Guild Wars 2

@Straegen

Depending on your WvW tier. I’d recommend watching for players that tag up as commanders…then perhaps asking them to join their guild.

@RodOfDeath

Carl Douglas – Kungkittenfighting(original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGIsKvn0

@RodOfDeath

I’m going to have to pull out my big guns!

Star Wars Episode IV Soundtrack – Main Title/Rebel Blockade Runner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptp1yCCRWk&list=PLBEDA635397C23509

Let’s get ready to RuMbLe!!!

“Help Me, Obi-kittenenobi. You’re My Only Hope” – A New Hope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUaxXsqGeFI

Yes, we do need a hero to save WvW.

Find your inner Jedi-Knight…

Oh, forgot…yes…join a Guild & Save WvW…play & be active!

@RodOfDeath

Let’s get this party started!!! Who the heck cares?

Simple Minds- Don’t You (Forget About Me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jlHz0wF0Ig

They didn’t make a mistake.

The New Desert Borderland was stress tested in WvW & is now ready to be re-deployed for use in an EotM Map rotation schedule.

@Swagger

New WvW = Megaserver based…aka EotM
and
Classic WvW = Server based

New Coke & Classic Coke.

You’re for New Coke.

I’m for Classic Coke.

Would you stop trying to change Classic Coke into New Coke.

Have some respect & enjoy New Coke by yourself.

2 Different products…let’s both enjoy it separately.

@Jayne

Ditto for me…I’m slowly drifting away from WvW.

@runeblade

King of Hill Buff is meant for solo players or small groups of players that roam on maps where they are outnumbered.

Tenacious Buff is meant for solo players or small groups of players that roam when they are outnumbered & fight for very long periods against the odds.

Manually triggering Upgrades of Objective by players that roam will help their Home Team Upgrade stuff that would otherwise sit and not upgrade. Maybe a small reward should be given to players that trigger it?

I solo roam all the time…and these buffs would allow me to earn more and not have to repair armor.

@runeblade

I’ve setup a sub-topic thread here to continue this discussion in detail here:

WvW Solo Roamer
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Solo-Roamer/first#post5805337

Thank you for your feedback.

Diku

Diku.2546:

@runeblade

Picked a few proposed buffs that might interest you:

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.35
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710750

…King of Hill Buff – Bottom 3 WvW Ranked Worlds get an automatic buff when attacking any Top WvW Ranked World’s Home Globes. Cross Global Theaters of War attacks also trigger Buff

…Implement a Dynamic Tier Level Buff with Decay Timer named “Tenacious”

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Need to update the entries concerning Auto-Upgades of Objective. It’s critical for Roamers to assist with this.

Updates will probably be posted later today:

1) Manual Upgrades Protecting your Home Globe should be FREE.
2) Manual Upgrades Expanding into Enemy Globes or EB should Cost Gold.

The Cost of Upgrades in Enemy Globes or EB should be considered an INVESTMENT that give Players reasons behind protecting it.

runeblade.7514:

This appeals to solo players because….?

It looks like your propose buffs is there to force me into a zerg or a small group.

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runeblade.7514:

Is there anything here that appeals to me, a solo roamer?

All I want is to go out, help my server win the game and fight other solo players. I am not interested in waiting for 2-3 guildies to roam with me, I don’t want to capture a objective that isn’t balanced for one player and then find out that a small group took it back much more easily than I did.

Reference post to start this discussion above.

Hi everybody,

This is a sub-topic thread from a parent thread found here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-Game-Mode-WvG-World-Vs-Globes/first#post6188906

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710744

Hi runeblade,

Sounds like we should expand this topic. I’m setting up this sub-topic thread to continue this discussion in detail here to keep the parent thread on topic about Reboot Base Map Mechanic & Population.

Appreciate your feedback.

Diku

@runeblade

Picked a few proposed buffs that might interest you:

PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.35
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710750

…King of Hill Buff – Bottom 3 WvW Ranked Worlds get an automatic buff when attacking any Top WvW Ranked World’s Home Globes. Cross Global Theaters of War attacks also trigger Buff

…Implement a Dynamic Tier Level Buff with Decay Timer named “Tenacious”

Need to update the entries concerning Auto-Upgades of Objective. It’s critical for Roamers to assist with this.

Updates will probably be posted later today:

1) Manual Upgrades Protecting your Home Globe should be FREE.
2) Manual Upgrades Expanding into Enemy Globes or EB should Cost Gold.

The Cost of Upgrades in Enemy Globes or EB should be considered an INVESTMENT that give Players reasons behind protecting it.

@Jayne

If he likes New WvW…by golly…let him have it.

Me…I still prefer Classic WvW.

I just hope ANet realizes like Coca-Cola smartly decided in the end…to let the consumer have both products.

New WvW = EotM = Megaserver/Faction based

Classic WvW = Server based

Classic WvW just needs a Reboot of Base Map Mechanic & Population in my opinion to fix the flaws making it fail.

@Jayne

I would venture to guess…damage control…or he’s the next Chosen One.

@Swagger

Classic WvW is failing because it’s Base Map Mechanic is flawed.

Classic WvW Base Map Mechanic promotes:

1) Server Stacking

2) Stale Match-Ups

3) Separates players from playing together unless they are on the same World server.

These are the Critical Base Map Mechanics that is causing Classic WvW to fail IMHO.

ANet has 2 good products from my viewpoint.

New WvW – EotM
and
Classic WvW

Keep them separate & you get more customers coming to you. Coca-Cola learned this valuable lesson.

Swagger.1459:

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Yes…we agree on something.

New WvW = EotM = Megaserver/Faction based

Classic WvW = Server based

Actually nope, eotm stays the same and wvw gets the added benefit of being megaserver like eotm is now

I would prefer that they delete the new maps and put the alpine maps back in (with a visual makeover).

I still don’t agree with you then.

Marketing wise…

This is very similar to the Marketing case study of Classic & New Coke.

Need to realize this important distinction.

Don’t force Classic Coke drinkers to drink New Coke.

Don’t force New Coke drinkers to drink Classic Coke.

Keep the 2 Products separate…and you’ll have more customers at your door…based on this Marketing case study.

@Swagger

Yes…we agree on something.

New WvW = EotM = Megaserver/Faction based

Classic WvW = Server based

@Swagger

If my memory serves me right.

EotM was originally a place to wait in queue until a spot opened for a player to enter into Classic WvW Boderland or EB map.

If you’re correct about EotM being the testing ground for Classic WvW…then that gives more reason why New Desert Borderland should be used in EotM.

@briggah

My point is EotM is already using Megaserver/Faction, Classic WvW is Server based.

ANet should keep these 2 products totally separate.

Megaserver/Faction only needs to be fixed in EotM.

Classic WvW shouldn’t even use Megaserver/Faction because it’s a different product.

Players who enjoy EotM need to ask ANet to fix this issue with the Mega/Faction system being used there.

@briggah

Then players who enjoy EotM need to ask ANet to fix this issue with the Mega/Faction system being used there.

Swagger.1459:

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Pawn it off to EotM? Hehehe…you’ll learn to love it…it’s brand new & shiny!

Haha that made me smile. Nope, sorry you guys are stuck with it until rotation next summer enjoy!

Not joking – ANet could put the new Desert Borderland into rotation with current EotM Map to keep it interesting for the Megaserver/Faction crowd that runs there.

Just need to perhaps redo the map into 3 equal corners for Red/Green/Blue.

Megaserver/Faction is already working in EotM…so minimal development required.

This is for all the players who feel EotM is better than Classic WvW.

EotM gets the new content & resources are devoted to improving EotM as it becomes the New WvW game mode.

Leave Classic WvW alone…that’s my opinion.

@Swagger

Pawn it off to EotM? Hehehe…you’ll learn to love it…it’s brand new & shiny!

Not joking – ANet could put the new Desert Borderland into rotation with current EotM Map to keep it interesting for the Megaserver/Faction crowd that runs there.

Just need to perhaps redo the map into 3 equal corners for Red/Green/Blue.

Megaserver/Faction is already working in EotM…so minimal development required.

@Swagger

Yeah…I agree…EotM should be promoted as New WvW.

Current WvW should be kept, but re-branded as Classic WvW with the Old Alpine Maps.

Once again…I strongly believe EotM deserves the New Desert Borderland maps instead of the Classic WvW side that isn’t using it properly. It’s such a waste of a brand new map that ANet spent a lot of resources to create.

Honestly…EotM deserves to have the New Desert Borderland where the Megaserver/Alliance system would make use of it correctly.

ANet should just put the Old Alpine Map back into the current WvW since it’s already dying.

Why waste the New Desert Borderland Map on the WvW area that is dead.

Let EotM have the better Desert Borderland Map since it’s already overflowing with lots of players with the help of the Megaserver/Alliance system.

ANet really needs to make the following re-brand:

1) EotM = New Improved WvW – Megaserver/Faction based
and
2) Current WvW = Classic WvW – World Server based

@Sai Ree

I guess you need the Reader’s Digest version of this proposal. Sorry if it’s complicated.

Please Support with a single thread bump & Vote +1…If you like this idea.

Please…Reboot the Base Map Mechanic

Please…Reboot the Current Population

Author of this topic is desperately trying to give ANet a solution to save our beloved WvW game mode.

This proposal is broken into 3 Major Postings:

Part I) WvW Population Reboot & New Theaters of War v.14

Part II) New Map Mechanic v.34

Part III) Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.35

Is this more to your taste & would you please help?

Cries…

My Guild is not big enough to ride the WvW Upgrades.

@briggah

Sir
/salute
Well done! Sir!

Yeah…agree…wish they showed lifetime numbers too.

Why not use the Desert Borderlands in EotM?

It already uses the Megaserver & Alliance system already.

@Stand The Wall

Core Map Mechanic will do this:

Top 3 Enemy Globes attacking a player’s Home Globe is displayed in a Random fashion every time it’s viewed by the Home Team

Players are given incentive to attack the Globe that is attacking their Globe.

I supposed ANet could enforce a really strict limit of 1 Globe per week that players can visit.

Players would only be able to fight 1 Globe for the whole week, but Players would choose which Globe from a Large List of 24 NA Globes – and – 27 EU Globes.

…King of Hill Buff – Bottom 3 WvW Ranked Worlds get an automatic buff when attacking any Top WvW Ranked World’s Home Globes. Cross Global Theaters of War attacks also trigger Buff

I’ll have to make an observed comment.

WvW Rank means nothing in my opinion.

I’m ranked 1,763 & have to say I got these ranks 90% from capping camps…the other 10% from running with a zerg to cap towers or keeps.

There’s a ton of other players that have earned their rank in EotM…and easily out rank me.

Rank just says you earned a lot of WXP.

No disrespect, but just trying to give folks perspective.

If you earned your ranks capping in WvW…I salute you.

Just noticed ANet updated the WvW Titles…Yak Slapper among the first I noticed.

Surprise!!!

EotM will switch places with Current WvW.

Current WvW will become waiting room for EotM.

I suggest that they re-brand WvW.

Current WvW = Classic WvW – Server based & Uses Old Alpine BL

EotM = New WvW – Megaserver/Alliance based & Uses New Desert BL or EotM Map

How about this for Megaserver idea?

I’d highly suggest & support the following:

1) Return Old Alpine Map to WvW.

2) Replace EotM Map with Desert Borderland.

3) Implement Map Rotation in EotM using Desert BL Map & Current EotM Map.

This would be a winning solution in my opinion.

Diku

Also, replace the Current WvW Base Map Mechanic with a new one…to deal with server stacking, population in-balances, and off peak hour capping.

EotM Factions system is already implemented & Megaserver system in use.

Let EotM use the Superior New Desert BL.

It should be easy to put back the Old Alpine Map for WvW to use.

ANet should really think about re-labeling WvW.

Current WvW – Classic WvW – World Server Based

EotM – New WvW – Megaserver System Based

Kind of like Classic & New Coke.

We should ask ANet to redo the New Desert Borderland to work with EotM.

Putting the Old Alpine maps back into Classic WvW would allow them to work on getting the New Desert BL ready to work in EotM…aka…New WvW.

ANet spends less time developing the Factions & Megaserver system…and can move quickly to deploy the New Desert BL into EotM…aka…New WvW.

Inspired by this post thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/EOTM-Factions-WvW-Servers/first#post5803341

@Sinbold

We should ask ANet to redo the New Desert Borderland to work with EotM then.

Putting the Old Alpine maps back into Classic WvW would allow them to work on getting the New Desert BL ready to work in EotM…aka…New WvW. Where according to the OP…Factions system is far superior to WvW’s server system…plus it’s already up & running.

ANet spends less time developing the Factions system…and can move quickly to deploy the New Desert BL into EotM…aka…New WvW.

Off peak / On peak…can’t we all just get along? WvW is 24/7…can’t we just accept that…and offer solutions to allow International cooperation instead?

I’d highly suggest & support the following:

1) Return Old Alpine Map to WvW.

2) Replace EotM Map with Desert Borderland.

3) Implement Map Rotation in EotM using Desert BL Map & Current EotM Map.

This would be a winning solution in my opinion.

Diku

Also, replace the Current WvW Base Map Mechanic with a new one…to deal with server stacking, population in-balances, and off peak hour capping.

@OP

EotM Factions system is already implemented & Megaserver system in use.

Let EotM use the Superior New Desert BL.

It should be easy to put back the Old Alpine Map for WvW to use.

ANet should really think about re-labeling WvW.

Current WvW – Classic WvW – World Server Based

EotM – New WvW – Megaserver System Based

Kind of like Classic & New Coke.

@Sai Ree

Sorry for all the wall of text, but how else does one propose a New Base Map Mechanic to cover all the necessary details that the Developers will need to code to?

Yes, breaking up multinational communities. This is called severe server stacking & is one of the major reasons behind why WvW is so screwed up.

Here’s the specific detailed information to help you understand what this wall of text means.

New Map Mechanic will allow Players from different Time Zones to pick the same Home Globe, or join a Different Home Globe…but still let players from Different Globes to team-up & play together. Old Base Map Mechanic will not let you do this.

Old World Servers are transformed into New Globes during this Population Reboot. Globes are named after their Old World Server’s Name.

Night hours for your Home Globe could be covered by a verabl agreement between players from other Globes from different Time Zones to attack your enemy for you. Old Base Map Mechanic will not let you do this.

The reboot is meant to allow players to form communities around a time zone. The Time Zone is only a label for players to reference. You will not be prevented from joining a Globe at all.

Also, the entire population of a World Server will be asked to vote on what Time Zone do they want their New Globe associated with. Once again…the Time Zone only serves as a reference for players to identify with.

You can still pick to join any Globe no matter what Time Zone you live in.

Closing door to trolling with “enemy-guests”

Enemy-Guest follows a “Guesting” limit of (1-3) Enemy Globes per week that a player can visit.

I supposed ANet could enforce a really strict limit of 1 Globe per week that players can visit.

Players would only be able to fight 1 Globe for the whole week, but Players would choose which Globe from a Large List of 24 NA Globes - and - 27 EU Globes.

I’m desperately trying very hard to give ANet a solution to save our WvW game mode.

Sorry if you feel that I’m picking a fight with you, or annoying you.

Diku

Great idea…

Give us back our Old Alpine Maps!

Put the New Desert Maps back into Beta.

The New Desert Maps need to have a larger critical mass of players & a different Base Map Mechanic for it to be fun for us to play on.

If it’s too much development to do this…then at least change the Base Map Mechanic.

@darkaheart & Sandrox
The World Reset is meant to allow Communities to form around a specific Time Zone.
It does not in any way stop players from other Time Zones from joining their friends and family.
Players from different Time Zones can choose to pick the same Home Globe, or they can join different Home Globes but still team-up & play together based on the New Map Mechanic.
Old World Servers are transformed into New Globes during this Population Reboot. Globes are named after their Old World Server’s Name.

Full details:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Reboot-the-Base-Map-Mechanic-Population/first#post5710746

@BadMed

Full details:
I’m still waiting for a response asking for the evaluated data.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-and-the-Heart-of-Thorns-Release/page/18#post5789980

Thank you for the support.

holodoc.5748:

Just convert the server based system to a Megaserver and spread all the people according to their order allegiance: Order of Whispers, Vigil and Durmand Priory. Make the final result represent an aggregate score of all instances. Problem solved. No more queues and no more empty maps.

Hmmm…never thought of that. Wonder what the Population numbers are like for each Order. Also, can a person change their chosen Order?

Wolfric.9380:

Snip 8< A very simple server reset creating new tiers and totally mixing all timezones is a simple and i think very effective solution. Sever(not timezoen globe!) and guild identity is mandatory.

What happens to all the old world servers & why does guild identity become mandatory?

@Wolfric

Thank you for your support…it’s nice to have folks notice.

I’ll pass on trying to compare my Globe based proposal with a system that will use the Megaserver system.

Trying to encourage somebody to come up with an alternative proposal that would use the Megaserver system.

I had an anonymous request to see if this was possible.

Let me make it very clear.

The Parent proposal found in “Reboot the Base Map Mechanic & Population” Topic…Does NOT in any way…allow Megaserver.

See full reply concerning Megaserver here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Dissolve-Servers-Embrace-Megaserver/first#post5798364

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

Diku

Sorry, but I really hate the Megaserver system that automatically pairs you with friends in a spawned instance. My approach is to let the players pick these choices themselves. So when anyone thinks my proposal is using the Megaserver system…I get very upset…because the Megaserver system won’t work with the New Base Map Mechanic that I’m proposing.

World vs World Titles – (11/26/2015)

Ultimate Dominator – Get 250,000 total kills in WvW.
Yakslapper – Kill 2,500 enemy supply caravans.
Leader of the Yak – Succesfully escort 2,500 supply caravans.
Fixer-Upper – Spend 10,000 supply on repairs.
Unstoppable Force – Capture 7,500 objectives.
Unhappy Camper – Capture 2,500 total supply camps.
Tower Toppler – Capture 2,000 total towers.
Plays for Keeps – Capture 1,000 total keeps.
Kingmaker – Capture Stonemist Castle 200 times.
Immovable Object – Defend 3,000 objectives.
Camp Counselor – Defend 500 total supply camps.
Keep Guard – Defend 1,00 keeps.
Tower Guard – Defend 750 total towers.
Royal Guard – Defend Stonemist Castle 500 times.
Veteran of the Mists – Complete 15 WvW Premier Season achievements.
Mist Runner – Complete 10 WvW Spring Tournament 2014 achievements.
Mist Treader – Complete 4 WvW Fall Tournament 2014 World Contributor achievements.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Title

I think the better approach is to reward Globe loyalty.

Also, we need to careful not to over reward or buff players. The mechanics could pose a bottleneck to game play performance.

I also think rewards for defending & scouting objectives doesn’t pay very well, but how do we measure their success & value?

I’ll need to check & post the current WvW Titles for us to look at.

@holodoc

Would you provide more details behind how you would convert our current Tier based system into using the World Megaserver?

Looking forward to you proposing another alternative to my Globe based proposal.

My Globe based proposal doesn’t work with the Megaserver system at all.

So I’m interested in how you would propose using the Megaserver system.

@Gaab

Let me make it very clear.

The Parent proposal found in “Reboot the Base Map Mechanic & Population” Topic…Does NOT in any way…allow Megaserver.

See full reply concerning Megaserver here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Dissolve-Servers-Embrace-Megaserver/first#post5798364

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

Diku

I’m a NA Tier 6 PUG Commander…

My previous habitat found in the old Alpine Border was taken away & I’m left stranded on a new Desert BL without the use of Traveler Runes to pilot my Golem when trying to lead a small havoc team of 1-2 players.

It’s extremely difficult to lead a small havoc group in an effort to start the ball rolling to take towers & keeps in the current Desert Borderlands without being jumped by 1-2 roamers that will destroy your golem enroute to a tower.

Also, previous Guild Upgrades being stripped from us also contribute in the decline of the number of PUG Commanders in my opinion.

The +5 camp buff was a staple we feed our havoc group in trying to grow it into a zerg. The use of Rams or Guild Catapults are used more than Golems, but having to do more supply runs to build without the +5 buff makes it difficult to survive getting past frustrating failures.

@Tongku

You basically laid bare what is causing WvW to implode atm.

Very Good observations & analysis in my opinion.

+1 Vote from me.

Deniara Devious.3948:

I want Original Alpine borderland with lake + Eternal Battlegrounds.

Shelve and completely redesign the other maps.

Posted your suggestion as:

5) Original Alpine borderland with lake + Eternal Battlegrounds