Guild Wars 2

salluks.6017:

Rayya.2591:

Kelo.4370:

As far as best guild/server I wonder who would win between Vizunah Square and Jade Quarry right now I bet it would be an awesome week of WvW. Both server have been T1 forever.

Jade quary got better coverage then vizunah, they would win cause numbers.
In term of strategy, peak only ,jade quary would lose vs few Eu servers.

i dont think Jade quarry would win, cos VS will use every trick, legal and illegal to WIN,
that is why everybody who fights them, hates them.

and even astonishing is, they are a single timezone server, unlike NA servers.

Very much disagree.

WvW is all about coverage. If you were on NA than you would understand how stacked JQ really is. They have ZERO coverage gaps. All BL’s have queues practically in all time zones.

VZ may be able to kill JQ in their primetime but that means absolutely nothing when JQ can night cap it for 12 hours at 400+ ppt.

covenn.7165:

DivineBeing.2086:

Please note the tier 2 thread where TC lacks even more coverage than SoR ever did. Look at how civil that thread is.

Our thread with TC and SBI was quite civil too. In fact most of you could probably learn a lesson from it.

I am curious about one thing though …..why are you posting here when you play on BG? Ok, I am not really curious, I know why.

Oh! Oh! You mean the thread match up where you guys were completely obliterating a server and a dead server, and comparing that to the other match up threads where cover..age….was an iss..ue…and you….lost…oh nevermine I won’t bring that up.

Enjoy the match up guys!

Orikx.9671:

DivineBeing.2086:

Wow, I wonder which posts are completely bias’d?

“Started with chest thumping from a particular server that pvdoor’d uncontestedly for 16 hours”…

The truth is, SoR is extremely prideful (extremely) of their NA coverage and believe they should be in tier 1. BG’s SEA coverage completely obliterated SoR which made it impossible for SoR to move up.

That is the truth. Now, who started the forum wars is really up in the air andhonestly does not matter.

Please don’t take the bait SoR.

Please state if I am lying about the fact BG used your coverage gap to their advantage. Please do.

Please state if I am lying that SoR isn’t prideful about their NA coverage. Please do.

Please note the tier 2 thread where TC lacks even more coverage than SoR ever did. Look at how civil that thread is.

Now please note this thread.

If you note the above you can answer your own question. There is a love hate relationship between SoR and BG. Just leave it alone.

Wow, I wonder which posts are completely bias’d?

“Started with chest thumping from a particular server that pvdoor’d uncontestedly for 16 hours”…

The truth is, SoR is extremely prideful (extremely) of their NA coverage and believe they should be in tier 1. BG’s SEA coverage completely obliterated SoR which made it impossible for SoR to move up.

That is the truth. Now, who started the forum wars is really up in the air andhonestly does not matter.

Qid.1937:

I would be excited too if I was transferring to a winning server. ohwait.

Reads post….looks at the tier we are in and how its not tier 1….

Don’t take the bait….just keep moving on….

Miiaah.5416:

Score update incoming

oh man…..looking at all those exclamation points on your screen is like messing with my ocd :x.

Vodka.3958:

Neuromancer.2148:

Perhaps Blackgate can lead by example and show how we conduct gentlemanly warfare.

We went against SoR for 11 weeks and tried to be civil with them but it’s impossible to say the least -_- especially since we beat them 11 times in a row; there is no getting passed a grudge of that magnitude…

Just rise above and ignore any derogatory comments made by them.

Tier 1 offers better coverage fights than tier 2, same as tier 2 offers better fights than tier 3.

ND would have better fights in tier 1 than tier 2. I understand Kaineng has a good oceanic crew but JQ probably trumps that.

Neuromancer.2148:

We ought to get the new transferees to sign a contract, expressly stating that they will Keep It Classy.

There is actually an unwritten code of conducts amoung the BG guilds. The guild leaders will voice that during their meetings.

Waage.2047:

Noooo i want to stay. I mean this is nice and pleasant i like it here. Tier 1 is a horrible place where one is unhappy.

I say join some one else so i can stay.

The extra guilds will alleviate some of the pressure of other guilds have to log in on a daily basis.

Trust me, as long as we (BG) stay classy, we can keep the tread in a positive spin at all times.

neomccoy.2657:

Yes, grats BG for getting new guilds. Please win tier 1 and wait for us there! (hopefully :P)

Thanks! I have no doubt that Kaineng will move up to tier 1 sooner or later.

Guys the system will balance itself out again and the fights will be equal once more.

I am sure BG will rise to tier 1. I am truly psyched about it because we are getting guilds to fill our coverage gaps to really compete with JQ.

Will we at BG miss TC and Kaineng? Sure, but this isn’t good bye but merely see you later. As I am sure we will see you guys eventually down the road.

I really hope that you guys are happy for us and will cheer us on in tier 1 to bring down the tyrant JQ (not meaning to offend you JQ, take it as a compliment).

I welcome the new guild transfers with open arms! <3

kevinskyrider.3271:

Score update
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Yes! Go BG! Pull ahead guys! Keep the pressure on.

Hmm, is BG taking a break today?

We will see how tomorrow turns out.

Score update please.

Kaineng ahead of us in PPT :O! That just isn’t going to do….

Lol, on a more serious note. Show of hands of who is glad they are nNOT in tier 1 right now? JQ is eating the other two servers and spitting them out like they’re nothing. They are sitting at 500+ ppt, IN TIER 1! Just ouch.

Score update please. I want to see how BG’s SEA crew is doing.

Boring score update, but a score update nonetheless.

Enjoy.

Next time this skill lag happens I will be frapsing it.

Btw, I only notice skill lag when there is some HUGE HUGE scale battle occcuring on that map. Example being all three servers in the SM lords room. That will cause the entire map to lag even when you’re not by it.

Tajz.9826:

KainengVsBGVsTC Thai Alliance Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKIGFQYCYRI

Enjoy! Please subscribe if u like

Btw, that was an AWESOME video! I have really been wanting to run with you guys and this video may have just persuaded me even more. One of these days I will get up extra early so I can tag along with you.

Great video! And great team work!

Score update.

Tuluum.9638:

I have been running into this issue as well.

Many times, my skills will essentially queue up, then all activate one right after the other 5-10 seconds later. This usually results in death.

Yours queue up? I would like that at least lol.

As of right now, my skills don’t even register they have been pushed. I sit there rapidly hitting mist form 20+ times to just be obliterated because it never fires.

Jayne.9251:

Cimmric.7623:

Ok the post about Kain floundering was un-necessary. BTW being 800 points behind after only 6 hours since reset isn’t floundering.

Shhh he’s not even from any of the servers playing. Just let the nice lad find a cozy bridge to hang out under.

This. You guys got some haters from other servers. It’s best to ignore them and eventually they will get bored and move on.

BG has had haters of there own <3.

Score update.

Muahahahahhhaahaha! And so it begins….

Beware what lies behind the gate….

Wow! Coverage issues? Good gravy, I was pretty happy about SoR holding their ground so well too.

JQ is still top dog it seems though. Nice work guys.

Kranky.8231:

DivineBeing.2086:

I am not entirely sure on tier 4 and down, but the top 3 tiers seem pretty accurate honestly. I would switch FA and TC though.

Why?

Sorry, not February 8th, but more like March 1st.

I am not entirely sure on tier 4 and down, but the top 3 tiers seem pretty accurate honestly. I would switch FA and TC though.

kerona.3465:

You’re missing the point that these guys DO NOT REACT. We can’t take them head on, obviously, but a flank or any sort of moving to the side and they just run back and forth auto attacking ahead. This is not zerg busting.

Notice how NONE of them take any damage, and if they do it gets healed. If they receive a condition, boom its gone.

How does that happen? You stay on your commander AT ALL TIMES. You DO NOT run off EVER, EVER, EVER.

WM is just running a similar tactic, maybe not the same builds, but similar.

Ruin.3461:

If you guys need mithril and elder wood logs… you could just ask me. I’m forced to craft my mithril ingots into stuff just to save space.

WHAT!!!!!!!?!??!

Disturbance….somewhere…..there is a disturbance…I feel it…

SnakeDoc.8416:

I am not sure what everyone wants to hear from Kain players. you guys want an apology? Do you guys believe that the servers coverage and techniques are all by coincidence? Is it a true belief that if we run in a team of more than 10 people we must really be terrible? I do not why people are so bothered by our game play. Should we let the other servers dictate the way we play the game? tell us “that not the way we do it” so there for you guys are bad. If you need to hear it, here it is… I like my guild, i like the way we run, sometimes we are good and sometimes not so good. Yes we wipe sometimes getting caught in a well played/timed anti-maneuver by the opposing teams. I don’t think that defines the server as being a bad server, but that or opponents actually have some tactics we yet to see. Coverage plays a small part of our success but is indeed a beautiful thing and i will not apologize for the hard work many of our players put in outside the game and dealing with the egos and politics that came with putting together a successful alliance. I dont have anything bad to say about you db and mags, its been fun you have some great players and fight really well. But the animosity towards some of the guilds that transferred is unjustified (for the most part) for how quickly we forget the server transfers built Dragon Brand and Maguma on their way to the top. As i started form darkhaven i know how quickly a prospering server can quickly be broken. Most of us have seen our tough times in WvW on a dieing server so we came together with a common goal to start from the bottom T8 and build a community with Kaineng and make a home for us WVW players because the ones we all came from became broken. The more we fight together the stronger our alliance grows and we get better every week. So if your waiting for us to fall and split you will be waiting a while, because we have decided this is where we want to be and we didn’t just happen by coincidence.

Well said. I just wish you split that thing up into paragraphs.

Hackuuna.4085:

Reset night is during North American prime time. Whoever comes away on that night with the top score has fielded a better NA team. If all servers involved have queues then the server that comes away with the top score at the end of that night has played the best on that night. There is absolutely no denying that.

I deleted that post for a reason. It’s just not worth arguing with you people.

The original point was you CANNOT judge a servers performance based on reset night. Once again, it is like playing the lotto. You get pugs filling slots that would normally go to organized guild members if it was any other night.

So a server wiping another server on reset night only means that server was able to field less pugs and more organized guild members. Congratulations.

The later in the week it is, the better the indication of the servers actual performance. Where each server fields less pugs and more of their dedicated and organized WvW guilds. THAT is when you can do the comparison. If Kaineng still outnumbers you then? Than sorry to say, Kaineng > your server, that is just the reality. Be a good sport, shake hands, and congratulate them. Don’t be the kid on the field that shakes the other teams hand and states “good job winning cheaters”, grow up.

wads.5730:

Hexin.5603:

Give it a rest already~ useless boring video. They don’t play solo 1v1 scramblers. This video actually shows (look at each player and follow one) … that they are following in a less than coordinated way (but far more coordinated that other guilds). Bots move like >> – >> not >> – ^> … in every battle they are moving a little off.

Looks identical to many EU guilds, in fact some EU move even better ~ you know ones that kick the living crap outta NA guilds in open field combat. Because they move as a solid unit, buff the hell out of each other always. Going to hate on them too? …or you have something against WM because they are better at movement than most of us. the video shows more real player movement than anything else imho.

“I ain’t get wat yer sayin’ …when your too lazy to use proper English to communicate your message.

regardless of whether or not they’re bots, their playstyle is easily countered. it’s not effective against (groups) of players that are good at pvp.

Lol, good luck with that. Guardians bring up stability for everyone, so you cannot knock them down at all. AOE heals are casted by the elementalist for full health at all times. And to top it off, 100% critical chance builds with food buff to steal life on critical for even higher chance at 100% health. Hammer warriors at front lines to knock your entire zerg on their butts while the rest of the warriors and AOE kitten your zerg.

That is just the icing on the cake btw. More tactics….much more tactics….

Look up the guild Red Guard while you sit there. Watch their 15 man zerg wipe 30+ man zergs.

Pvp skills….you have got to be kidding me….lol!

Invalid.8765:

DivineBeing.2086:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Why is Kain acting like “we dont field our better players on reset” is a valid reason to be bad when #s are equal?

I cannot speak for Dragonbrand. But Maguuma doesn’t field its best players either. People get suck in queues all the same as any other server.

EXACTLY! Reset night is a lotto really. That is exactly why reset night isn’t a good indication of how a server performs or how skilled it is.

Why? Because your dedicated, hardcore, WvW guilds/players can be stuck in the queues all night while your more casual alt leveling pugs filled the slots.

Passed the reset night and even more into the week days gives a much better indication of the server since you will be fielding the players that actually dedicate their time to WvW.

Thanks for help clarifying that up.

Refer to the above posts to understand how wrong you are, thinking WM did not try their hardest.

If you are saying Jang Gun and WM zergball are the “pugs to fill in the slots”, then I understand what you are saying. Jang Gun was on since reset and was still on 10+ hours after reset when I was going to sleep.

Oh snaps! ONE guild was capable of fielding some of their members! Proof that it was all of them? Doubt it.

Funny how people think that ONE guild carries a server. Wait until you get to higher tiers and let me know how ONE guild does for that server as a whole mmmk.

Sorry if this has been mentioned but don’t feel like reading three pages worth of posts.

You do realize your poll’s results will mean jack nothing wrong? You will iin fact see more votes for worst culling, why?

Lets ask this question, do people go to customer service or even call them to state how amazing their product/service was? Very few actually do.

How often do you tell that checker at the grocery store how good he is doing when you go there? Never right? But if he short changes you than I gurantee he will hear about that!

Point is, the people that benefit from this system ae not coming to the foruums to praise about it, thus giving this mispreception that the system is worse for everyone.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Why is Kain acting like “we dont field our better players on reset” is a valid reason to be bad when #s are equal?

I cannot speak for Dragonbrand. But Maguuma doesn’t field its best players either. People get suck in queues all the same as any other server.

EXACTLY! Reset night is a lotto really. That is exactly why reset night isn’t a good indication of how a server performs or how skilled it is.

Why? Because your dedicated, hardcore, WvW guilds/players can be stuck in the queues all night while your more casual alt leveling pugs filled the slots.

Passed the reset night and even more into the week days gives a much better indication of the server since you will be fielding the players that actually dedicate their time to WvW.

Thanks for help clarifying that up.

DisplayName.7802:

Totally not from SF :S.
Any tips to beat Kaineng?
Would appreciate lol.
Any weaknesses they have? :P

I won’t sugar coat, nor am I trying to offend you in any way. But looking at your servers Income Evolution throughout the match and the opponents you’re facing, you will get completely dominated by Kaineng. Completely.

Your server is facing tier 8 opponents with non existant around the clock coverage. And your server isn’t running a 695 PPT majority of the time.

I am sorry, but the rankings will even out eventually.

Score update please?

Flawed Victory.4321:

DivineBeing.2086:

That’s just it. We have improved. I am noticing some much better organization from ALL of the guilds. Many of them have started really learning from each other by creating specific roles and builds to compliment the entire zerg.

Here is the facts though. SoR was vsing TC and SBI. SBI is a dead server. So SoR, with there new and improved night crew, completely stomped TC (who has NO night crew) into the ground.

We are fighting FA and TC right now. TC did get some transfers but that’s not a big deal. The huge difference in this match up is that FA received 90% of the IoJ night crew, if not all of them. IoJ was ridiculous in the oceanic timezone. FA has always been pretty good in NA prime time, so adding a night crew makes them a force.

This means our night crew isn’t able to reach the 600 PPT it did last time we were matched up against SoR and TC (both didn’t have any night crews). And by the time we logged in, all our keeps, along with some enemy ones, were fully upgraded. So it was a matter of holding as much as you can.

I don’t agree with that. better organization? really? you lost your garrison, just. without anyone noticing i bet. it happened before, and it is still happening now.

Expecting us to never lose a tower/keep is unrealistic expectations, especially considering the dynamics of your opponents. We aren’t the only ones who can improve, other servers can too.

Anyways, you obviously have your mind completely set on this notion so any discussion to convince you otherwise is futile and a waste of time. So, this will end here.

Anyways, score update please? I like to keep track of the scores throughout the day to see how our crew is doing in each timezone.

Thanks!

Flawed Victory.4321:

PPT is not everything but it reflects how we are capable to perform better than before. I expected us to have some skill improvement after T1 like strategy, scouting, flipping camp, points before ticking, siege placement etc. I’ve seen JQ and SOS did perfectly on those I wish our commanders could do the same. I’ve seen us fighting in the same old way tried and tried and refused to do something fresh and eventually just switched map to avoid the zerg. This week, I don’t see anything new, not yet maybe but I am still hoping for.

It doesn’t matter if TC is stronger than before or FA is a more competitive opponent than SOR. If the other servers have advanced, why couldn’t BG? The idea is it should be parallel, at least. So TC and FA are stronger, that’s why we have smaller gap of ppt. But what if BG had moved up a few levels as well? Will it still be the same? just my two cents.

That’s just it. We have improved. I am noticing some much better organization from ALL of the guilds. Many of them have started really learning from each other by creating specific roles and builds to compliment the entire zerg.

Here is the facts though. SoR was vsing TC and SBI. SBI is a dead server. So SoR, with there new and improved night crew, completely stomped TC (who has NO night crew) into the ground.

We are fighting FA and TC right now. TC did get some transfers but that’s not a big deal. The huge difference in this match up is that FA received 90% of the IoJ night crew, if not all of them. IoJ was ridiculous in the oceanic timezone. FA has always been pretty good in NA prime time, so adding a night crew makes them a force.

This means our night crew isn’t able to reach the 600 PPT it did last time we were matched up against SoR and TC (both didn’t have any night crews). And by the time we logged in, all our keeps, along with some enemy ones, were fully upgraded. So it was a matter of holding as much as you can.

Jeknar.6184:

Blahblahblah, scores update:

That smile….just scares me :O.

Pinko.2076:

Brosef.7234:

All this “Kaineng’s NA guys are bad” stuff originates from reset night. We’ve won the last two NA primetimes.

Did it ever occur to you that mag/db non-reset primetimes are not equal to our reset primetime? Do you really think we push 4 queue maps every night? Do you understand what the defender’s advantage is in WvW? You’re being dishonest with yourself.

Um, you aren’t quite getting it.

He is saying that exactly about Kaineng.

Kaineng on reset night = a lot of pugs and very few organized guilds due to to the amount pugs that want to play on reset night.

After reset night = this is where it really matters as this is where you field your actual WvW guilds/teams and not so many pugs. This is where dedication from your NA primetime guilds shine.

Man, I have been watching Kaineng since they were rolling intier 8.

I honestly thought they would at least start to slow down in tier 3 ut they are still chugging along.

This makes me wonder even more how Kaineng would fair up to BG.

Go Kaineng Go!!!!

Oozo.7856:

The classes are not balanced for 1v1s. A properly built thief or elem never has to lose since they can get away to reset the fight, get out of combat, and heal to full against a class with less mobility.

The question is: Does that matter when it comes down to 5v5, 10v10, 20v20? Not really. All it means is that the elem and the thief have a better chance at getting away and surviving if their team loses the fight.

Ok, I am having a hard time deciphering if you’re agreeing with me or disagreeing with me. Lol.

I agree that classes shine more in certain situations. A D/D Elementalist does absolutely nothing for their team that is ramming the door at a tower/keep. Nor does he bring as much to the table at a choke point in a zerg vs zerg battle.

A hammer warrior, will shine in all of the above situations. But does that make hammer warriors OP? I would disagree.

Thiefs in the above situations still play an important part. You get a part of 5 thiefs ganking the enemy zerg from behind where all the glass cannon built range classes are, than you’re sure to wipe that zerg.

And in a 1v1 situation? They are all pretty balanced. I really don’t want to explain how each class can counter another class as that would be a 2-page essay. Can you just throw two classes that you think would stomp the other one?

Oozo.7856:

None of the classes are difficult to play on a fundamental level as long as you know how to properly bind your abilities. Would an elementalist be harder to play for someone who clicks all of their abilities. Yes, that would be much more difficult for a clicker. But, for someone with proper binds? No, sorry.

But that is completely besides the point, since Dynnen was not talking about class balance.

It is exactly the point though. Everyones perception is “I have no problems against X class, so they must suck”. When in reality, it is usually the person playing the class that isn’t too well.

For example, thiefs are suppose to be OP. Go to the elemental forums and look at the amount of crying they do about it. Does that mean Thiefs are better than an Elementalist? Not at all. They just do not know how to counter them.

What does a typical FTW thief do? They are running towards you, and BOOM teleport behind you and try to get a “Backstab” on you. What should you do? Literally, just stand there with your elementalist in Lightning attunement and your finger on the #3 key. As soon as you see them disappear, you hit #3. That thief is now stunned. Bye bye thief. You updraft, hes on his back. You switch to fire, burning speed over him, drop a ring of fire, and a fireblast in his face. As he is about to get up and run way, you switch to earth, you earthquake him back down intot he ground. You magnetic grasp him to keep him in place, and finally you do #2 earth for the finishing blow.

That cycle kills 95% of the thiefs I encounter.

Now, your next argument is….“well, well well,…. of course you killed him you were on a ele, duh”. Which makes me VERY tempted to post a video of a hammer warrior, rofl stomping TWO D/D ele’s AT THE SAME TIME! AND dominating other classes, completey solo.

So yes, it is about the skill of the user. The classes are in fact balance. The image of these “noob” classes are just skewed because of the amount of casual and carebear users that play them.

skinnyb.5920:

Disagree. As long as that zerg has condition removals you can’d do anything. My ele can remove 15 conditions in 6 seconds. Necros are useless against me.

Looks at signature, looks at d/d bunker build I am running. 3x Cantrips, water attunement switch, 5 water, and glyph of elemental…..oh no, now what? Cause all your skills are now on cool down. You just used your water attunement AND your healing skill in order to remove conditions. Guess what? That 5th necro just turned the boons you gained from switching attunements into conditions, bye bye life pool.

I know what can be used to removed conditions and the fact is that is a one trick poney. It may work vs 1, 2, maybe 3 necros. 5 necros that turn all your boons into conditions. Well…..let’s just say you’re a dead ele.

Not to mention there will be other classes in the zerg that cannot remove that amount of conditions. And the fact the necros will be using more than just the skill to turn your zergs boons into conditions.

Pendragon.8735:

Should be interesting to see what the February patch brings. Most likely more tweaking regarding sPVP and no thought to WvW.

On a recent chat, Anet bragged that all the classes are nearly evenly represented in the game, problem was they were talking about PvE. Where they did a pretty decent job. But its definitely not the case once you go into WvW or PvP, and they need to be asking why is that the case.

The players that impress me are usually ones not playing one of the ‘big three’.

Honestly, the classes are pretty balanced. I have even seen rangers that are ridiculously strong and that is usually the most complained about class.

Each class brings something to the table.

The reason why it seems like X class is better than Y class is because of how attractive Y class is to the casual or the “auto attack FTW” type of players.

I mean there is a reason why my coworkers at work picked a Ranger and a Guardian to play. They tried an Elementalist and a Mesmer, but didn’t like how it felt.

Let’s just say….they have a hard time operating the map too….if you know what I mean.

Oglaf.1074:

They’re not bad but are they able to have the same impact in WvW as Mesmers and Elementalists?

Hardly.

Disagree. 5 organized necros and wipe a 20 man zerg.

How about this….

The WvW cap for ALL servers is determined by = the total amount of players on all three BL’s + EB of the lowest WvW populated server. So I am guessing that is Erradon Terrace. If they have 45 people across all their BL’s + EB, than that means 45 people is everyones cap per BL.

This would force the population of servers to even out.

Pinko.2076:

Stopped watching when I counted 20 green dots.

Having two servers focusing you on your BL is literally how the game works, I think Kain is a bit fresh to WvW strategy if you don’t think that’s normal.

The week will play out with you winning from oceanic presence. No one is surprised by this. We put our egos in reset and it satisfied us. +320 ppt~

As he stated, he wasn’t complaining about his BL being hit by 2 servers. He was stating a valid fact that it is MUCH harder to defend your home BL from 2 fighting servers rather than attacking an enemy BL. And that is a very true statement indeed.

Also, being psyched that you reached 320 ppt on reset night? Cool. Impressive.

Meanwhile….the real challenge is endurance which is determined in the rest of the week….