Free transfers will assist guilds that focus on world vs world and will also boost world vs world interest.
In what way will it assist guilds? Please give an explanation to back up your statement.
Guilds will then be able to recruit individuals especially new players who are in other servers convincing them to transfer in order to participate in World vs World.
For every 1 person that thinks this is good, there will be another than thinks this is bad.
In addition if a guild or individual is facing a negative experience in world vs world either due to harassment, or lack of participation they are not constrained and are free to transfer. Free transfers will allow greater competitive environments because guilds can make the decisive decision to move servers and assist the servers that remain uncompetitive in their tier.
If a person/guild, deep in their heart, wants to leave… they will leave. Money won’t be an option at that stage. If I wanted to move servers, the transfer cost won’t stop me. It’s like $20 to transfer to a Very High server. Unless you’re a server hopper, 20 bucks is nothing….
Personally I think not talking about GvG is one of the better things that can happen to WvW.
With the introduction of GvG WvW will be completely dead. I still enjoy WvW and I do so because I do not have to leave my mostly PvE-centric guild and can still enjoy some larger-scale PvP. I do not want to lose that.
You are assuming that if anet makes gvg that it will be like the current gvg that’s being done in wvw. It almost certainly will not be the same. The wvw gvg is really just a death match and no where near as complex and in depth as a real gvg format should be. If anet ever makes a gvg format, I’d expect it to be as complex or nearly as complex as gw1 gvg.
I am playing on a T3 server. We have 2-4 active guilds on our maps during evening at most plus a single public zerg that typically is no larger than 15-20 players. And I enjoy that.
Now if guilds are busy doing GvG instead of helping out in the WvW maps, this will kill WvW more or less.
I am sure GvG would not have such an impact on busy T1 servers, but down here – where WvW still can be fun at times – it will.
Personally I think not talking about GvG is one of the better things that can happen to WvW.
With the introduction of GvG WvW will be completely dead. I still enjoy WvW and I do so because I do not have to leave my mostly PvE-centric guild and can still enjoy some larger-scale PvP. I do not want to lose that.
You are assuming that if anet makes gvg that it will be like the current gvg that’s being done in wvw. It almost certainly will not be the same. The wvw gvg is really just a death match and no where near as complex and in depth as a real gvg format should be. If anet ever makes a gvg format, I’d expect it to be as complex or nearly as complex as gw1 gvg.
The commander changes ARE meaningful and they are a direct result of the CDIs.
I fail to see how a yellow commander tag is going to reinvigorate wvw. And since the change happened over a month ago and wvw is still in the same state it was before we know that it accomplished nothing meaningful.
Have you guys genuinely never seen something come out of a CDI? Have you truly never seen changes that were outlined, discussed, and honed in the forge of the CDI system?
Remember, this is the WvW section so when people say nothing has come out of the CDI, they are talking about the WvW CDI’s. Nothing meaningful has come out of those.
We had a CDI about the commander system and Devon summarized everything the players wanted out of it and all we got was different commander tag colours… which somehow took almost a year to implement….
We had a CDI about world population and obviously nothing came out of that because if it did, John Corpening wouldn’t have had to make a thread recently about the exact same thing…….
I just hope the developers are doing something meaningful behind the scenes that the players don’t know about yet. Only time will tell.
If WvW is dead, the community killed it, not anet.
How can there be different outcomes and new fights each week when every server is tier locked because we, as a community, have stacked servers so much.
Anet charging $35+ per transfer is what causes stacking. If they didn’t charge for transfers or were much more reasonable about the cost of it, then you’d see guilds and people moving around a lot more.
Interesting comment. Do you think that free transfers would reduce stacking? That things would just naturally even out over time?
I’m genuinely interested in this topic and would like to get some insight into it from our players’ perspective. (For clarity, I’m not on the WvW Team; y;’all know that. I just found the theory interesting.)
Do not listen to him. Free transfers and player attrition are what causes stacking. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
You’re supposed to upgrade those 4 fortresses.
You get to put waypoints in there when you upgrade them.
Exactly like WvW. You will need to escort those yaks.
Just a quick update on some changes I shared with you in a previous post. With the build on Tuesday build site interacts will have text better describing them, the arrow cart and ballista build sites will now have a smaller footprint and the siege disabler has a more visible projectile giving you a better chance to block it. We look forward to seeing how these changes improve the WvW experience.
Happy Halloween!
John
Can we expect more changes to siege disablers? The duration is what makes it broken.
There aren’t enough aoe blocks in this game to make an animation change very worthwhile.
These armors are a long term reward. You’re not supposed to be able to get them quickly.
Remember how long it took someone to finally get r15 hero rank with dragon emote in gw1? 4 years.
You do know that Desolation’s been stuck with them for months, right? During the last tournament, we even got them multiple times. The one before that, we were stuck with them and another server and were 2v1’ed for the vast majority of the matchups. This isn’t about score, it’s just plain difficult to have fun like this. We had Vizunah during their prime, now this.
I don’t mind playing against a stronger server and losing, that’s part of the game after all. However, some variety in our matchups would be nice.
Just for the record, I don’t think banning non-EU players from our servers is the right call. We’ve all heard it before with the French Canadians, etc, etc. Some overnight protection mechanic or funds to employ a night time squad (let’s face it, they can’t have a day job too) would be fine; along with some way for us to fight in a matchup without the current rank one in it every now and then.
You get variety in the form of a changing 3rd server. Jade Sea the past two weeks, Elona the week before, Kodash the week before that, Baruch the week before that. The week before that you fought FSP and Gandara.
Every week there is a chance you won’t get matched up with SFR. RNG is RNG. Get over it. Be thankful it’s not like NA where servers have been fighting the same opponent for over a year.
Your server could also tank for a bit. Intentionally reduce your score/rating so you drop in rank and get to fight weaker servers……….
Everyone is allowed to play the game on whatever server they want to. They paid for the game themselves so who are we to tell them what they can or cannot do.
Yea, it’s a huge problem at the moment that no one can control. There really isn’t any solution other than to hope that SFR becomes full and players can’t transfer to it anymore, but that is unlikely as well.
Your server should try to counter it. Recruit NA players yourself.
Or stop caring about the score and just have fun and sooner or later you will bore a lot of players out of SFR. I know the queues are starting to become ridiculous during prime time so maybe some guilds will leave.
Also, Anet is going to experiment with some new mechanics in WvW that might change things up. I’d wait and see what happens with that. Hopefully they do something to reduce the importance of coverage.
There was quite a lot of discussion around the proposal of removing white swords from objectives in WvW. We understand there are concerns about how this change might work in practice or how player behavior may change as a result of it. We felt like the best way to understand fully the impact, and give players a chance to see for themselves how it directly changes the WvW experience is to let people try it and see what they think.
We have decided to run a special multi-week event in WvW where we’ll be changing some of the “rules” of WvW for a limited time. This event will feature two major rule changes while it is running: we are planning to remove white swords from objectives, and add points per kill in WvW to the over-all score for the duration of this event. We are currently targeting December for this event but will keep you posted when we have dates nailed down for certain. If this type of event is successful, we may look to do more events like this in the future where for short periods of time the rules of WvW are changed to different rules, scoring and scenarios to help both keep the game fresh, as well as to change up the experience and try new fun things for WvW.
We look forward to your feedback once the event begins, both on the temporary event only changes, as well as the concept of these special events in WvW.
Thanks,
John
You already know what feedback you’re gonna regarding the white swords, there are hundreds of posts on this forum telling you why it’s a bad idea. It does not warrant any testing.
All you needed to say was that it’s boring and doesn’t allow players to experience the best of wvw instead about all that stuff about how your blob ain’t big enough.
1: The next phase of the CDI will be delayed until this weekend or Monday due lack of available time on my part.
2: whilst I am very much looking forward to the raid discussion and chatting with you all about it I do want to make it clear that this last CDI has been excellent, with maturity and collaboration throughout. So to be clear unnecessary comments about ‘True Gamers’, ‘Elitists’ and ‘Dress Up Players’ won’t be tolerated.
I just want to make this clear so we can all have a healthy discussion and design out a Raid System proposal that is born out of GW2’s core mechanics, personality and community passion.
Looking forward to having a great discussion with you all.
Look at this: http://mos.millenium.org/eu/matchups
Then pick an international server that’s higher than GH but lower than SFR. Done.
You got Deso, Gandara and FSP to pick from if you don’t speak german/french.
And why wanted u too change the gem exchange anyway …so many things could be improved..like for example guildhalls or housing what has been talked about from the start…but too ruin a perfect working system seem just like a bit waste of time. And will not make ppl buy gems for real money more u must be lucky if ppl buy them at all. Just turn it back and give us just the freedom in buying the amount of gems we want.
I love playing the game and i love shopping on the gemstore but with this not needed change. U know that new players dont have this amount of money.. well i dont even have this amount of money because iam a casual player who does play everyday but saving up a little bit at the time. This really was a cold shower after seeing that lovely outfit u introduced and to see i only have a several option to get my gems and i cant even save up in flexible way thank u for giving me no option at all.
Anet’s M.O. is to devote developer resources into fixing things that aren’t broken instead of fixing things that are broken.
People have been asking for raiding UI for WvW since release but the UI developers are doing this…
I keep seeing people shout about how this is milking people out of money and I really don’t see how that really makes any kind of sense.
The prices for gems are still exactly the same as they were back at release.
The fact remains that they don’t even have to have the gold to gem transfer in the first place. If they really wanted to milk the players they would remove it completely, which they quite clearly haven’t done.
Also, why did you intentionally increase gem->gold price by ~25%? That’s a pretty hefty spike for just a new outfit and finisher and it happened immediately after the patch so I’m pretty sure it wasn’t player driven.
I have 6 gems that I cannot convert to gold. Thanks for stealing my money anet
I want to buy something for 200 gems but the minimum is 400. Thanks for stealing my money anet
I want to convert 200 gems to gold. I have to do 9 transactions for it. Thanks for wasting my time anet
But I can’t convert the whole thing because i get stuck with 6 gems remaining (at current values) which is less than 1g. Thanks for stealing my money anet
tl;dr: this new gem exchange is borderline criminal, in my opinion
They have 300+ employees
Last time they gave us any information they told us that their company was split in half. One half works on maintenance of the game (living world, balances updates, bug fixes etc) and the other half works on expansion content.
1: The ability for guild members to be able to show of their prowess and achievements through Guild Halls and their own avatar customization.
2: The ability for players to work together in a fun way to build something different and exciting.
3: The ability for smaller guilds to enjoy guild halls.
Chris
Le Bump
Chris
Bump.
We will wait a few more days for folks to post their top three priority’s. Could those who are doing summaries please post them (Orpheal and Vod)
Then on Monday I will put our proposal together and then on Tuesday we will begin Phase 3: Raiding!!
Syndictive discussed this concept with our developer briefly, but I hope this was brought to the table:
Removing the ability to hard-rez fully-dead players while in combat, or putting a timer on WHEN you can rez fully-dead players. (IE, 2:00 after they die)
This thought arises from the issue that if my guild (a skill group) is fighting 20v50, we manage to kill a lot of players on our first pass, say 10. The next players push up into us, and make us kite back from the dead-state players. The players in the back of this massive group then rez the fully-dead players nullifying our work. This makes fights against double our numbers nearly impossible – they become simple attrition battles no matter our organization or skill level.
This change would empower skill groups and outnumbered servers during open-field and in-keep fighting without completely destroying numbers advantage.
This change I suggested, in addition to your new PPK system, could easily break down social barriers that exist in WvW currently between the fights/GvG guilds and the PPT focused players. The rift could essentially be non-existent if the kills are a substantial part of the score as well. The only worry that I have is that now PPT-focused groups and players will only run away from skill groups, because they would be afraid to hurt the server score.
Not just that. There is a bug with the revive mechanic at the moment that is allowing players to bypass the limit on the number of resurrectors.
Removing white swords from objectives to give defenders a stronger role in alerting their team as well as giving attackers more of a chance to get through having their siege disabled.
No. Scouting is not fun for the vast majority of players. No amount of rewards (except maybe precursors) is going to get people to do the most mind numbingly boring aspect of WvW.
Finally, there open. There wasn’t a single oceanic WvW guild below the 4 servers you mentioned should be locked. It’s not really fair for offpeak players to be locked out of being able to wvw.
The increasing of server caps is the reason why there isnt a single oceanic WvW guild below those 4 servers anymore.
I find that the best people to solve this issue are the celebrity commanders themselves.
Once you’ve gained celebrity commander status on your server and are able to rally large numbers onto your tag, you should be using that as an opportunity to give newer, lesser known commanders some exposure to the crowd. Train new commanders and let them lead the group that you’ve rallied. Pass the torch, so to speak.
This way, the celebrity commander doesn’t always have to be the one commanding which helps prevent him/her from burning out and in the mean time new commanders can rise up and eventually be able to rally large numbers by themselves.
If only it were so easy. The thing about seasoned commanders is that they know the field. I’m not talking about map politics either. I’m talking about knowing the people to whisper and who to talk to to get things done. I can easily jump down a few channels in TS, talk to someone for a short bit, then jump back. I’m also 100% familiar with TS3 and have CCOMs set up, etc. The portfolio of skills and knowledge that a commander needs to have to be decently organized and good is quite large. And quite frankly, many don’t care to learn them, knowing how difficult or stressful that it can be.
So I wish that others would tag up. My favorite moment is when I ask if anyone wants to take over my 20 to 30-man group on TS, a solid militia group made up of people from various good guilds and <80% of them on TS (which is a difficult thing to achieve), and all I get is crickets. I particularly enjoy commanding, but I much prefer leading competent people who know what they’re doing and require minimal commanding to get them to behave in the right fashion in a fight.
Pugmanding is too prone to burnout and utter frustration. Most, including myself, just go on pugmanding kicks for a short while, then go back to playing soloely with their guild group, running untagged, avoidng the use of siege.
Well you gotta show people that commanding can be a positive experience (i.e. get things done and get lots of loot bags) and more people might wanna try it out.
I find that the best people to solve this issue are the celebrity commanders themselves.
Once you’ve gained celebrity commander status on your server and are able to rally large numbers onto your tag, you should be using that as an opportunity to give newer, lesser known commanders some exposure to the crowd. Train new commanders and let them lead the group that you’ve rallied. Pass the torch, so to speak.
This way, the celebrity commander doesn’t always have to be the one commanding which helps prevent him/her from burning out and in the mean time new commanders can rise up and eventually be able to rally large numbers by themselves.
Anet never said anything about increasing the server caps but we all know they’ll do it eventually anyway so venting is pointless. You can still play with your guild in EotM!
Several people suggested keeping the map state across scoring periods so that the investment you make in upgrades and effort you take in conquering objectives but the scores will have far less of a chance of running away when the victory points come from the scoring period not the PPT.
Whether this is a good idea or not depends on how the winner of a scoring period is determined. Whether it’s on a per cap basis or the same system we have now.
If the latter, no issues will be solved since if server A has an overwhelming numbers advantage over B and C during 1 scoring period, they can cap/upgrade everything and then just play ultra defensively during subsequent scoring periods and get a win handed to them.
Now you can’t exactly blame anyone for doing that but i am amazed at how a game as big as GW with competitive PvP hasn’t addressed such an issue yet? why aren’t there any rewards\free transfers to weaker servers in order to lure big guilds there and balance things a little bit? why aren’t transfers to already high populated top servers shut down?
Firstly, you are assuming that people transfer because of rewards. They don’t.
Secondly, I seriously think you have not played this game long enough to fully understand the situation so I suggest that you go back and just play the game for a few more weeks/months and see if your perception changes.
Guilds move because they want to have more fights. Your server and a lot of other servers near its rank still have A LOT of wvw guilds. 1-2 guilds leaving will not affect you. Get acquainted with the other WvW players and guilds on your server.
There will be more tournaments in the future so if you don’t get the 200 tickets each week this time, you can still collect more tickets from the next tournament.
Anyone know how active WvW is in the Chinese version?
Did Anet make the same mistake there as here, allowing total freedom with transfers just to make a couple extra bucks? Is coverage and population a total disaster as it is here?
Considering WvW functions exactly the same in the Chinese servers as it does here, what do you think?
Hate to break it to you but FoW has been having these kinds of matchups for over a year now. Why are you getting mad about it now? You’re a little late.
We’ve already known from NCSoft investor meetings that an expansion is in the works, hoping for a 2015 release.
How else can you explain the complete disappearance of Eric Flannum, Ree Soesbee and Jeff Grubb?
You mean those investor meetings that were talking about a 2010 release for GW2 and an “expansion to come in late 2013”? I don’t trust anything GW2-related that comes out of NCSoft, they’ve been proven false so many times in the past that they are not a reliable source of information.
Also, no to Elona or Cantha, there are still too many areas of Tyria (continent) yet to be explored.
We’ve already known from NCSoft investor meetings that an expansion is in the works, hoping for a 2015 release.
How else can you explain the complete disappearance of Eric Flannum, Ree Soesbee and Jeff Grubb?
But also remember that all the servers will go back to their pre-tournament server status next week.
So if you want to move to a server that’s usually “Very High” but was changed to “High” for the tournament, you’d want to move there before the end of the week.
Just like WvW players are forced to do pve if they want legendaries/ascended gear, anet wants pve players to come to wvw for their world completion. This is their way to introduce players to wvw. If players don’t like it they’ll leave and never come back after finally completing it. But if they do like it, they’ll stick around and eventually become new wvw players.
That’s how the game works. You’ll just have to deal with it. I suggest joining a wvw guild or getting acquainted with your server’s wvw community. I got it done within a few days because I got on my server ts and ran with the wvw players. Now I only play wvw.
The issue cannot be fixed by changing the population caps on the maps, because the real issue brought by low population is lack of coverage.
Fort Aspenwood (my server) can hold itself just fine against JQ, TC and SoS at reset, when all the maps are queued. EU and especially NA are our prime time. But once OCE hits, we get our butt handed to us because we have no coverage and everything gets capped. Changing population caps of WvW maps isn’t going to change our lack of OCE coverage.
The only real solution is to even the servers out. Now this can be accomplished in 2 ways : Lower the maximum server population to force people to “trickle down” to other servers and/or modify the barrier to servers transfers.
A few suggestions on how to achieve that :
Let people transfer for free in the few days leading up to the next tournament, but make switching servers impossible during the following regular season. Do it once and see how it plays out.
Give everyone a free transfer or reset everyone’s server selection, lower the server caps and let people reorganize themselves. I know, this would be unfair to many because then, some people would be unable to get back on the server they were on, but that’s kind of the point. This could force entire WvW guilds to move around, improving 24/7 coverage.
Remove the 1 or 2 lowest population servers and give everyone in those servers a free transfer.
Give a free transfer to everyone in the fully populated servers and reduce the population cap gradually as people move out to other servers.
Forcing people to move out of servers is gonna cause a huge outcry and a lot of negative PR for anet. It is akin to forcing families to move out of their homes. Even if people did leave, it is 100% certain that the problem will still exist after. People need to start thinking a little more in the long term and about the ramifications of their suggestions.
