Guild Wars 2

BrunoBRS.5178:

kitten s.7421:

uberkingkong.8041:

That’s just like khylo if they can hold there own treb.

What? Oh yah you are the guy who thinks using 1 cc skill to knock someone to their death is skill. Also the Skyhammer is removed from tpvp thank god.

your username suits you.

skyhammer is a fun map, and i think that with some small tweaks (brought up in countless other threads) it can definitely stay a tournament map.

And your user name fits you?
Skyhammer is a fun map pressing 1 skill and instantly killing someone is bad for competitive play.
I would love to see this map in tournys if you would read my other posts you would see i have made suggestions on how to do this
Nerfing the cannon, making it dodgeable Removing the glass around both close points or just removing falling out of the map.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

They broke the number one rule. We all know the beloved ranged, high evade professions now have to contest nodes in tight spaces where melee weapons work best and where if they evade in any old direction it maybe lethal. To boot, it actually involved that a very over used utility may need to be swapped out for,…you know…something different and appropriate for the map mechanics.

Like all other Tpvp maps, it has nodes, it has paths..so that makes it not suitable for tpvp, because you may get instakilled if you spend the entire game fighting on the edges or on top of panels.

Heaven forbid that perhaps a top tier player may have to abandon their preferred profession in favour of a more suited profession for the duration of the map rotation.

This how you make teams work. Coaches know who their pressure players are, who their wet weather players are etc etc and field who they think is the strongest team according to the situation. To make it fair between two teams of various people, the fairness comes from that they both play on the same field and to the same rules, not by making sure each team has the exact same number of players the same height, weight and experience.

This is totally digi generation thinking. Not even one week, let alone did one month pass, or even a day pass before people QQ’ed the heck out of this map before even giving it a reasonable period of time.

Champions take on all contenders. It seems the ‘champions’ in this game believe they are above certain maps, play styles and mechanics.

I find it laughable that it is even questioned who the play testers were. Anet is part of ncsoft, you know, the people who made Aion, league of legends, city of heroes and the up coming blade and something?..I’m fairly sure they have no shortage of people in staff who play games. You know, people who not only play games, they make them as well…if that is not enough to show they probably understand gaming better than most, than I don’t know what will. People make it sound like they got their play testers from some school in the suburbs where they don’t have the internet. They gave PvP a new map, they didn’t lay down their C.V to be scrutinized by various 18-27 year old’s who think they know better.

Instant kill mechanics would be fine IF AND ONLY IF they were extremely kittening hard to do/hit. Knocking someone off this map is extremely easy. Like today on my engi i would go to a point break the glass and use tool kit 5 magnet to pull them into the pit they would dodge so i would cancel the animation maybe shoot them a bit then bam pull them to their deaths. This map takes no skill.

uberkingkong.8041:

I like how these guys played games like quake, that’s probably why I love this map because I’m an old school quake1 player. This map feels more like Quake3 though because it has pits, and I hated pits in quake3 but I didn’t whine, I got used to them also and moreso the jumper pads. But its not kittening hard to get used to falling in the pit and jumper pads, people just too stubborn to adapt to them in gw2. btw I liked quake1 better than 2 3 4 because 1 has a better theme and its the competitive game I grew up on. Also that grappling hook, nothing beats it and no other game has it because they all dumb, it makes it so fast paced and fun also the rocket jumps, quake1 invented the rocket jumps. Also invented clans and guilds in games, clan wars happened a lot in the early days of quake1.

If anything is the downfall of gw2 its going to be the developers listening to the wrong people too much, very kitten ed off this map is out of the tournament selection. Just go ahead and take away all the fun from Gw2 and nobody will play it but those whiners because all the fun is gone.

1. Gw2 isnt a fps
2. Thank god they don’t listen to you
3. Go play it on hot join their are many skyhammer only servers

uberkingkong.8041:

KarlaGrey.5903:

Instagib mechanics aren’t necessarily bad. It depends largely on how they’re designed – the GW1 version of trebuchet could insta gib you under certain conditions, but it was never considered OP or cheesy, or uncompetitive, for that matter.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warrior%27s_Isle

That said, instagibs for a single push off a cliff do sound kind of over the top.

You know what every profession is capable of doing, if you don’t want to get feared off fight with your back towards the wall. If you don’t want to get pulled into a pit don’t be in the vicinity of the pull as well as don’t have a pit in-between you and your foe. Seriously some people need to stop whining and L2P.

Its funny today on my engi i would go to a point step on the glass switch to tool kit and used my #5 skill magnet and pull people into the pit. This map requires no skill. If you think pressing 1 button and instantly killing someone requires skill you must be a hot join hero.

uberkingkong.8041:

That’s just like khylo if they can hold there own treb.

What? Oh yah you are the guy who thinks using 1 cc skill to knock someone to their death is skill. Also the Skyhammer is removed from tpvp thank god.

jportell.2197:

Oh yeah it eliminated downed state too like people wanted…. It made guardian consecration skills more useful.
It is the only map where condition spam isn’t the meta. It is a map where warriors and engines should actually be feared.
It made the secondary mechanic a big deal like people wanted, conquest isn’t the only objective like people wanted….

It gets here, “OMG THIS MAP SO BAD REMOVE NOW!” we are back to temple, forest, legacy, khylo…..
Thanks…..

Those maps are B-A-L-A-N-C-E-D. A good engi and a good warrior are already feared

If you want to play skyhammer play it on one of the many skyhammer only hotjoin servers. Maps that have an insta kill mechanic do not belong in competitive pvp

IT had a cool design but the whole i knock you off the map or lawl the floor can break or the 10k undodgable massive radius aoe made it very bad for tpvp

Isaac.6041:

Quit bashing the playtesters just because you got stomped in Skyhammer.

Any map that allows a player to instantly kill a person with 1 skill doesn’t belong in tpvp or rated pvp. Its a fine and fun map for hot join.

Really? is this true!!! THANK THE HEAVENS!!!

Anet for the love of god remove this map from tpvp we had a fair poll and it showed the tpvp community did not want this map. But of course polls are invalid on the forums -_-. Its a fun hot join map not a tpvp map.

Allie Murdock.8152:

No knee-jerks here, just trying to get a feel for things! Thanks!

Look the number of ways to get pushed off makes this map unplayable for tpvp. If the map remains how it is please make it hot join for now.
For tpvp these changes or something like them need to occur
1. Remove the breakable floor panels at points A and C the back wall is already open their doesnt need to be an overkill of ways to be killed
2. Reduce the cannons damage make it dodgeable and blockable
3. Make jump pads action skills instead of touching them and flying. ITs very annoying when you are using a gap closer and you touch one and you fly up into the air.
Those 3 simple things and this map would be great for tpvp if you dont want to make these changes please remove it from the tourny rotation the majority of tpvpers do not like this map. Its amazing for hot join but not competitive play
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Survey-about-skyhammer-map/first#post2388121 The thread showing tpvpers dont want it unless changes

Allie Murdock.8152:

What I was trying to gauge by asking the template question was whether or not folks are open to changing their build if it was more convenient for them or if it was a matter of them only wanting to play one build for eternity. I can see that it’s a mix of both, now.

The reason why the Cannon control room is small is because the cannon itself is powerful so we didn’t want to make it easier for players to dominate the cannon and continuously hammer those on the field with no consequence. With that in mind, do you still feel the space is too small? Also, with the small space in mind, do you still feel that the shots should be dodge-able?

Are you guys saying that you would prefer to have a less powerful cannon that is easier to defend?

Remove it from tpvp please as long as their is instant kill mechanics is doesnt belong in tpvp the majority of the community agrees its a fun map for hot join not tpvp

http://poll.pollcode.com/rgdcx_result?v please vote so can get a proper sample

http://poll.pollcode.com/rgdcx_result?v please vote so we can have a actual sample

http://poll.pollcode.com/rgdcx_result?v please vote so we can have a actual sample

Remove it from tpvp please it has no place their. Having insta kill mechanics is never good for competitive play it is a fun and fine map for HOT JOIN.
The only way this map will be good and enjoyable for tpvp is
1. Remove falling off the map/breakable platforms
2. Make the jump booster pads action skills instead of them automatically launching you
3. Nerf the cannons damage and make it dodge able
The majority of the tpvp communicant dislike having this map in rotation.

Dislike it whoever thought instant kill mechanics in tpvp was good idea needs to be fired

I have three accounts lol.3859:

A lotta mad cuz bad in here

Not at all i think its a fun map its just not fit for tpvp in the state it is in.

In order to make all the other tpvp maps “fun” like skyhammer and not boring like how they are i purpose some changes!!!
1. Battle of Kyhlo- The treb can no longer be dodged, increase the area size by 50%, and instantly kills you.

2. Raid of capiricorn- The water is now LAVA the cannon now does 10k damage rapid fire and cannot be dodged

3. Legacy of the Foefire- The lord and his gaurds randomly roam the map 1 shotting anything near. Use your mad skillz and leet positioning to survive

4. Forest of Niflhel- The bosses are now unkillable and roam around 1 shotting all the players, Random parts of the map will vanish allowing you to fall to your death with “skill”

5. Spirit Watch- Any fall now instantly kills you changed the entire map to narrow walk ways whoever has the orb does a 10k unavoidable nuke in a massive radius around them

6. Temple of the Silent Storm- Getting any of the commune buffs now destroys an area around the map. The temple has become unstable allowing players to fall to their death. Use all that skill positioning and avoiding all those skill ccs

Now to be serious. The map is fun its zany but it isn’t a tournament map unfortunately. The fact that you can insta kill anyone at any time with a single CC is not okay for tpvp. If you want to play this map do it on one of the many skyhammer only hot join servers. People are saying its all about skill and positioning sure its a bit about position until the cannon covers the entire point you are on and you have to move or eat a 10k nuke. But skill no the only skill is a illusion. Also you do know how ridiculous sounding it is to say the entire meta of a game changes for one map? I would love sky hammer in tpvp but a few changes need to happen.
1. No more breakable floors and no more falling of the map.
2. Make the jump pads “action/interact” skills I am tired of slightly touching them and flying through the air or using a gap closer and touching one.
3. Make the cannon function exactly like treb damage and all. I’m fine with how big the area is as long as its dodgeable and blockable
Thats it 3 easy things and this map is ready for tpvp.

You want this map to be in tournys? Remove the breakable floors remove the fact the fact that you can be knocked off the map make the jump pads interactive like picking up a bundle instead of “lawl you lightly touched it when using a gap closer your kittened now” and lastly either remove the cannon or reduce its damage to that of the trebs and make it destructible and give it no way to be repaired

Its a fun map its just not a tourny map. If you want to play skyhammer it should be spvp i have seen tons of skyhammer only 5v5 8v8 and 10v10 maps go play those just please remove it from tpvp. Any map that have a 1 shot completely unfair change your build for this 1 map mechanic should not be in tpvp

Best map for hot join not tpvp. Love playing it in hot join but not tpvp its to serious

If this becomes a tourny map so many tpvpers will quit because of how unbalanced the map is /thread

My two problem with it is sometimes you can dodge through it and still get feared. Also some times i swear i havn’t touched it and i’ve gotten feared i think the graphic for it might be a bit to skinny like the wall is a bit thicker then the graphic but idk a test would be nice.

uberkingkong.8041:

kitten s.7421:

237933kittenhan.5236:

kitten s.7421:

The map is made for hot joins not Tourny play. Please remove it from the quene so people who do tournys can do so and enjoy them again. If you want to play the new map go to a custom arena their are tons of them that are 10v10 8v8 5v5.

They also have the other crappy maps like Kyhlo and Foefire(boring) where others can’t enjoy tournaments. So you should be able to deal with a few days of this map only. Be happy: at least it is not at weekend and friday it will rotate again.

Those two maps you mentioned were designed for tpvp and i happen to enjoy both of them. They are well balanced and their no jump here or else you instantly die mechanic or a hahaha the floor is breakable you instantly die mechanic or a unkillable 10k nuking machine that covers an entire point that you cannot dodge. This map was made for hot join when i play hot join i will play this map. When i play tpvp i dont want this map and neither do other tpvpers.

Edit how do i change my sig lol i dont even play a mesmer anymore

L2P then you wont have issues of falling through floors.
In khylo you have instant death, if your health is less than 10% and you get pushed off trebuchet platform you instantly die.

Really L2P? Are you serious? Any map that has instant death mechanics isn’t a tpvp map this is a hot join map. Are you really comparing falling off the treb platform in khylo to all the breakable spots on both close points that reduce the size of the area by 40% You dont tpvp a lot do you?

uberkingkong.8041:

kitten s.7421:

Its a interesting map but it is not a tourny map please remove it from the queue. If you want to play it join one of the hundred Skyhammer only maps in spvp

With raid on Capricorn you had underwater which made it not a tournament map, with spirit watch you have people using speedhacks which makes it not a tournament map.

With skyhammer its just all skill, have to learn how to dodge and avoid the knockbacks. Theres nothing un balanced about skyhammer. No reason for it to not be a tournament map. The cannon works pretty similar to trebuchet in khylo one thing different is easier to aim and hits harder.

Their is no skill involved with skyhammer lol jesus christ. Its lolololol look here the floor is breakable look here theirs an undodgeable 10k nuke with an area that is big enough to cover a point. Its not about dodging its the fact that their are mechanics that instantly kill you. I like this map is intresting when i do hot join i will play it when i do tpvp i don’t want ways to fall to my death. The only way this could be a tpvp map is if they remove every possible way for you to fall to your death. No more breakable floors no more open back walls and if they made the jump pads an action skill instead of a lawl you slightly touch it and you fly and if they made the cannon kill able and gave it a little amount of life and when its dead it stays dead. Then this map would be amazing for tournys.

Luthan.5236:

kitten s.7421:

The map is made for hot joins not Tourny play. Please remove it from the quene so people who do tournys can do so and enjoy them again. If you want to play the new map go to a custom arena their are tons of them that are 10v10 8v8 5v5.

They also have the other crappy maps like Kyhlo and Foefire(boring) where others can’t enjoy tournaments. So you should be able to deal with a few days of this map only. Be happy: at least it is not at weekend and friday it will rotate again.

Those two maps you mentioned were designed for tpvp and i happen to enjoy both of them. They are well balanced and their no jump here or else you instantly die mechanic or a hahaha the floor is breakable you instantly die mechanic or a unkillable 10k nuking machine that covers an entire point that you cannot dodge. This map was made for hot join when i play hot join i will play this map. When i play tpvp i dont want this map and neither do other tpvpers.

Edit how do i change my sig lol i dont even play a mesmer anymore

Its a interesting map but it is not a tourny map please remove it from the queue. If you want to play it join one of the hundred Skyhammer only maps in spvp

The map is made for hot joins not Tourny play. Please remove it from the quene so people who do tournys can do so and enjoy them again. If you want to play the new map go to a custom arena their are tons of them that are 10v10 8v8 5v5.

No for the love of god no. This was definitely a map made with hot join in mind please remove it from the rotation its an annoying map the points are hard as kitten to bunker with all the knock back and the horrible idea that you can cause holes in the floor that cause you to fall to your death. This map extremely favors roamers to bunkers in every aspect. Also the fact that the cannon can cover an entire point and you cannot block or dodge it is ridiculous. Differently not a tourny map.

It hits for 2k-3k non crt and 5k-6k crt its an amazing skill and it should be hard to land because of the damage it does thats called balance. Just do a cc before you use it or predict were the enemy is going to be. Personally I love Final thrust its so good

Engis are far from useless learn to play your class. Honestly people kitten about how anets slow and steady changes suck then they do a big patch and even more people kitten. Engis are fine patches happen changes happen the difference between a good and a bad player is good players can adapt bad players cannot.
/thread
Also i dont main a mesmer anymore i just forgot how to change my sig =P

If a penalty for leaving tournys is going to be implemented can we have some restrictions of people who enter tournys? Like a level requirement or maybe a tutorial explaining this is a tournament what you do and how teamwork is important! I run tournys a lot solo and with a team when some are on but they are not always on and i like the fact that i can leave a tourny when i find out my team is full of hot join kittenes who dont grasp that tournys require strategy not running around going for kills.

I was wrong lol after doing tournys all day i can safely say that necros are an issue right now. Running every cleanse and stability i can as an ele the pressure they bring is great if its 1 necro but 2 necros and its evacuate the area

Sigh if any class got a big buff lets say warriors all these posts would be about how op warriors and how every team runs double warrior. People need to calm the kitten down its been 4 days

SIgh let me say this again, Also don’t take all damage utility spells you know that condi classes are very common now so how about taking some condi removal and stability?
Seriously though its been 3 days this would happen with any class. Any class that gets a buff like this is going to see a massive influx in the meta. You just have to wait and adapt a bit.
My ele i took earth Armour cleasning fire and mist form to counter all the condis
MY mesmer took arcane thievery and null field and portal sure.
My necro i stoped running condi damage and bunker wells and been doing amazing with it
My Gaurdian well i have always ran shout build so i have been fine
MY warrior running shouts and mace now cces help alot against necros
Changes happen just try to counter it until the meta stabilizes I know for a fact if warriors got a massive buff this thread would be about how op they are. Just adapt for now and see what happens

Seriously though its been 3 days this would happen with any class. Any class that gets a buff like this is going to see a massive influx in the meta. You just have to wait and adapt a bit.
My ele i took earth Armour cleasning fire and mist form to counter all the condis
MY mesmer took arcane thievery and null field and portal sure.
My necro i stoped running condi damage and bunker wells and been doing amazing with it
My Gaurdian well i have always ran shout build so i have been fine
MY warrior running shouts and mace now cces help alot against necros
Changes happen just try to counter it until the meta stabilizes I know for a fact if warriors got a massive buff this thread would be about how op they are. Just adapt for now and see what happens

Lordrosicky.5813:

Lopez.7369:

That’s not what I said. There are plenty of great necromancers saying the class is too strong right now. I like to think I’m one of them.

But if someone is below 70 percentile, I’m not sure he’s fit to declare his class “so freaking overpowered.” At that level, individual skill plays a much bigger role than class mechanics.

Why so? The game should be balanced at all levels and be fun for all levels. Even those like me who suck deserve to have a fun balanced game. Just like the mega pros like you deserve the same.

You are the person who said dreathshroud 5 was as good as the ranger elite skill the root one. No one can take you serious. Also its been 3 days since the patch lol dont you think its a little early for all this qq?

Lopez.7369:

How would replacing burning with torment not make sense? Neither scale with power. Both scale with condition damage. In fact, three stacks of torment do about the same damage on a moving target as burning, regardless of condition damage. (I recommend looking up how abilities and conditions scale in this game if this seems like a wrong claim to you.)

It would obviously be a nerf to coverage, but that’s the point. Ncromancers are currently applying too many conditions in one or two attacks. Throw in Terror and the damage is unmanageable.

By the way, Close to Death is objectively better for power builds than Dhuumfire. It’s way more DPS and burst. It’s not even close.

Anyway, I agree with the people questioning the buffs to fears. I think fear is literally the last aspect of the class that needed a buff.

My overall suggestions:

Change Dhuumfire to apply three stacks of torment for four seconds instead of burning. Keep the 10-second inner cooldown.

Switch Terror and Withering Precision in the trait line. Nerf Terror by 10 percent to 20 percent.

Make Doom’s fear last 1 second default no matter the range.

Make Spectral Wall apply three stacks of torment instead of fear.

Its been 3 days since the change relax people need to adjust strats and the meta needs to reestablish then we will see what is OP

What about this Epidemic only spreads the conditions from the necromancer not all the conditions on the target if it already doesn’t do this. Nothing as really changed about fear thought it got a .5 second increase and spectral wall got fear. It is legitly 3 days after the patch can we wait a little bit before we discuss balance.

Hmmm it also looks like mid point is really far away from the close points
I really like the maps design should be extremely fun

The portal leads to the treb i remember a while back ago they said the new map will have 1 treb so it would make sense.

Lordrosicky.5813:

kitten s.7421:

Engis get a talent for 10 points in explosives witch is a very good trait line that applies 4 secs of burning whenever you crt with no ICD
Necros get a a talent for 30 points in spite witch is a god awful trait line that applies 4 seconds of burning on crt with a 10second ICD
People are really complaining about this?

Engis trait has the same icd. Engi doesnt have fear though does it. Necro needs burning but perhaps its fear should now be toned down slightly (duration on doom for example) to compensate slightly.

They added a .5 of a second to the fear duration…. But fine nerf fear but give necros something else to compensate like stability or vigor. I don’t fun fear builds anyway god kitten people in this game

You know that Terror doesnt do more damage the more conditions people have on them right? I have never seen terror do the insane damage people say it does and it is Legitly impossible to 100-0 someone with fear. Pics/video or its just kittenes qqing because they cant take 3 damage utility skills anymore

Engis get a talent for 10 points in explosives witch is a very good trait line that applies 4 secs of burning whenever you crt with no ICD
Necros get a a talent for 30 points in spite witch is a god awful trait line that applies 4 seconds of burning on crt with a 10second ICD
People are really complaining about this?

I’m actually happy anet does this slow and steady balance and doesn’t listen to the forums because you are all dumbkittens

Jesus everyone in this game is kittening stupid. This is how necros have pretty much always been the buff did very little. Also quit kittening about burning maybe 5% of necros took that trait because that trait line is kittening useless. You know about the boon named Stability i heard its pretty good to have. I am tired of people thinking they can take 3 damage utilities and LOLROFLSTOMP everything in their path take some condi removal some cc maybe some stability and protection not 3 kittening damage still and expect to kill everything. But im sure you all already do that and its not your fault you got outplayed because you are all amazing unique made skillz pvp and everyother class is OP and your class is so underpowered but you do so well with it because you are amazing.

Ant.3415:

Oh sure I’ll just remove ALL of the conditions they are putting on me while fearing me for 13k. Terror Necro is fine. They needed a big buff but once again Anet went too far.

You have been hit by a 13k terror? kitten please

You do understand you can still hit people in stealth right? They don’t get some sort of immunity. Theirs a reason you can use your 1 attack without a target or you could just put an ground target aoe on yourself their is literally hundreds of ways to deal with stealth and qqing on the forums isnt one of them