Guild Wars 2

Benkei.6293:

a warrior will double their life pools and leech 100% of the guardian buffs and heals ending up with more effectiveness overall at the end.

“Leech” would suggest that the warriors does nothing in return for the guardian and team they are partied up with.

Could you expand on the difference between “tedious map crawling” and “exploring the content”?

Spoj The Second.7680:

I solo it on warrior or ele. Dont have time to spend all day on necro. :/

Spoj also doesn’t have time to bleed.

Brother Grimm.5176:

My take on this is that after the change, if Zerkers can prove they are not longer near the top of the DPS output in the game, then these complaints have some merit and should be taken seriously. Otherwise, Anet is doing what needs to be done to try and promote some build diversity into the game. Period.

Just curious… what constitutes not being “near the top of the DPS output in the game” to all of you?

Let’s say we have a person who uses the exact same trait setup, but uses 2 different sets, Zerker and X (where X could be Soldiers, Valk, Rabid, etc.). How far “ahead” would people say Zerker should be in compared to X in terms of DPS?

DigitalKirin.9714:

Words that gave him the benefit of the doubt.

kyubi.3620:

nah im not kidding i got asura not uncatorized. blahblahlies

http://dulfy.net/2013/02/25/gw2-arenanet-looking-into-condition-caps/

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1037-qa-with-colin-johanson-part-iv/

Consider this:
The overhead to determine if a hit is successful or not is the same for both a condition backloaded attack and a direct damage hit. They both still have to go through the process of checking range/LOS/hitboxes/etc.

With direct damage, it does a lookup of your character’s stats, calculates damage once, then it’s done.

With condition damage, it looks up your character’s stats each time a damage tick goes off. This is the “extra processing” that they’re talking about. To me, it would make sense to calculate the damage per tick once (at the instant of successful hit determination) and store that in the condition’s struct. It doesn’t make sense to me if you fire your bow and put a stack of bleed on something, then gain 3 might and all of a sudden your bleed starts doing more damage.

“Pass down your set of Zojja’s gear when you decide to go for a more balanced build.”
- Plotting against us. I knew it.

Spoj The Second.7680:

Impressive getting 3 tier 3 fractals in 1 run.

I was thinking the same thing, but then I thought, “Maybe his french to english translator converts uncategorized to asura.”

What kind of sigils did you order for your breadsticks and what runes do you have baked into the crust of the pizza?

It’s like Kralkatorrik swallowed an adventurer and a rainbow then farted you out o___o

How do you get auras to stack, btw? I’ve had it accidentally happen to me a few times.

Zenith.7301:

And the kicker is that after 2 hours I finally found a group composed of 1 ranger, 1 warrior, 1 guardian, 1 mesmer, and 1 ele (me). We breezed through the 50 fractal faster than some of those heavies only groups I’ve had (where im the only light armor and they grudgingly can’t be bothered to kick me, though some still do).

The kicker is that the general consensus in the Dungeon subforum is that you really don’t want so many heavies in your party. You guys are really preaching to the choir here. The people you’re upset about are PUGs that really never check the forums. Or if they do, they’re so set with their ways that they won’t listen to reason on anybody’s side.

Really, if you want to promote CHANGE in PUGs… form your own party. Enlighten them. Show them how valuable a group that can provide diverse, synergistic buffs can be.

flipyap.5789:

Sorry for not having a dungeon and all that, I entered in the tyrian beauty contest and the OP just forgot about us.

Sounds rough. I think you missed the spirit of this particular contest, however.

flipyap.5789:

Honestly, you’ll get alot more participants if you put this in the “In Game events” Forum.

Perhaps it’s not quantity, but quality that Lilith is going for. Or perhaps she prefers the company of her fellow dungeon subforumers?

Regardless, color me springtime-ily interested. Hopefully I can cajole a few of my guildies into some photo-ops.

Edit: What’s your desktop size, btw, Lilith? 1920×1080?

dutchiez.7502:

DigitalKirin.9714:

They should make a leaderboard. And take away everyone’s skins so that it starts fairly.

And then tell everyone they weren’t really ready when the patch launched and remove the entire wardrobe altogether.

Let people know they’ve implemented the precursor hunt… Unlockable at lvl 81.

They should make a leaderboard. And take away everyone’s skins so that it starts fairly.

Well at least they didn’t reset everyone’s armor skins to level 30 armor skins.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I… Was agreeing with you T.T why so mean?

Lilith, I thought it was quite pithy.

There are certain people you should always ignore.

Advent Leader.1083:

On elitism with runs, is it okay to forgive a guard that staffs in combat if he drops fire fields first?

Doubtful. The group will maintain higher DPS if there’s a little precoordination and people can blast your fire field and you just stick to a higher DPS weapon than staff.

What is your prl?

I’ll take one too, but could you make mine with a slightly lavender tint? It’d go great for my mesmer.

Kthxbailovuall2wif<3s

Ryoki Hokishami.2756:

Like an example would be where a player would ask for help with stats in map chat, or something of the like, then as soon as they say “I’m a ranger”, map chat will suddenly have people going “lol, rangers” or like “delete your character”, things that I’m used to, but are still annoying, but to new players could easily be considered abusive conduct. I’ve seen this happen. I’m not just making a hypothetical situation.

I guess my new point is: you don’t want a ranger in your group for a speed clear? That’s fine. Your choice/ the group’s choice. But why the heck do people have to chew people out for playing what’s fun when it’s literally none of their business?

Perfectly understandable to be confused by the vitriol of some people. In a sense, they’re being prejudice against these people. But it’s a prejudice that comes from negative experiences such as the ones described in this thread. It feels unfair to have people be prejudice against a choice you’ve made, but it is a truism throughout all of life and not limited to just rangers in GW2. You will be judged as those you choose to associate yourself with.

In the end, I think the greatest thing in our power is to stop saying things like “I don’t care” and to show people the value of your profession. If rangers can break the stereotype they’ve created for themselves, then negative opinion will start to die down (I don’t think it’ll ever disappear, but you’ll run across it less). To do that, of course, it really comes down to understanding what others want… to “care” about other people and what they’re doing.

Ryoki Hokishami.2756:

I play it to have fun.

I think most people actually play the game to have fun. Even the people asking for optimal builds in their dungeon runs.

Ryoki Hokishami.2756:

I don’t care if someone in my dungeon group is sub-optimal. I don’t really care if i’m suboptimal.

Personally, I respect your opinion and your requirements or non-requirements for your own dungeon run. However, I think it important to realize that each and every person’s opinion is just as valid as the next person’s. So while you might not care, someone else might.

Personally, I think it is the right of the person forming the group to set the standards that people should meet if they would like to join the party.

Ryoki Hokishami.2756:

I don’t really understand WHY it matters to so many people.

And that’s fine, you don’t have to understand why… just understand that some people find it important to them.

I think we’d have a lot less conflict if people who formed parties really took the time to write out their comments, and people who seek to join parties would read the comments and not hope and pray that the party they join doesn’t notice that they don’t meet the requirements. But people will be people.

Drakent.9605:

Wow English is my second language and even I know that (To me) doesn’t = my opinion

English is not my second language. So mayhaps you missed something in your studies. To me, it does equate to saying “in my opinion”.

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=393146

Seems other people agree.

Drakent.9605:

first of all I never use the word cheating so I don’t know why the hell you ppl keep saying that

Drakent.9605:

Being able to pop cd that aloud you to avoid 80% of the damage and have the cd last by the time you are done because you are able to dps him down before that happens is no different then climbing a wall and attack the boss from there

So in other words, are you saying that climbing a wall and attacking the boss from there isn’t cheating?

To me = In my opinion
it = your statement
is rather insulting = is rather insulting.

In my opinion, your statement is rather insulting.

Edit: I write fairly eloquently. (And I’m humble too.) Perhaps the one who isn’t able to use “allowed” or “too” correctly in a sentence is the one that needs to consider improving their reading and writing comprehension.

Drakent.9605:

Do you know that ppl almost never use dodge?

That was 1 of biggest problem that I stated on the beginning of this post, do the fact that a zerker build player is accustomed to down the boss so fast they never use dodge but if that zerker player is in a group that cant down a boss after the 20 sec time they start droping like flys

There’s definitely a lot of assumptions going on in this statement. People who play zerk tend to learn the intelligent use of dodge more quickly than those who don’t. The reason behind this is that a player who doesn’t rely on passive defense stats (toughness, vit, healing) must rely on their active defenses (dodge, aegis, invulns, reflects) more.

To me, it is rather insulting that you should belittle people’s intelligence and energy into planning and executing a fight with a boss to push the boundaries of killing them quickly. They come at problems with forethought and all you can do is sit back and say, “That’s cheating.”

Before belittling their efforts, I would entreat you to actually walk a mile in their shoes. Put on full zerk gear, learn how to play the game as they do, then compare the effort of doing so to how you normally play. It really isn’t as easy as it looks.

You’ve basically equated using damage reducing/nullifying skills to using terrain exploits to prevent the monster from even being able to attempt to attack you. There is no logic in that.

Drakent.9605:

I am speaking of the ability to make a fight so short that you can use the ability of negate monster damage with out the lack of any intelligent behind the use of it.

Having to use a ability at the best time possible to negate monster damage is a intelligent use of skill , but popping all your negate damage skill at the start of every boss fight is call a rotation which requires 0 intelligence from your part

And what happens when using the ability at the start of the fight IS the most intelligent time to use the skill?

Drakent.9605:

What you doing Is reading between the line or interpreting things on your own words,
CD to avoid damage should be use to help you avoid damage for a period of time not to fully stop you from taking damage, because the zerker build is making the fight so shorts all the def skill are being use as a way to make the group immune from any damage for the entire fight

No. I’m showing you how illogical your argument is.

Intelligent use of skill to negate a monster’s damage does not equate to removing the ability of the monster to attack you.

Drakent.9605:

Being able to pop cd that aloud you to avoid 80% of the damage and have the cd last by the time you are done because you are able to dps him down before that happens is no different then climbing a wall and attack the boss from there

You’d be comfortable saying, then, that anything that allowed (not aloud, btw) you to avoid damage from a boss is essentially the same as “climbing a wall and attack the boss from there”?

So Aegis (100% damage reduction for an attack), Dodge (100% damage reduction for .75 seconds), Feedback/WoR/SotA/iWardens (100% damage reduction for some fights) would all be exploits? Perhaps we should just delete the entire Guardian and Mesmer class? Maybe in the next features update they can remove dodge?

haviz.1340:

I think the word “exploit” gets thrown way too often, mostly when you don’t like something.

Watch out, haviz. People might exploit you.

Drakent.9605:

I agree with you in some point but what ppl fail to understand or deny is that the berserker build is an exploit and let me explain why.

-snipsnip-

Berserker build is an exploit… seriously? Because if people are intelligent and know how to use abilities that keep them alive, that’s cheating the game?

Edit: perhaps the definition of exploit you’re using is different from the one commonly thrown about. What is your exact definition of exploit in this? (I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.)

Oh hey. 15 points of ferocity = 1% crit at lvl80. I guess we can start mathing now.

kyubi.3620:

Was your party a described party? You only get what you ask for as a general rule.

Lindbur.2537:

Dub

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Lilith

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her friend

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her guildmate

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and myself

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Warrior can solo run corrosive light without having to step outside to retrait. That will be nice.

When lacking luck, play smarter to increase your wealth.

Mystic forge = lotto. Lotto requires luck. If you think you have no luck… stands to reason you shouldn’t throw your money away on it (unless you’ve done the math and reeeaaaally know how to earn profit on it in the long run).

Edit: Also, don’t worry about what other people get. Too many people worry about “keeping up with the Joneses”.

/shrug depends on the party temperament. I wouldn’t kick someone for using it, but then again, I wasn’t in the group.

Utility-wise, which is probably what they were concerned with, you should ask yourself, what do Hounds REALLY do to help the party? If you’re looking to use them for a bit of fun, I’d suggest finding a more casual group to use them in. Sometimes that isn’t just the comments, but also the “vibe” or feeling you get from running with them. Either way, I’d take this as a lesson that maybe cost you a gold or two. Pretty cheap compared to what some people pay.

Renewed Focus.

Are you sure it was your elite skill that caused it? You don’t perchance use Staff as a DPS weapon, or use cleric’s/pvt gear and 0/0/30/30/10 AH build, do you?

As for the why: Renewed Focus gives you an extra potential group aegis/group condition cleanse/aoe blind.

noobgood.8762:

DigitalKirin.9714:

Mai Trin insta-resses him like Hunter/Crusher.

Crusher resses with his signet that can be interrupted afaik

Gotcha – well, Mai Trin has some animation for it as well, I think. We only killed him once for the achieve. Either way, he gets ressed by her was the impression I get.

Mai Trin insta-resses him like Hunter/Crusher.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Honestly, I find this topic amusing, because ever since I saw that cleric run where they unbound dodge, I’m convinced cleric gear has ruined the game.

Why do the words I think come out of your mouth? :o

layzoe.6035:

Oh really.. can you tell me which ones.. because I only know of one.. the retreat.. most of the time I am banging my head against my desk because she’s too slow.

Blink? Are you talking about sword 2 and Judges Intervention because blink is a mesmer utility.

Save Yourselves, Retreat, then the Symbol on staff 3 are the ones they’re probably talking about. The blink he’s probably talking about is sword 2… blink being a general term that’s become synonymous with teleport. When trying to cross country quickly as guardian you can (in addition to SY, Retreat, and staff 3) use the gswd leap, and you can use sword2 if you target something far away enough.

Dub.1273:

Alright, pets aint allowed to deal damage then. Sorry Tom.

Disqualify all rangers!

Dalanor.5387:

The changes looks nice and exciting, i hope they will have some super awesome GM trait for necromancers.

Regen while in deathshroud.

>.>;;;

Well there’s always next unveil!

Shield of the Avenger destroys projectiles. That will keep you “safer” than wall of reflection if you aren’t able to get the wall right on her.

There’s a few nice alternatives as well. Instead of fighting her in the center, there’s a box of crates that kind of stick out from the wall when you first walk in the area that you can use to safely pull her to fight as well as hide behind during the spin attack.

http://youtu.be/b-TooTDEMXo

You can see his windup in the video for the pull and how Sandy dodges it. ALTERNATIVELY, you can just use things that destroy projectiles (untraited warden) to properly destroy the scorpion wire.

Best of luck!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

maxinion.8396:

The button to instantly refund all traits, previously seen only in structured PvP areas, has become game-wide.

Oh man, dungeoning has become so much better. No excuses for not retraiting from bad WvW builds! This is going to increase our flexibility so much. Very cool change.

Very excited for this, definitely!

:D Absolutely!

In other news, there’s some bruhaha about playing with traits starting at 30 instead of 11. That does kind of make me a lil sad.

They’re killing the 14/14/14/14/14 build. What ever happened to I play how I want…?

Stability, dodge, watch for tells, condition cleansing.

*coughUnborkingtheforumcough*

You know, I enjoy coming to the dungeon forums because there are people who are intensely interested in dissecting fights (like the Mai Trin thread) and perfecting tactics for the fight. It’s a breath of fresh air compared to: “Guys, can’t we just range lupi for phase 2? It’s easier for me”