Guild Wars 2

People become unhappy and dissatisfied with a game that we play so that makes us subverters paid to bomb gw2 with negativity? I am starting to think that Anet paid you to make this thread.

I am still trying to figure out how to react to spirit rangers passive play. God that spec is so skillful

People really dont experiment huh? Any new builds or ideas are just considered to be bad

I wonder if anet will ever get their kitten together

Who remembers this game being advertised as a pvp mmo. That still kitten es me off to no end.

But yah in the long run people don’t like conquest because they are to kittening stupid and it does get boring after awhile. New game modes are always great in mmos

Mammoth.1975:

I can tell you what it doesn’t mean. Using ‘EVERYONE HAS TO STAND ON POINT AND GET AOED’ as an argument against conquest.

I do agree to some extent. But if you are constantly running off of a point while the enemy is standing on the point capturing it. You arn’t playing conquest right.
(this is a 1v1 situation) But if two people are their i agree with you on not standing on the point

^ he has just won

Xsorus.2507:

Can’t believe you people still think Spirit Rangers are strong, Its like SPvP is perma stuck behind World vs World in Build Battles by a good 3 or 4 month’s.

This isnt the world v world forums. Please go away.

Mammoth.1975:

Or he likes logical arguments. If the hivemind on this forum knows what those are, I have yet to see any evidence of it.

Logical, you use that word but i don’t think you know what it means

Mammoth has anets kitten in his kitten

zone.1073:

The PAX Prime tournament in Seattle was entertaining to watch. That’s all that matters. Hopefully some attention was brought on GW2 as a result, and the competitive PvP community will grow.

My only thoughts about this game after pax were “Why do i play this PoS”

If this game was actually a esport or was actually close to becoming one I would care. kittening smite is more of an esport then this game is.

Alright 2 things here
1. Both classes that have a high poison uptime are both hard countered by warriors (engis and necro)
2. Basic warrior set up is berserker stance cleansing ire lyssa runes and maybe the cleansing sigil. Warriors will cleanse poison the second it gets on. The signit needs a nerf it is a massive crutch.

Also dipkitten i main a warrior. Stop telling people to l2p when you are the one with all the dumb ideas that will end up breaking the game

Poison doesn’t counter the sig at all. Most warriors run with cleansing of ire completely negating the effects of poison and on top of cleansing of ire most warriors run additional condi cleanse.
Or you could do the other “Counter” do burst damage. Well unfortunately after you use your burst damage skills they tend to go on cool down and you need to wait and re-setup to burst. All while the warrior is blocking and dodging and most importantly regening their health.
The sig is a bit much. The passive heal needs to either be reduced or the time between each healing tick needs to be longer.

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

This is really funny xD.
I play a spirit ranger so i have the most knowledge of the subject at hand.
So trust me when i say spirit ranger is a fair balanced spec that require tons of skill and isnt spammy at all.

Their is definitely a difference between a good and a bad thief. If you have ever fought a thief named Martin you know what i am talking about.

Skyhammer 2.0 because the first one was so fun.

they don’t give too kittens about us. They already have our money and this game doesnt have a monthly sub. Their is no pressure on them to do anything.

Lachanche.6859:

Increase mouse sensibility to the point where moving your mouse 1 inch to the left results into a 360°.
You’ ll have to get used to the extreme speed but it’ s the only way to keep up, if you have to move your wrist even once you are doing it wrong.

If only their was a setting like that in this game. The highest sensitivity is still slow for me.

Sol.4310:

google.3709:

Wombat.3510:

Before we continue this thread, lets correct some common misconceptions:

Nobody is going to roll a spirit ranger and mop the floor with anyone more experienced than them unless they get really lucky. A skilled spirit ranger will do really well against anyone less skilled – as will a skilled player with any class.

Spirit rangers are completely worthless once their spirits are killed. Compared to every other class, they have no defense, no damage, no stun break, and little condition removal. The key is killing the spirits and not just rushing in on top of the ranger and spamming everything at once. I know people like to play that way, but it simply won’t work against anyone with any skill.

Who really cares if a class is easy to play anyway. That just makes it easier to attract more new players and gives less skilled players a little better chance to survive past 5 seconds. I’m starting to get the impression that most people in this game don’t have fun unless they can spec glass cannon, spam all their abilities and drop people in 5 seconds. Now that would really would be a messed up meta!

• but it is possible for a meh spirit rangers to be decent+ players on different professions after playing the build for 20 mins

• Yes you can kill them, but on team figts on node, your entire team will be hurting after spirits proc twice and they happen to get off guard, and then the ranger can just kite around on their 3k armor and perma protection and wait a few seconds until spirit are back up since they start recharge the moment they are casted…

• if you’re 1v1ing, unless you have strong AoE and decent heals, you will have taken a little too much damage, and used up alot of cool downs, before you’re ready to attempt to take the bunker down….

AND THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING DUE TO THE META…js

1. lots of good/top players/teams are taking “breaks” due to the brainless condi/pet spam/meta
2. The remaining players are stomping and face crushing any new comers on tPvP since no one really teamQ’s anymore, so its soooooooooo commmmoooon for a decent team to get match up with people who just started pvp’ing, and then those people get stepped on and dont come back to PvP

there is no problem with easy face roll builds, the problem is that thisbuild is poison and is quickly killing the game by promoting brainless play and forcing players to just spam AoE in order to deal with all the pets being thrown around… its not enjoy able to play, to play against or even watch since the game just became spam wars 2, spam pets, spam AoE and gg

My team seem’s to do fine, we just kill the protection spirit and get one of our team mate’s to almost one shot him while other 2 finish him off.

I’d be happy to put you in touch with this guy lol…..

You say your team does fine but its taking 3 of you to kill one spirit ranger?

Atherakhia.4086:

google.3709:

BurrTheKing.8571:

Lapserdak.9056:

But its a elite, also it can be stunned/pushed to interupt rez, warrior rez banner cant be stoped and is instant.

Wrong. Battle Standard has a 2 second cast time and can be interrupted just like anything else. It’s also REALLY obvious when they start casting because of the animation.

those 2 elites arent even comparable
Spirt:

• Heals 480 per second
• Point wide ress on a 30s cd
• Full party wide condi clear
• Procs ress/condi clear when it dies…
• Self ress
• Another pet, large health pool and high amounts of regen

Banner

• Affected by posion (if down player is low, he wont ress)
• Can’t Self ress
• Doesnt heal
• Doesn’t remove condi

Doesn’t the banner heal with traits?
Doesn’t the poison reduce nature spirit’s heal?
Doesn’t the pet have a much longer cooldown?
Can’t the pet be killed?

The banner doesnt heal that much with the trait. Thats why theirs a trade off with it being unkillable also the banner can only rez people when its summoned.

Wombat.3510:

Before we continue this thread, lets correct some common misconceptions:

Nobody is going to roll a spirit ranger and mop the floor with anyone more experienced than them unless they get really lucky. A skilled spirit ranger will do really well against anyone less skilled – as will a skilled player with any class.

Spirit rangers are completely worthless once their spirits are killed. Compared to every other class, they have no defense, no damage, no stun break, and little condition removal. The key is killing the spirits and not just rushing in on top of the ranger and spamming everything at once. I know people like to play that way, but it simply won’t work against anyone with any skill.

Who really cares if a class is easy to play anyway. That just makes it easier to attract more new players and gives less skilled players a little better chance to survive past 5 seconds. I’m starting to get the impression that most people in this game don’t have fun unless they can spec glass cannon, spam all their abilities and drop people in 5 seconds. Now that would really would be a messed up meta!

I am just going to go ahead and call you completely wrong here.
1. Yes anyone can make a spirit ranger and beat people well above their skill level.
2. Spirit rangers without their spirits are still annoying and can still do damage. Its not like spirits give them a passsive 50% damage increase. They will still dodge and kite
3. Thats exactly how spirit rangers play. They roll the class and spam all of their buttons.
4. Stop pretending they are balanced.

Sol.4310:

Check this out for some ranger game play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoecWizD4rQ

Now picture GW2 with this type of game play….

I played the kitten out of that game in beta might have to check it out again

Dual.8953:

Truth be told I’m not the biggest PvPer by a long shot, but I’ve been using S/D since day one and would like to give some thoughts onto how to bring S/D more in line.

I’ll start with the biggy. Larcenous Strike. This skill has it all, power, utility, and defense. It’s become an all purpose skill that can win a battle with little effort. The skill shouldn’t bring both damage and utility to the battle. I propose they nerf it’s damage by 50-75%, increase it’s cost to 4-5 init (making it have a grand total of 7 to 8 init cost), shorten the amount of time you have to use it a touch, and increase the boons stolen to 3 possibly. Maybe give it a flashier tell as well.

In return they could perhaps increase the sword auto-attack’s overall damage by 5-10%, make dancing dagger inflict torment, and increase the daze on tactical strike a smidge.

I feel this’d make larcenous strike more risky to use forcing s/d users to make full use of their set, hopefully while still keeping them a viable threat. If it proves too harsh, buff something other then larcenous strike.

Or you could just use p/d p/d and join the master race of thieves and probably the only kinda skill based thief build

mbh.8301:

kitten s.7421:

mbh.8301:

Guys, the matchmaker is doing the best he can. You can’t just expect anet to write code and put this guy out on the streets.

Have a heart.

The valiant white knight rides into the fray!

Except I said that there is no matchmaking system, but a matchmaker that works 24/7 while being doped up on amphetamines just so we can get matches.

Its not amphetamines its angel dust. This guy has standards

jcbroe.4329:

google.3709:

its not as simple as countering them.. the problem is way bigger

spirit rangers and necros are pushing condi meta over the top…

• people hate condi meta
• people hate fighting pets.. its not enjoyable to play against/watch

the meta is sooo terrible ever since these classes became fotm. most teams started “taking a break”, the PvP community has greatly died out and like myself i thought that this would change with the next big patch and that just had to endure the struggle until PAX was over…

But if they are really not gonna fix it… i doubt most people/teams would wanna come back and with school/college starting soon, gw2 pvp might just die out for a couple of months… until Anet starts making rational decisions

I’m not disagreeing at all.

When I made my “counter” post, I just meant that in a meta where Rangers and Necros are running rampant, the least teams can do is take something to counter it, which warriors seem to do pretty darn well, albeit, not necessarily in a teamfight setting.

I’m not going to say I have a multitude of experience here, but from observations alone, it looks like classes that take the responsibility of maintaining home point lack stability, and are overall fighting an uphill battle against a mace/shield greatsword warrior (or similar stun variants). So in the current meta, it seems like sending a warrior far point could be extremely advantageous, given that they should be able to 1v1 the “meta” defender builds and win most of the time, especially with cooldowns.

I mean, it sure beats ragequitting the game, but I guess not everybody shares that optimism, which I can totally sympathize with.

But teams won’t send a warrior home point because their are better options. This apparently “God Mode” insane op wqrrqir build can be easily stopped.
1. Dodge.
2. Predict for christs sake you know what he is going to try to do it is your own kitten fault if you get caught with the stun.

Although i will say that healing signet combined with cleansing ire is pretty ridiculous. Use poison to counter the sig but it will just get cleansed right off.

Ryan.9387:

I think I could still beat this build puma.

its tough to beat. I fought him quite a bit and they were great 1v1s

HPLT.7132:

Despite this thread was about something completely different, kitten s pls lower your ego.
Warriors in this current meta are somehow broken – they patched it from the underdog to another faceroll class. Longbow + Lyssa runes giving nearly unlimited condition remove and with hammer/greatsword whatever they still deal decent damage. Engenieers for example are kittened if Warrior is engaging and they can just try to hold and survive as long as possible. It is somehow funny thakittens actually the warrior (past the most susceptible class) who can deal with this condispam pretty well. However since Harry is playing spirit ranger he shouldnt complain too much :P.

Alot of top teams considered to change there comp and bring warriors (NN, CC etc)

./facepalm
Also I would like to add that no top teams do run wqrrqir and a lot doesn’t mean 2. Spend less time on duel servers and more time in tpvp.

Vena.8436:

kitten s.7421:

True. The thing is though cleanses have longer cds then the rate bleeding can be stacked until critical mass (aka the point where you are losing so much life your heal won’t cut it). Having an auto attack that applies bleeding every hit is a bit much.

Well cleansing isn’t supposed to be an IW(AY)IN button against conditions. I’ve seen cleanses as a clock reset not a clock stop, though I agree that certain auto-attacks are a bit too generous in their condition application.

I think this is more that bleed is too powerful without condi damage when it starts to pile up. The base is a bit too powerful and scaling that down while scaling up the condi damage factor should ultimately result in the same peak but lower base to force investment to gain considerable return.

The best way to show bleeding is the problem.
1. Make a Warrior
2. Get a longbow
3. Use longbow 5 Pin down on a golem
4. Watch damage with condi damage
5. Build for condi damage
6. Shoot golem again.
Bleeding is the issue 5-6 stacks is death

Bleeding is the reason people are being “bursted” by condi specs. Make a condi spec and stack bleeding watch the damage it does at about 5-6 stacks. This people is the reason you are dieing so fast.

Vena.8436:

kitten s.7421:

Your right it is countered by cleanse but sadly its very easily applied.

Warriors, for example, I’ve never had too much trouble keeping their bleed in line. Obviously you don’t cleanse one stack of it, usually wait till six to ten. The problem is when facing necros, for example, I can’t even get to the bleeding to cleanse it or if I do I’m left on fire + poison + whatever else.

I love matches where necros/spirit rangers don’t exist.

True. The thing is though cleanses have longer cds then the rate bleeding can be stacked until critical mass (aka the point where you are losing so much life your heal won’t cut it). Having an auto attack that applies bleeding every hit is a bit much.

Xsorus.2507:

There is plenty of passive things in this game, But for some reason whenever a Ranger is doing it people are annoyed.

Because passively applying a 33% damage reduction and passivity applying the most damaging condition (next to high confusion stacks) is a bit much, when you are already dodging and stacking bleeding and poison and reneging health.

Harrywinky.8632:

kitten s.7421:

Harrywinky.8632:

kitten s.7421:

Harrywinky.8632:

kitten s.7421:

Harrywinky.8632:

i made a topic few days ago claiming this and anet moved it … ¬¬

tons of players top 100 run a warrior, it just crashes rangers engineers necros guardians stun lock features must be revised.
also longbow is not really balanced

Get out!

when u fight some top 100 wars come and tell me they are balanced

You know where the door is please excuse yourself.

i guess you run a warrior thats why you fear any nerf incoming? time to time, some stuff will get fixed

Please just stop. I do not feel like embarrassing misguided souls at this moment.

u need some humility classes. arrogance management

Claiming wqrriqrs are op in this current meta is very sad. Honestly i would just stop now. You are embarrassing yourself people read threads and they read what you say.

Vena.8436:

kitten s.7421:

The problem is how bleeding stacks in intensity. Once bleeding stacks to about 6 regardless of condi power you are taking tons of damage.

That’s meant to be countered by the fact that, at some point, it was actually supposed to be hard to get a lot of stacks without it getting cleansed.

But currently we have classes kitten out so many conditions, thakittens impossible to keep up with bleeding being buried/hidden behind everything else. Play a match of warriors, guardians, engineers (not HGH-nades), elementalists, and mesmers, and experience this game without (as much) condition spam.

Your right it is countered by cleanse but sadly its very easily applied.

Harrywinky.8632:

kitten s.7421:

Harrywinky.8632:

kitten s.7421:

Harrywinky.8632:

i made a topic few days ago claiming this and anet moved it … ¬¬

tons of players top 100 run a warrior, it just crashes rangers engineers necros guardians stun lock features must be revised.
also longbow is not really balanced

Get out!

when u fight some top 100 wars come and tell me they are balanced

You know where the door is please excuse yourself.

i guess you run a warrior thats why you fear any nerf incoming? time to time, some stuff will get fixed

Please just stop. I do not feel like embarrassing misguided souls at this moment.

The problem is how bleeding stacks in intensity. Once bleeding stacks to about 6 regardless of condi power you are taking tons of damage.

Chase.8415:

ArenaNet has launched a ton of new content for PvP in one year, far more than any other MMO I have played. It may seem like we have nothing, but it isn’t like World of Warcraft where you have to wait until the next expansion to get anything new for PvP.

How much did Anet pay you to say that?

I love when they block all of my attacks

Knote.2904:

Oh that’s a warrior bug?

Looked like a normal pvp match.

We just wanted to WvW in spvp

Harrywinky.8632:

kitten s.7421:

Harrywinky.8632:

i made a topic few days ago claiming this and anet moved it … ¬¬

tons of players top 100 run a warrior, it just crashes rangers engineers necros guardians stun lock features must be revised.
also longbow is not really balanced

Get out!

when u fight some top 100 wars come and tell me they are balanced

You know where the door is please excuse yourself.

Darcy.2079:

kitten s.7421:

Hmm i cannot tell but was i their with you guys? I was healing you on my necro?

If you saw guild [nine] there, then yes.

Yep im Whitney E Houston.

Sensotix.4106:

and guys what the difference between ur pics and mine is is that on mine the warrior got multiplied not myself

The warrior is multiplied. The 2 mesmers we used were human and the warrior was char and i was a norn necro healer

Harrywinky.8632:

i made a topic few days ago claiming this and anet moved it … ¬¬

tons of players top 100 run a warrior, it just crashes rangers engineers necros guardians stun lock features must be revised.
also longbow is not really balanced

Get out

Darcy.2079:

Attempting to keep mid neutral; bunking against an army.

Hmm i cannot tell but was i their with you guys? I was healing you on my necro?

Darnis.4056:

haha yes I spam forums AND mapchat :P
:))

<3 my build is still tourny viable

mbh.8301:

Guys, the matchmaker is doing the best he can. You can’t just expect anet to write code and put this guy out on the streets.

Have a heart.

The valiant white knight rides into the fray!

Been there done that.