Guild Wars 2

To add to what Jayne said, NA midday is EU prime time so you’ll definitely have people to play with on EU servers. Most NA servers are ghost towns outside of afternoon-night time whereas a lot of EU server have 24/7 presence.

If you’re worried about being outnumbered then EU is probably where you should look. NA WvW is where night-capping and population disparity is most prevalent. The vast majority of EU server are relatively equal in strength. T3 servers can actually compete against T1 servers. Just look at Mos.

How can this be a press release when there’s no press?

Blackarps.1974:

We’ve had some pretty bad ones. Its something you just have to deal with and not let it get to you. There were players a few months ago that would siege cap us by building dozens of useless rams around our keep. It eventually got boring and probably too expensive and they stopped/left (this was before siege was sellable on the TP).

I do know the blatant trolls or spies get reported directly to Anet from our more serious players but I’m unsure if any action is taken by Anet.

That is sabotage, not spying. Two completely different things.

Desolation, Aurora Glade, Gandara or Underworld are your best bets. They have the largest PvE populations. Either of these four will be fine. Blacktide and Seafarer’s Rest are “Very High” for different reasons. Desolation is overall the highest populated EU server.

IoJ lost its guilds for a completely different reason. Nothing to do with fighting bigger servers.

Let’s take a moment to wish DIE all the best as they seek out greener pastures and shorter queues. Have fun in Ebay!

Every single league is a one/two horse race. What did you expect with 9 servers per league?
NA Gold – BG & JQ
EU Gold – Vizunah Square
NA Silver – FA & SBI
EU Silver – Desolation
NA Bronze – HoD & SF
EU Bronze – DL & RoS

It will always be like this because servers have different strengths. Only way to avoid this is to have each server be equal in strength and you know that isn’t possible with 9 servers.

Insyder.3871:

How is this still not fixed? After running into ele who destroyed my AC on top of thick keep gate with dragon tooth that even firestorm coud not reach I ran to next tower and placed AC inside the tower. After zerg capped that keep they went for next tower where I was waiting on AC. Didn’t matter that AC was inside the tower, that ele still was able to kill it…

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That is terrible AC placement. Learn how “range” works and you’ll know that ac’s can be built much, much further back….. outside of dragon’s tooth range.

Changing transfer costs will NOT change anything. Here’s why:

1)If a guild wants to move, they WILL move. No matter the cost.
2)Many servers will partially or fully pay the transfer costs for those guilds anyways so, again, money isn’t a concern.
3)You’ve made free transfers possible to “medium” population servers in the past. For NA those were the low tiers ones and it did not make a single difference at all. For EU, it didn’t change anything either (other than 2 high tier servers getting mass transferred).The reason people don’t go down there isn’t because of the price…. it’s because of the quality of the wvw. Hardcore WvW guilds don’t want to fights doors, pug zergs or pve guilds. They want to fight other hardcore wvw guilds and you can’t find many of those in the low tiers. Many guilds/players also want to be able to play wvw at any time of the day (24/7). Only high tier servers can provide that.

If you change prices all it will do is act as a bigger gold sink and fill your pockets with more money. Nothing else.

Anet…….. fixing this issue is going to negatively impact one group of players no matter what solution. You can’t please everyone and this is a problem that is going to need a harsh but fair solution. I’m starting to favor reducing map caps more and more as I think about. It will solve almost EVERY issue with WvW right now.

Reducing map caps will:
1)Reduce the effects of skill lag – a huge problem as well
2)Tone down the power of offensive siege – less people → less supply → less omega golems
3)Solve stacking. The real problem right now is coverage and each server’s off-peak population. Getting top tier servers to destack but only have NA guilds leave won’t solve anything….. they’ll still have their massive off-peak presence that is triple/quadruple the size of servers lower down. Oceanic/SEA/EU prime time is where the destacking needs to happen and right now there’s nothing to encourage it because the queues aren’t bad for them. Reducing map caps will make these off-peak timezones experience the kind of queues that T1 servers are currently experiencing during NA prime time – this will promote real destacking. This also means that smaller servers won’t have to deal with 80 man blobs during off-peak and trying to defend with only 30 people. 30 people can handle 50.
4)Edge of the Mists is going to come out. Yes, reducing map caps will make queues worse but instead of standing around in boredom, people can still play WvW while waiting in queue but at least population disparity won’t be such a huge problem since it won’t have such a gigantic influence on the score (less so than now at least).

The map cap right now is about 100. I think dropping it to 50 is a little extreme but 75 I can see working out quite well.

Jeydra.4386:

At the moment BG is fully queued on all four maps almost all the time, 24 hours. With such a population BG cannot lose by a wide margin, unless double-teamed.

I’ll grant that in the first week of the league SoR and JQ both fielded zergs on all four maps as well, so they’re capable of competing, but considering BG still squeezed out a win – and BG have only gotten stronger after that first week – I don’t see any reason it won’t happen again. The only way BG don’t win is if it gets 2v1’ed.

Well the 5th week will decide whether JQ still has a chance. The last time BG and JQ fought, BG got stomped. JQ is still stronger during oceanic-sea and I doubt they would give up like SoR. BG got ZDs but JQ got a euro guild recently as well.

Andrew Clear.1750:

Remember, they only beat YB by 80k, and I believe most of that came during the week. We are doing much better against YB.

According to Mos, FA beat YB by 97k. YB is not trying this week. Also, the 3rd server (IoJ) is much, much smaller than the 3rd server last week (CD). CD has off-hour presence, IoJ doesn’t. Completely different match dynamic.

I know you guys have received a whole heap of transfers over the past 2 weeks so you guys will surely be stronger. We’ll just have to see whether FA can keep up, since they won’t have the pve’ers to back them up next time.

Cynz.9437:

what if a pve’er wants to play with irl friends and they play on t1 server?

They can guest.

azizul.8469:

uh…. is OP from JQ or SoR ?

if from JQ no need QQ coz JQ will have easier match ups than BG/SoR….

Quite obvious just from reading his 2nd post.

Kaineng – Special K

Hinado.6291:

Well one way to adress server transfers without interfering with the rest of the game (like forbidding transfer to high population servers, which might be something bad in some rare cases) would be to make it FREE to transfer AWAY from overpopulated WvW servers (maybe only to low populated WvW servers). This would allow people that are stuck on servers with long queues (that don’t transfer because of the cost) help in a big way. Also let guild leaders take their guild (with all upgrades!) to another server because most active WvW players are part of a WvW guild and this would allow guilds from overpopulated servers to transfer the whole guild for free and without any drawbacks to low populated WvW servers!

This would allow players and guilds to leave overpopulated servers without loosing anything.. and there are no major drawbacks (at least none that I can think of) for any player…

Making the transfer free would also allow to forbid transfers to that servers! Let’s say a player (in most cases a PvE player I guess) wants to join that server for the only reason that some friends are playing on that server. If transfer is forbidden he obviously can’t do that but his friends can change severs for free! So they still have the possibility to play with each other and if you implement guild transfers they can also take the guild that they made with them!

I like your idea but how would you define a what a low-populated server and a high-populated server is? Base on rank? Where do you draw the line? What about mid ranked servers?

I can see this scenario: Server A is high ranked so cannot get transfers so they intentionally tank their rank so that they can get more transfers in.

Another scenario: Server is high ranked but there are servers with much a larger wvw population (eg JQ vs TC) so it prevents that server from making any “progress”. What will it do? Do they have to accept the fact that their server is locked from transferring and will never reach the heights of servers that are higher up? Does it tank? Does is not?

Or another: Guild wants to transfer to a low rank server. Do they go to the top ranked low rank server or the lowest of the lowest? Answer is obvious here….. and what happens as a result? A mid ranked server drops down so they will get the next batch of transfers (assuming it would happen).

Also wvw guilds don’t care about guild upgrades. Making upgrades transferable between server only hurts low ranked servers more since there is nothing to stop guilds from leaving them now….
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I think the best solution would just be locking transfers to particular (T1) servers. It’s that simple. They don’t need anymore people and the constant inflow of guilds to those servers is what is causing even further bandwagoning. Only reason any of those servers get guilds is because another one got a guild. Lock transfers to all three and it’ll be over. Who gives a crap about pvers wanting to transfer to “play with friends” they still can, it’s call guesting.

No such thing as server pride, only guild pride.

Well yea… in a three-way, each server’s strong timezones are nullified by one of the other servers but in a 1v1 the coverage gaps become more apparent.

DKNS.2135:

Werat.7063:

Titan.3472:

Grats SoS for kicking SoR from EB and taking their keep, very impressive work !

Its a silly thing considering there seems to be some deal from some parts to 2v1 against sor which i dont approve but get told that sor would do the same given the chance. And our farming crowd is always up for stuff like. If sor had wanted they could have wiped our eternal corner out of the way but everyone is hung up on the sm flipping.
Once the weekend has ended the world will look quite different again.

Doubt it’s intentional but could be because SoR is against two servers who hate it the most. And yes SoR did do the same during it’s days in T1 with SoS and JQ leading to the segregation of SoS.

It’s not that both servers hate SoR but that both are firm advocates of intentional 2v1s. They do it every chance they get.

Punishing the larger population server just because they’re a larger population server sounds like a good idea…

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Sea of Sorrows would be a great place to go. Your former server mates EP are already there and of the list of potential servers, SoS has the lowest queue times (if they even exist). Although I wouldn’t consider any of those servers as low tier…..

Watch as this thread turns into yet another server recruitment thread.
I’ll give you an impartial breakdown.

There is no Oceanic Server. There are multiple servers with oceanic populations so not one can claim superiority at this state. Since you intend to focus the majority of your time in WvW, I’m going to assume you want to run in an organized group and not just run in pug zergs. The servers which have organized oceanic wvw guilds are:
Blackgate – NOC, KING, MERC (II)
Sanctum of Rall – HIRE, OCX, XPK
Jade Quarry – MERC (I), TKG
Fort Aspenwood – NV, uA, Meow
Sea of Sorrows – TS, bear, CB

I’m sure I’ve missed some but the above should cover most of it. Obviously the T1 servers (BG/SoR/JQ) will have much more people on since they have a higher population overall but FA/SoS will also be able to provide enough allies to play with.

In terms of which servers can reliably get a big zerg of mainly militia during Oceanic prime time, then I would add Tarnished Coast and Stormbluff Isle to the list. These two servers don’t have any actual oceanic guilds to my knowledge but they do have oceanic players who utilize their server voip to coordinate their zerg.

How is SoR ticking so low during oceanic-sea prime even after gaining all those guilds in the weeks leading up to leagues (FRAG, AT, Ph) and BG losing so many guilds (MERC, TKG, SUPR, WM)? Looking at the number of guilds and how much they field, SoR should have almost double the numbers of BG during this timezone O.o

Or is it because KnT is playing 24/7 again? Like that week when MERC left.

It’s random.

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ShredsAndPatches.3417:

Not sure I understand the wall-repairing answer, I’m asking about cases where the commanders have chosen not to defend, so no, that supply won’t be used instead for siege in the lord’s room or anywhere else. I guess you mean the people complaining about this aren’t talking about cases where a server has committed to constant flipping? I’m basically trying to make sure there’s no reason not to use the siege on maps where people have decided not to defend anything.

If a wall is getting hit by a cata/treb, don’t repair it until the cata/treb has been destroyed.
If your commander is telling you not to fix the wall and to let your opponent cap it without any resistance, then he’s probably karma training.

When your commander tells you to push, that means to starts using your skills on the enemy zerg. If you’re a light armor class you shouldn’t stand right on the commander tag. Instead, you should be at the periphery, outside of the kill zone (where everyone drops their aoes) and away from your melee. There are lots of exceptions though (plague necros, d/d eles etc) so you should probably tell us what class & build you use…..

Windler.4815:

we’re not the ones that created or wanted this mess.

Then why did you guys go out of your way to recruit more guilds? JQ got what it wanted. Hope you enjoy the boredom.

^DPS is on Fort Aspenwood. I don’t think Borlis Pass has any Singaporean guilds but they have a commander that runs during that timezone. You can get on their server teamspeak and follow him.

BlackAngel.1349:

Deli.1302:

If you’re going to change the way waypoints work then you’re going to have to do something about golems (alphas and omegas) and ram mastery.

Golems and traited superior rams currently burn gates down (reinforced or not) faster than a defensive force can get there.

Have scouts, waypoint before the keep gets contested. You have a 30 second window before the keep comes up as contested after it has been attacked, enough time to waypoint if you have proper scouting. Although they should lower the damage of omegas a bit or increase the supply needed because a server that has a t3 keep fairly well defended can take all of its supply and build 5-6 omegas and head out without a worry.

The waypoint gets immediately contested once the gate/wall is hit. No 30s delay. Also, Mesmer portals. You don’t play very much do you?
Even in its current state, putting a waypoint in a keep is pretty much the ONLY way you can defend it against a golem rush, scouted or not. If a keep didn’t have a waypoint, guess how long it would take for the defensive force to get there……
You think a defensive force can get out of combat, port to spawn and run all the way to the keep before the golems have reached the gates?

UltraHiDef.4809:

To fix the balance issue can’t be any simpler. Leagues should be what they imply, teaming up of servers. Strong servers and a weaker server are to be teamed against some others of different matchups like BG VS. JQ VS. SoR as one match up and the other FA VS. MAG VS. TC. Like jq+FA vs. BG+ Maguuma SoR+TC.
The teaming process is to allow people of allied servers to be able to guest to the other’s match up and help the allied servers if their coverage is in trouble and the allied servers with thw most War Points wins.
There was a vvideo about this and I can link it if you want.

What happens if there’s bad blood between two servers that get allied with one another? I don’t think JQ and Dragonbrand want to be allies…. or SoR+TC

If you’re going to change the way waypoints work then you’re going to have to do something about golems (alphas and omegas) and ram mastery.

Golems and traited superior rams currently burn gates down (reinforced or not) faster than a defensive force can get there.

ykyk.2740:

Why do people keep transferring to the top 3.

Go to Mags and SoS. kittenmit it’s like nobody understands it’s a 6-server league.

I’d really like to know about this as well. ZDS, BuLL, WIC: why did you pick T1 servers over TC/Mag/SoS?

It can’t be because of “competition” because they’d get even more of it had they not gone to T1. It can’t be because they’d have people to fight/co-ordinate with because TC/Mag/SoS are all capable of having a decently sized force during EU prime.

So why?

dF left SFR and went to Miller’s
Tohu left Augury Rock and went to JQ

Dude just spam your AoE loot button while fighting.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/starting-today-world-vs-world-season-1/

Isn’t the OP the guy that was qq’ing about SoS karma training on the last day when the match was already decided?

Not this year. That’s all we’ve been told I think.

If you’re not prepared to wait in queue then that’s your problem. Stop complaining and learn to understand that once the pve carebears are gone, your queues will reduce. If you can’t handle that then no one can help you. Remember, everyone on your server has just as much a right to play wvw than you do.

Answer should be obvious enough………………….. bronze league.
You got Dzagonur and Drakkar Lake to choose from or any of the other servers as well.

People/guilds would play VERY differently if the matches lasted only a couple of days. Week long matches are also a test of your server’s endurance.

Looks like you should stay in pve land. You obviously can’t handle pvp.

Aytrix.4059:

What are your guys feelings on removing caps of stun, fear, knockback, etc abilities rather than all aoe? While I think removing all aoe caps would be best, this might be a nice middle ground depending on the strain this puts on the server.

So basically leave the cap on damage spells and remove damage and player cap from all Crowd Control abilities.

You want to buff what is already the strongest, most abundant mechanic in this game?

Zikory.6871:

Lord Kuru.3685:

In NA: the devs warned people about stacking into T1. But people went anyway. There are no queues in the lower tiers. I wouldn’t be surprised if Anet intended for this to happen and they’re expecting people to destack because of it.

That’s might be true, anet’s idea to destack T1. Though I don’t think it will happen as much as people assume. There are a lot of people just going for the achievements right now plus all the guilds and probably returning players. We will see what happens in the next few weeks. I bet the queue times will be close to pre-seasons in the next few weeks. Once a T1 server gets a “easy” week a lot of players will get the achievements and queues will lighten up.

To add to the above, destacking only needs to happen among oceanic-sea-euro prime time. However, the queues during those timezones aren’t excruciatingly long unlike during NA prime. So there’s absolutely no reason for those off-peak guilds to leave the T1 servers. We’ll just have to wait for one of them to implode and hope that those guilds spread out across non-T1 servers.

Looks like all the people that bandwagoned to SFR are getting what they deserve. Hopefully they leave the server and SFR can rise back to being the amazing server it once was. I miss SFR 2.0

Everyday some guy has to come and make the exact same thread.
Get this through your skulls: Once the pve players have done their achievements, they will leave. Your queues will decrease. Be PATIENT.

SoR didn’t need DIE, WARD, Aco or RISE but you got them anyway. Time to suffer the consequences.

Anet isn’t going to do anything. They want T1 servers to de-stack.
Heck, it’s already working with Agg leaving JQ.

deathTouch.9706:

PredatoR.5247:

deathTouch.9706:

I’d like our party to have the chance to fight some Agg guys but the only time I see them is when they’re peppered inside a 60 man SoS zerg, or roaming with their 35 man “small group”.

We only had 20 people transferred over last night

shrug

I think you just proved his point. Counting. Do it.

Blame all the guilds that transferred to your server over the past couple of weeks, not anet.

To be honest, this forum has the worst search function I have ever seen.

This will die down after a couple of weeks.

Almost ALL the people that you see on EU servers during NA/Oceanic/SEA prime time are euros. With some exceptions like SFR, FSP and Fort Ranik (the only 3 eu servers with an NA guild).

Everyone is pulling massive overtime for the league.

What is the point of mentoring/training/giving any attention to these pve players?
They’ve had an entire year to try wvw if they were really interested. If they’re only coming into wvw now it means they’re there for achievements and nothing else. Once they get it done they will run off back to pve land and you’ll never see them again. Don’t waste your energy.