Guild Wars 2

True, this isn’t the first MMO to have things like stacking.

FFXI had it in certain places where it just made sense. When you did things like fight Fafhogg or Jorm or a couple of the other grand dragons there, you wanted to avoid getting breathed on, and you didn’t want people in the side or rear arc (for fear of making the boss oneshot everyone with a Spike Flail). So everyone stacked up on his front paws.

Don’t forget to do the optional event to kill the legendary giants.

Dual, would you be willing to record a run with zero stacking (no hit box overlapping)?

I disagree, Ropechef. I don’t believe pulling a monster from their starting point is considered stacking.

Let’s take CoE for example, the first few trash mobs. Common PUG stacking tactic is to pull the first three into the beginning room just around the corner and kill them just around the corner. However, what if 4 players were spread out in the room and all using ranged weapons while the 5th player grabbed a single mob and pulled it out of the hallway and into the room? They’ve pulled the mob out of its “arena”, but if all players maintain a range of 600+ away from each other, have they “stacked” the mob they are fighting?

Line of Sight is Line of Sight, and is not stacking. You can use LOS tactics and not stack, and you can stack and not use LOS tactics.

In my opinion, I view stacking as the overlapping of character bodies. This also tends to mean an overlapping of hit boxes as well. I actually would say for the game’s sake that limbs (swinging swords, kicking or movement of feet) can be safely ignored and just the core of the body considered for what is overlapping. This is simply because actions are scripted and not dynamically affected by their surroundings. (Hundred Blades looks the same whether you do it in an open field or next to a tree where your blade clips the tree.)

P.S. To those saying things like “The definition of stacking is when you stack things,” using the word in the definition doesn’t help at all. >_<

Tachii.3506:

nerf reflection for arah p1 final boss pls ty

I would kite any projectile aimed at me into a teammate and then use his downed body as a “shield”, ressing him just enough to survive another hit if necessary. >.>;

…

I wonder if Warrior’s riposte/shield would block it and mesmer’s scepter/sword would block as well?

Ppl with their cool photoshop skills :P

I like my solution better:

Please make LFG comments that say exactly what type of players you’d like in your group. Those comments that just say “P1”? Yeah, those are the parties where everyone gets angry at each other for dying “because that other guy was using the wrong gear set.”

Also, please read LFG comments before joining and abide by them. Please don’t be that person that joins a Zerk only party but is “secretly” wearing another armor type. You’re basically like that guy in wvw who is “secretly” underleveled that is hanging out in the zerg.

That’s one bad motherf- shut’ cho mouth!
Jus’ talkin’ bout Shaft.

Not just dressed like a bear. Dressed like a silly ol’ bear.

https://obsproject.com/

This is what I’ve been using. Haven’t compared it to others yet, but it’s nice since no watermark, and it’s free to use.

Iris, it is my honor to award you with today’s prestigious +1 Trophy.

Also, this reminds me, before megaservers, I saw someone on SBI dressed like this:

First: 4
Second: 5
Third: 6

…
Don’t judge me on my bias. o_o;;

That’s only if you don’t have the AR to resist the agony during the “eating” phase. If you go to negative hp while being eaten, you just die.

Fight all three champ undead giants under the Arah p3 ritual tower at the same time. Not even sure if you can pull them all together.

Team RP need an engi? /Shredder claws

The way of the Lilith is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a Savant Coat.

Why golemancer runes? :|

While I love the first one (I use it on my character as well) I feel like the second piece matches the rest of the armor a bit better. The shoulders, the feet and gloves, the helm all have a heavier look… I don’t wanna say busy, but they’ve got a lot going on.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

What’s serk?

A type of coat.

Kiting: Staying out of range of your opponent so that their attacks would automatically fail. This usually causes them to attempt to move into range to use their attacks while you simultaneously move out of range of it. While kiting can be considered dodging, not all dodging can be considered kiting.

Dodging: Placing yourself in a position where an opponents attack will miss you. Note that this doesn’t mean that you move out of range. The opponent may still be able to make follow up attacks on you and you might still be hit by said follow up attacks.

Kiting Example. Notice the use of range and terrain.

Dodging Example. Notice the head motion.

HHR LostProphet.4801:

kiting = damagemitigation
dodging = damagemitigation

aegis = damagemitigation
?
aegis = kiting?

Seems like flawed logic to me.

Hey trunks, any word yet on full clear of Arah P1 through P4 yet?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Stacking-skipping-no-fun/first#post4055025

Trevor Boyer.6524:

They effect casual players with lesser gear/builds and lower leveled characters
Which is ridiculous considering it’s as hard as it is anyway when it’s labeled level 35

What I find interesting is that it is EXACTLY those very same casual players who have been requesting for the longest time that the Spider Queen use her Poison AoE in melee range.

Like:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fixing-dung-corner-stacking-stats-problem/first#post4086725

RemiRome.8495:

Is this real life?

Is this just fantasy?

Yes.
/15Aethercharrs.

Now they know we’re here.

Ropechef.6192:

you can still hit him in Melee while he spins that its just tricky to learn the distancing, “maximum melee range”. Try it sometime. when he starts spinning dodge back and start inching forward swinging auto until you hit him. but you don’t get hit yourself.

just keep practicing on your spacing, and bask in the awe of the pugs who faceplant while they shoot them selves to death in the face.

The danger is with PUGs that keep range attacking… while standing behind you.

“Tonight, I dine on turtle soup.”
From his secret base, the Technodrome, Shredder hatches his next ingenious plot to defeat the Turtles once and for all and then rule the world!

Blaise Thompson ~ Asura Engineer
Head: Emblazoned Helm
Shoulder: Medium Island Shoulders
Body: Council Watch Chestguard
Hands: Force of Koda
Legs: Vigil’s Honor Leggings
Feet: Medium Rubicon Boots
Weapons: His FISTS and razor sharp Shredder Claws!

I just got home! O_o haha, dunno if you still need one

DonQuack.9025:

As a infantry vet thank god the real world isnt so black and white.

I actually had a bit of trouble trying to word this inoffensively.

Fortunately, no offense taken.

DonQuack.9025:

I am not so .. simple where spelling stopping in middle of combat to hover over my name impresses my respect or adding smiles to chat ingame will somehow make me more willing to assist you when you are downed. You are on my team and based on preconceived theory of each members effectiveness they will get will get my help.

I didn’t say do this during combat.

Additionally, not everyone has been in the military like you and has trained to be part of a proper working team.

DonQuack.9025:

Though it has got me thinking… I do yell medic or ammo only in bf4 (voice chat) perhaps that discourages my friends from wanting to give me said supplies because I dont ask for it by name.

Ill be honest I think this is some hippie shallow feelgood nonsense but Ill try to type out names more often if it pleases you people.
Didnt realise people cared that much.

It’s a subtle thing. Most people wouldn’t notice. I’m not saying hit people over the head with false happiness. If calling a person by their name is being a hippie, then so be it, I guess. o_o;

Tachii.3506:

There is no “in the long run”, because when we pug, 99% chances I will NEVER see them again. Pretty sure almost nobody goes out of there way to remember account names either (since you can have the same Sam but with different numbers). If they’re not going to talk back even if you asked them a question, calling them by their character name probably isn’t going to make any significant difference in the same run either.

That depends on the scale of “short term” or “long run”. In my explanation, “Short term” was described right as you are typing. It seemed agreed upon that you saved time by just saying a person’s class instead of their name. e.g. “thief, are you gonna solo?” intead of “Tachii, are you gonna solo?”

Long run in my description was throughout a single dungeon run. I do agree that most pugs you won’t run into again. That wasn’t a concern. However, I think that people who do condition themselves to have a good attitude do tend to produce more positive reactions out of people they interact with.

Now will this work for every run? Of course not. But will you have a tendency to find things working better? I think so. It’s just my opinion, of course.

Tachii.3506:

Also, about objectifying, we do this all the time in real life. When we don’t know the name of people or their name is too long, we call them by their profession. Like “hey doctor/nurse/teacher/professor, etc”. Don’t think of that as objectifying people, it’s just easier to do so. Just like in real life, if it’s too difficult to pronounce, we tend to not call them anything so we won’t offend them. The same can be applied here, we don’t want to mispell or horribly give them some short name (I’ve been called Oddy which reminds me of some childish or mentally compromised person).

We do know the person’s name, however… since you can see it as soon as they join your party. While it’s understandable that some people might dislike seeing their name shortened, in my mind I’d say that there are less people who would expect you to type out their full name than people who’d prefer you call them by their name than the class they’re playing.

I don’t think mispronunciation is a factor since you’re just speaking through text.

Regarding profession, there is a certain honor at being called doctor, professor, etc. Those titles are earned.

Tachii.3506:

tl;dr, please don’t be offended just because we call you by your class.

It’s just a peeve of mine. I understand that some people don’t mean ill will by it. It just feels… like the person doesn’t care enough about their team to do something small like see what a person’s name is.

deSade.9437:

You stole the words right from my weary brain. Am I supposed to be impressed or flattered by someone that types a few silly faces while talking to me? :P <— see, now the sentence is much more polite!
:)

Oh, I agree that smilies aren’t supposed to be tossed onto statements to “hide” what you’re really saying with a statement. I’m not a proponent of putting a smilie behind every sentence you say to your party. However, using a smilie for what it was originally supposed to be for would be perfectly acceptable, in my mind. That is to help clarify your intentions because text can’t convey tonal meaning.

DonQuack.9025:

DigitalKirin.9714:

People who call their teammates by their profession instead of their names.

“Hey mesmer, can I get a portal?” or “Hey guardian, go pull those mobs.” or whatever.

I hate that. -_-#

Im sorry but profession is easier/faster than typing or trying to type the names unless youre char names are sam or jane.

Respectfully, I disagree, Don. It may be easier, but I think that your “speed gain” is only seen in the short term, and you potentially lose speed in the long run.

As mentioned above, you can still shorten people’s names to 3-5 characters – the same amount of characters to type mes or guard. So typing-wise you don’t save time. The only time lost would be in the process of memorizing people’s names, which can vary from person to person. At worst, you might have to mouseover a person’s portrait or glance down at your chat tab.

My thought is this:

When you call a person by their class instead of their name, you are objectifying them. You don’t generate respect from a person you objectify. It being a pet peeve of others here as well, if they’re like me, they’re probably less prone to helping a person if they’ve been objectified by them.

The subtle acts that you use to weave a team together become the grease that helps it work smoothly. Being sociable, calling people by their names – even if it’s shortened – dropping smilies in chat at the right spots/times, thanking people, all encourage people to help each other out. Does it work every time? Certainly not, but instances of people being more willing to help you out will increase.

The benefits are longterm. If someone respects you, they’re more likely to go out of their way to work with you and help you out. If you ask something reasonable of them, they’ll probably agree. “Hey Don, do you have EA set up on your war? would you be able to use it? Thanks”

Also consider that if you get in a spot of trouble, people who respect you are more willing to help out you. If they don’t respect you, they’re more likely to watch you suffer instead. If someone you don’t respect gets downed at mossman, do you think to yourself, “I’d better help him rally,” or do you think, “Well maybe he’ll do something smart and attack a wolf to rally. Hope he doesn’t expect me to walk over there and actually res him.”

The time I think you save is in generating a team that works together to make the run better, rather than 5 individuals who are just hoping to “get through” the dungeon. It’s just touching on human psychology. That’s where I think you gain in the long term.

People who call their teammates by their profession instead of their names.

“Hey mesmer, can I get a portal?” or “Hey guardian, go pull those mobs.” or whatever.

I hate that. -_-#

WvW. You will possibly want different armor sets for the different game modes.

As for trying to learn how to use berserkers, it may be a difficult road, but it’s really worth it. I approve of your willingness to learn. I personally started with like 3ish pieces of knights gear mixed in with my zerk, then slowly switched it out as I felt more comfortable.

Number of builds we have is actually pretty decent for each class, from what I can see. I think it’d be awesome if ranger and necro had more builds.

Question not the 2 hour limitations. The whims of The Lilith are mysteries wrapped in enigmas wrapped in soft shelled tacos.

Jeremlloyd.6837:

DigitalKirin.9714:

Iris Ng.9845:

Yep yep… swag for my sweet 18 birthday (yesterday) <3

Happy 18th, Iris!

She’s older than that but sssshhhhh

Women are as old as they say they are. o_o;;;

Edit: Unless they’re trying to jailbait you. In which case don’t believe them.

Iris Ng.9845:

Yep yep… swag for my sweet 18 birthday (yesterday) <3

Happy 18th, Iris!

My take on situations:

I don’t mention a thing and let them die a couple of times, then ask in party chat, “Hey, mind if I make a few suggestions? Might be helpful for this fight/run/whatever.”

If they say, “No, we got it” or anything of the sort, I’ll keep my mouth shut. Anytime I’ve given advice, people have been appreciative, but I always make sure to ask them if they want advice before giving it.

Boyd.5438:

but from all my experience ingame i have imo, the best way to make someone understand, is to make fun of them and provoke, so they avoid being the joke.

Just me speaking here, but I personally feel like this is the worst way to communicate and make someone understand. I usually think that being well mannered and positive works really well… OH and knowing when to just walk away from a conversation well before it comes to butting heads.

For people that you walk away from, it’s best to just let them experience things on their own… far far away from you.

Was it a necro? It was a necro, I bet. One of those “transfer conditions” necros or something. Was I right? Did I win a prize?

1. Make your own party with the words “Low level characters welcome.”
2. Go with guildies who are also bringing their low level alts so you don’t have to PUG anyone.

Nice options to have, and better to have these options than to not have it. Imagine if every dungeon Was lv 80 required.

Keltach.8049:

If it’s meta why are you using a screwdriver? Wouldn’t a drill be more efficient?

It is the non-meta that’s using the screwdriver in my example.

Keltach.8049:

So all non meta users are idiots? Wow great comparison. I’m sorry all meta players are so brilliant

Well. I’m not gonna say idiot. Those are your words, not mine. Though, you did misread what I wrote.

trunks.5249:

what i have learned from this excellent experience is that stacking is for the people that are not skilled and skipping is for the lazy

This is also the wrong lesson to learn. Many of the people who are able to do lvl 50 fractals, or solo various bosses or even whole fractal levels stack and skip. And they are definitely some of the most skilled players ing GW2.

trunks.5249:

its not about speed run its about having fun my friend

What if the people in the video are having fun? You know… playing the game the way they want to play?

trunks.5249:

sounds like a challenge that will be tons of fun.i have one of them on friends list i make that happen next time there on

o_o)-b

It is a challenge. I am excited to hear your findings, please let us know.

Edit: Do you guys also do optional events? There’s an optional event I’ve done once in Arah P4 where you have to collect some gears and stuff to kill off some giants. I’d say you should add that in as well if you do optional stuff. Like fighting Kholer.

Edit 2: As far as the person who left your group, they are most likely used to the norm of dungeon runs which is to skip through things. I wouldn’t hold it against them, nor would I say that they aren’t playing the game how it should be played.

I think you’re on the right track by having a friends list of people who – like you – don’t want to skip or stack. You should make sure to always pull from this pool of people who share your common interest. In this way, you minimize the chance of inviting someone who expects to be skipping trash mobs etc.

Tom.6478:

Well I would agree fractals would not be the place to use it. When I say PVE, I mean just roaming the open world, not dugeons

What would you use in dungeons? And why not use that set in open world…?

So. Let us know how your full clear goes for Arah P1 through 4.

Keltach.8049:

Ok. Sure meta builds. Lets all build 1 way and ignore the rest of the trait system. You’re all 100% right that arena net wanted this game to just have speed ran dungeons where we use 0 aspects of this game combat. Lets ignore all combat finishers that don’t give us might, let’s ignore a majority of the dungeon because it takes too much time. Let’s all run zerker meta builds and take all thought out of pve dungeon content. Let’s all run cookie cutter builds because it is meta. Meta for life! is this really what this game has come to? Supporting mindless and brainless dungeon running?

Nobody’s saying ignore the rest of the trait system, or other blast finishers or anything like that. What they ARE saying is: Know every aspect of your character and know when to which traits at the most appropriate time.

If you had to build a house, you’d use the most appropriate tool for each particular job, right? That only makes sense, yes? That is the Meta.

You’re looking at the situation like this:
Non-meta: Why can’t they make screwdrivers as good as hammers at driving nails into boards?
Meta: Why not just use a hammer…?
Non-meta: OMG why do you love hammers so much, there’s so many other tools out there, why do you just totally ignore them?

In reality the Meta is simply saying:
Meta: Need to drive a nail? Use a hammer. Need to cut some wood? Use a saw. Use the appropriate tool for the situation. Not our fault ANet keeps giving us nails to hammer.

Purple Miku.7032:

LOL oh god. I’d be pretty p*ssed.

RIGHT?! :|

A lone chanter stands,
A target over its head.
Please call off your pet. :|