Guild Wars 2

Hule.8794:

Yes i know it is not good idea, but on the other hand you want to destabilise other tiers than T1.
You want more variety for T1 and it does not matter if T2-T8 will have really bad matchups (look on FR).

You can find great battles in fighting lower tiers, I for example loved being stomped by FR because it was fun fighting them, but after 3 weeks it really got boring.

And dont forget many people transfered to T1 because of easy loot and that “lower tiers are dead”

You are completely over exaggerating though.

We aren’t proposing the #1 tier 1 server fights a tier 5 server. The worst possible match up would be #3 tier 2 server going against #1 tier 1, and even that match up wouldn’t be a complete blow out due to the other server in the match up.

We are talking about A LITTLE variety in match ups, not a HUGE variety.

The match ups will still be relatively balanced to be honest.

Does this mean servers like FA fighting BG have a huge chance of winning? No, not really. But if I was in FA’s shoes I would like at least a chance at fighting a tier 1 server every once in a while just to see how they measure up in terms of improvement.

Their incentive for Pvding is an uninterrupted karma train. Why leave when you are getting massive amounts of free materials for Ascended gear.

CrimsonProject.7980:

Just my attempt to read PPT shenanigans (which is not my forte by any means). BG knows that after the weekend is over, SoR won’t be able to maintain its current pace, as a result BG is more inclined to hit JQ and play the map since JQ might be able to overtake them while SoR won’t even with the slight lead we have over JQ right now.

This pretty much.

No offense SoR, but JQ is much more of a threat.

HighBread.9145:

I think this will actually create more balanced servers as time goes on, with the exception of one stacked Blackgate server. SoR and JQ will get tired of losing to BG every week and a lot of people will probably transfer to lower servers or to BG. SoR and JQ ranks will drop, lower server ranks will go up. The same will happen with the losing servers throughout all the tiers until the servers balance out, which will create more varied match ups as time goes on.

I wouldn’t count on JQ quitting because of losing.

JQ has never been below tier 1 since GW2 released. They always came in 2nd or 3rd (mostly 3rd) up until SoS collasped and JQ was the new number 1 server.

Fuzzion.2504:

ESO beta so less folks on.

There seems to be less folks ALL around honestly.

Friday, reset night right? I, a BG player, was able to port to any BL freely without even a queue.

That says A LOT.

root.9415:

I actually like this idea. I’m sure there are plenty of players that enjoy easily rolling over their opponents but i think the majority of WvW players would much prefer close matchups than a complete blowout.

I for one trust the judgement of humans far more than an RNG algorythm. Call me old fashioned.

That is really just it to be honest. As a BG player, I know a lot of BG folk would love to fight against TC again. And I am sure TC feels the same way. And the good news it wouldn’t be a total blow out as TC’s NA prime time is pretty top notch.

Would we know the outcome of some matches? Sure, but honestly who wouldn’t like to play a game of basketball with Michael Jordan or golf with Tiger Woods? It would be fun to just say you “tried.”

After reading a thread about which server you would like to face during Season 1, I began to wonder.

Why can’t the community come up with our own matches every other month?

How it would work:
- In the WvW IN GAME dialog, there will be a poll where you can select the other two servers you would like to face next week.
- The totals will be tallied for EACH SERVER BASED ON A WEIGHTED TOTAL. The matches with the highest amount of votes will be determined.
- Population = determines the weight. Lower population = more weight. This helps even the amount of votes vs high population servers.

Thoughts?

Wow, that is going to get really old really fast.

Maybe my server can call a two-week WvW blackout and tank in ranks to diverse those match ups a bit.

<<<<BG player.

Crimson Riddles.3892:

DivineBeing.2086:

Reslinal.2359:

Poxheart.2845:

Reslinal.2359:

I don’t know, perhaps you should consider not insulting other T1 servers when your own server can pull 24/7 queues when fighting against T2 servers?

I don’t think I’ve ever experienced a 24/7 queue when fighting T2 servers.

It is a figure of speech, I haven’t personally witnessed 24/7 queues, I do remember seeing a JQ poster mentioned it but it also looked more like a figure of speech.

I get asked a lot how the queues on BG are, or how I am liking them. It seems like everyone assumes we have a full map force 24/7 when in reality it isn’t even close to that.

For instance, just yesterday I was running with a 10 man “zerg”. They were the only players on the map. We got wiped plenty of times by HUGE JQ forces for poking their bay or hills.

It is truly amazing how people can fabricate such perceptions about a server, actually I I don’t with the amount of people from other servers giving false perceptions.

Oh well though, I am sure there are some people out there that know the truth.

People will say whatever they can to make themselves feel better. No matter how you look at it, they will never be satisfied until they are the ones that are winning…

I am going to have to agree. Sad thing is, if someone ever beats BG they will still post how we have 24/7 queues xD.

Reslinal.2359:

Poxheart.2845:

Reslinal.2359:

I don’t know, perhaps you should consider not insulting other T1 servers when your own server can pull 24/7 queues when fighting against T2 servers?

I don’t think I’ve ever experienced a 24/7 queue when fighting T2 servers.

It is a figure of speech, I haven’t personally witnessed 24/7 queues, I do remember seeing a JQ poster mentioned it but it also looked more like a figure of speech.

I get asked a lot how the queues on BG are, or how I am liking them. It seems like everyone assumes we have a full map force 24/7 when in reality it isn’t even close to that.

For instance, just yesterday I was running with a 10 man “zerg”. They were the only players on the map. We got wiped plenty of times by HUGE JQ forces for poking their bay or hills.

It is truly amazing how people can fabricate such perceptions about a server, actually I I don’t with the amount of people from other servers giving false perceptions.

Oh well though, I am sure there are some people out there that know the truth.

Night Hawk Ix.7360:

EPIC Season 1 chest rewards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXDXeVoWclc

HAHAHA! That was the most hilarious video ever!

Seriously lol, +1 good sir.

Reslinal.2359:

A lot of people on BG have left GW2 to try new games then came back. So I am really not too worried about the long term impact of ESO on GW2 yet if it is as bad as a lot of you claim it to be.

I am sure a lot of people are like me who cycles through their games once they get burned out on one.

Eventually, they will cycle back to GW2, just like I did.

Lol, what!? People play for ppt in WORLD vs WORLD vs WORLDM? Gasp! its almost as if that is the entire objective of WvW….

….and here some people are talking about 1v1s and GvGs, maybe rename WvW to GvG so the others feel they are actually contributing in a non selfish manner?

:).

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Any idea who we are fighting this reset?

You’re fighting each other (66% chance or better, right?) if the RNG has mercy on the rest of us.

Everyone in T2 wants a piece of SBI before they crumble.

Why do you think SBI is going to crumble?

1. Because they failed to win Silver League, a driving force for many of their transfers

2. They will be in regular contact with higher population servers.

3. Comments made by SBI posters and back-channel comments

4. Their coalition didn’t have time to mature before seasons.

I’ll add that there are many reasons why they can pull it together; their core of long-time players who’ve been through the server’s best and worst, the idea that they’ve come this far so why stop, etc.

I guess the biggest point is that they do not have an identity yet. They’ve only had 4 matches where they were significantly challenged since they’ve put together their new server.
Once they have that, then it should be easy for everyone to know who and what they are.

SBI had already crumbled. They used to be the top server after TA disbanded causing HoD to crumble.

So in reality their feet wasn’t on stable ground yet….

Ahmrill.7512:

Straegen.2938:

Two healing staff/hammer guardians and three shout/banner/hammer warriors in each party. Take 3-4 parties and watch everything melt.

And that pretty much sums up the state of class balance.

And watch 5 necros melt that entire party in one big Well of Corruption bomb.

GG.

Elementalist = d/d for roaming/solo. 2h staff for zerg. You need BOTH weapon sets.

Necro = condition built = roaming. Power wells = zergs. You can’t do both.

I hope it’s Friday, since karma trains are always Friday….

Doomdesire.9365:

DivineBeing.2086:

Doomdesire.9365:

It doesn’t matter if TC ticks for 695 PPT during the ~8 hours of NA prime if you tick at 100 ppt during the other 16 hours while the enemy server ticks at 595

Explain that to TC’s current rank.

Fact is, nobody has absolute ZERO overnight coverage. Very rarely do you see a server ticking at over 600 ppt during any part of the day.

TC has extremely, extremely limited coverage overnight, I know because I was there for a good couple months, and still know people on that server. They are fighting servers like SoS who was deemed the “Oceanic” server.

Check out the match history right now, particularly the Income Evolution for 1d:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/

If that doesn’t spell it out, then I don’t know what will….

That data shows the SoS can pull a tick over TC for a few hours during oceanic, then get destroyed during SEA and EU. Either way that contradicts your statements. If TC had close to zero overnight coverage, they wouldn’t tick so high during SEA and EU. I can tell you right now if SoS ticked the same ppt as TC during NA, TC would still win due to superior overnight coverage.

Oceanic timezone IS only like 3-4 hours. That’s hardly “overnight” or off NA coverage.

You half way are getting there. I will spell it out though.

No server, not even BG, has full 24/7 full queued coverage on every map. So what you’re suggesting (ticking at 695 ppt the other full 16 hours during the day) will not happen unless under extreme circumstances such as server implodes or a server like BG fighting the lowest ranked server.

That isn’t happening, at all.

The point is, MOST servers are like SoS or TC where they may have one or two strong timezones but that doesn’t mean their coverage alone wins them the match because the other servers they are matched against (TC vs SoS ex) are able to at least hold their own in the weaker part of timezones, ticker higher in their stronger timezones, than finally clash at NA prime.

And if you noticed SoS (king of Oceanics since beta release!) Only ticked at 350ish ppt during Oceanic timezone. Does this mean TC has great coverage in Oceanic too? No. Think about it, TCs towers were probably t3, loaded with defensive siege like the NA crew always does before they go to bed, so when the poor souls who have to defend against 30+ have a fighting chance, or slow them down if anything.

Doomdesire.9365:

It doesn’t matter if TC ticks for 695 PPT during the ~8 hours of NA prime if you tick at 100 ppt during the other 16 hours while the enemy server ticks at 595

Explain that to TC’s current rank.

Fact is, nobody has absolute ZERO overnight coverage. Very rarely do you see a server ticking at over 600 ppt during any part of the day.

TC has extremely, extremely limited coverage overnight, I know because I was there for a good couple months, and still know people on that server. They are fighting servers like SoS who was deemed the “Oceanic” server.

Check out the match history right now, particularly the Income Evolution for 1d:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/36/

If that doesn’t spell it out, then I don’t know what will….

Large organized fights, aka zerg vs zerg. The satisfaction of well bombing the enemy zerg and watching them melt is intoxicating.

zoidberg.7801:

DivineBeing.2086:

Tougher fights?

I have been on Kaineng when it was tier 8 in order to finish my map completion for my legendary. During the rest of that week that I was on that server my eyes were definitely given a whole new perspective on things.

Lower tier servers can’t even compare to top tier servers in terms of strategy, cooperation, willingness to fight, and just overall obedience.

Sorry, join a server like BG or JQ for a couple weeks than join the last place server. You’ll see how nonchalent the players in lower tiers are.

I think one of the reasons for this is that we just don’t have the manpower. From what I can gather top tier servers have scores of dedicated players, while lower tier ones have much fewer players in them, and so have much less strategic potential.

And I completely understand that.

I am not trying to belittle your server in any way. In fact, I made a lot of friends pretty quick in the short time I was on there. Smaller classrooms = stronger relationships.

Its just the misperceptions like the OP have in terms of coverage > skill is a flat out lie.

Take TC for example, they have little to ZERO overnight coverage, but yet they are tied for 3rd place. Why? Their NA coverage is honestly one of the best, if not the best.

Don’t blame lack of coverage.

Tougher fights?

I have been on Kaineng when it was tier 8 in order to finish my map completion for my legendary. During the rest of that week that I was on that server my eyes were definitely given a whole new perspective on things.

Lower tier servers can’t even compare to top tier servers in terms of strategy, cooperation, willingness to fight, and just overall obedience.

Sorry, join a server like BG or JQ for a couple weeks than join the last place server. You’ll see how nonchalent the players in lower tiers are.

Tentacle Love.3412:

I’d love to congratulate you, but there’s an awfully long queue to get in to even say hi.

You mean you can’t wait 10 minutes to get into SoR BL?

Wow, such a busy person :O!

Distaste.4801:

SFShinigami.2015:

JQ did not buy MERC… some gold was given to help get them over.

We did not buy 3 EU guilds…we helped anyone who didn’t have enough.

Prior to the run up to the season JQ was the weakest of the three servers. We had nothing between PST->OCX, had at best equal footing during SEA, maybe a little more if we were lucky that day, nothing between SEA->an hour or two into NA which is a VERY large time period. Our NA could queue 1-2 maps + EB with stragglers on the 3rd and we almost blew a huge lead in a match against TC because we had nobody during weekdays. Following the period we finally gained some new guilds, we had the most even matchup this game has seen and it was glorious. Everyone had equal fights and the winner was more or less chosen by who played map politics better and for once, not who had the best coverage. If you cannot see why the transfering of each one of these guilds was a good thing for JQ and T1 then perhaps you need some new glasses.

Before IRON left, JQ could squeek through EU because SoR/BG kept each other busy. Now the only sizable force during EU is BG. BG also still has the largest during pre-OCX/OCX and temporarily the Russian time zone. No matter what you think you know, JQ does not have the same coverage of BG. Our SEA guys were staying up extremely late and our NA guys were getting on early to try and cover the ~7 hours between normal SEA and when our NA gets on and we did not queue maps at all during the week when people have jobs and lives. We managed to hold garrison the entire BG matchup but that was about it. I played a couple times during that time zone and there was a huge BG blob on each map and no 3rd force to help distract it.

JQs transfer guilds from the time SF and SBI friends + PRX joined the server until our first guild showed up in August, a period of about 8 months were ZERO. Omen came and left, some EMP left, Zombieland joined us and then disbanded, Agg visited briefly, we lost WARD/Aco, the SBI friends guilds all merged more or less into SF. That adds up to a net loss in terms of player numbers while the other two servers continued to grow. Sure JQ was larger at the begining, but the other two passed us eventually.

So please, go ahead and rant about how JQ “bought” guilds. All that means is that you are saying you want to be able to PvDoor all day and do not want fair competition and fun fights because thats what JQ “buying” guilds has given this T1 matchup, or at least relatively close to it, with the unfortunate troubles SoR is dealing with. Having lived through similar circumstances, I do not wish that on anybody.

Perhaps you didn’t get a copy of the JQ/SOR memo that was sent to BG. If you help a guild transferring to your server with transfer costs, be it 1g or 10000g, you are “buying” them. So even though JQ helped more guilds with transfer costs, BG is known for “buying” the win since they helped 1 guild with some costs. JQ/SoR are equally as guilty when it comes to “buying” guilds, it’s convenient that people forgot the weeks leading up to season 1. I don’t blame the servers as that’s what needed to be done to compete and go for the win. The people I have issue with are the ones on those servers crying foul even though their server is guilty of doing the same.

This. We seriously need to keep bumping this until it gets threw the thick and stubborn skulls of a lot of PvFers on here.

What you described JQ did, is EXACTLY what happened to BG. I know, because I paid a huge sum to help get THE REST OF MERC’s members to transfer over. (emphasize on the THE REST OF, meaning AFTER they started transferring).

There was ZERO bribes or incentives.

hints.8036:

Storytime from JQ BL on reset (lead by SF) – this is what happened…

Background: Overall shorter queue because of Thanksgiving. I would characterize the map politics here as “non-alliance, common enemy”.

JQ didn’t touch SoR’s Bay at all and SoR also left the north side of the map alone (we both get our WP). JQ and SoR have a great common “undefeated” enemey here (BG), but its clear that we definitely fight each other when the opportunity comes. The center focus for ~6 hours is pretty much on Hills.

Bag count: 63 heavy loot bags + 1 Tooth of the Frostfang (apparently a 450G precursor that I just found out this morning LOL).

Garrison: BG tried to establish an early 2v1 with a garrison push, but its clear that SoR is not going to get duped after the Week 1 experience. With no help, BG quickly gave our people 25+ stacks right away.(3 min)

Hills: Our early focus on BG didn’t yield too much result. The defender advantage would be repeated again tonight. (1.5 min) (1 min)

JQ/SoR vs BG: These are examples of “non-alliance, common enemy”. BG’s inherit defender advantage is quickly nullfied when facing 2 non-allied servers.

• SoR wiped JQ – 1.5 min
• JQ/SoR wiped BG 1 min
• JQ wiped SoR/BG (P1 – 4.5 min) (P2 – 3.5 min) — highlights of the night
• JQ gave SoR Hills for free – 0.5 min

Downfall of BG: This is a period of (I would imagine) a gradual demoralizing grind for BG – with a sizable force investment on this map yet no ppt from JQ BL and constant wipes.

• BG take Hills back at some point and its clear that when BG owns Hills (with defender advantage + the closer spawn WP) they can defend it quite well.(1 min) (1 min)
• Likewise, when JQ has the defender benefit BG becomes very ineffective: (1 min) (1 min) (2.5 min) (1.5 min) (1.5 min) (1.5 min)

BG waiting it out: Once we have Hills on a lockdown, BG realize that they need to starve our supply (NE/SE) to prevent a Hills upgrade. They were semi-successful at this (at the cost of giving us many bags) but then it frees up our supply route for Garrison and accelerated our WP upgrade. I think their strategy here is to wait until our NA sleeps so that their OCX force can kick in (see What’s next below):

• NE: (2 min) (2.5 min) (3 min) (1.5 min) (1.5 min) (1.5 min)
• SE:(1 min) (1 min)
• N Camp: Few token distraction from both SoR/BG. Overall non-eventful.
  (JQ wiped BG – 2.5 min) (JQ wiped SoR – 30s)

What’s next?

• SoR: SoR has demonstrated that they are rightfully T1. They managed to take BG spawn tower (with minimal help from us) multiple times. This is a very difficult tower to take with the spawn WP.
• BG: BG has very impressive coverage. Despite all of our hardwork, after NA logged off, they have an equal size OCX force that kicked in immediately and paper our Hills. At the time of writing this, at beginning of EU time (!), BG is at the cusp of overtaking us in total points.

And the blissfully unaware of map strategy, aka “we stopped them from taking X” begins lol.

Sovereign.1093:

DivineBeing.2086:

Sovereign.1093:

http://i.imgur.com/FVY31gj.jpg

Hey, where did you find this at?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1rrlr3/infographics_wvw_week_6_in_numbers/

Thank you!

Sovereign.1093:

http://i.imgur.com/FVY31gj.jpg

Hey, where did you find this at?

Warthog.6870:

DivineBeing.2086:

In reality though, all you’re doing is wasting a potential slot where another player who actually wants to play WvW may actually do so. No queues? I doubt you have no queues 24/7.

If we have queues it’s on 1 or 2 maps max and they pop after 20 minutes max (on reset usually all maps are queued). … because door-fighting people are wasting the slots of people who want to fight people from other servers who want to fight people from yet another server.

~people~

Taking posts out of contexts and failing to read the entire thing.

In an actual balanced match up, we wouldn’t be pvding (if we even are btw). We shouldn’t be matched with you guys. Thanks for the rebuttal attempt though.

Solo roaming and just roaming in general is part of WvW btw. Due to a lot of guilds taking a break during this week I have been soloing roaming a lot. You don’t have to be in a 30+ man zerg to contribute to your server.

Hydrobutter.9172:

that’s a whole lotta words about how not mad you are

As if the size of a post has any correlation with the amount of anger in it. Think I am done responding to you lol. xD

NeroGuilt.4720:

Oh wow. So, which server does the most PvD has the most skill? That is more narrow than me preferring 1v1 and 1vX. At no point did I say i was soooooooGEWDDDDDD ZERMG. I just prefer actually challenging myself. You can’t judge it by matchups when mag is so out of place in this, and if you do…that’s pretty sad.

Which is why BG shouldn’t even be fighting you guys in the first place.

You can argue that you can play the game however you want and in reality you can. A professional soccer player can choose to play rock, paper, scissors with other soccer players during the middle of the game.

In reality though, all you’re doing is wasting a potential slot where another player who actually wants to play WvW may actually do so. No queues? I doubt you have no queues 24/7.

I know a lot of you 1v1 enthusiast want to throw all your hate towards me justifying that the match has already been decided. Go ahead and give up, that’s cool.

In reality, you should be directing your hate towards Anet and their match up system, or if the rumors are true FA for throwing the match. So either Anet’s match up system is messed up and you guys drew the short end of the stick OR FA threw their match in order for them to stay in tier 2 thus jacking up the balance of this match up.

Because you are right. BG does have superior coverage than Mag. Is that our fault? Maybe. However, the score itself shows that this match up shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

So, sorry guys. I know how feels to be matched up against a server with superior coverage, it’s no fun. I am sure that’s why BG decided to recruit guilds to fill those gaps in coverage when the whole “1 last FREE server transfer” occurred. Again, honestly though, if you seriously do lack coverage (and I am assuming you actually know your coverage 24/7 and not BSing, nor do I know that my coverage is actually getting fights) then you should have not been matched against us.

However, this still doesn’t change the fact you are playing WvW and not PvP lol. Nobody should be angry that their 1v1 is ruined….

Not a dev and no I try to avoid wasting my servers queue slot on hanging by the windmill lol.

I seriously shake my head everytime I hear someone complaining about their 1v1 being ruined though. If you want to pvp then there is a pvp system in place. They even banned foods and oils for yea.

And no, I don’t jump in if I am running by, unless a fellow BG player is being 2v1 or it was a clear gank and not a duel.

But yea, I am here to play WvW not PvP….where the objective is to get your number to be bigger than the other two numbers….yea….lol! XD

Anyone else tired of hearing about duels, 1v1, and gvg in WORLD vs WORLD vs WORLD?

I mean its almost as if 1v1, duels, or gvg isn’t the main purpose of WORLD vs WORLD vs WORLD….who would of thought….

Some people are playing the wrong game type…. TPVP is that way —-→.

I just read an excellent idea out of another thread.

Your WvW experience dictates your priority in the queue.

That doesn’t mean when a hardcore WvWer wants in he immediately gets in and a less experienced player already in WvW is kicked.

What this means is that if there is a queue then those that are more experienced in WvW get placed ahead of those less experienced.

This may not sound fair at first, but when you need, say, a top commander or guild, in a particular BL than this would help quicken the process.

Discuss. Flame Shield On

Kaleban.9834:

Spending a lot more time reading and posting on forums complaining about the heavy handed nerfs ANet is handing out that have no logical or rational consistency with either the classes themselves or actual game balance.

The desire to login and actually play is beginning to be a fleetingly rare event. I never wanted to play Warrior-Thief Online, I thought I was playing Guild Wars 2. The push against Eles now is strikingly similar to the marginalization of the GW1 Ele to an ER boon prot heal/support as the only viable build.

For a class type that stereotypically in most forms of media is the “nuke from range” character, ANet’s design decisions make little, if any sense. The idea of an Ele as a “jack of all trades” would be nice if it was the case, but its not.

Its times like these that make me wish game companies would stop making MMOs, because it seems that even the fun ones tend to poop all over themselves after a while by listening to a very small vocal minority because they scream the loudest. I mean, the whole point was to nerf the S/D bunker in PvP, and yet these nerfs were applied globally and actually make Ele players in ALL game modes bunker further to compensate for the lack of mobility and survivability.

I just don’t get it.

This. I took a break from GW2 about two months ago and patches like these are giving me more reasons to not even look back anymore.

It’s truly sad really. When I played there were far and between actually “decent” ele’s in WvW. I think I only ran into one or two who actually gave me a run for my money. Now, this patch will turn the really good ele’s into “decent”…and the rest…well you know.

Back to SC2 HOTS. Later….

Good job Anet. With all these nerfs to the only class that I played (I even had a legendary on it) it pushes me farther and farther away from returning.

All this hinting going around :o.

Lol, wow guys….

BG cannot be the new roleplaying server :o.

muekung.2518:

DivineBeing.2086:

I won’t explicitly state the obvious here as it is a very valid tactic. But if a server out numbers you, but that server balls up. What should you do?

I apologize if my post sound bitter, my english is bad xD

Yeah, I agreed that’s a good move by BG, you guys held PPT lead for good 2-3 hours ? in SEA primetime and closing the gap between you and JQ. :P

Ah! No problem man. I might have read the tone of the message wrong too.

muekung.2518:

I find this funny that NOC (ex-AA guild) trash talked FoO (Another Ex-AA guild)…..

Oh BG cant match JQ’s number in SEA primetime ? pls…..

IE : Last night [Thai] was keep FoO busy in JQ BL bay for what ? 2-3 hours ? while BG

slowly recap their own BL and I believe that Never DiE hold SM till EU primetime.

My point is BG have more SEA guild spread atleast 3 BL (not full queue ofc) and I’m not sure if JQ can do that.

I won’t explicitly state the obvious here as it is a very valid tactic. But if a server out numbers you, but that server balls up. What should you do?

Jayne.9251:

nibbles.2408:

Is MOS broken for anyone else…? And on that note, score update? =D

It appears to be a “cake” problem.

*eyes you all suspiciously ….

I love you Jayne lol.

wish.3102:

EDIT: It can be hard to see here, but to me it really looked like an even fight, sea of blackgates was just very spread out and got crushed. Beyond what appeared to me to look like an even fight, is the fact that these mostly Merc and ND people actually charged the FOO crew 3 or 4 times in the 3~ hours I played this morning. Which leads me to believe they actually thought they could win, so they must of had decently even numbers. But regardless of that, these people had more than enough numbers wise to hold onto a fully upgraded garrison on their own BL map for more than 15 minutes I would think. FOO and crew didnt even try, they just dropped rams and crushed these guys and flipped garrison in about 15 minutes. It would of been less but you’d be amazed how many Warriors SOB fields that run that banner to res the keep lord.

Not to put a damer on your argument but you know the new culling system they implemented displays enemies first THAN your allies right? So the even numbers you see in your screenshot is only showing a fraction of your allies present :o.

FractalChaos.6539:

That’s how you “win” T1; you beg other servers’ guilds to defect to yours until nothing the other servers can do matters in the face of your numerical superiority.

You disagree?

How many servers have gotten to T1 without guild transfers or overhwelming population advantages? How many servers managed to stay in T1 and keep winning when their population dropped even, say, 10-15%?

Yeah that’s what I thought. Please, spare me the “It’s all skill, dedication and organization” drivel.

Kind of like if you brought a professional soccer team (full team) vs a high school (fields 3 guys + goalie) team.

If the professional soccer team wins, it is only because of numbers alone right? Not the fact that they constantly play the toughest opponents in the world on a daily basis.

My point is, you can’t prove that a tier 8 guild is superior to a tier 1 guild if numbers were equal. Just like I cannot prove that a tier 1 guild is superior to a tier 8 guild if the numbers were equal. All that can be said is more than likely it is the later.

How do I know this? I have played in tier 6 before when Kaineng was steam rolling servers still. I joined Kaineng in tier 6 in order for map completion. I am a WvW addict so I had another 6 days of doing nothing. So I WvW’d on Kaineng during those days. You can only face plam the siege placement and strategies used in lower tiers so many times before you just decide to take a break from WvW altogether.

Score update……

tkalamba.2541:

EasymodeX.4062:

Help me understand how +15.712 translates to dropping rating?

The overall projected rating, we had a difference between SoR and Kaining of 101 points earlier today, its now roughly 81. Even with us gaining rating, Kaining could still overtake us simply due to the difference in gains.

This guy knows.

tkalamba.2541:

DivineBeing.2086:

I actually believe Kaineng may rise up this coming reset. SoR may be doing good now with their Glicko rating, but remember it is the weekend where half their members can stay up.

SoR’s Glicko rating will drop as the week progresses due to their overnight coverage. Kaineng’s will either remain the same or rise further due to the other two servers overnight coverage not being able to play ball with Kaineng’s.

There’s a rating difference of 101.64 so far between Kaieng and SoR. It’s not an easy gap to close in a single week.

And so it has begun, SoR dropped rating and Kaineng’s went up :o.

Liquid.9672:

fivekiller.1432:

DivineBeing.2086:

Score update hopefully.

you ask for a score update, then post one from the future?

LOL! These forums do act weird sometimes.

Dang it! I was hoping nobody caught that :o.

SCOTTY! We are caught! BEAM ME UP NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!

Just kidding lol. I updated my Fraps to 3.5.99 (latest) and it didn’t retain my settings of saving a screenshot as JPG. You can’t post BMP’s on this forum so by the time I resaved the screenshot and uploaded it, you already sent a score update xD.

Zikory.6871:

I don’t think we’ll see Kain move up relatively soon but if the scoring stays consistent inevitable.

I actually believe Kaineng may rise up this coming reset. SoR may be doing good now with their Glicko rating, but remember it is the weekend where half their members can stay up.

SoR’s Glicko rating will drop as the week progresses due to their overnight coverage. Kaineng’s will either remain the same or rise further due to the other two servers overnight coverage not being able to play ball with Kaineng’s.

Jayne.9251:

Could someone from Kaineng please contact me in game? Thanks!

I wish Jayne would ask me to contact her…. :o

Saweth You Him.9047:

The anti-toast must be destroyed!

Soooo is an anti-toast a toaster? An oven? No wait! A bagel! How many syllables does it have? Give me a hint!

Bursts.1540:

Yes. Really the only way that anet can stop this is by a mandatory forced rez after a certain time. 10 minutes is alittle much for me personally. 5 is about how far i would wanna sit there with someone. But there are little tricks that keep them there indefinitely, like swapping armor. I first saw this from a mesmer from TC on PINK. Even said something in the forums and the guild came out and defended it as anet wouldnt allow something in game if it was an exploit. Lets see what happens with the new march path and keep your fingers crossed and submit bug reports.

Reports like these are most likely the reason why Anet never sees the real hacker reports :/. You get 100’s of reports like this a day, it really clouds the much needed reports.