Guild Wars 2

Demon.2430:

Since I think all of you would agree that Elite Focus will be necessary to use Tomes, I think it should be an Adept trait and not a Master trait, so we dont have to spend so many points to get it.

Haha, that’s the kind of thinking that get things moved to Grandmaster tier.

Varonth.5830:

coglin.1867:

Pets have been an integral part of MMOs for a very long time. Many players, including myself enjoy them greatly. They have been in the game and promoted since before release. It is not like they magically added them in out of no where after 2 years.

You are free to search out and move to a MMO that has no AI what so ever. Good luck.

Unlike most other MMOs with bigger numbers of minions, GW2 minions always take part in the fight, even if they don’t attack. The clutter the battlefield.

Look at how they want to buff bows on ranger. Well, it will still not work in PvP without piercing arrows. Piercing arrows is no choice it is a requirement… because of AI minions. When a mesmer just keeps spamming clones on a point, it does not matter if you can track the mesmer or not. You might not even want to attack the mesmer. Still the clones just passively sitting there will eat alot of your arrows.

They also eat away damage from AoE thanks to AoE caps.

Err… that’s why you take the high ground as a Longbow Ranger. A ranger on the same plane as you should either be stomping you, coming to stomp you, running away from you, rezzing someone or dieing.

With regards to the topic, You can still CC and condition spirits which you can’t do for turrets on the other hand.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Did this need a new thread? Maybe, I just wanted to give you all a more brighter view on the changes… Cheer up, if anything, it could’ve been worse!

Here! Here!

You just gained 2k health, and double aegis. And even if it was instant, it you would still be a homing beacon after you come out of it.

1) Mesmer – AoE interrupts and Torment stacking
2) Ranger – Signets and bow spam
3) Ele – lightning bolt! lightning bolt! lightning bolt!
4) Guardian – Merciful intervention
5) Necro – DS regen
6) Engineer – Flamethrower Revival
7) Warrior – GS revival
8) Thief – Blackpowder/S/D nerf

Odeezee.7362:

Dirame.8521:

And how can you not love the Rez and Stomp in DS? That’s game changing stuff (for PvP that is).

why do people think that this is a “buff” when you could ALREADY do this in the game now?!!!

these changes have done NOTHING, they don’t change builds, they don’t change the meta, they just shuffle around things to make it seem as though they actually did something. we still have no group utility in PvE and now a significant (33%) reduction is damage with the change to Lichform, we still lack sustain in tPvP given that we have no or excruciatingly limited access to vigor, aegis, stability, invulnerability. WvW is arguably the only place where we may still remain viable for zerg, but with the changes other professions received, Necro roamers are going to be very sad in comparison.

all in all: there was nothing in this announcement at all and if that’s what they come up with when they think of the Necromancer, what hope do we have that they will take our feedback now and understand why it’s needed and then act on it?

so kittening disappointed with the general direction of the game now. it’s as though ANet have bitten off WAAAAY more than they can chew in the live environment. it’s a pity though as i used to think that this game’s potential was limitless, but what’s the point in potential when it’s never realised?

I understand what you’re saying. I like the changes and I think they were needed but they obviously could do better and we can only keep pointing them toward the things that could make the Necro better.

I wouldn’t give the Necro too much sustain though but that’s just me.

Guard.6751:

Dirame.8521:

And how can you not love the Rez and Stomp in DS? That’s game changing stuff (for PvP that is).

You could already do this if you timed the actions together.. they just made it easier.

I know you could. It’s just sometimes you can’t pull it off in the heat of battle.

Taking the time to Blast in fire fields can be risky for any profession and staying together to gain all the benefit can also be risky.

Most of the might actually comes from the on-swap sigil because people don’t like to waste time blasting. So nerf that and you’ll see a huge change game wide.

Xaragon.3520:

So we can res and stomp in ds now thats nice, but basically nothing else of note.

minor axe buff

Axe is the most underrated weapon in the Necro’s cache. Seriously, one good combo and you can 100 to 0 people sometimes.

And how can you not love the Rez and Stomp in DS? That’s game changing stuff (for PvP that is).

I wonder if bunkers will use Mi as well. It’s pretty much a second heal.

Also if you are a spirit weapon guardian, you can do some cool combos by using Mi on your Spirit Weapons.

For those who don’t know; Light Dash

I think the control that Light Dash gives over how far you want to dash by giving you the ability to stop at any point, is something that should be translated to RTL. Being able to stop yourself before you RTL off the edge of a cliff would be great, or just stopping so you could do something else.

It’s something I think should be considered to improve Ele gameplay.

Use Elixir B?

- Focus the mesmer.
- Blinds cancel the phantasm spawning so remember that.
-When a mesmer dodges toward you, it means he’s going to shatter on you, so make sure to dodge as well.
- If he shatters away from you, dodge toward the shatters, not away from them so that they shatter whilst you’re mid-dodge.
- Drop AoEs to take out the clones because they do have to spend endurance to spawn more. But when you drop AoEs, make sure you’re also giving the mesmer some pressure. People always freak out and relieve you of pressure when they themselves are dieing.

VodCom.6924:

Just tossing a random idea here :

Vanquishing is possible as long as the area you are trying to vanquish is instanced (i.e no respawn, no other player interference).

The only places in GW2 that satisfy this criteria are… dungeons!

The idea:
Make sure that at the end of the dungeon, in addition to the reward chest and the daily bonus chest you get a third chest.

This third chest could include badges, xp and maybe coins. The amount of these scales with the percentage of total monsters killed during the run (i.e full reward if you kill 100% of the monsters).

Some dungeons have areas that are designed to be skipped for mobs spawn continuously here. Simply remove them from the total of monsters to kill.

Add on top of this a vanquisher title (vanquish every single path at 100%) and people will start finding something new to do in dungeons rather than skipping 75% of the content.

Limitations:
Requires a rebalance of the reward system (again) to prevent over-inflation.
Requires time to implement.

Definitely sounds like a good plan. Simpler than revamping the entire dungeon.

The feeling is that, you only use your Elite crate because you know it’s a match you’re going to lose without that Elite crate.

munkiman.3068:

Dirame.8521:

timmyf.1490:

Could this be simpler? Remember when Southsun had those Magic Find buffs? What if there was just an NPC – Nicholas-style – who moved between zones every day. He gives you a buff with +MF EXP Karma Coin only within the zone.

This would mean lots of people in the open world, though just within the zone of the day. Still, it’d mean you can do some open world content with better rewards.

Petunias the Sylvari Traveler could also give you recipes for crafting precursors! You just have to complete an absurd of collection first though.

I think i just miss Yakkington and opening the gifts

Don’t worry, you get Groot the Oakheart instead!

timmyf.1490:

Could this be simpler? Remember when Southsun had those Magic Find buffs? What if there was just an NPC – Nicholas-style – who moved between zones every day. He gives you a buff with +MF EXP Karma Coin only within the zone.

This would mean lots of people in the open world, though just within the zone of the day. Still, it’d mean you can do some open world content with better rewards.

Petunias the Sylvari Traveler could also give you recipes for crafting precursors! You just have to complete an absurd of collection first though.

munkiman.3068:

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’d have to agree. I believe a far better method would be something like Dry Top, or (as I believe someone above suggested), something like Nicholas the Traveler from GW — the point being to have something he wants that drops from mobs in various locations.

So much this! Please! I know we have geode traders in dry-top, but i loved trading with Nicholas each week. Maybe his great-grandson?

You just know it’s going to be Petunias the Sylvari Traveler with her pet Oakheart named Groot…. wait… there’s a similar character already in GW2…. only it’s an actual player…..

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

The intent of the Renown Heart system was originally to help players find event content. They also provide a decent method for us to give the player some context and awareness of what’s going on in the area. There are probably a few issues in that design which we could discuss. We could also let it suffice to say that hearts do not make the best repeatable content the game has to offer.

On the topic of keeping players engaged with open world content, I think this goal may be for more approachable from a different angle. Consider Dry Top, which has no hearts. Players on that map are participating in events all the time, largely on the premise that each event contributes to both map-level and personal-level goals. This gives me the notion that with a little help at the system level, events can and should be the bulk of repeatable open world content in Tyria.

I’d be very interested in hearing your thoughts on that.

My thoughts are as follows;

Make everything like dry-top. And I’m being serious here.

Dry-top, as you’ve stated has managed to meld personal and group goals together. It’s also managed to make the Merchant important, it has also reduced the need to grind champs for bags (even though you can still do that) and it is just all round a well designed system that would really make players feel like they are working together to achieve a goal.

You’ve done almost everything right with the dry-top event system. Use it everywhere, is my suggestion.

I know it would feel like double-dipping to a lot of the community but, it feels a bit weird to have a Sheathed Sword one moment and then when the Sword is unsheathed the sheath disappears.
I would just like a Belinda’s Sheath backpiece that overlaps with the Greatsword so I can always see the sheath.

Very childish to ask for, I know but, it would be pretty cool.

Daze +immob = make-shift stun anyway so… Sleight of Hand, devourer’s venom, have fun.

Fay.2357:

Please note that scepter clones only use the first attack in the chain. This is how it always has been, and how it always will be. The clones do not generate more clones. This would be incredibly broken.

Nothing in my comment says anything about clones spawning more clones. That’s not what self-perpetuating means in that comment.

I vote NO because I know how to make it OP and I also know a bunch of people who know what I know.

Also this;

Torment on Scepter 1 was just ridiculous, considering that now Clones will apply it as well. PU; whilst having pretty much no role in PvP due to preponderance on Stealth and poor mobility making it unsuited to the Conquest gametype, is nonetheless one of the most anti-fun builds to fight against with one of the lowest skill floors; and remains one of the top duelists in WvW (if people don’t run away). This Torment change will drop the skill floor to below that of Axe-Mace GS PvE Warrior in mindless self indulgence. Heck, with this change, PU can now auto-chain until a clone is generated, stealth, and go take a nap whilst self-perpetuating clones do all the pressuring. Using any form of active play like Shatters would actually be counterproductive; which speaks to the stupidity of the setup. It’s a stupid change with a negative skill floor; all the while Anet’s design team trumpets wanting to encourage “active play.”

As seen in the comment section here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6P9ONocc2o

I would like them to add more to the Glyph system. If they want people to move away from Cantrips, then Glyphs/Signets have to offer something that cantrips don’t.

In addition to buffing the might gained from Inscription, using glyphs should instead of giving you regen in Water, they should heal you for a small amount (the same amount they would if you ran the full duration of regeneration).
I think it could do more for specs that have weapon heal skills like Dagger/Focus.

If they do the new skills for each weapon thing, they would have to make sure each skill can work with one another no matter the combination.

That is some serious brainstorming yo!

I really do think they should place it on a phantasm. It’s way more counter-friendly.

The mesmer can increase the health of the Phantasm, or the enemy could AoE down the phantasm.

Liewec.2896:

i also think that staff clones with the buffed Elasticity are gonna be soooo much more devastating than scepter clones with torment.

Combine the two and what do you get?

Harbinger.8637:

a t s e.9614:

Great games but I think Apex could have won if they played something more cheesy like the last ToL. I mean , DPS guard is kinda of a troll spec to bring in a tournament.

The players from both teams are very good but a mesmer/ DPS guard cant handle condis , so the comp helpled a little bit.

I wouldn’t called dps guard a troll spec, however the big problem is team fights. Dps med guards are terrible in team fights without the right support. They are great for roaming and 1v1, however team fights they are very vulnerable. For team fights you’re better off just going AH with zerker and shouts. This gives you more sustain, and also more team support.

ERgghh! This has more to do with how they played their classes than what their classes can or can’t handle. How can a team allow 3 of their members to get blown up in the middle of the point by one Phoenix. And there was no focus on the one guy blowing them up in the first place. Half the time, he just waltzed in and zapped someone.

The Mesmer could have done so many maneuvers that quite a few mesmers know how to do but I only saw about 2 portal plays and no awesome blink or Phase Retreat to safety that I could speak of.

adozu.6398:

engies were on every other team (even 2 at a time!) and they didn’t look underperforming at all.

I was talking in regards to the upcoming patch. It’s not going to affect anything you’ve seen with regards to the Engineer.

adozu.6398:

watching those matches however i have to wonder if all the love engineers are getting next patch is really needed.

I don’t understand what you’re talking about.

Shockwave.1230:

Very one-sided, condi overload dominated.

They had classes that could handle the condi-overload.

I mean it couldn’t possibly be that Outplayed actually just “played” better….

Are we going to factor in the NA tournament into this conversation or what?

TrOtskY.5927:

the dc didn’t affect the outcome of the match, I think anybody could see that.

Don’t ever count a team out until the last 20 points. And even then many things can happen in that space of time but hey, dont mind me. Let’s all carry on ragging on bunker comps.

Lol, CM winning had a lot of factors go their way, dcs on 55hp monks being one of them.

We can’t really say what would have happened if there were no DCs in any game.

Tanky comps can be really good but, they can be beaten. Way too many factors to just say “They won because, tanky comp.” I think that’s a very ignorant statement.

Black Box.9312:

Condition application on autoattack is still a terrible thing, and this is a terrible idea.

Taken on its own, its not bad, but when paired with a build…… you’ve just got to laugh

Linnael.1069:

You are not in a position to talk about high level PvE if most bosses you fight are walking around more than 20% of the fight. Stop Trying.

What? I don’t even…

Seriously mate, if you want to have a kitten fight with someone, go outside.

As for me, I’m just trying to help bring the right factors to the forefront.

I’m going to assume 14 stacks of torment are on the target at any given time, as this the the amount you can pull off with the specc I’ve put together

The 14 stacks on average last for 8s. For each second, 1 stack does 109 damage when the target isn’t moving.

109 × 14 = 1526 × 8 = 12,208

When the target is moving it does double that amount, so 24,416.
And this is not including might stacks, corruption stacks, or other on the spot damage boosts.

In my mind, that’s pretty substantial for a single condition.

Also, just to clarify, I’m not saying that everyone is going to want condition Mesmers over DPS classes (because frankly that will never happen until anet changes dungeon ai mechanics). I’m just suggesting that this condition on the Scepter is great additional damage since it is rarely stacked by most players.

This is what I’ve been asking for since forever but hey, who am I in the grand scheme of things.

The one you want to get good at.

Nabuko Darayon.9645:

- Tornado is now completely useless. In Pvp/WvW/PvE people will just range you to death while you do your ballet spins. Even Engineer’s Tornado got a better buff then us.

Engineer and Ele Tornado are the same.

Azzer.8137:

Xillllix.3485:

I came to the conclusion over a year ago, when they nerfed mist form and the ele traits that they have no clue how to balance the classes. This is the hardest class to play and all we get are tons of nerfs and a few useless buffs.

Moa form: Death Sentence for the targeted
Tornado: useless in 99% of the situation

Oh, but it’s “AoE”. Like that makes a useless skill more useful.

I can do the same!

Fiery Great sword: crazy mobility and good damage.
Mortar: Useless in 99% of the situation

The funny thing is, this is actually true.

Is this one of those skills that a Ritualist can use in GW1? Like Blind Was Mingson or Defiant Was Xinrae?

Maybe it wouldn’t do as much damage when combined with Meteor Shower but, combine it with the new Lightning Rod, fire and air sigils and the constant lightning whirl finisher it produces, that could be quite a floor clearer.

Mbelch.9028:

One thing I did miss was the Glyph of elemental storm seems to be overpowered now.

• This glyph which creates a storm in a location can stack 25 stacks of vulnerability now for each hit on a target that stands inside it.
• Each different storm gets a different condition, water just seems the most overpowered.

Yeah, think nuking some zergs from above with staff with all the + % dmg traits taken.

And then get destroyed by retal? Also Conjure Weapons already do 2 of the 4 things that the Glyph of Storms does.

Devildoc.6721:

2 out of 3 elites neutered. FGS might still be worthwhile for whirl and firestorm., and for the fact that the other 2 elites are really bad, Glyph is only useful for soloing and spawning a tank, Tornado was only useful for upping meteor damage.

Will anyone use tornado after the change? Ever? I really can’t see myself doing it. Maybe on the way to defending or capping a Lord’s room it can push people out so it isn’t challenged. But that’s it.

It could possibly be used for shooting out bursts of lightning because those hit for a good amount of damage. Add sigil of air, fire and the new and improved Lightning Rod and you’ve got yourself a nice little nukage form.

Another thing you haven’t done is taken into consideration a build.

A PvE Torment build can get 105% more duration on torment. On Sept. 9th, Mesmers with 20 points in Domination, Garlic Kale Sautee and Torment runes will be able to get 12seconds of Torment from Maim the disillusioned, 20 seconds from heal, 4 seconds from the first attack on the Scepter chain, 8s on the second attack and the clone will apply 4s as well.

Add quickness to your auto and the number of condis you can stack just rises like yeasted bread.

Linnael.1069:

If you’re talking world bosses they cap out already.

If you mean dungeons, torment does not do “a crapton of damage”. The best case scenario is that you’ll be able to maintain 10 stacks. This is worth less than 10 bleeds.

Nobody will move the boss and sacrifice hb/lava font/ice/meteor showers for your pitiful 10 torment. Nobody will give you time to spawn clones and tick conditions when the boss should be dead in under a minute. Nobody will ever be deluded enough to think that scepter conditions are more valuable to bring than another power spec.

Nobody will welcome a condition scepter mesmer in PvE. Expecting upkeep of less than 10 stacks of torment to make a difference is ridiculous.

So what you’re saying is, the boss won’t move on his own? I mean, we can totally keep a boss immobilized forever right?

And which world boss have you been fighting? No world boss I’ve ever fought is full stacked with torment EVER.

The fact is, torment does more damage than bleeds and it will definitely add to the overall dps of the group. It’s not the end all be all, but it sure helps.

I think Mimic would be funnier as an elite skill that made you look like your enemy.

This is why I’d love to see a Mesmer set-up that focuses on endurance manipulation. Similar to energy manipulation in GW1. It would be absolutely bonkers, to blow a Thief up based on how much endurance he has.

Linnael.1069:

Will scepter mesmer be even a mildly acceptable PvE condition build? No.

Torment does a crap ton of damage. Being one of the only classes that can stack a large amount of it, it will be more than welcome in PvE.

Conncept.7638:

Dirame.8521:

I think they should put it as a Phantasm created with illusionary counter.

Please no, most people that actually like the scepter like it specifically because of the clone factory feel, that has to stay regardless of any other factor. If they take that away they might as well take the scepter away from the mesmer completely.

You can create clones on the auto so it won’t be removing anything.

I think they should put it as a Phantasm created with illusionary counter.

Mesmer staff auto-attack is bad enough. Throw this in the mix and it’s just absolutely nuts.

I already have a build that stacks torment and confusion like a boss. This just makes that build as easy as a dive into a pool.

I’m begging Anet to just leave it out. Put the torment elsewhere.

One suggestion would be to have illusionary counter create a Phantasm that casts 3stacks of torment for 5s every 3s.