadful game company doesn’t want their players to love their game and play it all of the time? If you market a game like that then you better back it up with incentives to play it at that pace because a lot of people are going to play it the way the want to (advertised as such by Anet btw) and not wait for someone else to play with so as to float through the content. Seriously, Anet didn’t say “lets just make a game that our players feel sorta attached to but not too much. We don’t want them to feel too attached to our game or they might spend more money on it and buy our expansions.”

Sorry, but if you say you have never seen another class do the burst an ele can do with ANY skill then you threw your credibility right out the window and will probably get labeled a troll.

Relaxed should mean “we got rid of it so that we stopped insulting our player base”.

And anything less than instant cast would be just as bad. It’s just a convenience skill now. It doesn’t do anything that I couldn’t do by walking over there and using any defensive skill to raise a player. Using mist form or arcane shield would be better as they can be used while helping a downed player and then again during normal play. This skill is a really bad niche ability that only functions as a convenience “don’t want to take the time to walk over there” ability.

I found this to be an awesome post. Made me laugh… and sadly also very true. I’m convinced that there is a department in Anet specifically for making the elementalist a terrible class. They do a great job.

Honestly, it is going to be useless no matter what they do with it from here on. Fixing any real bug on this skill still wouldn’t be incentive to put it on my skillbar.

The developer in charge of the “Make sure the elementalist sucks” department probably complained… But I must give them credit, they are FANTASTIC at their job.

You used to be able to say that the elementalist wasn’t toooooooo bad at any one thing. That is to say, the elementalist used to be able to do pve content well enough when you weren’t trying to compare it to any other class, but now…. now we just get wave after wave of nerfs. I’m awestruck by the complete ineptitude of some of these developers. A “restructuring” might be in order.

The difficulty in balancing the difficulty of a dungeon is that they should all be doable by any group composition. It would go completely against Anets “no holy trinity” system to make it too hard for any one composition. You aren’t ever going to get a dungeon system that is very hard out of this game because it has to be playable by all classes and right now, most of the classes are getting so nerfed they can’t even do end game overworld pve content, none the less dungeons lol.

Yes it is. Don’t do those events. It really isn’t worth it. Our terrible class is even further kittened under water and doing those events become a huge chore instead of a nice break from repetitive ground combat.

This entire patch needs to be revoked. None of the class balances make all that much sense. Care to explain Anet?

It’s because they aren’t bug fixes as far as I can tell. Looks like they are just changing their minds on attacking behind you and making it look like they are actually doing it. All of these types of fixes could have been done in a few minutes after the first one… unless of course their programmers are terrible at organizing code…. Really…. these aren’t bug fixes. Just Anet saying “oops guess we don’t want that so instead of fixing real bugs we will just pretend to spend time on these and list them as if they were real fixes”.

At this rate nobody will be around when they finally get around to fixing the D/D. Why should we? This class sucks…. and then we got a nerf….. and then MORE nerfs…… and then some “bug fixes” that were really nerfs!!!!!

I see the importance of lowering the damage of Whirlpool but why did they have to prioritize it? We couldn’t even use it for weeks into final release, then it was our ONLY decent skill underwater, and then they nerfed it so it sucks just like everything else we have. I’m all for fixing balance issues but could they spend their time on the parts of the game that take place 97% of the time (above ground)?

And you know what? Who should even care about a change like the MHD? They won’t mention the bugged OH dagger or every other weapon that is even less balanced. MH dagger isn’t even our least balanced weapon. Everybody uses it so it must be our best. Why don’t we get fixes and balance fixed for our bad weapons first?

Karl McLain.5604:

We do have some improvements in mind for the elementalist’s main-hand dagger, along with reworking the downed state a bit. Keep in mind that you might not see this for a bit, but it is in the works.

You. Are. My. Hero. Thank you for at least saying this. I know it might be asking a bit much…. but is there anything else in the works for the ele? I just feel that the other weapons and traits and utility skills need some work too. But now I know this is being worked on at least on some level and I am much more content. Thank you very much!

LOL Boozer…. You’r entire post is conflicted. Who cares about legality? They are NEVER forced to do anything at this point… but should they? yes. Who is going to buy their game/expansions when nobody plays the game anymore or if it only ever gets bad reviews. I’m already telling people to hold off on buying the game until it is polished a LOT more. You think that just because the law is on their side that they have won some nonexistent war. Good luck with that.

Vaerah.4907:

" I play an elementalist".

You really did not need to say more.

+1
OP, you had all the sympathy you needed after saying that. The elementalist just can’t handle Orr very easily and it ends up costing far more than you will ever earn.

I couldn’t read through all of this so I’m sorry if I repeat somebody. A HUGE problem with having all of those skills was balance. There isn’t a reason to have so many skills if you are just going to leave some horribly balanced but it is a LOT of work to balance the skills we have, no less hundreds.

And come on guys. If part of your post is saying that you are smarter than other people (even if you try to do it respectfully) then you are incredibly stupid. You aren’t smarter than others just because you could build a GW1 build better than others. “Dumbing” a game down is a stupid phrase and doesn’t accurately reflect the action. But to be honest, if you really think “dumbing it down” is so bad then you probably deserve a time out. Jeez kids these days. “Look at me! I’m so much smarter than you! rofllol”

DiogoSilva.7089:

We aren’t praising Anet for being gods nor saying that everything is perfect. We know the elementalist has a lot of problems, but we are being realistic: the elementalist is not “junk” with the best builds out there (even though I consider power eles to be completely junk), it’s not at the worse state at the moment (necromancer is/ was), and bugs and nerfs to OP attacks are clearly the highest priority right now.

I sure am expecting buffs to our class someday. But I was also expecting this patch to revolve around nerfs, bug fixes and necromancer changes, just like the previous patch, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the next one focused on the same issues.

Having gotten buffs to MH air dagger, especially for pve, was a pleasant surprise.

I think the problem here is that we agree but we don’t know it. I realize that it may take a while to get any changes. I just want Anet to give us some information. Whether people believe that we, as paying customers, deserve answers or not, the truth is that this isn’t all that much to ask. If they are even slightly well managed, which I believe they are, they already have a rough plan that they could share. And sure, if they change it there will probably be people who get upset but that does not mean that they should hide it from us and not treat us like the people who pay them our hard earned money. I don’t get a paycheck without having to deal with other people and their problems and I don’t see why they are special.

@silvermember
What is “unnecessary noise”… oh you mean your post right? You don’t understand how a business works. I care what other people think but nobody has given me reason too in this thread. On the other hand, I DON’T care what anybody else thinks about me so posts similar to yours are pointless. You aren’t going to offend me (and trust me, whether you know it or not, that is your goal).

ArenaNet, you have seen this and you know what we are asking for. What is stopping you from answering in almost any fashion you choose? Just get us some information. If you don’t know specifics then don’t give us specifics. All most of us want to know is your opinion on the elementalist and how long we might have to wait (in relation to other classes, not even in units of time) to get the bugs fixed that hamper builds. One of those pieces of information doesn’t even have to wait for some mystical meta to develop… because we all know the meta developed before you nerfed us to hell.

If their reasoning was to keep people from getting all the stuff or running out of things to do in the end game… they probably should have made more end game…. just a thought….

They took five minutes to nerf us and wait months to fix us. Ridiculous. If you don’t like this thread then don’t respond. You aren’t going to change me… I’m WAY too stubborn for that.

Ele is a junk class. I’m sorry that you can’t see past your own abilities and find that it really isn’t worth playing for anything more than the playstyle at the moment. Just because I can “make it work” doesn’t mean it works. Every other class is purely better than the ele right now. If, for just one second, we could get everybody to understand what we mean, I’m pretty sure you would agree. I shouldn’t have to master my class just so I can compete in PvE. Do you have a build that you use that doesn’t have any points in arcana or water? All eles are forced to put points into arcana and water for the most part.

I’m sorry but “letting the meta develop” isn’t enough. They aren’t letting it develop for any other class…

It better not be! LOL I just bought this PC (custom built to be exact).

Copied some bits from DXDiag:
Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8086MB RAM
Page File: 2771MB used, 5712MB available

Card name: AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Chip type: AMD Radeon Graphics Processor (0×6818)

How is this extreme entitlement issues? I’m just asking for them to be like they were before the game launched… I’m a nice guy when people treat me with respect. I don’t go to restaurants if they tend to ignore their customers.

I realize they may not be able to state specifics but if they just said what their stance is on the state of the elementalist, it would go a long way.

Now that I think about it, I don’t get any FPS increases from big changes such as scaling back supersampling to native.

This sounds awesome and I’ve dabbled a bit but this is A LOT of work. Not to mention that you can’t even do this again for a loooooooooong time. I applaud anyone that can do this but I will stick to my already complicated and hard rotation for damage. Really cool though. I didn’t even know you could get up to 25.

Maybe I should note that I’m running everything super max. Including supersampling. I don’t know where other people stand on the settings.

My specs are around/greater than yours and I get a max of 42 fps when doing absolutely nothing in an empty area.

That doesn’t matter. They only have to take a few minutes out of their precious time and treat their customers right. I don’t know why anybody wants to argue against this. Are people against being treated like paying customers instead of garbage?

I’m pretty sure we are more than right to demand transparency. Comparing the responses to other professions to ours is almost useless EXCEPT that they STILL get more responses than us (we haven’t had one in AT LEAST 2 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) but that isn’t even considering that we are the/second most broken class in the game…. necros get responses…

We shouldn’t have to take a break. Coming on the forums and posting a detailed response regarding their thoughts on the elementalist would take 30 minutes max. I should not have to play another class just so I don’t get mad at Anet for not communicating. They did it in beta weekends while they were fixing things much more furiously.