Guild Wars 2

Puck.9612:

wall of whine

EotM is now an established game mode and not something for the Dev’s to toy with. If anything, regular WvW has sadly become the more expendable mode. Just because you personally never liked EotM, doesn’t mean you are more important than an entire mode.

Btw, a BL map is not designed around a balanced three way fight. A balanced 3 way is an essential requirement for an EotM map. So no, the Desert or Alpine BL map cannot be used for EotM at all.

As I posted above, this request comes from individuals that have had it in for EotM since it launched. That’s why such it’s such an illogical request.

MSFone.3026:

Seriously worst idea, why would you suggest this over “get rid of desert BL altogether and bring back alpine.” Why try to wreck another part of the game?

Because they hate EotM and know this map would kill it just as it did to WvW. Yes, Desert is just that bad of a map, period. EotM stay’s as is because it works and players enjoy it daily. If anything, I believe it’s population has steadily increased since it launched. You don’t kill something that’s working well.

Sviel.7493:

As the person that was often popping those upgrades

Oh…. you did not just try to level yourself in the conversation? If that be the case Jr., then you obvious have a lot left to learn about the benefits of manual upgrades.

I agree with all 1-7 of the proposed changes.

EotM already has a far better map. Leave it alone.

GJ Mo, like what I’m reading.

For the WvW maps conversation, this “Oh but everyone I know……” give a flippin rest already. Then this, “Oh but people that love it just don’t use the forums” is an horrid excuse. Would you like to know who doesn’t use the forums, all those players that left the game! That’s the absolute best indicator of the new map not working. That player retention is down.

Have a little faith, it’s obvious Mo and the entire staff are trying.

That’s all fine and dandy but, the dev’s put in these F’n Division Threshold requirements. If those weren’t there then I wouldn’t care about winning matches as much.

I’m about 3 feet off the floor with rage right now. There’s a very high probability this season is going to give me fraggin heart attack. Here, I’ve been raging for a couple weeks over being stuck in Ruby Hell. 5 days ago I had a 12 game tilt, 12 games! So I took 5 days off and returned last night. I lost my first and then win 6 straight. Feeling good and back up to the Top of T4. So I log out.

I logged in just an hour ago feeling good about getting Diamond tonight. I hit Solo Q for SH and the first game begins. I ask the Ele to escort and I get no reply. I ask for a couple of things and get no reply. The Ele does nothing but run to mid and say “I can’t help right now I have no utilities or weapons.” That’s the crud I’m getting matched with. Of course we lose and there goes a Pip and 30 minutes.

I solo Q again and the match begins. This time I ask if anyone wants to switch for a better comp. Then I ask for escort’s and I get nothing. Then I bark a “HI HELLO! Trying to win here!” and I get a reply of “I’m used to losing don’t care anymore”. I ask why they are even playing and get told, “Reward Tracks”. Of course we lose but, this person at least played a bit. There’s goes another Pip and 30 minutes lost.

So here’s the utter Bunk that we’re stuck with. One person completely trolling and another just Q’ing to lose. Meanwhile, we all deserve to be in the Division we’re in, right? If I could punch a person thru the internet, I would have clobbered both of them. Cost me an hour of my life and now needing another hour just to get those two Pips back “IF” I get two good matches.

GFG

For myself, I’ve always averaged 2 or 3 matches an hour playing Stronghold. The queue for me was always long and last week right before a massive tilt, I hit the 30 minute queue too. Those Q’s and the tilt stopped me from playing for now. So I believe many have simply left sPvP until next season.

Here, let me wiki this for you….

Shambling Horror’s ability is listed as:
“The Shambling Horror absorb damage for their master as long as they are attacking.”

Working as intended!

SoPP.7034:

GW2 has changed a lot since its vanilla days and some would say for the worse.

When it comes to being “the worse”, in general and in life, I know where I could start forming a list. By the way OP, how can you state in another thread that you are aware of the design flaws of this season and complain it’s the players fault? Seriously???

Hubris.7436:

As far as I’m concerned, people have an overblown opinion of how good they are

Hubris.7436:

I’m saying I can win with teammates like those.

All with an account name of “hubris”. I’m not the only one seeing this right?

Hey folks, you can stop white knighting already, Dev’s already admitted to recognizing some problem with this season.

Browrain.7346:

Ty for posting this Eura. However, as you can see people will completely disregard what you say to convince themselves it’s the system keeping them down, not their own skill level. I don’t think anything can convince them otherwise, even if an ANet dev came in here and straight up said mmr hell doesn’t exist.

So, from another thread where an Anet Dev came in and said this yesterday

This is a really great analysis. I appreciate all the work you put into this. We recognize the problems that the season 2 matchmaking is causing and are looking into solutions that will provide a good experience and satisfy our goals for the league system.

Earlier in the thread I posted:

Those matches were so slow and so little combat in them, I’d think I was watching EU matches.

Later in the thread:

This was just my alt EU account

F’n knew it just by watching. Please, do not compared EU matches to NA matches. It’s like apples and oranges, really.

Jekkt.6045:

yes your teammates are very bad sometimes, but so are your opponents.

No, no, and NO! Matrch making takes MMR to build a team. Then match making uses Pip Range to find an opposing team. It does not try, at all, to find an opponent of similar MMR to make a competitive match. So when we have Joe Legendary here running on Alt account, which many are doing, its the perfect example of how lower MMR players can be matched against high MMR players in lower divisions.

Eurantien.4632:

I’m getting the impression that If I want to get into MMR Hell I need to lose a lot? I need to do it at the beginning of diamond or ruby

Or, you can build a 5 man out of non MMR believers and tank matches until the account is under 50% win rate. Then try to Solo Q and see how it goes. Though you already missed out on Ruby Hell, which appears to be the worst kind of hell from what has been described.

Eurantien.4632:

any sort of MMR mysticism.

At the beginning of the Ruby video you have a fairly new account with a 70% win rate. Of course that accounts MMR is going to be higher than an older established account. Previous seasons and ladders were designed to provide a competitive environment and keep everyone near 50% win rate. So yes, a new account can have a much easier time in S2 than any previous season or ladder.

Yes, a good player taking a new account into S2 will get fast tracked to Diamond/Legendary with easy matches. That’s the whole point of the MMR complaints of S2.

Also, I watched the first few matches of Ruby and couldn’t believe what I was watching. Do you really believe those were difficult or challenging matches? To me those were milk run at best. Seriously, what does the combat tab look like after these matches? My Ruby matches have a lot more effort going into them and still getting loses. I’m consistently dishing out damage in the 700-800k range and upwards of 1.1 million range. That’s the amount of work and effort I’m putting into my Ruby matches. Those matches were so slow and so little combat in them, I’d think I was watching EU matches.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

I don’t think this is as big of an issue as you make it out to be. I only get something like 3 new gold sellers per week and it takes 2 seconds to block each one.

Excuse me what? I get hammered whenever I try to PvP. I’ve had 32-33 consecutive whispers from Gold Seller’s. Also, I do not appreciate the ever growing block list. Can’t tell me there won’t be performance issues with it.

I notice that I had to try to double and even triple stomp players this week. Only to just cleave them dead because stomping was futile. It’s either a bug or player shenanigans. Also getting really annoyed by the “stuck” bug on my Ele.

Sounds like a sound decision. I know it may aggravate folks but, shifting the focus to more PvE content and LW is for the best. Think about the Legendary collections themselves. Those collections are what takes so long to create, not the shiny skin itself. With new content in game it’ll give the dev’s more to use to create said Legendary collections. I think making the content, then following up with another batch of Legendaries is the best course of action.

The game is bleeding and burning out player’s who are still grinding HoT content for Masteries and Guild Hall’s. We’re starved for new content that’s light hearted and fun. Nothing too difficult and nothing with mobs that one shot. The dev’s need to turn way down their desire to troll players and make something fun.

Ultron.5734:

not a bad Wall of Text

-[OnS]Malevolent IDK why I logged into this account.

Though would love to see you and Indo (if he even played) come in here and acknowledge that pushing YB up to T1 hurt the Tier. It was a fun first week and then became old fast.

The expansion was bad enough on the mode, the Dev’s manually locking out servers was another epic blunder no one admits to.

Virtute.8251:

TorquedSoul runs away from orange swords to capture a camp for tick and feels good about it.

FTFY

Celeras.4980:

Jumpin Lumpix.6108:

Celeras.4980:

Lmao, what a joke. People have streamed all kinds of accounts to legendary. I have personally have already done a no-HoT f2p warrior.

Not good enough. We have to throw FIFTY games first. As in cause 200 other players to lose, intentionally. I don’t think I could lose 50 times if I were AFK, not to mention what a kitten move it would be to even try.

Ya’ll are grasping at straws looking for any excuse to avoid the obvious: you are not very good.

f2p accounts have 50% mmr which is much higher win ratio then an account with a loss streak. So no its not grasping at straws, you need to lose about 50 times so you can simulate low MMR and the situation that creates. If you make a new F2p account and you win you will get good teamates and win streaks, this proves nothing. Did you even read my post?

getting into a situation where your MMR is low and you are on a loss streak is the most important factor to MMR hell, any other factor, such as streaming on a f2p account with a non meta build is almost irrelevant to this variable.

Yeah, I read your post. I also read the part where you thought full capping far by yourself was a good way to carry a bad team.

I asked for an account in so-called MMR hell. Nobody wants to pony up. I’m not throwing 50 games and causing 200 teammates to lose. That’s the opposite of what I do.

You realize we cannot share accounts, right? So how would you ever experience what we’re experiencing? Simply teaming with you would skew the match because matchmaking would never place you in the team. From a lower MMR perspective, the game experience you have had has been and will always be different from what others are having. More so if we play Stronghold and you do not.

For me, as I posted elsewhere, this season is nothing more than a “Snowflakes Paradise”. Where work and effort are not only meaningless, it’s detrimental. If I’m having a losing streak, I want to work and earn my way out of it, right then and there. Instead, in this system, I’m supposed to log and not play PvP for a few days. Yes, that’s an incredibly bad message to give players. Like right now, I should be playing but, not even logged in. After yesterdays 12 game tilt, there’s no way that I can.

GFG Anet… GFG

Volcanus disagrees….

Gunlaugr.2716:

According to what you say, it is not your fault that you lose the games. OK
By any stretch of imagination, if you keep dropping in MMR and get paired with more crappy teammates, you also face more crappy opponents.

See… THAT…. that right there is where you are mistaken. Matches are made with two teams and within each team are players of similar MMR. Though the MMR range is exclusive to the individual team only. The teams MMR is not taken into consideration for pairing against, only Pip range. So you can in fact have one team comprised of very high MMR facing off against another team of much lower MMR. That is the issue with this season and these lop sided streaks. That it is by design forcing lopsided matches to push high MMR players into Diamond and Legendary quickly. Though no consideration was given to all the other players that are being used as cannon fodder.

Browrain.7346:

godsie.2864:

Browrain.7346:

Pass me the account info. I’ll get it out of “mmr hell” and into legendary for you.

Why not just team up with POP instead of having his account info

Because I don’t need to team up with anyone. I did it solo. My friend did it solo. Hell, half the people in my guild are diamond or legendary at this point. Most of them solo or duo q’d. But we must ALL be blessed to have great teammates every game and high mmr amirite?

What was your MMR before and how did you perform in Amber and Emerald? I have another account that has only been used in Custom Arena’s and I’m really tempted to go use it. Though if I did, and sailed to Diamond, I’d quit the game outright. Any system that could be so utterly hateful and bent, I could not support.

Azukas.1426:

DeWolfe.2174:

This is yesterday and this is today. I can’t win today no matter what I say or do or try.
From T5 Ruby to T2 now …

After 2 losses in a row you need to walk away.

If you HAVE to play you need to party up with players of your own skill level so you can get some wins.

Oh no, I just use my time in Q to cultivate my rage and research VooDoo. There’s certainly some folks that’s are going to get a whammy.

You have to be some seriously hateful folks to make a system like this.

This is yesterday and this is today. I can’t win today no matter what I say or do or try. I try to talk and post tatics in chat before the match. I swap professions as needed. There’s just nothing….
From T5 Ruby to T2 now …

Editing to add, my last match, I was even barked at by two players for being “rude” for swapping. Yes, you read that right, rude for swapping. And, it was a match of 5 Ruby’s vs 4 Ruby’s and a Sapphire. Guess which side I was on and which had the Sapphire? Yeah, I’m basically nothing more than cannon fodder. I’d love to let someone use my account and experience this. There’s just no words to describe it really.

Ayrilana.1396:

Congrats by the way!

Except, the crap matchmaking has been going on all night. Back down to T3 now……
That’s yesterday screen shot and what today has been.

What’s not very smart about the matchmaking is that it will form a team around similar MMR’s and yet, match you against any MMR in the pip range. It’s not “Hey, this person is really good, let’s put him on team A.” Then, “this person is second best let’s balance it and put him on team B”. It’s let’s take all the good and put them here and the bad there and make them fight each other for lulz.

As one of the folks in that match, I too was like “WTF???”. The day before, an 80% win rate. Tonight, I lost 8 or 9 in a row. This match being one of them. It’s just “WTF” tonight on every level. I just logged out of the game after going from T5 down to T3.

Meanwhile, another fun factoid, “Gun Flame” is double procing again! Was 100-0’d that match by Gun Flame. Combat log show’s “Gun Flame” next to “Gun Flame” for 9,601.

And, literally a couple of seconds after pressing send on the post above, I get a connection

Same here!

Was logged in and playing, then logged out for the patch, and now Connection Error. It’s obviously not my system or connection.

That’s kinda what happens when matchmaking is pooling players of similar MMR per team but, not matching teams by MMR, only Pip ranges.This leads to a high degree of variance in teams.

sparc.3649:

DeWolfe.2174:

Please DO scrap the DBL. People who like the DBL just want to PvE in a PvP zone. We need Alpine back for a better PvP experience.

And that’s where “people” went wrong. It is neither PvE -OR- PvP, it is supposed to be WvW. Like a “war”, containing elements of BOTH, NOT * just * PvP.

If you want a better “PvP experience” then go to PvP, or Obsidian Sanctum… WvW is supposed to be PvE, PvP, and siege wars… ALL of the above! Hell, go EoTM, they seem to like “BAGZ” in there – I’m always seeing people wanting nothing more than “FIGHTZ” in there! You may have fun there too, huge BLOB fests of “LETZ FIGHTZ AND GET DEM BAGGZ”!

So no, do NOT scrap the new maps. They were exactly what many WvWers asked for, new maps that wouldn’t induce this crappy ZERG/BLOB mentality. You want your silly blob/zerg “FIGHTZZ” then go OS/EOTM/PVP/EB!

Frankly, even if we lost ALL of those people that misunderstood WvW to mean “zerg fights”, I’d be 100% fine with that – because that’s NOT what WvW is all about. Otherwise objectives and NPC mobs wouldn’t exist in the first place!

Speaks the person whom has said they PVDoors all night long. Take the Desert map and turn it into a PvE zone then! WvW is about PvP over environments/territory. Not fighting the environment itself.

Kayberz.5346:

DeWolfe.2174:

Kayberz.5346:

People citing 10+lose streaks are either having an UNGODLY amount of bad luck ( i doubt it), OR they really just arnt as good as they claim to be

I had a 15 game losing streak last week. I just kept Q’ing to see how long it would last. The system is broken in that it creates very high winning streaks and losing streaks. Most of it is based on how you performed in Amber. As a person already pointed out, he’s having no trouble on an alt account. This system is basically a, “once you’re screwed, you’re screwed”. That matchmaking will consider you a “bottom 5” player and place you with other “bottom 5” players to fight against those deemed “top 5 players”. So if you made it into the category of “Top 5 player” in Amber you’ll have a much easy time all the way up if you keep playing consistently.

That is completely bullkitten, your entire league matchmaking is NOT determined by how you did in amber, thats just one of many BS “boogie man” excuses bad players are coming up with to explain why they lose all the time

Nope, why don’t you go and reread the Feb 18th description of how match making would work this season. You are paired with players within your Pip range and skill level. You are matched against players within your Pip range only, disregarding skill level. Thus, if you were simply playing around in Amber and not caring about your MMR, good luck climbing out of MMR Hell later. You’ll consistently be matched with similar MMR levels. It’s a system of have’s and have not’s to allow fast progress of the “Gud” players. Then of course we have these daily’s that we have to do and that is keeping our MMR from decaying/resetting.

btw, how many YB are going to zerg this thread about “BG”?
Yeah, thought so….

RodOfDeath.5247:

They became JQs servant. Break away from JQs tyranny and you will succeed, guilds will come, players will come but nobody wants to be someones political lap dog

Absolutely correct, that ’s why BG is hitting JQ BL right now and not YB BL.
Makes sense, good laugh.

So when 49% of the US population lives in EST, making it 10pm doesn’t sound too late?
<sigh>

It’s better but, still worthless for a good portion of NA.

Kayberz.5346:

People citing 10+lose streaks are either having an UNGODLY amount of bad luck ( i doubt it), OR they really just arnt as good as they claim to be

I had a 15 game losing streak last week. I just kept Q’ing to see how long it would last. The system is broken in that it creates very high winning streaks and losing streaks. Most of it is based on how you performed in Amber. As a person already pointed out, he’s having no trouble on an alt account. This system is basically a, “once you’re screwed, you’re screwed”. That matchmaking will consider you a “bottom 5” player and place you with other “bottom 5” players to fight against those deemed “top 5 players”. So if you made it into the category of “Top 5 player” in Amber you’ll have a much easy time all the way up if you keep playing consistently.

Here’s the reality of Ruby Hell…..

I log in and solo queue up for over 10 minutes. I get placed against a 4 man and one of my “teammates” is already raging. Why is this person I’m stuck with raging, he said he’s been stuck fighting this same 4 man for 4 or so times in a row. We of course lose and their goes a Pip.

I solo queue up again for another 10+ minutes. I get stuck facing this same 4 man again, thought without the raging teammate. We of course lose and their goes a Pip.

I queue up again for another 9+ minutes. I do not get stuck facing a 4 man but, it’s a duo or trio this time. No raging teammate either but, half the match is spent arguing over the definition of a term in relevance to tactics. Long story short, their goes a Pip.

In the end, I logged in for an hour and over half my time was spent sitting in the lobby in queue. In one hour all I received for my time and efforts were three lost matches, three lost pips, and an hour of stress and aggravation. It’s an absolutely horrible season, the worst I’ve played in. It’s just a bad experience in every way possible.

Shala.8352:

godsie.2864:

Shala.8352:

Win loss win loss win loss for a week. Then i started a win streak of 20+ and get out of ruby hell. But i can tell that, differently from what the dev said, it wasnt my skill “improving” that decided that was the time i got out of the ruby hell. I played exactly how i played the matches before. Maybe good players managed to get out of ruby this week, so it made my games easier to climb. But still, wasnt me improving XD. Also i cant stop thinking that was the matchmaking deciding me to go up, especialy when a week ago i always got 3-4 necros against, then they diminuished to 1-2 this week, allowing my revenant to be able to play and outrotate them. Also, necros i got in these last 20 games didnt watch my scepter autoattack spam video, so it was easier to deal with them. I cant say they were less skilled (cuz i dont feel there is ANY skill in necro gameplay to start of), but maybe good players are finaly climbing up and this will allow players to climb up to diamond more easily?

I doubt it

mmm… also i can add i had a 5 days break cuz of necro rage before getting the 20+ win streak. So i was even less “trained” the games i won. Is the matchmaking trying to compensate my “rage” by giving me wins good team comp, in the hope i wont definetely leave the game and stop using that gem shop?? XD XD

A part of matchmaking is based on how frequently we play. Your 5 day’s off allowed your MMR to reset a bit.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

same exact group of like 20 people

Because sPvP is a niche mode with an incredibly small population. Split them up in these divisions (hence the word division) and there you have why you’re fighting the same people day in, day out.

Please DO scrap the DBL. People who like the DBL just want to PvE in a PvP zone. We need Alpine back for a better PvP experience.

Agemnon.4608:

People want to have cool kid privileges and aspire to be cool kids themselves.

I’m here to have fun and play a video game. What the Heck this all about, I don’t even….. Here’s this might help.

Mind you, if I wanted to build something, it would be for everyone to enjoy, not a select few.

They are situational and depends on the enemy team comp. I swap them at the beginning of each match as needed.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Getting ‘stuck’ in ruby is a very important topic regarding how best league should operate. We changed matchmaking to make the ladder more prestigious and so far it has done that. Divisions are aligning with skill level much better than season 1. The product of this change is that the bulk of players who hover around the middle of the mmr curve should stay in sapphire and ruby. Win rate will level out at 50% because there are plentiful players of similar mmr in the same division.

Should average players be able to climb out of the middle divisions by grinding? This removes prestige and can make matchmaking worse within a division, but always allows a sense of progression.

Should average players stay in the middle divisions because that’s where they belong at their skill level? This retains prestige and only improving skill will allow climbing, but rewards and progression stop at some point through the season.

Is there an incentive that could be added to league games for players who have reached their appropriate division and can no longer climb?

Evan, I utterly disagree with your assessment. I know it’s not popular with the younger generations but, there is “Prestige” to be earned by doing work! Yes, by doing work and earning it the hard way. Take these “Pro Players” in EU achieving Legendary in a day. It’s trivial to easy for them. When a less skillful player plays double to triple the amount of games to rank up, they also accumulated more wins than these “Legendary in a Day” folks. They’ve fought longer and harder than these “Pro” players. There should absolutely be Prestige in that! To take the pounding and keep striving and pushing forward, there should be Prestige in that. What you created this season is nothing more than a Snowflakes Paradise.

I don’t know if kids today even had a Gym class. Though in my day, even in the earliest grades of Elementary school, we used to create teams in a balanced state. Where it almost always ended up the best player went to side “A”, second best to side “B”, so on and so forth. What we have in Ranked now is more akin to the top 5 on side “A” and the bottom 5 on side “B”. That is an extremely poor way to make a match.

Supreme.3164:

Like seriously….I’m a freaking paying customer who still invest in gems and skins, have I got the rights to have a fair game without being griefed by others?

Have I not the rights to a fair game without being grieved by others?

FTFY

For the topic itself, if anyone enters a match with less than a full 5 man team, then it’s expected of them to be playing at their best and for the win. Anything less than that is unsportsmanlike like and should be looked into for banning.

Pyriall.1683:

Riku.1093:

Hm I didnt know that gave stability.

If it isn’t clear by now, the OP is trolling everyone.

I watched both videos, read to page 3 if this thread, and coming to the same realization. Just wasted 15 minutes of my life for now.

GFG OP… GFG

In the off chance this thread is the slightest bit sincere, yes there’s room for improvement on your skill level and situational awareness. Your builds are not as efficient as they can be and your capacity to take advantage of said build is lacking. In your Ele video, right at the first engage, you already had me screaming at the screen like the guy from “Jersery Shore” meme. Here, let’s take the very basic premise that you wish to be a “Support Ele”. So you build around the Cleric Amulet and Staff which is good. Though you proceeded to camp Air Attunement which has no healing at all, like absolutely none. A Staff’s healing comes from Water and simply auto attacking would have provided more support than what you achieved in that video. The next evolution would be building around Aura Sharing and then the topic of fields and how to proc them.

To be honest, we could all write pages of tips and insight on the subject. The thing is this level of learning should be done in a Custom Arena or Unranked.