Guild Wars 2

Like what they advertised, you can always convert gems to gold.

And usually the people who convert gems to gold are the ones who have paid real money for gems, otherwise, if you have paid gold for gems, you have to wait for gems prices to rise enough for you to make a profit.

If players are feeling rich, then who would be motivated to convert gems to gold? And if nobody does that, where is the real money income coming from?

silvermember.8941:

DarkSpirit.7046:

silvermember.8941:

DarkSpirit.7046:

silvermember.8941:

DarkSpirit.7046:

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

DarkSpirit.7046:

You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?

no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all

Well if you have, then you wouldn’t have fallen into that trap.

Back on topic, yes, Anet needs to understand why we don’t buy BL keys. Too many science experiments have proven that they are a waste of money.

You just don’t get it and I doubt you will. You need to understand that Arenanet expects not everybody is going to buy the keys and they are perfectly content with that concept. They only need a few to buy the keys to subsidize for the majority.

So when you see “WE” the is no “WE”, it is just you and the others. “WE” implies something that doesn’t exist which is that not everybody is you and short of you telling everybody to not buy keys, it doesn’t matter.

If ANet wants to increase their sales, they should fix their gem store. The old excuse of the minority subsidizing for the majority is a load of crap, as it ridiculously assumes that ANet sets a boundary to their earnings which they decided never to exceed. Too much money a problem?

“WE” meaning those who know better.

You can stand on your soapbox and pretend to be superior to everyone, the fact of the matter is, guild wars 2 is not a starting a trend that hasn’t existed in a long time.

The fact of the matter is IF black lion keys were not selling, Arenanet would have done something about them, the fact they haven’t changed after a year and half goes to show it is not a problem.

I don’t buy black lion keys because weapon skins hold no value to me, but I wont pretend like am somehow better than adults or possibly children (YOU) play the game. But hey you are free to delude yourself into some false sense of superiority, a lot of people do that all the time.

It is a problem because as the value of gems rises, so does the prices of the gem store items. If ANet does nothing to increase their demand over time, then they would be less desirable.

You can say, oh but you can still buy them with real money and that gem/real money conversion is constant. But you would have to remember for people who buy gems with real money, there is always the opportunity cost of exchanging bought gems into gold.

As long as the exchange rate is good (i.e. rising gem price relative to gold), people with real money would find buying gems to be desirable, either to buy gem store items (so that they don’t have to use lots of gold to buy them), or to convert gems to gold. If the exchange rate is bad (i.e. gem price falls relative to gold), then people would prefer to use gold to buy gem store items.

Therefore it is in ANet’s favor to keep the value of gems high, so that real money would flow in, and to do that they need to attract those players who buy gems with gold. And the only way to do that is to keep maintaining the demand for their gem store items, against rising gem prices.

The value of BL keys have changed, for example: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boost_Enchantment_Powder

But that may not be enough. They still need to do more to make BL keys more attractive.

And you can buy them (boost) with gold from an NPC? So the value of the BL has not changed. If you bought bL specifically for the boosters, well what can I say.

Because you can combine boosters, the BL chests are now a little less undesirable. But like I have said, it is still not enough to make me want to buy a key.

silvermember.8941:

DarkSpirit.7046:

silvermember.8941:

DarkSpirit.7046:

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

DarkSpirit.7046:

You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?

no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all

Well if you have, then you wouldn’t have fallen into that trap.

Back on topic, yes, Anet needs to understand why we don’t buy BL keys. Too many science experiments have proven that they are a waste of money.

You just don’t get it and I doubt you will. You need to understand that Arenanet expects not everybody is going to buy the keys and they are perfectly content with that concept. They only need a few to buy the keys to subsidize for the majority.

So when you see “WE” the is no “WE”, it is just you and the others. “WE” implies something that doesn’t exist which is that not everybody is you and short of you telling everybody to not buy keys, it doesn’t matter.

If ANet wants to increase their sales, they should fix their gem store. The old excuse of the minority subsidizing for the majority is a load of crap, as it ridiculously assumes that ANet sets a boundary to their earnings which they decided never to exceed. Too much money a problem?

“WE” meaning those who know better.

You can stand on your soapbox and pretend to be superior to everyone, the fact of the matter is, guild wars 2 is not a starting a trend that hasn’t existed in a long time.

The fact of the matter is IF black lion keys were not selling, Arenanet would have done something about them, the fact they haven’t changed after a year and half goes to show it is not a problem.

I don’t buy black lion keys because weapon skins hold no value to me, but I wont pretend like am somehow better than adults or possibly children (YOU) play the game. But hey you are free to delude yourself into some false sense of superiority, a lot of people do that all the time.

It is a problem because as the value of gems rises, so does the prices of the gem store items. If ANet does nothing to increase their demand over time, then they would be less desirable.

You can say, oh but you can still buy them with real money and that gem/real money conversion is constant. But you would have to remember for people who buy gems with real money, there is always the opportunity cost of exchanging bought gems into gold.

As long as the exchange rate is good (i.e. rising gem price relative to gold), people with real money would find buying gems to be desirable, either to buy gem store items (so that they don’t have to use lots of gold to buy them), or to convert gems to gold. If the exchange rate is bad (i.e. gem price falls relative to gold), then people would prefer to use gold to buy gem store items.

Therefore it is in ANet’s favor to keep the value of gems high, so that real money would flow in, and to do that they need to attract those players who buy gems with gold. And the only way to do that is to keep maintaining the demand for their gem store items, against rising gem prices.

The value of BL keys have changed, for example: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Boost_Enchantment_Powder

But that may not be enough. They still need to do more to make BL keys more attractive.

mtpelion.4562:

DarkSpirit.7046:

The whole point of this thread is to improve the product, not setting any price point, just read the OP. If you are just talking about the price point then you are derailing the thread and going out of topic.

Furthermore, if you consider the current price of BL key as already optimal, then the best way to help the OP (and others) out of his predicament is to improve the product. The BL key is notorious among players for not being worth its price.

I was responding directly to your comment that “the minority funding the game is crap” and explaining that it is not “crap” but a highly successful business model. I’m not talking about anything that you hadn’t already started talking about

If you have read my post, you would know that I was replying to someone else’s post, so how could I have been the one who started talking about it? In the context of this thread, “the minority funding” argument is crap. Furthermore, he didn’t mention anything about price point, only you did, so he could be talking about some other crap, who knows.

Yes, Black Lion Keys are not worth the asking price to most players, but there are enough players willing to pay the asking price that it is more profitable to simply ignore people like you and I who want more out of the chests or want to pay less for the keys.

So we will continue to complain and kitten about this to ANet over and over. Players do spread the word to other players and this would continue to hurt BL key reputation. What else can we do? Don’t like the pricing? Then don’t buy. I am certain the current BL key offering is not the best sales strategy for ANet and would continue to hurt them if they don’t change.

mtpelion.4562:

DarkSpirit.7046:

Not true.

Returning more valuable rewards from BL chests would increase the sales of BL keys without needing to decrease the price of BL keys. It is all virtual items anyway.

You’re talking about changing the product then, which means that your comments regarding minority/majority split on sales numbers (and my completely true response to them) were irrelevant.

If you change the product there will be a WHOLE NEW price point that maximizes revenue based on the increased or decreased demand resultant from the change.

Sure, it’s just a digital box containing virtual items, but people want those items and are willing to pay real money to get them, thus they have value. Making them more valuable means that some people are willing to pay more. If you improve the product then the new scenario becomes: would you rather have 1000 people pay $1.10 for widget 2.0s or 100 people pay $12.00 for widget 2.0s?

There is always a price point that returns maximum revenue, and it is almost never the one that ensures maximum number of sales because all markets represent a range of prices that the customers are willing to pay.

The whole point of this thread is to improve the product, not setting any price point, just read the OP. If you are just talking about the price point then you are derailing the thread and going out of topic.

Furthermore, if you consider the current price of BL key as already optimal, then the best way to help the OP (and others) out of his predicament is to improve the product. The BL key is notorious among players for not being worth its price.

mtpelion.4562:

DarkSpirit.7046:

If ANet wants to increase their sales, they should fix their gem store. The old excuse of the minority subsidizing for the majority is a load of crap, as it ridiculously assumes that ANet sets a boundary to their earnings which they decided never to exceed. Too much money a problem?

“WE” meaning those who know better.

No, it assumes that there is a price point that returns maximum revenue and that point is not the same as the price point that returns maximum number of sales.

The minority supporting the game model works because the minority is willing to spend a LOT more per transaction than the majority will, so catering to the minority returns more revenue.

Would you rather sell 1,000 widgets at $1 each or 200 widgets at $6 each?

Not true.

Returning more valuable rewards from BL chests would increase the sales of BL keys without needing to decrease the price of BL keys. It is all virtual items anyway.

Zaxares.5419:

But that said… If ANet were to sell an unlimited use Black Lion Salvage Kit, I’d buy it in a heartbeat.

Talk about power creep, if that were to be the case, rare upgrade prices would take a nose-dive.

silvermember.8941:

DarkSpirit.7046:

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

DarkSpirit.7046:

You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?

no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all

Well if you have, then you wouldn’t have fallen into that trap.

Back on topic, yes, Anet needs to understand why we don’t buy BL keys. Too many science experiments have proven that they are a waste of money.

You just don’t get it and I doubt you will. You need to understand that Arenanet expects not everybody is going to buy the keys and they are perfectly content with that concept. They only need a few to buy the keys to subsidize for the majority.

So when you see “WE” the is no “WE”, it is just you and the others. “WE” implies something that doesn’t exist which is that not everybody is you and short of you telling everybody to not buy keys, it doesn’t matter.

If ANet wants to increase their sales, they should fix their gem store. The old excuse of the minority subsidizing for the majority is a load of crap, as it ridiculously assumes that ANet sets a boundary to their earnings which they decided never to exceed. Too much money a problem?

“WE” meaning those who know better.

Aidan Savage.2078:

Consumable vs non-consumable. Since when have you seen any gemstore item that is not a consumable drop from the BLC?

You only want to talk about gem store items that are consumables now? Let’s see the “Additional Crafting License” is a consumable, when have you seen that drop? The “Permanet Mystical Dragon Finisher” is a consumable, does that ever drop? Even the “Scarlet’s Champions Mini 3-Pack” is a consumable but it never drops. This is only the first page on the gem store and I can go on much longer.

My point is gem store items are mostly unique, otherwise they would be too expensive in terms of gold to get sold, given today’s conversion rate. The sprocket pick and salvage kit would fit right in to their philosophy.

Aidan Savage.2078:

Right, because using an account bound item that drops by the dozens, cant be sold, and is used for armor crafting instead of salvaging, is a logical comparison to a cash shop item.

Even if you disagree that BL kits are not a common drop, when have you seen a bone pick, cook’s outfit, phoenix armor, ancestral outfit, Braham’s armor, all the most popular gem store items, etc. drop? And you are trying to argue with me about gem store having unique items.

Aidan Savage.2078:

BLSKs are rare? How is it I’ve gotten 5 of them in the last month? From dailies no less.

More seriously, nothing is worth their value in gold on the gem store. Why? Because they’re all valued in cash. That is the determining factor of their value. Their price in gold has gone up and up and up since the game came out. Give the game long enough, and a BLC key is going to cost 100+ gold, yet the cash price will always be the same.

That is because people drive them up by converting gold to gems instead of using real money. You know who you are!

So the fact remains that they are overly expensive and the only reason people buy them is that they are rare and hardly drop. 5 BL salvage kit is nothing I have a lot more Bloodstone dusts than that. If they really drop in game, that should be the amount we are talking about in order to make something common and dirt cheap so that they are worth nothing.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

tl;dr ANet can (and should) do anything they need to turn a profit, but that doesn’t mean players will embrace every change, especially if ANet fails to be upfront about the types of changes or the reasons the company thinks they are necessary.

I guess this player doesn’t mind then, as long as the price is fair.

The gem store is full of expensive items that are not worth their value in gold. The only reason why they get any sales is because they are unique. Items like BL salvage kit may be gotten as achievement rewards but they still rare. This is why if I want to extract an expensive upgrade I still need a BL salvage kit. Similarly for items like the Salvage O’Matic and the Bone Pick which don’t even drop. Or are you suggesting that ALL items in the gem store should be able to drop in the game? This is already not happening right now. A sprocket pick or salvage kit would fit right in with the rest of the items in the gem store.

Stormcrow.7513:

They are all pretty nasty. I don’t use my ascended quiver because of clipping issues as well

Clipping? I have my ascended quiver and I don’t see any of the clipping issues, but then again I am not using them on a charr.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

(And no, I don’t consider being able to buy gems with gold a method of acquiring those features by playing the game.)

And I wonder why…since that actually IS the point. You pay more to get more.

Even though you don’t want to consider a valid point against your own argument, doesn’t make the point any less valid.

Natsu Dragneel.1625:

In before the ‘pay-to-win’ people start crying about it.

You mean the people who complain about others who can then ‘pay-to-get-more-sprockets’?

Oh wait, we can already pay to get more sprockets…..

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

DarkSpirit.7046:

And people wonder why, when I keep saying that I find nothing worth buying in the gem store. I usually just convert my gems to gold.

you’re still here?…pfff fine comment whenever you like…i dont see why you’re still commenting on this when you alredy said this isnt going nowhere

I especially love to comment on threads that don’t go anywhere. Now threads that go somewhere though, that’s another matter.

And people wonder why, when I keep saying that I find nothing worth buying in the gem store. I usually just convert my gems to gold.

kokiman.2364:

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

kokiman.2364:

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

DarkSpirit.7046:

You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?

no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all

Posts like that won’t change anything as long as you/other people keep buying keys with real world money.

i use my own money not yours?
but the bottomline is…trying to get those tickets is just pure BS

No it’s not.
Buy 800 gems, turn them into gold. Now you have ~60-70g. That’s enough to get a 1-ticket skin from the TP

Which is why I called the BL keys a “trap” to the uninformed.

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

then why bother commenting on this topic? i m not talking about you..im talking about the developers?

I never said you are talking about me.

This thread serves no new purpose and would probably be closed soon. The developers already know that as they have already been told that so many times but they have not done anything. I guess the rare skins would continue to act like a trap to the uninformed to bring in more income for ANet.

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

sorry but i use my own money not yours?

If you are not complaining that they have wasted your own money, then I see no point in this topic.

BizzarreXGamer.7930:

DarkSpirit.7046:

You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?

no i do not..i do not usually check on forums and type on other peoples topics…but i only came here to say something to anet…that is all

Well if you have, then you wouldn’t have fallen into that trap.

Back on topic, yes, Anet needs to understand why we don’t buy BL keys. Too many science experiments have proven that they are a waste of money.

You haven’t been watching BL chests science experiments now, have you?

Rauderi.8706:

The only way gem costs go down is if other players invest in the gem supply AND exchange them for gold.

The problem is also that there is a stigma associated with people who buy gems with real money. So those people are discouraged by the community to buy gems with their real money which brings up the exchange rate even more.

The strange thing is that the community then complains when the exchange rate gets too high when they themselves are partly to be blamed.

DeWolfe.2174:

Where are you getting this “price” from? As the Black Lion Armor vendor is not selling them yet. Should you be buying keys for these, no. It’s a nice bonus when you do open a chest though.

The question is, is it still worth it to buy a key? Previously the answer was no, after all the science experimentations. Now, the answer is probably still no.

Continuing what I said above…Therefore the rising rate can still be an incentive for people to buy gems but with real money, even if all the items in the gem shop suck. This means that ANet only needs to make their gem store items attractive to those players who spend gold for gems and the players who spend real money for gems should follow.

ANet should profile those players who have been spending gold for gems, see what kind of gem store items they need/like, and how much gold they would spend for certain gem store items in order to bring up the exchange rate. This will in-turn draw in the players with real money as a result.

Aidan Savage.2078:

Thinking in terms of game currency for cash shop items is always flawed, especially since the price will simply continue rising. Why do you think it’s laughable about people complaining about the price of upgrade extractors?

Don’t forget even if I buy gems with real money, there is always the opportunity cost of converting my gems to gold versus buying gem shop items like BL keys, so the gem-gold conversion rate still matters as to what I would like to spend my gems on.

Therefore the rising rate can still be an incentive for people to buy gems but with real money, even if all the items in the gem shop suck.

Aidan Savage.2078:

Free? Hah. You forget that they care 0% what the cost in gold is. Gold cost will always change, but it’s cost in cash? Does not change at all.

As I have said, the advantage is too negligible to pay for, especially when I am not bursting in boosters in the first place.

If they ask for money/gold, I would have to calculate and dissect the cost through numbers since I am trained to think that way as an engineer.

Aidan Savage.2078:

As for the point? Look at the assortment listed above sitting in my bank. All boosts combined, you’re looking at 10-12 bag slots. With the boost powder, I can reduce that to 2-3 slots.

We are not saying it is totally useless, but how many gems are they charging for that again? 125 gems, which is more than 13g! Would you spend 13g for a saving of 8-9 bag slots in your example?

It just seems that is something they should be offering for free as the advantage is so negligible. And most of us are not overflowing with boosters in the first place to need this.

Zaxares.5419:

Hmm… While I appreciate the ability to save more bank space, it really doesn’t seem useful enough to drop gems on it.

This. ANet nowadays is like charging a lot of gems for a small tiny advantage. Comon ANet, stop penny-pinching…

One of the reasons that I chose to play this game is because it has a gem store to convert real money into gold. I can’t stand farming in the game for 10,000 times over and over. When I have to repeat an activity that I don’t enjoy for thousands of time, then it becomes like ‘a job’. I don’t want to have to come home to a second job when my real job is already taxing enough.

So if you don’t want to fork out the cash, then go farm. If I choose not to farm, then I fork out the cash for my gold. As long as the obtaining said item (i.e. gold in this case), has nothing to do with skills but it is just a function of time, then that is not a problem. Otherwise, kids with no real life responsibilities would always be richer in the game than adults who do, since they have more time. With the gem-gold conversion, it has that potential to even out.

silvermember.8941:

You are certainly not wiser than the people that choose to spend THEIR money. It is such a childish mentality to have and maybe you should stop projecting.

It depends on how much you value your own time. In terms of time spent farming, you spend less time per gold through real money than you spend in boring farming in the game.

Thanks. 12 chars

Yes I asked so many times but nobody seems to know where he is.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Where-is-the-Sonder-the-Seller/first#post4052762

blakdoxa.7520:

Wow a lot of you supporters have really talked yourself into believing this one…

Amazing…. NCSofts/Anets psych department is probably eating this kitten kaboodle up.

Better than being psyched by gold sellers into buying gold from them instead of ArenaNet. You would be paying for more of their annoying bots and spams instead.

Behellagh.1468:

Well you included a quote from me so … you can understand why you seemed to imply me.

Yeah my bad.

Behellagh.1468:

Dark, I’m all for encouraging players to buy gems with cash. I thought that was clear in my first post.

Yes I know. I was not referring to you specifically when I said “you”.

Behellagh.1468:

….. If you ask why they grind they will say to earn gold to buy enough gems to buy that thing at the Gem Shop….

And these guys are probably also the ones who complain that gem prices are too high and rising. Guess what, because people are discouraging others from buying gems with real money to bring down the price. Without them, the gem price would keep on rising with no limits.

Other than supporting ArenaNet, players who bought gems with real money are also keeping gold sellers out of business. Remember? The ones who keep messaging and annoying you in the game?

Fine if you don’t praise them for supporting your game, but you should at least stop persecuting them.

Just because you paid for the box doesn’t mean that you paid for the all servers, all the artwork, and dev work for X number of years to come. ArenaNet staff are real life human beings who need to pay mortgages, bills, and support their families, which implies a constant income. Where is this money going to come from if you have stopped paying them after buying the box?

Persecuting those players who are:

1. Supporting ArenaNet’s efforts in developing this game throughout.
2. Bringing down the cost of gems by converting gems to gold.

….would just be hurting the player community, including yourself. It is like holding your left hand with your right hand, then slapping yourself with it.

Flytrap.8075:

DarkSpirit.7046:

I see reddit down-voting and flaming whenever someone brings up converting gem to gold through the gem store.

Good.

Rewards earned solely through gold sinks and credit card swiping are extremely lame. Call me crazy, but I like to earn things through actual gameplay; I’m glad to know that there are people out there that feel the same way I do.

It is called paying so that myself and others (who are too lame to pay) can play the game.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I think the negative feelings are from the people who can’t afford to purchase Gems with real money. That leads to jealousy of people like us who have made a lot of Gem purchases.

They hurting themselves and the game while doing that by discouraging others from converting gems to gold:

1. Gem price keeps increasing relative to gold when they keep discouraging others from bringing down the price by converting the other way.
2. Without infusion of real income for ArenaNet, they hurt the game.

I see reddit down-voting and flaming whenever someone brings up converting gem to gold through the gem store. Please support this cause by up-voting them back up whenever you see this happening in reddit.

Seriously, I just don’t understand why all these “negative feelings”.

The game has been released for almost two years and all that time everyone knows that you can buy gems with real money and convert them into gold. If you don’t like that, then why do you even play this game? And what is even more ridiculous, you agreed to the terms of the game, then try to discourage others from buying gold with gems through the gem store.

Buying gems with real money and selling them for gold is an important earning for ArenaNet, considering that the exchange rate is favoring that as time goes on. Of all the items that you can get for your gems, gold seems to be more and more favorable, especially when more people have been converting gold to gems than the other way around. The GW2 economy is designed to be balanced this way, ever since beta.

Seriously, I just don’t understand why all these “negative feelings”?

The game has been released for almost two years and all that time everyone knows that you can buy gems with real money and convert them into gold. If you don’t like that, then why do you even play this game? And what is even more ridiculous, you agreed to the terms of the game, then try to discourage others from buying gold with gems through the gem store.

Buying gems with real money and selling them for gold is an important earning for ArenaNet, considering that the exchange rate is favoring that as time goes on. Of all the items that you can get for your gems, gold seems to be more and more favorable, especially when more people have been converting gold to gems than the other way around. The GW2 economy is designed to be balanced this way, ever since beta.

I can’t find an answer to this simple question. If no player knows, then can someone from ArenaNet help me out? Thanks.

nobody knows? Has this vendor been removed?

The wiki article seems to be outdated. I don’t think he is in Vigil keep anymore.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sonder_the_Seller

silvermember.8941:

1. Not really, all you manage to accomplish was show you don’t know what “generally” really means. The whole purpose of using generally was that there are exceptions.

Since you did not provide any scientific survey data to substantiate your point, what you are saying is only a matter of personal opinion, so it doesn’t matter if you think it is “generally” true or not. That is still an over-generalization to me.

Lankybrit.4598:

Presumably, there are more people buying the game all the time, and what about the China release?

They obviously wanted more money and market share so they did the extra work for a China release. If ANet didn’t think that they wanted more profits, they wouldn’t have setup the gem store, so you can use real money to buy stuff, in the first place.

silvermember.8941:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

lordkrall.7241:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

They just finished nerfing the last of the gold generating methods in the game. Pretty much the only way to get gold in a reliable manner is either a- playing the TP or b- with a credit card.

Hence the announcement.

Yeah, or running dungeons.
Or doing world bosses.
Or gathering materials and sell.

1. Nerfed with ferocity changes and dungeon changes. approximately 20% less gold per hour than before, currently still the best g/hr availible actually playing the game. Will likely be nerfed again soon.

2. Nerfed to oblivion with Mega server changes, over a 60% nerf, no longer viable

3. Also nerfed with mega server changes. Still viable for lower tier mats, no longer viable for T6.

The methods are getting less and less, and the output is getting smaller. Coincidentally, you can get more gold than ever from your credit card!

Let’s assume what you said is true.

In a way, your points actually work against you.

1. The people that buy gold with gems are also generally not min-maxers but casual players. Casual players are generally not min-maxers, at least not the ones to do the optimum dungeon route or tactics to maximize gold.

Considering the fact that I am one of the people who buy gold with gems, that statement is probably an “over-generalization”.

That is right, I just don’t understand why people here can be so illogical. If nobody pays ANet any real money, how do you think they pay their staff? With virtual gold?

People who dish out the real money are the ones directly keeping the game up and running. Yet others are persecuting them for using a legit method of converting gems to gold through the gem store! Ridiculous!

CaveSalamander.9150:

DarkSpirit.7046:

I have stopped farming and selling T6 materials ever since the megaserver update. I’ll be watching how much they would rise and it looks like I am not the only one who think their prices would rise.

http://www.guildwars2tradingpost.com/2014/05/only-362-people-will-get-to.html#.U3rBU_ldV8E

http://www.guildwars2tradingpost.com/2014/05/festival-of-four-winds-and-quartz.html#.U3rCwPldV8E

No offence but.. this thread has been dead for 22 days and now you want to chime in?

The first link sounds to me like someone trying to manipulate the market to their will- ori isn’t as hard to get as silk (no nodes) or karka shells (from mostly infrequently done content, the queen being exeption) so the price is unlikely to jump as dramatically. You can get around ~45 ori a day just from noding, add a couple salvages and it really isn’t that rare.
The article’s also not taking in account those who already have that amount. Hoarders exist, there’s no denying that.

The second article seems more reasonable.

The best argument is to just look at the current market data. If I am wrong, then the price of orichalcum ore shouldn’t be rising.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/19701

If you post something that contradicts current market data then you are attempting to manipulate the market, not me.

I have stopped farming and selling T6 materials ever since the megaserver update. I’ll be watching how much they would rise and it looks like I am not the only one who think their prices would rise.

http://www.guildwars2tradingpost.com/2014/05/only-362-people-will-get-to.html#.U3rBU_ldV8E

http://www.guildwars2tradingpost.com/2014/05/festival-of-four-winds-and-quartz.html#.U3rCwPldV8E

Coldin.2840:

Can we please get the material costs reduced on silk. It’s by far the most crazy expensive ingredient now.

Reduce Silk Bolts back to 2 scraps per bolt, and reduce the Ascended Spools down to 50.

From the title, I thought that there is “too much silk” in the TP and you complaining that Silk is too cheap and need to be more expensive! But actually you are complaining the opposite.