Guild Wars 2

Looks like a P/D with some death blossum if you ask me. I hate how this build is becoming more popular. No longer can P/D condition be held a secret. Sooner or later every thief and their mother is going to be running P/D…I like it back when I was of the unique few running it

pot.6805:

Doomdesire.9365:

pot.6805:

Doomdesire.9365:

pot.6805:

Yes please make a super server. And when we still manage to win, then you can make a super duper server.

Your ego is astonishing. You’re making BG look bad because all you do is come on here and show your ego when I have never shown that kind of unwelcomness to BG/IOJ here. Never have I insulted BG as a server in anyway. You sure talk alot for being on the forums. Help your server out, don’t just take the credit, and please for the love of god people, have some respect for each other.

Have you actually went through my posting history and come to that conclusion? Where is this unwelcomeness you speak of? My response to super server talk was a sarcastic ribbing one, sorry if you were offended by it. But please spare me the psycho analysis.

The unwelcomeness is in many of your posts in this thread. There’s always the hint of “I’m superior to you blah blah blah”. If you can’t see it, you’re more egotistical than I thought. The kind of posts like that is why we have guilds calling each other out. You should read your posts before actually posting them.

Yet here again with more insults and psycho analysis. Yes I am the cause of all that is wrong in the forums. You’ve insulted me in 2 posts now, I haven’t insulted you. Is this your way of showing how much you care? I am telling Santa how naughty you’ve been.

There it is again. I give up. There’s no getting to you.

pot.6805:

Yes please make a super server. And when we still manage to win, then you can make a super duper server.

Your ego is astonishing. You’re making BG look bad because all you do is come on here and show your ego when I have never shown that kind of unwelcomness to BG/IOJ here. Never have I insulted BG as a server in anyway. You sure talk alot for being on the forums. Help your server out, don’t just take the credit, and please for the love of god people, have some respect for each other.

I, for one, would not like to see WvW become more number oriented. If you can’t match their numbers, kill them with superior firepower…

Needs more IOJ-SoR superserver talk.

I’d love to see a thief rifle so bad…

I don’t see the green arrow that indicates that’s he low level?

Someone point it out for me, I must be blind as there’s no indication here that he is below 80

Shadowlancer.7102:

Prices on this item is about to inflate very soon, people are going crazy being able to play most of the Zelda songs on all platforms.

Hahaha! If you have seen the guy in lions arch trying to play the rain song from Ocarina of Time, that would be me!

Come janthirians, you know you want to create a superserver.

Ohoni.6057:

See Thief stealth.
Count to 2 then dodge/block.
Stun Thief and apply all your burst/conditions.
See Thief stealth again.
If you see a little house AOE the house.
Wait for thief to reappear again far away half healed with all his conditions cleansed.
Bask in the glory of countering the thief.
Prepare to do again.

If you want to know how to KILL and DOWN a thief?
Than I don’t know.

Ask the people who kill me constantly in WvW. It seems to be a matter fo them dealing more damage to me than my fragile Thief frame can absorb. If you can’t kill Thieves in WvW then the problem is with you, because Thieves are dying left and right.

Honestly, 99% of those who QQ haven’t truly tried a backstab thief. They are amongst the worse, most inefficient thief builds out there, and is only used because all people see are high numbers and are drawn to it. There are much more deadly thief builds out there. All have a counter. Backstab is the easiest to counter.

Jefzor.7145:

We’re most likely going to get nerfed, like it or not.
Here’s some ideas to nerf thieves properly (I’m not suggesting they should all be implemented, they’re just some separate ideas, also, they’re based on WvW) :
-Remove damage from Mug and make it a knockdown/knockback instead.
-Put a cooldown on Cloak&Dagger
-Let Steal interrupt attacks that are in progress (like Cloack&Dagger)
-Lower the damage on heartseeker when hitting targets above 25% Hp.
-Increase revealed debuff to 5s duration.
-Add 2s revealed debuff when leaving stealth without attacking.
Fix culling, obviously.
-Increase clusterbomb initiative cost to 4, give it 50% extra projectile speed to compensate.

I hope any future nerfs will be coupled with buffs in other areas, to compensate.
I hope Arenanet will be careful with nerfs, thieves are currently very strong against new players and mediocre against experienced players.

IMO, CnD should remain the same if the other stealth changes are implemented.

Lets all leave our servers and join Kaimeng and dominate T1.

Was fun staying in durios for 20 minutes while I watched 15 clueless bg try to kill me

How about we actually fix culling issues before complaining? As it is that adds 1-2 seconds on thief stealth, and you all know it. So instead of jumping the bandwagon about nerfs how about we fix something that is literally broken that probably has the biggest effect on stealth?

Account.9832:

Doomdesire.9365:

TWMagimay.9057:

So, you buy an obvious gamble item and then complain about…the gambling?! How does that make any sense to anybody? If you want to find out “why ANet?” go to the store, buy a lottery ticket. When you don’t win anything, go and ask them why and tell them how unfair it is because you didn’t get your money worth.

I can earn a dollar in 2 minutes. It takes me too long for 100gems.

100 gems cost $1.25. By your own maths, it takes you 2.5 minutes to earn that.

I don’t use my credit card to buy things for a game. That’s silly. Whatever money I make is automatically added to savings.

MasterDeere.3417:

lower backstab dammage by 50% and add a effect like cripple or stun

Funny part is even if they nerf it 50% the really bad squishy players(practically the only ones complaining now) will still die

5K steal
5K cnd
6K backstab

Bunzy.8674:

Doomdesire.9365:

Guess you guys have never seen a proper D/D ele, bunker guardian, 30K hp warrior, 30K hp necro, shatter mesmer, or burst engineer.

Get some vitality and tank builds going. Glass cannon builds are not for WvW. Running a glass cannon build is asking for it. Learn to counter a thief. Countering backstab thieves is 100% L2P issue. There are other thief builds that are more deadly, and less prone to easy counters. Backstab thief is…horribly inefficient….

@bunzy

Mist form when he gets in range of steal. You will see him approaching you. If he’s in stealth and approaching you it screws up the entire chain with revealed. Then knock his kitten down with the electric charge elementalists have and kill. A thief like that undoubtedly has 10875 HP considering no boosts..

I can’t see him approaching he is invisible!
In fact because of culling he can get me down to 4k health before I even see him.

If you’ve seen 99% of the thief videos, and this is coming from myself as a FORMER backstab thief, thieves rarely approach people form behind in stealth. They just walk up, yet people have horrible situational awareness. Thieves don’t approach in stealth simply because it ruins their chain. If you attack in stealth your cnd will interrupt your stealth giving you revealed and not allowing backstab. You can approach in stealth, but you’d have to make an educated guess because you can’t control when you leave stealth, otherwise you get revealed. With backstab it’s all about timing.

People, you need to look behind yourself when alone in WvW. I’ve seen too many videos where a thief stalks a player for too long by just walking behind them.

Osaliske.4392:

Doomdesire.9365:

Guess you guys have never seen a proper D/D ele, bunker guardian, 30K hp warrior, 30K hp necro, shatter mesmer, or burst engineer.

Get some vitality and tank builds going. Glass cannon builds are not for WvW. Running a glass cannon build is asking for it. Learn to counter a thief. Countering backstab thieves is 100% L2P issue. There are other thief builds that are more deadly, and less prone to easy counters. Backstab thief is…horribly inefficient….

@bunzy

Mist form when he gets in range of steal. You will see him approaching you. If he’s in stealth and approaching you it screws up the entire chain with revealed. Then knock his kitten down with the electric charge elementalists have and kill. A thief like that undoubtedly has 10875 HP considering no boosts..

Question, so why are thieves the only class that is “allowed” to be able to use full zerker gear with little to no risk?
Why does everyone else have to use a tank build, and boost hp as high as possible, just to stand a chance versus a thief?
This is what I’m getting from your post, you must mean something a bit different I’m sure. Can’t say its a compelling argument. Pretty sure that not every class can burst 10875 hp in the time it takes them to pop shadow leap, or heal ability. At which point, fight is basically reset.

If you run a glass cannon your victims are players just like yourself. Glass cannon. Its a cesspit of dquishies trying to kill each other fast. Thief is not the only class. Have you seen a shatter mesmer? Ill show you one if you want. A glass cannon thief caught by a bull rush 100B or killshot, shatter, engi grenade burst, ele burst will die just as easily. Its all about who gets first shot. There just happens to be a lot more thieves. My point is that if you run ANY glass cannon build, you’re vulnerable to builds like your own, from any glass. First shot wins. There is no “fight” when glass cannons meet.

Braxxus.2904:

Doomdesire.9365:

bunker guardian

Can’t kill anyone

, 30K hp warrior

Can’t kill anyone. Only survives 2-3 seconds longer for it.

, 30K hp necro

Might kill you if you run without condi removal.
So basically he’ll kill the warriors

, shatter mesmer

Has it’s own issues that put it up there close to thief level for animosity from the playerbase

, or burst engineer.

Cannot reset fights, cannot escape fights. Do or die. The way it’s supposed to be for heavy burst.

So basically your argument is “can’t kill anyone”. This is based on what exactly? Do you want me to show you some bunker guardians I know that have kicked the royal kitten out of my 20K hp P/D thief? Heck, I’ll give you their name so you can 1v1 these “can’t kill anyone” bunkers and they will wipe the floor with you. Mentality like “bunkers can’t kill anyone” is why you people are getting killed by backstab thieves.

Your only logical argument is the one regarding engineer. The thief escapes much more easily than an engineer. That is the point of a thief. Engineer has it’s own pluses, especially in WvW against groups where a BS thief would get destroyed.

XII.9401:

Check it out: 21715 damage on a 1681 toughness/2032 hp from a thief in 2 seconds.

3 armor pieces vitality and 3 pieces toughness all exotics with 300 toughness from the defense line. No..quickness wasn’t up..didn’t get a chance to =D

Are we supposed to go all toughness /vitality to survive a 2 second burst? Not really..toughness won’t protect you from over the top damage -unless you can buff protection in time-.

I wouldn’t mind this damage if I could see someone coming instead of them blinking instantly towards me and being able to get away whenever they wanted.

Sheesh..I can’t imagine what the other classes have to do with their lower base toughness and vitality.

Pic attached.

Equip a shield. You’re welcome. It’s probably 100% likely that the damage received from that happened in quick sucession. Endure pain, or a shield would have blocked. Use a one handed hammer, and daze/knockdown, switch to greatsword, 100B. You’re welcome.

P.S 20K hp on a warrior is low.

Guess you guys have never seen a proper D/D ele, bunker guardian, 30K hp warrior, 30K hp necro, shatter mesmer, or burst engineer.

Get some vitality and tank builds going. Glass cannon builds are not for WvW. Running a glass cannon build is asking for it. Learn to counter a thief. Countering backstab thieves is 100% L2P issue. There are other thief builds that are more deadly, and less prone to easy counters. Backstab thief is…horribly inefficient….

@bunzy

Mist form when he gets in range of steal. You will see him approaching you. If he’s in stealth and approaching you it screws up the entire chain with revealed. Then knock his kitten down with the electric charge elementalists have and kill. A thief like that undoubtedly has 10875 HP considering no boosts..

I don’t like how I can never find some small battles anymore, especially against BG. 1v1 in the jumping puzzle? Nope. Next second, 1v10. 1v2 in the middle of nowhere? Nope. Get zerged.

What ever happened to letting two guys fight it out and not just “lol i call in my 50 teammates”

Looking for some 1v1s. PM me tomorrow afternoon PST.

IMO instead of the “flanking” it should be a melee ranged shadowstep behind, and then stab.

It feels like 33% still. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed?

TWMagimay.9057:

So, you buy an obvious gamble item and then complain about…the gambling?! How does that make any sense to anybody? If you want to find out “why ANet?” go to the store, buy a lottery ticket. When you don’t win anything, go and ask them why and tell them how unfair it is because you didn’t get your money worth.

I can earn a dollar in 2 minutes. It takes me too long for 100gems.

I don’t think that’s fair imo. I at least deserve something worth it. Why Anet? Feeling really disappointed…

I bought one off the gem store, 100gems. 2G wasted. I got
2 personalized wintersday gifts
2 reindeer tonics

Is that normal? It feels like I just got ripped off…

ensoriki.5789:

Edit: Can’t tell if working. Thought I moved faster, then realized I wasn’t wtf.

It indeed isn’t working.

SoR just got the worlds first breakout event.

It was pretty cool…you get 4K vit increase too

I roll with 3 other thieves using P/D. Very fun Usually the enemy only thinks it’s one of us, not 3. It was probably a lot more than you realize.

Prob because Rangers/necros are getting a 25% passive speed increase(I think eles too) sometime in the future, making signet of shadows obsolete against those classes. Let’s see how it plays out before we jump to conclusions.

Anet is making small changes. Small changes are always better than radical ones. Radical ones tend to throw off one part of the community. Adjusting a small tad at a time is an extremely intelligent thing to do. This isn’t the end of it, pistol changes will happen, just not on a radical scale. Small changes gives people time to adjust.

Props to anet

I know that D/D ele. Usually it’s two D/D eles, so I don’t bother. When I catch one of them alone I usually get them though. Fun times.

Elthuzar.9478:

I would trade my stealth in for Burning, Confusion, Retaliation, Protection, Stability on my weapon bars any day of the week. I love it when Elementalists complain about Thieves. If only you could buy a clue in the gem store.

IMO, D/D tank elementalists more or less are just as good as thieves. I also know of a guardian who can kick any thief’s kitten (I tried, could not get her under 80% HP, full P/D build Wild Bill style).

Tab targetting. I play a thief, but I still play against other thieves. Tab targetting is my best friend. After that, I would say try to apply some sort of condition to him such like poison or bleed. The numbers will appear before he does. The numbers render but he doesn’t. It still tells you his exact location though. This is almost foolproof unless they use hide in shadows(the healing skill), which cures both poison and bleed/burning. Also great for identifying mesmers. In fact, sometimes I think have any condition on you will give you a huge advantage over mesmers.

If stealth gets nerfed, signet of shadows better get buffed. If stealth stays the same. I won’t mind. Either give us stealth or give us superior mobility/evasion.

You can try beryl gear plus 100% chance of crit in stealth + all the healing a normal tank thief would have. But your main attack will only be backstab.

Fevess.7658:

LOL. So apparently in some SOR eyes, minority as it maybe, the only reason why BG is now winning is cause of finals in NA… Please enough with the excuses, and realize the fact that BG will continue to win in this bracket, finals or not. If I was SOR I would be more worried about IOJ out shining you again.

BG has better full time coverage. We don’t. Everytime an event of some sort takes place, we get hit harder. Thought that was common sense?

Dodging CnD isn’t that hard and it’s obvious. I have no trouble denying an enemy P/D user such as myself stealth ability because I know how to dodge CnD. It takes a thief to know how to beat a thief. Play the class, get familiar with it, then you’ll stand a bigger chance.

Raven Paradox.1860:

Doomdesire.9365:

Too much to handle for SoR. Most of our guys have been staying up late, and it’s finals week(at least here in NA, not to sure about EU/Oceanics), so the fact that we even got a lead shows that either SoR is made of a bunch of procrastinators who refuse to study, or we pulled off a miracle…

It’s not just finals week for SoR.

Special shoutout to everyone on BG that participated in the comeback. It was quite interesting going to bed the time I normally wake up.

It’s finals week everywhere. Difference is that I don’t believe Euros and Oceanics have finals this week as NA does. BG and IOJ both have heavy EU/Oceanic communites.

I second the ebonhawke daggers. Those are beautiful. Also checkout AC daggers. They look plain in the day, but glow at night. Corrupted Shard is pretty nice, as well.

Full carrion. Also, if you utilize stealth alot, the healing in stealth trait is invaluable.

Too much to handle for SoR. Most of our guys have been staying up late, and it’s finals week(at least here in NA, not to sure about EU/Oceanics), so the fact that we even got a lead shows that either SoR is made of a bunch of procrastinators who refuse to study, or we pulled off a miracle…

I remember reading a developer post where he specifically mentions thieves are supposed to be the slippery, swirmy ones you can never catch…I should dig it up. It’s a good read and is somewhat relevant.

The one thing I don’t understand is how people can’t counter a backstab thief. That’s by far, one of the easiest builds to counter if you know how to do it.

Guardian’s Aegis should help with the initial burst, then use “2” GS, when he enters stealth, do the pull, add some burning, do yo thing.

Warriors should pack endure pain against backstab thief. Absorb attacks, knockdown(preferably with two handed hammer), kill. People don’t realize how squishy backstab thieves are. I run P/D and 5 stacks of bleed is enough to destroy a backstab thief in seconds. These guys are running a little under 11K HP pools and almost zero toughness, remember that…

Using Tab will target 80% of the time despite culling issues. As a thief, I’ve also noticed ranger arrows will continue to target and hit me a second or two into stealth. Don’t stop firing!

Stiv.1820:

Put in 6x Ruby gems instead of runes.

^
This will give you more damage overall

So you want to up the revealed debuff to one minute? Do you realize how asinine that sounds? That’s more than enough to down a thief. I can’t believe people still have problems with backstab thieves. It’s so easily counterable it’s laughable for those who have still yet to figure it out. This is coming from someone who doesn’t use backstab.

Finishing and reviving in stealth is obvious. Don’t be fooled. Just because it’s invisible doesn’t make him invulnerable. If he goes stealth and the feet of a downed ally, guess what he’s doing? You could absolutely destroy him. See the health of a downed/defeated enemy slowly going up? Repeat the process. You make it sound so much more complicated as it is.

Hint: Immobilizations, blinds, daze, stuns, aoes, and most importantly, dodging CnD is a thief killer. CnD costs 5 initiative. If you see a P/D thief moving up close to melee range, he’s going to use CnD. Dodge, then boom, 5 ini down the drain. You can’t recover from that. CnD IS the main stealth skill of thieves. It’s a shame so many uninformed players have no clue about it.

Was messing around in spvp, my question – is there a way to make an “infinite dodge” build?

My tests in spvp were quite lulzy, I used 2X shortbows with 50% endurance gain sigils on switch along with the rune set that refills 50% upon healing, with traits that would allow vigor upon healing, and gain endurace everytime you dodge. I found that I could evade almost indefinitely. 2X dodges, switch, 2x dodge, healing, 2x dodge, SB “3” skill, switch, 2x dodge, signet of agility, 2X dodge, heal(withdraw, which is evade in itself with 15s CD), 2x dodge, ect. It would continue until eventually it hit a point where a small delay in endurance regeneration would give enemies enough time to daze and kill me. However, if I were to bring this build into WvW, where I could use foods..I could utilize the 50% faster endurance gain nourishment, then quite possibly make a build that’s sole purpose is to infinitely dodge and hold up supply camps.

Any thoughts on how to improve this “lulz” build?

He never said it had to be a right answer, just an answer :P

But yes, they should.(the traits, at least)