Guild Wars 2

Score update.

FA is feeling the love!

That was AWESOME!!

Very nice work lol. I love it!

@actrade
That doesn’t really solve the problem of constantly facing the same servers over and over again. Since if you just 2v1’d the top server than that would cause the top server to go 2nd rank. So 2nd and 3rd rank now attacks 1st place which will COMPLETELY destroy the 1st place server since the original 1st server was already beating the other two.

So basically you get stuck with servers just flipping ranks in the same tier. You are still fighting the same server though.

See, there are many reasons why I am purposing this but I think one big reason is in this example:

this example may or may NOT be true, it is an EXAMPLE
TC has been #1 in tier 3 for two months the entire time. Yet at this very moment, we are actually losing points according to the big picture, but yet in game we are capable of hitting it hard than taking a break since we have a 20k+ point lead. This results in our points going down in the big picture overall server rankings. This prevents us from moving up a tier. This break could be caused by many factors or it could be the fact we are just tired of playing these same servers, so some stop trying as hard since we know we will win. Get it? Having some randomization on server matches, as purposed above would give WvW that spice to keep players coming and keep the efforts high.
Option 2, I believe fixes the problem in my listed example where player efforts are declingso they only put in enough effort to beat the other two servers but not enough to keep raising our points overall in the grand rankings in order to move up a tier.

Hey,
There was a thread where I posted these ideas but that thread just vanished within minutes. So I decided to create this one.

The original topic was complaining about the same match up 5 weeks in a row. My server (TC) is kind of in that same boat, kind of (hence the kind of part, again look at kind of).

TC’s UNIQUE Match Up History for the last two months:

- TC vs YB vs CD
- TC vs YB vs FA
- TC vs FA vs CD

Same servers, same stories as last time.

My suggestion to keep WvW match ups spicey without unfair match ups occuring like a tier 1 vs a tier 5

Option 1: Randomized match ups between two tiers every month for one week. Example tier 1 and tier 2, randomized. That way it is still fair. A tier 2 server may be capable of demolishing that tier 1 server which would provide a massive point fluctuation, which would help rank movements without the help of transfers.

Option 2: A set of explicit rules such as:

If a server has been #1 for three weeks in a row.
AND
If a server in a higher tier has been #3 for three weeks in a row.
THAN
Swap both servers for the following next match.

This would cause a massive fluctuation in points again.

Thoughts? Other ideas?

What Rhongo said.

Welcome to WvW! We always need more people and could use every help we could get!

Ok, it is seriously ridiculous to constantly read the notion “ele is OP in the right hands”.

Are you kidding me? You guys do realize there is this HUGE gap between elementalist right? There are a handful of good elementalist. And there are a TON of bad elementalist out there.

I gurantee the handful of elementalist that people are saying are OP because they killled you, there are hundreds more elementalist that you just rolled over without even noticing them.

You can’t nerf a class because a handful of players are really good at it. You will be completely destroying the class for majority of those who suck.

A players “playstyle or skill” doesn’t make a class OP. A class is OP when everybody and their mother is capable of rolling one and destroying others with little to no effort.

Haha! That’s funny OP xD.

Seriously though, roll with PINK from TC for a while and you will see how necros can turn the tides of war alone

Let’s just say a group of 4 to 5 necros can wipe a 30 man zerg within seconds.

Mesmer is the anti-elementalist class, if they can play their class right. Here is a hint, it hurts to cause damage to ourselves.

JakobGW.5730:

Next week will the be 7th week in a row that TC has been at the top of tier 3, never advancing up the tiers and fighting the same three servers over the course of almost two months: CD, FA, YB. I don’t see any amount of teamwork that’s going to get you to teir 2. If you don’t have it by now, you’ll never get it.

You need numbers. I personally would find it extremely boring to log in week after week, fighting the same servers, knowing that you will win by numbers, but also knowing that you’re never going to advance or get better. In fact, your overall rating is actually declining this week.

If you want to get to teir 2, you need to market the server and get more players or hope that players in the top 6 servers either transfer off or stop playing.

I gotta ask, do you ever read previous posts? I mean seriously. This will be the 2nd time I have to remention a previous post.

There are a lot of people (majority actually) who do not want to progress to tier 2 right nw. People are even telling others to take a break from WvW altogether or don’t push too hard.

Why you may ask? We are the original RP server. That means when Wintersday event comes, majority of us won’t be in WvW. So would it really be a good idea to try to push to tier 2 right now? Not at all.

We will see once Wintersday ends.

Score update.

It’s looking good so far for TC since we usually don’t start taking everything back this early in the morning.

TC Recruiting the same timezones! Just kidding guys.

Jedah’s it sounds like you need other guild leaders in your guild. A 1,300 man guild isn’t very realistic for one person to manage.

If you still find yourself being stressed than it may be time to give the torch to someone else and demote yourself entirely in the guild to a regular member.

Kentimetre.9025:

Do you think the current PPT would be any different had there been no ‘treaty’? Face it, TC has a massive WvW population right now compared to FA and CD, one of you even said that you had queues on all 4 maps today. FA can fill 1, maybe 2 maps with outmanned on the other 2. Had there not been some sort of mutual understanding that TC is the strongest in this tier, the score right now would easily be more favorable to TC.

It’s more like FA and CD poked the bear. You should never poke the bear….

What’s funny is we don’t plan on pushing too hard until after the Wintersday event lol. We would rather not be in tier 2 when majority of our population is participating in Wintersday.

Updated! Keep you on your toes!

@phaeneo
It’s not use arguing with these guys about the alliance even though multiple posts have confirmed there was a party with FA/CD commanders in order to take over TC BL. They assume that EVERYONE in the server has to be involved in order for it to be an alliance. Where does the zerg follow? The commander. So who really needs to know? The commander. But whatever lol. And the fact that there was no alliance in EB but just the BL’s. Then there are the idiots that look at the map now and go, “ kitten There obviously isn’t an alliance, look at the map kitten ”. Sigh….moving on….

Here is the score update man.

It also amazes me how blissfully unaware some people are with regarding TC BL being all green.Its like you guys think people in TC BL sit there majority of the time twiddling their thumbs. They have constant attacks there all the time! We just respawn fast enough to wipe the enemy zerg along with anything they take befoore it gets too out of hand.

TC has always been attacked just like the other two servers. Lol!

So many people who fail to read prior posts in this thread. Its not even worth explaining the alliance that was made between CD and FA where it was conveyed publically in this very thread along with other witnesses, oh well.

Might as well stop talking about the alliance since it is now being compared to the whining of normal 2v1 when in reality its completely different. TC never had a party full of TC and YB commanders strategically planning their attacks together against FA, fyi….lol big difference.

But I am tired of explaining this difference and constantly referencing the post about it, so this will be the last post and hopefully everyone from TC will just keep it to themselves too. That way we can’t be categorized as a server who complains about 2v1 when its expected in a 1v1v1. Not an alliance, big difference.

sceptus.9415:

@Nyari Cil – just keep doing what you do best in EB. Win or lose, those in the BL always look to EB for inspiration.

This. I don’t know how you put up with EB. I stick with the BL’s.

drtoph.4857:

You guys(TC) are upset b/c for the first time in a month you are having to deal with what YB, CD and FA has had to deal with the entire time. We have all had both opposing servers in our backyard for the last 3.5 weeks. Its easy to talk about superior defense when no one is attacking your shizz, not so easy now is it? Get used to it, I’m gunning for you TC. Before you say it, no its not because I want to move up a tier, its b/c of all the mess you have been talking on the forums the past few weeks. Look forward to seeing you and all that superior defense, I imagine I will be wiping that smug smile off the bottom of my boot.

There is a difference between intentional game mechanics, ie FA has higher points lets attack them. CDs perspective, FA is higher than us, lets attack them along with TC since they will be splitting their forces. An alliance brings communication and strategy to the table together. Big difference.

JakobGW.5730:

Again, more speculation. How do you know I was with only 10 players?

Oh, wait. I’m sorry. It must be a fact that I was with only 10 players because you stated so here in this thread on these forums.

My bad. I completely forgot that everything stated on the forums is a fact.

Is this guy for real? Or am I feeding a troll? You got me guys lol. Good one.

JakobGW.5730:

Again, most of this is pure speculation:
1. My crew as well as myself didn’t follow a commander. We just kill, whether you appear green or red to us doesn’t matter.
2. The earlier screenshots look exactly like they did on Friday night, when both FA and CD attacked TC borderlands. You saying there was an alliance then too?

I honestly don’t blame TC for beefing this up a bit. I would too if I were on your server. It’s a perfect morale booster to say, “Look! We had two servers form an alliance against us and we still came out victorious!”

Cool, so your group of 10 players didn’t know. Its expected that entire servers to not know about everything.

Read this entire thread and you will see there is no speculation. It happened and it was conveyed openly about the alliance. Everyone wants to believe their server is better than X server and I understand that, but this is a fact, this isn’t an excuse.

Isaac.6041:

Right after the update today:

Nice hacking attempt by 5 unguilded members of Tarnished Coast on Askalion Hills.

We know it’s not a Mesmer because everyone got kicked due to the update. And all our walls and gates are undamaged.

Yet 5 of these hackers got into the lord’s room. We managed to kill them all though.

Have a nice day.

Happens.

I have personally witnessed my fair share of hackers from both FA and CD. Only one time did I make a post about it (which got deleted, had video and everything but whatever) since it definitely annoying that night.

Just chalk it upto randoms.

JakobGW.5730:

I played a little this morning and had no idea about some “alliance” between FA and CD. None of my friends playing did either. If I had to make a guess, I’d say about 20% (at the most) of both servers had any idea of this so-called “alliance” this morning with most if not all of those involved logging off by now. I wouldn’t put too much weight on it.

Only the big guilds or perhaps the commanders leading zergs knew. Based on the screenshots of maps, one side FA, other side CD, I’d say the commanders knew exactly what was going on which is what truly matters since the other 80% of people on the BL will follow a commander or follow orders of a commander. You may have been part of the grand scheme without even being aware of it.

So I will put a lot of weight on it.

For those on TCdo not be discouraged. This took 2x overnight server populations to take out TC’s overnight crew.

TC is stronger during the day and even stronger at night.

We will see the ppt by midnight.

Even if we don’t have top ppt by midnight, keep in mind, this is TWO server populations against OURS lol. This is nothing to be ashamed about to lose to. But if we top them, well….that says a lot.

Go TC go!

Update: Why looky there….. Good job TC. Already top the charts within an hour! Haha! Man, I wish I could play today….

I don’t speak for the entire TC server but I know the general concensus for the guild I am in, which plays a HUGE part in WvW btw, plans on taking it easy until after the Wintersday event ends.

That way when we move to tier 2, we will actually be playing lol.

So TC may not be the dominate server for a couple weeks.

Good luck!

Score update along with screenshot of the ap please.

rhonyn.6810:

DivineBeing.2086:

…random stuff……

Your posts come off like you’re a kitten btw…think about it, I don’t think I should explain this. :P

A kitten? Dang it. My goal was to be a bunny! :/

But seriously, I am not trying to be a jerk. I am merely trying to explain my point without leaving out too much detail so others can’t form a different perspective than my original point.

Anyways, I am done with this discussion for now. It has run it’s course. It’s time for it to die.

Bedinar.1754:

You may not be happy about a formal alliance, but there will be plenty of people in TC who I think would enjoy it. At least if you read last weeks forum thread, then you’ll remember many of them were basically begging us and Yaks to gang up on them.

And besides, everyone loves a good underdog taking a win, even if it were to be small one.

Oh, I remember. But they don’t understand the beauty of how the rankings are suppose to fluctuate. If we are continuing to dominate the other two servers in our tier, we will eventually move up to tier 2. Tier 2 WILL have our, as they said, “backs against the wall.” So once again, let it balance itself out naturally.

Raincrow.1840:

Actually it is what the game intended. The 2nd and 3rd place serevers SHOULD focus on the 1st place. The goal of the designers wasn’t to have a clear winner but to make each week a balanced fight.

It doesn’t work as well as they’d hoped though, since quite often the 1st place server is seen as unbeatable, and so 2nd and 3rd just pick on each other. That’s why alliances are being offered.

You failed to read my post. There is a difference between a formal alliance and “ganging up on the third dominate server”. Reread my entire post as I have explained this difference and how it affects the outcomes.

rhonyn.6810:

WvW is a numbers and coverage game. There aren’t enough servers with simillar pop profiles, and we don’t neatly fit into 3 bucket groupings. There is always going to be a larger/stronger server and a smaller weaker/server, especially when you add in fairweather players boosting the “winning” servers pop and lowering the “non-winning” servers pop creating even larger deltas. Tier 3 in particular seems to be a boundary tier that will always have a larger pop server from T2 down here (FA/CS/YB would prolly be a better competitive match today from a pop perspective)

So from a overall scoring perspective the only way for a server to overcome the current situation is to recruit players (xfers) or form loose alliance(s) with the other server. Working as intended

Of course, there will always be stronger and weaker servers. That’s why ranking systems work right? Everyone seems to believe that their server should progress towards tier 1 a little each week. This is not the case at all! Sometimes your server is just that a tier 3 server until something changes within your server or a server in a higher/lower tier than yours. Than this will shift the rankings.

How can a server change it’s rank?

- More skilled players.
- More players in general (this one has a bigger impact on lower population servers rather than higher population servers, think about it, I don’t think I should explain this).
- Better commanders.
- Better strategies.
- Higher tier server loses it’s population or interest in wvw, so it begins to plumpet down the rankings.
- Lower tier server has one of the above happen to them, as a result, they move up.

So servers with a WvW population size of HoD won’t be fighting against a WvW population size of TC anytime soon due to the above mechanics. This is working as intended!

If you let this system just run it’s course naturally, the above will happen and the market will steady out. Have you guys not heard about this whole, “when free transfers are stopped than servers may be fighting the same 2 servers for months” bit? It is very true because the market should remain balance. The only time it is not balanced is when an event such as HoD’s collapse happens. The market doesn’t fluctuate fast enough to move that server down in rankings quick enough, which causes HoD to be fighting much MUCH stronger servers than what they can trully handle. But, once again, let the market take its natural course, and HoD will end up at an appropriate tier suited to their over all server level.

So again, do not try to control the market!

I do understand that random pugs aren’t going to know about the alliance most likely. And that’s expected. But if an alliance does form, than the result will still be the same (outlined in my original post). This result is not good for ANY server.

When they stated “two teams can gang up to counter a more dominant third team…”, I don’t believe they had an “alliance” in mind. Most likely, they’re were talking about the whole situation of if FA is hitting TC’s bay than it would be smart if CD would start attacking TC’s hills. That’s ganging up. But if you form an alliance where no server is attacking each other’s borderland and only TC BL than no doubt TC will have it’s back against the wall, but for how long can you FA and CD do that? Until one of you moves up to T2 and get’s really demolished since that’s not where you should be? You would really be crying for an alliance than.

The fact is, a formal alliance is not intentional gameplay. Ganging up on a server is naturally going to happen. If TC owns 50% of the towers/keeps in all BL’s than what is going to end up happening? FA and CD are going to be 2v1ing TC by attacking multiple towers simultaneously which in a sense is “ganging up on the third dominate server”.

Btw, if TC doesn’t move up this week, next week, or even the week after that than that’s still ok. That just means we belong in tier 3 still but one of you doesn’t. Either way, it balances itself out naturally. Do not try to control the market :/.

FA and CD is trying to form an alliance against TC? Wow, that is definitely not intended gameplay.

If that alliance worked, and TC moved to 2nd or 3rd place at the end of the match ups, what would that do exactly? Cause all three servers to play against each other for even more matches, which would force FA and CD to keep their alliance.

Than once FA or CD (whoever is finishing first place consistently) moves up to T2 they will get completely kitten Why? They no longer have a 2v1 going against a server. They are back to where they should be, 1v1v1.

The point is, the system works if you just let it work as intended. So if TC remains in first this week (and IoJ drops another 40 points like last week) than TC will move up to T2 “where it belongs” (quotes for a reason!). IoJ will move down to T3 as it was deemed a better match up in the tier 3 ranking. And if you guys can’t be IoJ than what does that determine? Your server is a tier 3 server as it currently stands now! Do you understand? So at your servers skill level and numbers it is appropriate that you stay in tier 3. This isn’t me being a jerk towards your server. This is me trying to explain how the ranking system works. Trust me, everybody wants their server to be tier 1 material. But sometimes your server just isn’t quite there yet. Don’t rush it.

Does that make sense? I understand it may be hard to fight TC right now. It may be tempting to form an alliance to “crush us”. But in all honesty, it will just be hurting you in the long run. And it may even hurt T4 (if you were to push TC down a tier due to 2v1) because TC would COMPLETELY demolish that tier. Do you see how this creates unbalance?

Just stick in there guys. TC should soon move up to T2 and you won’t have to deal with us anymore.

Oh excala. It’s fun to see you in WvW. I think I fought you at least 3x times today alone.

You were with another d/d ele too. I couldn’t kill you guys but you couldn’t kill me. So instead you guys resulted in perfectly timed knock backs to knock me off the cliff in hills on TCBL :P. Fun times though!

See you on the battlefield!

Thieves by far!

Sorry, but I run a d/d bunker ele with 20k health and all utility slots filled with condition removals and escapes. I should be able to survive a burst! But when a thief is capable of doing over 20k in less than 1 second, something is very very wrong.

And to those saying that d/d ele’s are annoying. We do practically no damage. You know how we are able to win fights? By outlasting you! Here is a secret: immobilize (ele’s worst enemy, without our mobility we are dead).

Score update.

Good fights over all!

Shinhwa.1604:

DivineBeing.2086:

I, for one, love the drama between GODS and BLNT! Seriously. It’s very entertaining to me to hear the smack talk from both sides.

Seriously; if you can’t have made up enemies in an online war game, what’s the point? Some where in my inventory is a ‘rabbit finisher’ for wvw. I’ve never used it. But what purpose can it serve other than mocking of the other guy?

The game has a pitiful number of emotes. They took out the ability to express oneself to the other side with /me. Can we not talk the smack here? Half the fun of playing Halo with my kids is listening to them taunt me. So make with the taunting already and lets get ready to let loose the dogs of war tonight!

Exactly! It’s part of the game, don’t take it so personally or seriously. At the end of the game, shake hands and part ways. Done.

But I highly doubt this forum would allow that. They have to cater to the carebears who get offended by looking at them wrong.

I, for one, love the drama between GODS and BLNT! Seriously. It’s very entertaining to me to hear the smack talk from both sides.

It’s much better than hearing the same old posts “we took X and Y tower from you tonight Yea!” ….2 hours later….“we took X tower back but man that was a hard long fight at Y”.

Been there, read that, I was there.

Moar Drama and smack talk! This is competition guys! Smack talk doesn’t mean you hate the person nor does the smack talk even has to be hurtful.

There is a line between drama and just straight up “QQ more” posts.

But it sounds like people take smack talk and drama too personally though, so if you don’t mind GODS and BLNT, could you CC me or forward your private messages to me? Idon’t take things to heart as I realize this is just a game and its a very competitive one at that. People have an inclination to believe their server is better than X server and they will voice that opinion.

I am really looking forward to next week. FA and CD both hate us from prior matches so this should be interesting.

I have to agree with the poster about saving 100g on a commanders tag.

The commanders seem to do a good job in TC and the more they practice than obviously the better they will get.

My guild leader was one of the best commanders on BG when they were tier 1. While in tier 1, majority of the wvw guilds stopped playing due to the whining of SBI and JQ. Our guild still showed up every night sometimes for 30 hours straight! And we held our ground majority of the time!

He has yet to flag up since we moved to TC! I ask him occassionally, “why don’t you flag up?” He would rather the other commanders get more practice. But every now and than while we are in mumble, he will pull us all aside to build siege elsewhere or ninja something in order to help the commanding commander out. The commander usually thanks us too.

I don’t even know how many key trebs we have destroyed lol.

Anyways, TC will get even stronger as time moves on. I think T2 is where majority of that learningwill come from.

I really don’t understand this whole “derailing the thread”. Everything that is stated here is a part of the match.

I love the crap talk.

I love the drama.

I love reading the excuses people bring to the table.

Why? Because it is what WvW is all about. Just because it isn’t a positive spin on WvW doesn’t mean it needs to be swept under the rug.

I just don’t get why threads are closed or infractions are given in threads like these. I mean we are talking about a 1v1v1 SERVER WIDE match up! There is going to be people with EXTREME server pride (extremist). They will try to stir up drama.

What should we do? Point and laugh at their fail logic and move on. The only reason why such people stir up drama is because they are hurt in some shape or form and they aren’t thinking before speaking.

Just let it happen.

selan.8354:

Smoke.8910:

selan.8354:

oh and by the way to all u guys saying u are focusing on fa bl because our defense is so bad and yb s defense so great..u said the same about cd didnt u?

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/74752-yaks-bend-vs-crystal-desert-vs-tarnished-coast/page__st__30

:-)

So TC didn’t attack YB much before due to thier good defense and now, TC still doesn’t attack YB much due to thier good defense.

I don’t understand what you’re saying there.

oh just saying it’s interesting that all other servers have a bad defense and thats why they always get attacked by both at the same time. that’s what u guys are saying right? and i was just saying it’s interesting, that’s all. ;-)

Heres how WvW works.

FA = was a big threat in T4. You guys dominated it. Everyone saw that. So when FA moves to T3 what should the servers already in T3 do? Make sure FA doesn’t dominate us. So you will be focused down. Deal with it.

TC will be in the exact same boat if/when we move to T2. We are dominating T3, the servers in T2 will notice that. So what will those two servers in T2 do? Focus their attention on TC!

That’s another reason why I really hate these players on TC that post stuff like “please YB and FA, team up and attack us so we have our backs against the wall.” No! Play WvW the way it was meant to be played, strategically. Let the system work it’s course naturally so TC moves up to T2, as it should, THEN we will be focused there. And you will get that whole “TC’s back against the wall” feeling, trust me.

Atomic Sharks.7250:

haven’t faced many good staff eles have you

Is it that obvious?

And I for sure would have thought WvW (the only thing I play now) would display the 2h staff proness.

I am honestly not convinenced that a 2h staff elementalist is a counter against a d/d elementalist. When I see a 2h staff elementalist, I immediately think “oooo, free kill”. :P

MethodicMockingbird.6520:

You must not have read my first post. Most of these fixes are things that should’ve been the base game. I’m all for fixes, but I’m not going to praise the devs for giving us non-kittened abilities when that’s what should’ve been the case from the start.

Unrealistic expectations my friend. Unrealistic. You can’t expect software to be 100% bug free upon release. It’s just not going to happen, ever.

zargnath.9524:

No you can’t. You will need one Vial of condensed mist essence which drop in FotM. You will also need 24 skill points availible for Philosophere stones or crystals.

Ok, let’s say I have those. I have 79 skill points available right now. And I also have a vial of condensed mist. So can I buy the rest of the ingredients to make the rings or back plates?

Now, I know there is no way to directly buy ascended gear with gems, but I am looking for an indirect way.

So is it possible? Can I buy $400 worth of gems, convert that to gold, and buy the ingredients needed to make them in the TP?

If so, what can I make? What is the recipe?

I ask this because I am not much of a PvEr, but rather a WvWer. I heard you can trade 500 badges for an ascended item, but what? And I would prefer the gem to gold conversion route considering I rarely pick up my bags of loot on the ground. I would rather kill the target and keep going than stop and look back for bags.

Thanks!

If you have even just one elementalists than you should be able to do both path 1 and 3.

The elementalist needs to be 2h staff and have frost bow along with armor of earth on their utility belt.

Have EVERYONE hug the burrows each time! So you go together, burrow to burrow, and stand on top of it. AOE = kills burrow and mobs at the same time. You will never have trouble again.

Trust me, I just did this today and we killed all the burrows by 85%. So we sat there and danced the remaining 15%.

Also, a screenshot of the current map.

I think we won :O.

Not going to lie. It is getting pretty irritating reading “if you want a real transfer, transfer off of TC”. You realize that is the most fail logic ever right?

Lets say some do go from TC to YB or FA. Then what? They stay until that server has “no challenge” (even though moving up a tier presents a tougher challenge but lets completely ignore the correct logic here). They just transfer again? Fail!

The proper solution is to do some house keeping in TC by encouraging everyone to work together even more. That way when we get to tier 2 we can be at least even more prepared with our numbers working together!

I have been in tier 1 servers. I have seen te constant 2 hour queue times. TC doesn’t hav the NUMBERS you really think we have. We ONLY have a constant 5 minute queue time on EB. The rest of the BL has no queue times ever.

Fact is, we are pure numbers. We are a skillful serve with good tactics. Did some transfer over? Probably, but not as much as you guys are making it out to be.

So stop trying to kill the TC server by encouraging players to transfer off. There is absolutely nothing wrong with TC. If anything we ll should be extremely proud of ourselves from improving so much!

lionspride.7596:

Why would we care who gets second? We want first and we do what we can to make sure that happens. Sometimes that will roll Yak way sometimes FA, but helping either of you get second? Why would we, what’s in it for us? You’re both the enemy.

So much this. Also, have you noticed its always TC teaming up with another server? Its never TC being teamed up against. I wonder why…

Oh yea, its the fact every server has to do what it takes to move up. Which means watching FA take down YB’s tower walls and TC coming ight behind them as the walls drop to wipe both zergs.

Sorry, but I am loving TC. The longest queue time I have had so far was for EB (which is usual) and that was 5 minutes!

If you think 5 minutes is something to complain about I can’t imagine how you would feel about Blackgates primetime 2 hour wait times for ALL BLs! Lol.

Plus, once TC moves up to tier 2 than we will be put into our place very quickly. That “rush” will come back since we will have to start rethinking strategies in order to remain competitive.

So just wait another week or two.

Hmm, this may be the last week TC will be in tier 3 guys.

I don’t want to sound kitteny but we have out grown this tier. Does that mean that we are ready for tier 2? Well….we will see.

Good luck FA and YB.

Mesmers are one of the most useful classes in WvW!

Portal bombing? Need I say more?

That glass dome thing that negates damage or makes players invisable? Get a group of mesmers to time those right and you have yourself and invisable army (legitly) and nearly indestructible siege placements.