Guild Wars 2

Sabastian.7126:

SoR is outmanned on 3 maps (EB, jqbl, bgbl) right now. Primetime NA

Not surprised. JQ and FA swallowed their guilds.

Peetee.9406:

LetoII.3782:

Let’s just congradulate BG on their hard-fought come-from-behind miracle win in season 2 in hopes they’ll stop beating straw men in every thread on every forum.

Cmon man, you’re giving them too little credit.

They had to overcome that massive overstacking by JQ. Those 20 SoX and 15 XPK guys that transferred over are like 300x the size of BG’s oceanic force. You need 5 100-man russian guilds to combat those numbers, but BG only recruited 3!

Mind citing those guilds we “recently recruited?” Or are you taking Smokees troll posts on the gw2wvw forums seriously? Because if you are I am afraid to tell you that his other post about ZDs transferring back to BG isn’t legit either.

LetoII.3782:

445/2= 222.5
Not a third.

But hey, let’s get real specific about a generalized original statement.

Cool, and if you really think that extra 30 ppt (assuming SoR has an equal oceanic coverage, which you and I both know is not the case since JQ took their coverage) is “dominating” that time zone then your right.

However, looking at this week (you know the week that SoRs oceanics transferred to JQ) JQ is consistently ticking at 300+ ppt.

So I think it is safe to say JQ just stacked their self from balanced between them and BG to just overstacked now.

I know a lot want to believe that BG is this massively overstacked server with 24/7 full map queues and only win through overly stacked coverage, but we are not even remotely close to that at all.

LetoII.3782:

Reverence.6915:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Reverence,

I am trying to be civil in the discussion even though I disagree with your point of view.

As stated, the data that I referenced wasn’t about this week nor last week. BG leaders have said that PVXers are doing the event the turnout is very low in wvw. I will repeat again, data showing OCX and EU dominance prior 2-3 weeks are there in MOS NA.

Unfortunately even though you used a formal ‘sir’, it is clear that you have turned this discussion ad hominem. This behavior is deplorable and contemptuous, I will disengage and refrain from showing more facts.

FW

Reverence.6915:

Fannwong, you sir, are the biggest troll here. I think you may be mistaking JQ for BG right now.

JQ always has been the “King of SEA”. They now have the biggest Oceanic coverage as well with basically all of SoR’s OCE moving to JQ. JQ’s EU is a little weaker than BG’s, but it’s hardly this so-called “PVDoor”. I logged in during EU/early NA today and saw SF and SG and had a few skirmishes with them. Was pretty fun actually, even though we only had like 30 people for all 4 maps at one point (not counting people not on TS, but even including them doesn’t bump the number up by that much).

Of course, you’re from SoR, the server that likes to whine the most about the winning servers.

Le Rooster.8715:

Seigfried.5938:

You guys can enjoy your balanced matchups PPT wise, while we enjoy our unbalanced matchups with great and frequent fights.

Chris, you have always complained about tier 1 stacking at the cost of other servers, but isn’t SoS doing that right now at the cost of tier 4?

You do realize that most of us didn’t know that the guilds were coming over, they just came over and we welcomed them.

Why do you think everyone whines about BG’s so-called “buying guilds” thing? You’re not allowed to have guilds come over to your server anymore you know that? :P. But in all seriousness, get to recruiting some more SEA and EU

If you consider 150-250 PPT dominance, but sure, whatever.

This represents half the points potential available. The other half being split by the other 2. Yes, doubling your competition is dominance.

Not shocked, after over a year on SoR and reading endless justifications for continuous bloat I’m not surprised. BG residents have never been interested in a decent match.

They mislead even themselves about it, arguing is pointless.

150-250 is not half of 695. It is a third. If we were ticking at the 250 ppt that leaves 445 ppt left for the other two servers.

Now JQ just further stacked their coverage so BG has no way to compete in oceanics.

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Reverence,

I respectfully disagree with you on some key points.

The EU force that BG has runs unopposed in EU time reducing t3 structures to paper. That is a domino effect on NA time much like the leagues.

In BG times their big hits in EU on JQ and SoR wp objectives at 1am-2am onwards. Please note that I’m not complaining, only stating BG tactics (commendable) in hitting servers at the transition zones.

I have on T2 for a stint recently and I can confirm the assessment that BG still has a very strong OCX and EU of T1 and T2.

Currently BG is in the process of enhancing the EU forces for more coverage in season 2 to ensure a 80-90% chance of victory.

There’s very little chance of having a balanced T1 and T2 for the foreseeable future.

Wow. That was the most inaccurate post I have ever read about BG honestly.

Who is your “source” btw? Because if you check MOS for this entire week and prior weeks, Oceanic is by far our weakest time zone. Our 3x 15-20 man oceanic guilds are PvX guilds that don’t get on WvW all that often, leading most of the time a pug commander for 3x BLs. So yea, our Oceanic force is obviously super strong ticking at 150 ppt, feel that power /rollseyes

EU time zone being all pvdoor? Our only 2x EU guilds are HB (you seriously think they play the ppt game?) And RK (which do not form up every night). Both guilds are 20 man guilds too. HB plays primarily in NA time zone btw.

Our only strong time zone is SEA which is matched by JQ, except our SEA tend to stay up until 2AM their time, which goes into early EU time zone.

And to further disprove your points, get on around 1 to 4 PM server time and watch SoRs 60 man map zerg float between all the BLs papering keeps/towers before BGs NA crew even get home from work. You’ll notice BG ticking around 150-225 ppt during that time.

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

I have no idea how SoR compares to T2 (how is their non-NA prime?) but they can probably still beat TC and SoS; even if it would probably be close.

BG’s EU would completely demolish any T2 (ticking over +500 at times) and both JQ and BG outnumber any T2 NA. Add in a crushing advantage in SEA….nah, it would be a bad joke.

There’s no population advantage during NA between T1 and T2 right now. Was a bit different back in leagues, but it is really really different now. Especially with a focus on smaller groups from both JQ and BG so instead of seeing 70-80 man blobs, you’d see 2-3x 20-30 man groups on different parts of the map, most of whom are looking for fights. Also, we can’t queue all 4 maps during NA prime anymore, so there’s that… we usually just have 20-30 people on each map now with a 30~ish group floating. At least BG does.

SoR could beat T2 servers, but it would be pretty close I think. They no longer have any EU and their Oceanic is pretty small now since most of them moved to JQ.

BG’s EU is 50 people max on TS. I’m not quite sure how that will “demolish” any T2 server. Sure, if we face 2 T2 servers, we’ll probably tick 400~, but it certainly won’t be “demolishment”. Same with JQ. During Oceanic, T2 servers would outnumber BG’s Oceanic believe it or not, but that’s only in a 3-5 hour period. Throw another T1 server into the mix and BG would be ticking what we normally tick during Oceanic these days – 150~200.

You would be correct in that any T1 SEA population would destroy T2 servers at the moment though. Outside of T1, perhaps only Darkhaven could put up some fight. Maybe. From my experience, on a good day, we can queue 3 maps and have a 20-30 man team on the 4th map (usually EBG cause kitten EBG) during early SEA, and have an 80 man float team during late SEA and into early EU. The only server that can compare with that is JQ.

BG and JQ during early SEA is like South Koreans vs Taiwanese/Chinese haha

Anyway, tl;dr, several time zones between T1 and T2 would be fairly even with a slight advantage to T1. Only during SEA would see T1 come out on a huge lead. If T2/3 servers can get some decent SEA coverage, we could have 6~8 servers that are fairly balanced. GET RECRUITING!

Very true.

It is amazing how people who have never faced BG or been on it have such exaggerated expectations.

If we were to give you just ONE guild from, say, our SEA coverage that would literally take HALF of our SEA coverage away lol. It is not like we have 10 guilds in each time zone….

Khayoss.2019:

DivineBeing.2086:

If that is the case than either that server or your server is in the wrong tier. And if you are talking about Dragonbrand (and I know you are) than you should be able to roflstomp them in all other timezones except for Oceanic.

If they can beat you 3 out of 4 timezones than once again either you or them are in the wrong tier.

I wasn’t talking about anyone specific. Dragonbrand, sure, today they fit that bill. But I’ve been playing WvW almost exclusively since this game launched nearly a year and a half ago. In that time the story is always the same, the faces just change. It was Maguuma, it was Yaks Bend, it was Crystal Desert, it was even us for a few long stretches. You are taking it as a given that because a server is heavy in coverage in one zone then they are automatically light in another. That isn’t always the case, and in the specific example of Dragonbrand that you are putting forward, their coverage is more than adequate to fend off other time zones in their current tier of opponents long enough to secure victory… remember, all they have to do is not be zeroed out on the points board, not dominate.

You are also neglecting to allow for server #3 in the equation who also has varying coverage. To make up for a 4 hour blowout by 1 server, the two other servers need to split that servers points for nearly 4 times as long because neither has the population in any other time zone to match the feat. In some cases – like with DB – one server can hold that advantage for 6-8 hours out of a 24 hour window, meaning that the other two servers are never able to make up the gap because there simply isn’t enough hours in the day.

In the last 12 months I can count the number of compelling matchups where playing for PPT was an option on one hand. Dropping down a tier does us no good because for the servers down there we become the offending coverage heavy server. Raising the abnormal coverage server up does them no good because they can’t match up with the next tier above and the one that comes down has even better coverage than the one they replaced. The system of tiers and server versus server simply does not work for the majority of matches.

And that is why Dragonbrand is going to be moving up to tier 3 probably at the end of next week if you have been watching their rating. They are dominating not just one timezone but two, Oceanic and SEA. Their NA keeps them so they are not ticking at 100 ppt either.

All other servers should have pretty equal coverage though. Dragonbrand is really the only exception to the rule.

Other servers may have good coverage in say Oceanic, but an opposing server may have decent EU, SEA, or Oceanic to make it so that server is roflstomping in that timezone.

Again, Dragonbrand is the only server that I know of that has such superior coverage in one specific timezone that they are able to tick at 600+ ppt. Everyone else, may just graze 350 in certain timezones.

style.6173:

In TC it has been pretty empty the last 4 weeks or so. Not sure how we are still doing so well. I think it is really a complement to the hardcore WvW guilds there because we shouldn’t be in many fights right now

It could be due to the new Wurm event.

I know BG has been hit hard because of the Wurm event. When you see over 150+ users in a channel dedicated for the Wurm event, half of those users being from prominent WvW guilds….well you get what I am trying to say.

Khayoss.2019:

When a matchup simply cannot be won because there is a server that can tick 500+ for at least 4 hours of every day while your server has no more than a handful of players running around desperately trying to flip a camp or two to not be completely zeroed out, what is left but to play for fights and bags? What good is strategy? What good is tactics? Other than making a “we’re better than you” video to post in the matchup thread they simply don’t matter. So show up to engage on the battlefield and prove your metal – aka playing for fights bags.

If that is the case than either that server or your server is in the wrong tier. And if you are talking about Dragonbrand (and I know you are) than you should be able to roflstomp them in all other timezones except for Oceanic.

If they can beat you 3 out of 4 timezones than once again either you or them are in the wrong tier.

zoombi.1498:

DivineBeing.2086:

LetoII.3782:

Typhus.3502:

Fiiiights. PPT is about the objectives, and honestly half the fights we get are at objectives. We regularly port back to defend towers and keeps (guaranteed fights) , because it beats running around till you happen to find something, so in that sense we do our part for the ppt. With that said though, the score hasn’t mattered to me for weeks, all I look for in WvW these days are good fights with my guild. Let me emphasize the fights part, bags and rewards are irrelevant.

But with so many congregated on a single server that care about ppt, maybe there might be a lack of people to play against?
Maybe there should be a tier 0 where folks can just pick a door to stand over for the week and get awarded a finisher to stomp mobs with?

Lol, the hate is strong in this one.

Can anyone guess why RET ran away from tier 1? Lets just say I cannot remember a time that RET wiped a guild….

Carry on though.

has baggate ever managed to win an open field fight where they didn’t outnumber the opposition by two or three times their number? ever? that’s y u stacked up so hardcore lol

And have you ever even faced or been on BG? If you did you would know the answer.

Hint: You can’t win without fighting. And you can’t win without capping. No matter how hard people try to emphasize capping = win.

LetoII.3782:

Typhus.3502:

Fiiiights. PPT is about the objectives, and honestly half the fights we get are at objectives. We regularly port back to defend towers and keeps (guaranteed fights) , because it beats running around till you happen to find something, so in that sense we do our part for the ppt. With that said though, the score hasn’t mattered to me for weeks, all I look for in WvW these days are good fights with my guild. Let me emphasize the fights part, bags and rewards are irrelevant.

But with so many congregated on a single server that care about ppt, maybe there might be a lack of people to play against?
Maybe there should be a tier 0 where folks can just pick a door to stand over for the week and get awarded a finisher to stomp mobs with?

Lol, the hate is strong in this one.

Can anyone guess why RET ran away from tier 1? Lets just say I cannot remember a time that RET wiped a guild….

Carry on though.

PPT.

From what I have seen is a server only starts to play “for fights only” when they are so badly beaten they don’t even want to try.

I think every server has commanders that have that for fights mentality. I miss the days when you were considered a bad commander for heading to the opposite side of the map to follow orange swords when you don’t even own the keep on your side of the map. Or when you see both server fighting in one corner of the map but not capitalize on it by capping stuff on the other side of the map.

You know, forcing the home bl server to fight 2v1.

However, you get a bunch of whiney servers getting beat so bad they start “playing for fights only” and scurtinize those who don’t (even though they are playing the game as intended). Thus promotes this “too cool for PPT” group because there will always be more losing servers than winning.

geist.3980:

Muramasa.6487:

This would be funny if it was BG and they lost bc of it.

bg doesn’t need siege. they can pve a door down faster than what most lower tier servers can place 3 rams.

Haha, this is actually true. There are times where a tower is so sieged up that rams placex would only get like 5 shots off before being destroyed. This forces us to “beast the gate.”

And besides, BG has their own troll problems. We got plenty of tag watchers from JQ and SoR, so what do our trolls do? Run a commander tag while following our guilds trying to run tagless.

It is pretty pathetic but it happens.

Um, try being in tier 1. 100% chance of fighting the exact same match up….lol.

Out of the three keeps on a BL, I always thought hills was the most sound.

Honestly, I don’t like how bay was designed. Thank God they fixed it so you can no longer treb from Garrison to hit bays outer wall. That use to bother the crap outta me lol.

Send FC up to tier 1 please.

In fact, BG vs GoM + AR + FC.

Phlogus.2371:

OK I have to say I just love the idea of a 1 hour invasion war.

Haha, same here. I have been reading that in different threads and that sounds like a blast!

Likes:
-Taking structures and objectives
-Large scale fights
-PPT system

Dislikes:
-GvG (seriously, get this crap out of WvW)
-Play for fights mentality (make it so this type of play is scorned due to it extremely hurting the server)
-Extremely stale match ups (mix it up, but NOT so extreme where it creates a roflstomp week).

Preacher.9018:

The only problem i have is lack of Dragonite in WvW. The only half viable way is capturing Stonemist and its situational and still hundred times slower than doing it in pve. Just allow to buy dragonite and ascended mats for badges.

This.

Dragonite is such a problem it isn’t even funny. I have so much empyreal and blood bricks to create multiple gear sets. I barely scoured enougu dragonite ore to make 1x Ascended piece so far.

Yea, in my entire time being in tier 1-3, I have only seen 1x hacker. And that was over a year ago.

Since then, none.

I am pretty concerned about WvW to be honest.

The way you guys are describing WvW in your lower tiers is an eye opener :o.

Its always funny to read this thread. Reverance who is actually on BG and speaking the absolute truth VS others who are either on JQ or SoR thus they would never ever admit they are losing on equal footing at certain timezones, along with random people who have never even faced BG but believe the crap JQ and SoR spew on the forums.

It really is amusing.

I would help you Rev but honestly there isn’t anything I can say that you haven’t already brought up.

Btw, Chris BG does not hold its ground during EU. Check the last few days around 12 to 5 server time. Today specifically we lost everything but EB and was ticking at around 100 ppt.

We lose our home garrison on a daily basis during that timezone too.

Carry on….

Blackgate isn’t always full. You can easily find a slot open during non-NA timezones during weekdays.

Good luck.

Dayra.7405:

Since June 2013 there is a random roll involved in match-making.
Every server rolls a dice (a double between + 1 and -1).
It’s actual rating R is modified (since lêage, it was higher before) for matchmaking MR:
MR = R + rand(-1,+1)*(0.45 * Deviation +10)
With current deviations this is a modifier of around + /-80

That makes sense as to why tier 1 switches colors but none of the servers drop a tier. They would need to increase that modifier from +- 80 to +-160 to make that happen.

@Liquid I am back now though lol. I am in OnS.

Thanks everyone!

As my topic states, how did FA and EB get placed in their current tier?

If you look at their CURRENT (not predicted) rating FA is still ranked 5th (tier 2). How did that even happen?

If that is honestly legitly happening then send TC up to tier 1 to replace SoR.

This may sound like a qq post but I am genuinely curious on how that even happened because FA and EB are just roflstomping their new tiers, which according to their current rank/rating it shouldn’t have even happened.

Handin.4032:

gebrechen.5643:

A good solution for this problem would be perma bans for trolls.

The best way to do that is they actually had GMs that would come inside the game to the zone and look for themselves

This game seriously does need game masters.

That is really crazy and needs to be dealt with.

Sadly though, this post will probably just further encourage their behavior since they are getting recognition.

Very interesting idea.

However, I can see how taking tier 3 keeps would be near impossible with it. Example, server lays down 3x acs and a treb per door, also taking into account mortars, cannons, and oil. That would be ridiculous.

Maybe a maximum of 3x guards defending each gate or wall?

It would really have to be thoroughly tested.

BG actually has a calculator that will calculate how much time it takes with X number of siege to take down a wall or gate. It is pretty nifty lol.

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Reverence.6915:

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

But in the end it still can be seen as IRON’s morale going poof without wrex (although admittedly I know nothing about ATM/IRON’s problems, so I don’t really want to go to deep about this.), except the poster divine something is really a tool for pretending that anyone can easily lead a group of people.

To be able to rally people you needed to be online daily and play 3-4 hours without fail, but many players in the game are casual based and lead a couple of hours before they retire. Not only that, it’s expensive to keep on providing siege if you’re a PUG player. To that extent, you must go beyond “I like killing things for a few hours”, but clean out rosters in guild, rally people every day at prime time 8 pm sharp, dedicate yourself to just command day in day out, recruit more players daily, maybe do guild missions, etc, etc.

There’s quite a bit of responsibility into creating a guild, and even requires a mentality that just goes beyond “casual gaming”, but semi-serious to hardcore. You think “manning up” is simple? Think again.

Whoa! Who said anything about taking over leadership over guilds. I NEVER said that.

I said, man up and pin up.

You think BG isn’t in the same boat for their Oceanic timezone? MERC was our main coverage in that timezone until JQ stole them. After half of them realized that JQ sucks, half transferred back, but in the end they were never the same 40 man force they used to be.

So what does BG do now? Exactly what I am telling you to do. A RANDOM pug puts up their commander tag and rallies a bunch of other RANDOM pugs every night. Your force may be small at first, but after a while people will learn when you command and your force will grow.

Oh, and you want to know a little secret? JQ hasn’t lost any force, in fact, unlike BG and now SoR they have had guilds transfer instead of leaving….

I find it funny when you don’t understand anything.

1) Pinning up doesn’t get you players. Might as well tell SOR that they need to find Pins because I saw their waypointed keeps get taken in EB during EU timing. They simply don’t have players who play WvW and it’s a ghost city.

2) That is funny, because I remember the remade BG Merc getting rolled every single day. You lost waypoints over and over when Tarkus was in JQ commanding.

3) ATM = 40+ men guild. Waha went away, and I don’t really see them fielding anymore. Could be wrong though, since I’m always at EB every day to fight the BG LP/ SOR NYS + AT zerg map hopping around.

Your points have nothing to do with the discussion.

Are you even reading my posts? BG has a commander who tags up and rallies a bunch of PUGS. JQ can do the exact same thing. Contrary to what you want to believe JQ and BGs populations are very similar. BG just has people who step up when they are needed.

And why do you keep bringing SoR into this discussion? Their server situation is ENTIRELY different than JQs or BGs. They’re currently going through a exodus of their main WvW guilds.

I don’t see JQ losing any guilds, in fact they are the ones taking 1x of SoRs guilds and then some.

LoneWolfie.1852:

Reverence.6915:

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

But in the end it still can be seen as IRON’s morale going poof without wrex (although admittedly I know nothing about ATM/IRON’s problems, so I don’t really want to go to deep about this.), except the poster divine something is really a tool for pretending that anyone can easily lead a group of people.

To be able to rally people you needed to be online daily and play 3-4 hours without fail, but many players in the game are casual based and lead a couple of hours before they retire. Not only that, it’s expensive to keep on providing siege if you’re a PUG player. To that extent, you must go beyond “I like killing things for a few hours”, but clean out rosters in guild, rally people every day at prime time 8 pm sharp, dedicate yourself to just command day in day out, recruit more players daily, maybe do guild missions, etc, etc.

There’s quite a bit of responsibility into creating a guild, and even requires a mentality that just goes beyond “casual gaming”, but semi-serious to hardcore. You think “manning up” is simple? Think again.

Whoa! Who said anything about taking over leadership over guilds. I NEVER said that.

I said, man up and pin up.

You think BG isn’t in the same boat for their Oceanic timezone? MERC was our main coverage in that timezone until JQ stole them. After half of them realized that JQ sucks, half transferred back, but in the end they were never the same 40 man force they used to be.

So what does BG do now? Exactly what I am telling you to do. A RANDOM pug puts up their commander tag and rallies a bunch of other RANDOM pugs every night. Your force may be small at first, but after a while people will learn when you command and your force will grow.

Oh, and you want to know a little secret? JQ hasn’t lost any force, in fact, unlike BG and now SoR they have had guilds transfer instead of leaving….

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

nirvana.8245:

All these BG players and guilds talking about how bad it is on BG, but they never leave.

Who’s saying it is bad? I am reading quite the contrary.

BG is a blast to be on lol.

jojojoon.8607:

I went ahead and pulled up the stats from http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/. Ummm, I seriously don’t get it. Why is it showing BG with such a high score? It says that BG is ticking over 300 pts during SEA and then close to 400 pts in OCX and EU. That is clearly wrong. According to many of my BG servermates, we are clearly outnumbered in multiple time zones, so it is impossible to be scoring this much points across the day. Ticking close to 400 pts is nearly impossible unless you clearly have a numbers advantage which we don’t. We don’t even queue all the boderlands during EU time.

Anyone know how we can contact the owner of the MOS website to have them fix this? It must be a bug in their website.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/

It is trolls like this that really skew the perception of BG. Let’s work on your reading comprehension, shall we?

Reverence.6915:

NA – JQ=BG=SoR
OCE – JQ > BG = SoR (This timezone is really hard to rank, since it’s a weird zone with NA staying up late and SEA logging on early. We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map.

“We really have no Oceanic guild though, but enough pugs to make up for it as long as there’s a pin on the map.”

Let me state it again, AS LONG AS THERE’S A PIN ON THE MAP.

1x more time. AS LONG AS THERE’S A PIN ON THE MAP.

Catch that yet? NO OCEANIC GUILD. I hope you got that now….

Now the next one…

Reverence.6915:

SEA – JQ = BG > SoR (JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well. With JQ getting a new influx of Chinese players, however, the balance is tilting back in their favour during this time zone)

“JQ had more numbers, but with Waha quitting, many stopped playing WvW as well.”

Let’s repeat that and even rephrase it for clarity sake shall we?

JQ HAS MORE NUMBERS BUT with Waha quitting their numbers stopped showing up. They STILL have the numbers, but they stopped showing up.

And one last time to make sure you fully grasped it.

JQ HAS MORE NUMBERS BUT with Waha quitting their numbers stopped showing up. They STILL have the numbers, but they stopped showing up.

Thanks for reading.

Mochann.5298:

Well sorry! Guess you need to clean up after the BG troll then.

But seems you don’t understand the feeling of fighting against hopeless odds. If you’ve been with BG since release, that means you have never seen how its like on other servers at rock bottom, right?

You admit you have a numbers advantage, even if it “that big.” That alone is already a big deal, when you are on a server that can’t even field 50 men on a single map, and are fighting multiple 60 men Zergs, it’s not just a matter of losing some towers and keeps.

I’m sorry if I trivialized your efforts, but at the same time there’s a level of difficulty down here at the bottom that you probably don’t understand. That’s fine through; some day I’d like to transfer over just to see what it’s like, but too invested in my server at the moment to do so.

I have been on BG since release and what people seem to forget is BG wasn’t always #1. BG has been in the position where all of your stuff get’s flipped to paper overnight and the enemy ticks at 400+ ppt. BG has been in the position where we have had mass exodus not once, not even twice, but three times! I have been on BG when we were massively outmanned during those mass exodus times.

Majority of the WvW hardcore players on BG have been on BG since day 1. Those core people are the ones you can count on. BG is a family.

So, in short, yes BG has faced outmanned oppositions before, even now there are times where SoR or JQ are running around in a map zerg and we only have 30 people on our commander tag.

Mochann.5298:

I know people who want to transfer to Blackgate. I think they are fools, for the reasons the TC mentioned, and then some.

I mean, map completion? Seriously? You can do wvw maps easy even on Bottom tier servers, I know I did.

You can guest to Bg if ever you are lonely in pve on your own server; it was actually harder to finish malchor’s leap than it was to do Eternal Battlegrounds, thankfully guesting saved the day.

Wvw is also more fun when you’re not from an overwhelming advantage. Fun is when you are fighting a challenge, not when you are winning by face rolling. That’s amusing, but only for a little while, then it gets boring.

And yeah, queues? Never heard of ’em.

BG doesn’t have that big of an advantage population wise though. I don’t feel like typing why but if you have been on BG since release you would know the truth, not the exaggerated truth throw around by SoR and JQ. Btw, those two servers are still getting guild transfers….ANYWAYS.

My point is BG doesn’t “faceroll” all the time. We get wiped and towers/keeps, and we have to fight just like every other server.

Queues? What queue? You mean that one really popular BL that we are doing really well in with fights? Longest queue time =20 minutes. Most of the time 5 minutes. EB? No clue I don’t like EB at all.

It just amazes me the misperceptions players can get from posts like yours who don’t even know, except from what you heard either by another post, another uninformed player, or a baddie and troll on BG that nobody likes.

TyPin.9860:

Most players in WvW are zerglings. If you meet them allone, they are no challange. Zerglings only become a danger in numbers.

If you compare 5v1 (what is common in dungeons, one boss 5 players^^), then of course it is no challange

Read what ColdTart stated, he speaks the truth.

A lot of guild raid groups have their members run a specific build meant to synergize with a TEAM. So yea, your build made specifically for 1v1’s is going to wreck that guy lol.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Maybe you need to take that excellent guild into EBG sometime,

Too point out a few things, I don’t know what your being told as the rumors fly all the time when it comes to T1, but if you knew SoR at all, its that we don’t give up, but we do not play for PPT ( there is no reward for coming first week in week out, other than bragging rights ) we fight for the kills, I would rather tick at 100PPT and get 1000 kills a night in WvW than tick at 400PPT and get 100 kills.

Tonight in EBG for 4 hours we watched BG zergs as big as our own run away, I hear it all the time that apparently SoR runs from fights, yet ive never seen it, ( could be my timezone ) but im sure as hell going to start running fraps,

If you happen to be in a rare BG guild that fights, then bravo, I hope you can bring more of them out to fight instead of pressing 1 against that door.

I gotta ask, do you only play on EBG? I ask that because it is the complete opposite on borderland maps.

As a guild member of OnS we NEVER play on EBG as a guild. So I only play on borderland maps where we spent 95% of fights chasing SoR/JQ zergs as they run away to nowhere. Seriously.

For example, tonight SoR had choo/tw/lun (or whatever) vs OnS and HB on JQ BL. The entire night we would wipe their zerg and end up chasing the rest of their zerg across the map. Their half-zerg would start splitting off hoping we would chase their split offs.

I keep reading what you’re posting but I have NEVER experienced that lol. It has always been BG doing the chasing….

Yes, please add some variety in the match ups. A lot of you are over exaggerating. The leagues were honestly badly imbalanced at times, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way.

Zikory.6871:

Burl.9567:

DivineBeing.2086:

SoR = One huge mega blob (50-60) floating between maps during NA timezone. This forces BGs guild on the map they are on to band together and pincering SoRs megablob. After SoRs megablob wipes, it floats to a different BL.

You couldn’t be more wrong. We don’t have a 60 man float group that hops BLs at a whim. I’d love to know what guilds you think participate in this “60 man float group” that you claim we have.

Don’t be so defensive, you know everyone in T1 can’t count…Also these large float teams happen on all servers through out different time zones. SoR has ran some huge float teams but so has JQ and BG…

That’s just it though. The only guild that I see consistently tag up is Icoa.

All other guilds on BG run tagless and are guild raids. Even LP in SEA runs tagless a lot.

And all honesty, the SoR mega blob that floats isn’t one guild at all. It is literally the map zerg with a bunch of random guild tags.

It usually forms up around EU timezone slot on weekends and as it hits NA it floats way way less.

I am not QQ. I am on BG so really there isn’t anything for me to QQ about. I am just telling it from my perspective and what I have experienced playing WvW 12 hours a day Saturday and Sunday every other weekend.

During the week it is a bit different, minus floating.

I have to agree with the OP.

From just a fellow zergling perception, SoR forms the biggest blobs. They don’t form a lot of blobs, just one mega huge blob that floats between maps.

I am not talking 20 to 30. I am talking 50 to 60, easily. When you reach such a critical mass it doesn’t matter how coordinated and synergized your guild raid is, you are forced to team with your other guilds on the same map to deal with that one.

JQ honestly just has good coverage. They are not a threat in the open field at all. You see a 40 man JQ blob, just keep going because they will all drop most likely. If they don’t, they honestly survived because of numbers. I know that sounds like a cop out, but JQs open field tactic is literally split up and spread out. That tactic seriously only works if you out number your enemy, otherwise it is easy pickings for equal size groups.

TL;DR
SoR = One huge mega blob (50-60) floating between maps during NA timezone. This forces BGs guild on the map they are on to band together and pincering SoRs megablob. After SoRs megablob wipes, it floats to a different BL.
JQ = All coverage. Their blobs melt pretty easily unless they outnumber you extremely. Their coverage pretty much makes their server float instead of sink. Every tower you attack always has defenders in it, thus making it hard for 5 to 10 man teams to take during off hours.

Queues? What queues? You mean the occassional 5 minute queue for BG? Or the usual reset night queue? Exactly….

That is T1 NA in a nutshell.

Anyone find it interesting that you can sell a legendary on the TP but not ascended?

Seriously?

How does that even make sense?

Wow? What servers are you guys on?

On Blackgate there always seems to be a zerg PVE train on a lot of maps, not to mention you see plenty of people walking around in random areas.

Morphman.6312:

DivineBeing.2086:

If you’re a necromancer not in the front line than you’re doing it wrong.

Deathshroud alone requires you to be the enemies face.

It really doesn’t- unless you have a healing build with that tranfusion trait and deathly invigoration then there is absolutely no need for a necro to be front line.

Also if you’re frontline you dont have a good overview of the battlefield so you’re well and mark placements will be crap as hell and if you lose stability and get stunned/ immobilized by an enemy frontline, you’re done basically.

If you get immobilized as a front liner than your guild needs to rethink their compositions, both class and party. And if you did get immobilized in the frontline than consider yourself dead regardless of what class you play because the other zero just wiped you.

Warhorn 3, 4, 5, plague, death shroud 4, and 5 all require you to be in the enemies face. Wells and marks are even easier to place as a front liner because you’re closer to your enemies stack up, all those boons get even easier to transform into conditions because they are grouped up. If you are a backline then the enemy would already be moved out and split up by the time you reach them.

Peetee.9406:

As an ele, you’re going to stand in the back and drop meteor showers + support fields
As a necro, you’re going to stand in the back and drop wells + marks

Do you want pretty red + blue graphics or dreary green + black graphics?
That’s the ultimate question.

If you’re a necromancer not in the front line than you’re doing it wrong.

Deathshroud alone requires you to be the enemies face.

Sirendor.1394:

DivineBeing.2086:

Sirendor.1394:

Reverence.6915:

The zerg meta will form naturally in any large scale pvp mode. Regardless of mechanics.

You forgot body blocking. Body blocking really hinders zerging cause you can’t bump through eachother and attack 1 guy with 20.

Everyone switches to their range weapon….

You were saying?

No line of sight, because bodies are blocking the way… your point?

No line of sight? Seriously? As if we don’t already have enough line of sight issues when there is a twig standing in front of you…. :/

Sirendor.1394:

Reverence.6915:

The zerg meta will form naturally in any large scale pvp mode. Regardless of mechanics.

You forgot body blocking. Body blocking really hinders zerging cause you can’t bump through eachother and attack 1 guy with 20.

Everyone switches to their range weapon….

You were saying?

Necromancer is more a frontliner to be honest. Besides marks and wells, all of the other skills require the necromancer to be in their face.

Elementalist is a complete backliner/aoe class.

Akio.1749:

DivineBeing.2086:

To me, I am not a fan of GvG. I have been a part of them before and have watched several.

They are just extremely boring. There is something exciting about planning, organizing, and executing a keep take over. Knowing the enemy will show up any minute out of nowhere to try to keep it. It requires both guilds to think on their feet through the use of their environment AND their players.

Whereas a GvG is two blobs running into each other than running in circles slowly dying off. Get back up and do it again. Yay?

To me, there is something exciting in designing a group composition, theory crafting builds for optimal group synergy, and then getting the group to function in a coordinated manner. Then comes the actual fight where all that hard work gets put to the test. Did your group get split by a well placed enemy CC? Are there thieves wreaking your backline? What is the status of your team? The enemy? In short, it’s dishonest to simplify gvg as you did.

Seiging is fun (it can incorporate those elements above and offers more variety) until it turns to PvD. Then it reeeally sucks. On the other hand, GvG always delivers a challenging and unique fight.

Everything you stated for GvG applies for WvW.

Guilds form class specific builds for group synergy for open field fights.

Only thing GvG does is take away elements from the battle. Environment, surprise, and world strategy elements are removed.

Everything else is accomplished in WvW battles, plus a lot more.

The only thing GvG accomplishes is even numbered fights. And saving time from running back from spawn for getting wiped.

To me, I am not a fan of GvG. I have been a part of them before and have watched several.

They are just extremely boring. There is something exciting about planning, organizing, and executing a keep take over. Knowing the enemy will show up any minute out of nowhere to try to keep it. It requires both guilds to think on their feet through the use of their environment AND their players.

Whereas a GvG is two blobs running into each other than running in circles slowly dying off. Get back up and do it again. Yay?