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Aside from the horrendous lag by ANET for the first 20 or 30mins, really bad. Oh the farmage was good. Even down to 17 guys in EB and enjoying the smush, great scrap at mendons punk/kale/etc.

Really hope morale doesn’t become an issue. Saw a few leave map after a wipe or 2 – that part made me miss the Vizunah endless supply of troops. Overall though a cracking reset, many good fights and lots of smush.

TUP available for GvG 15v15, 20v20.

Kind Regards TUP.

Well we came we saw we smushed in an action packed week. While I didn’t notice much in the way of roaming guilds from Vizu, there was hordes to fight. Enjoyable and a challenge. Unlike some other servers where when they send a zone after you and you wipe them a few times they quit, leading to a boring night, Vizu do not, or atleast if some do they are immediately replaced. Leading to crazy fights all night long.

A lot of people complain about zergs, blobs. No complaints when you are bringing action every raid. I want to fight you every week or every other week, a leader needs his beauty sleep. Lootbags and total kills aside, its the fun and action that I play for and you bring it.

Not everyguild has our mentality, not everyone likes to get blobbed. I say to my guys suck it up let’s do this.

You are certainly no relation to Riverside. You just watch this space, I will be rewarded with Riverside on Reset :P

The abuse and vile thrown by SFR trolls or not is kinda Ironic. I remember entering Tier2 with piken and all these so-called “top” guilds just handheld like bosses. 3, 20-30 guilds staying within 5ft of each other all the time was pretty hiliarious. Anytime they were by themselves they would melt in seconds.

So ye just keep it clean and keep the hypocrisy out of threads that don’t even include you.

Cheers to a good week.

All the best for reset, Kind Regards TUP

Cheers to VII for the GvG. Good experience and very nice to get a chance at an ally of more recent times. A old adversary of days gone by from Warhammer.

Now I want Piken Square next.

Good luck Vanz n co. May your next match be Riverside… I kid I kid

See you on the battlefield boyos

As was stated weeks ago, TUP will continue to GvG regardless. Try GvG’n a top guild without any of a class such as necro – it’s not cool :P But we did it, we went with who we had online. Went aswell or asbadly as one would expect when you just wizzy wig things last minute due to absences.

Hell our main GvG day is Thursday by which point my server could be many 1000s of points behind, thus quite a few % of HP potentially there – do we complain and/or bothered. Nope.

We GvG to challenge ourselves on a different level than just “how many” of a big zerg can you take.

The game is in it’s infancy. I’m not too fond of being pessimistic and knee jerk reactions. (That said it’s not a free pass to ANET to continue being kittenbags :-D) We are here for the longer term, future updates and developments could shorten that ofcourse, we aren’t sheep and certainly aren’t blind fanboyos. I remain optimistic of the way ahead.

Cya on the battlefield.

How about getting some WvW’rs involved in decisions as to the vision, the future of WvW. How about you TELL US, what your vision for WvW is. Are you afraid thakittens such a bad/kitten vision that is unwanted by the WvW guild communities all over that you are keeping it secret to milk the game for as long as you can?

Why can’t you tell us this vision?

I’m just watching some guildcast crap on twitch and it reminds me of listening to ANET devs. When they started talking about WvW, those PVERS knew nothing at all. Yet they are exactly the type of brainless, skill less scrubs that you “THINK” are your WvW player base.

Give up on Spvp – its badly done. Your true E-sport lies in your Guilds that do WvW competitively.

Again clashing with the horde, was fun. Was our last raid of the week (official) may or may not still have half a raid or so before the end of the week. Got our GvG with VII Thursday, other than that perhaps some late night defence again. Been a refreshing and fun week. No complaints about the action that’s for sure.

Haven’t really seen many independent guilds running, clashed with one from Kodash, once our rallybots died we pulled it back against superior numbers was really nice in the ruins.

Made a few waves of enemies give up the zone only for another, bigger wave to come back. My final 8 guys couldn’t hold garrison against the horde sent from hell. Was fun trying :P

Once again cheers GCK and co for action.

To all a good week, hope TUP left a dent in the endless supply of troops you got

Learn2read perhaps? Toughness and Armour do NOTHING to conditions. Its only been a year boyo, congrats for knowing the game…. lul

Depends on people’s definition of epic fights. We’ve had many Guild vs Zone battles this week, sometimes 100 is too much however when its 40-60 then another 20 join in later truly epic kitten. We’ve gone to Vizu BL Sunday/Monday, then returning to AG BL much later, the late night stuff defending AG is sick. Wiping whole zone with my guys and the assist of the friendlies a couple of times.

GCK look for us and I guess end up on the map we are on But they don’t start until much later in the evening, most guilds have called their raids by then. 3 times this week now I’ve taken the raid to 1:30am BST. As hell as long as their is action my guys are always fighting.

Some fights are just purely epic in many senses of the word, the beach down to a handful of players and against a horde of French getting stuck in and surviving for ages, even getting kills, by handful I do literally mean about 5

I know a lot of AG guilds, heck a lot of Kodash, seem to avoid Vizu BL, but they are just like anyone else. You threaten their beloved keeps and they will come.

Led an impromptu raid with around 15 guys or so at our peak, being an off night was a good turnout for such a late start.

Again went to AG BL fending off the dirty enemy hands off our Garrison. Had some really good fights against quite large hordes, fights around the NW camp fun and the fights either side of the sea gate of bay were cracking. Surviving and getting the odd kills in on the beach was fun. Hold the beach!

Hope Vizu enjoys us [TUP], it feels like bees on honey :P

If anything we are giving a good account of ourselves as a rank 13 server vs rank 1.

Fact is, the higher u go the less skilled foes you fight. Guilds handhold and PvDoor, guilds can’t get full raids in due to queues. They haven’t learnt to fight, running around in their big balls.

I now understand 2 things, one why RG and Sacrx left piken as 20 man and came back as 35+ and 2) how Sacrx got 250,000 kills really quick.

In 2 raids alone this week I’ve added nearly 2,000 kills – just wish I could fight the endless waves of vizu every week. That is not even with my full raid of 30+ but with 20-25 for the most part. I hope to get them again next week.

There are too many factors to just lump into one list for me. For bodies they bring to the fight, thus action for me to enjoy it would be an entirely different list to skilled opponents. There are 3 challenges for most guilds, one how many you can fight and enjoy (without lag) and give a solid account of yourselves. Second, roughly equal numbered skilled groups to lock horns with. Third how upgraded and scouted enemy keeps/towers are – thus preventing the farm mode.

There are about 8 or 9 servers I have no desire to fight again, as they are simply dead weeks and boring as hell, no action whatsoever.

I could get used to fighting Viz, although it would take its toll. 13hrs leading over last 2 days, while epic and intense I really need breaks for le food.

While the abbadon community 100 is by far and away the toughest 100 blob ingame, its unfortunate they don’t run it on all maps during primetime, its like a 25% chance of having a challenging fun night with them. Sure Viz have the zone blobs too, and some massive guilds, the benefit of Viz is they have good numbers on all 4 maps at the sametime – so you know there is action to be had, if you can work your angles right.

Throw me week in week out against Viz + Random other server and consider me a happy man. Viz to throw bodies and waves after waves at ya, while the other server to mix it up with good guild groups, would be great.

I think the problem with a lot of people is they still play the PPT game, and try to get their fun from trying to compete with a server with vastly more coverage. Not how I get my rocks off. So while a lot get burnt out fighting Viz, not me, don’t play that game, make them play yours. An endless battle. Hell raids only getting ended this week due to the need to feed, and sleep for the guys.

Hopefully if this continues on our Wednesday raid we get you again next week. I hope Viz have enjoyed clashing with TUP and other AG guilds, as much as TUP have enjoyed the action.

Add in, Ascended Back Piece, Ascended Amulet, Earrings (2), Rings (2) and Weapons. Soon in the works Armour. Then yes its a power creep in a game they said would be no grinding no power creep. Go figure.

So basically they have nothing in the works for GvG – and oh my guild halls and other guild activities are “a long way down the road”. Le Sigh.

The part where he says WvW is about you and your server. Not you with your guild fighting others – out of touch with competitive pvp.

Also he goes on about basically their spvp model when GvG was mentioned. kitten nubcake.

Very respectful of Viz to engage us in zone vs guild <3 as for “easy wipes” I won’t rise to your baiting. One thing I can guarantee when I lead is you wont get even an inch “easy”. As to outnumbering, I shall smile and say it will all be on future videos, as the fights win and lose were intense.

Just shy of the number of kills I got on Sundays raid. Once again did a 6.5hr raid, you just kept the bodies coming to fight. Although once my rag tag 20 ish had some nice team work with the 10+ of NP we got to chase French skirt all the way back to keeps, was good fun.

Note – to the commander than ran all the way back to sea gate garrison and got reinforced by respawners, you lucky lucky boy

After it became apparent your big force logged or switched map, a quick ninja attempt of Garrison wasn’t quick enough and didn’t have the manpower to take it. So we looked at AG BL seeing just one tower was ours… we came we saw we conquered. Really nice defence and fights of garrison on AG, shame the force left after 2 wipes though. Painted the town red, grabbed SM and had a crash/serious error, shame really would of gone and defended AG BL again. Ah well next time. 6.5hrs leading again is enough.

Thanks for the fights all, bring more next time :-D – you will see us again Wednesday.

Shout out to the AG friendlies and ofc to NP.

As a open field combat lover, we rate servers by the fun they can provide us. The dreaded matchup vs Riverside being the one end of the scale (don’t get me wrong on reset night boy they bring the fight and really really good reset nights against them – however during the rest of the week they never fight). On the other end of the scale is Augury Rock, constantly coming at us and fighting.

Win or lose doesn’t concern us (in battles or as a server score) just keep doing what you did yesterday against us, really really fun. You have an endless supply of people which gave us great action. That’s all as a guild/raid leader who loves to fight can ask for.

Keep it up.

No to stats and power creep. I remember words from ANET – there would be no grind, there would be no power creep.

Between ascended and soon ascended armour, the difference is getting bigger and bigger. Grind2win, rather than WvW being open to all (as they envisioned). Almost becoming like WAR, with RR gear destroying fresh 80s. It pretty much is already, the WXP, skill less, pvd karma farmers with their 400+ WXP ranks and like 10k kills have much more use in WvW – like draining supply with trebs, defending their precious points. While the guys with 200 wxp ranks and over 100k kills get penalised.

How bout some rewards for WvW kills.

Hey Lootbag, ye it feels like it at times, with Tier3 keeps everywhere, but there are fights and many fights to be had. We’ve had much experience at getting blood from a stone

Also I know for most guilds raids end around 10-11pm, but if you find yourselves able to go till 1-1:30am there is still action. Led a 6.5hr raid yesterday, was intense. Plenty of people to fight, with a smile and a band of brothers willing to back you up against the hordes it can be glorious.

Looking forward to more of the same.

Thanks for listening Viz. We got an awful lot of fights against the hordes, many guilds, too many to name, LNM? GCK to name just 2. At times it looked like it was going to be a boring night. With huge numbers hiding on walls and building ACs everywhere.

We got plenty of fights tonight though. Hope TUP gave a good representation of the AG spirit. On bad nights our raid might end (by bad I mean boring and inactive) after 2-3hrs. Typically raids of ours are 4-5, tonight though brought back old times. After 6.5hrs leading I decided to call the raid, low on number due to time and some of us need this thing called food

So thank you for the pm’s tonight we enjoyed the action immensely, I hope you enjoyed pitting yourselves against TUP.

Looking forward to more.

Whose having an E-War? I’m asking your guilds to GvG, I’m asking you to bring the fights this week and show me this amazing coverage includes primetime. I want your zergs, I want action win or lose. You seem to twist everything around.

Best servers of Europe? Come on… stop with the best =/= coverage nonsense. We’ll agree to disagree on that.

Don’t even bring spvp talk into WvW, spvp is a joke of a game. WvW the chance to take your guild out and fight xyz around any corner, the thrill of the fight.

Looking forward to my raid tonight. I’ve heard rumours your the granddaddy of Riverside, I hope they are incorrect and that you are the granddaddy of Abbadons. (References all will get if you’ve fought either server).

So ye bring the fight, E-war all you like, there is no E-war here. Just bring me the hordes of Vizunah. I want to see if you live upto Sacrx’s old name for you “Vizu Rats” (meaning you’re everywhere and hundreds of ya).

Let the loot flow for all.

If that is the case, give me 1500 hp, 150 toughness, 150 power, healing power, condition damage and around 7% crit chance (precision). It’s not as little as you think.

Again I ask you Mafius who are you, put your Tag in your signature. As for an apparent language barrier my son.

“you just hit and run”…. I’m not in WvW atm, neither is any from my guild, learn the definition of when I say “We want to fight you…” I don’t form the habit of speaking for others, but my guild wants as many French as you can muster.

We all know the truth is, ANET don’t realise what they have. Siege wars, flame mastery! treb mastery! golem? mastery! Oh ye exciting. Let’s bash empty keeps lads!

Oh hang on, you have this awesome innovative combat system in place, fluid combat, fast paced. That was a mistake forget about the awesome combat lads, grab your blueprints and lets go.

I still have yet to see a statement on what they see WvW as being.

TUP vs VII Thursday 20v20.

Have tried asking the guilds on Vizunah they are either too small (thanks RUN) or ignore pms when asking them about GvG. Hopeful they accept.

A few hundred?? I have 60 members in my guild, each are against stupid stat bonus for the coverage servers. I know of atleast a dozen EU guilds with rosters similar in size to mine. Just from who I know personally that’s several hundred for you, and that’s know well – not even talking of even 25% of the GvG EU community there either.

The problem lies with the fact that ANET in their fluke made a fcuking awesome roaming open field battles/skirmishes game. They don’t even realise it. The combat system they have is fluid and quite frankly very very good (when servers don’t lag). Yet they have this “VISION” for WvW…. which encourages, no promotes, zerging and karma training and FIGHT AVOIDANCE. WTF, WvW = Realm vs Realm = Player vs Player. Yet they promote WXP and run away fight an empty keep, map hop lads there is no defenders on other maps. WTF.

I see it every matchup guilds, zergs, die once or twice and leave map away from us. To go get their loot and precious PPT on another map.

Fighting should be encouraged and rewarded. For us fighting guilds, the reward is in the fun and thrill of the fight, we don’t need incentives. We need the easymoders to grow a set and not been enthralled by PPT – ALL HAIL PPT. YAWN

Who are you Mafius? Send me Vizunahs best Guild(s) I have openly challenged them to GvG, even contacted many ingame, either they do too small 10v10s or the bigger guilds wont fight us, ignored me when I asked them are they available for GvG.

Your zergs are like paper, just ask your guys what happened on reset Vizu BL. French Lootbags.

We don’t play for points by choice. We want to fight, we want you to actually be a challenge. Thing is your not. The biggest challenge for my guild this week will be running into our old friends VII.

If you send 40, 50, 60, 100 guys at me for my entire raids this week, non stop, I wont take a single tower off you. Sounds like a fair trade? You give me the fights I want, I let you keep your points.

TUP still looking for more GvGs 20v20 will drop to 15v15.

Yawn. Some ppl really don’t understand playing for fights it seems. Accusing others of hypocrisy? That’s pretty rich.

Just give us all you can tonight Vizu and tomoro and Wednesday. Show me why your number 1. Prove thakittens something other than coverage. I’m looking for a word, begins with S…. oh ye Skill.

There is more fight in lower tier servers, more skill too. Hope the rest of the week proves me wrong <3

I expect a no. Actually I expect no reply whatsoever. Avid WvW player and leader of a guild myself, I felt they should have the chance to publicise “open field combat”, hell they might even enjoy it. If he thinks firing strategically placed ACs is fun, he will have an adrenaline overloud with even numbers arranged fight.

It would give them a chance to see the popularity of it, if they advertised this, they would get a lot of viewers. Hell on our server when we had our last GvG we had around 40-60 of my own server spectating, not too mention the 2 enemy servers 15+ each, watching from the hill.

I am offering a olive branch here. Heck he’s been invited to our drinking warband before

All I await is a PM, if they then want to announce it much closer to any arranged date, I can keep it underwraps. Or if they want to confirm here would be great too.

Again a lot of people say “no way it will happen”, “no way they will accept”. Well you won’t know unless you try. We can drop to 10+ if 15+ is too much, ideally 15-20 though!

Guantlet is down. Let me know.

That’s the thing, no one can name any guild that does NO wvw, but does GvG. There are guilds that PvE and do no WvW, but I’ve never in EU seen any guild doing GvG that isn’t doing countless hours of “productive” WvW.

So an average guild, GvGs a top class guild. Tying up their members for over an hour, in that hour the guild could of killed hundreds of your realm mates and taken objectives. Yet they have been tied up for a GvG. Of which this average guild had no chance to stop them in open roaming.

I think a lot of you fail to realise how much guilds contribute by farming the crap out of enemy zergs, break their morale, defend objectives, when needed take objectives.

Maybe if people didn’t all cower together on the top servers like glory grabbers they wouldn’t have an issue with queues. Human nature to want the most for least effort. It seems the only servers/people with issues with GvG being “counterproductive” is people on servers with huge queues.

Should we all take votes at the end of a week, guild A wasn’t productive enough for our server, we should remove them. Guild B are dogkitten and are basically rallybots we should encourage them to move to a rival server.

Its a game, fun, not “efficiency levels”. I have regular Monday Madness raids, where we do stupid funny things, whether it be one race only nights, one class only, or naked earn armour pickups only raids. Or drinking warband nights…. Sure our “effectiveness” drops from our usual high standard but so what?? A game is meant to be played for – shock horror, FUN.

By refusing (idiotically) to have a toggle for the buff, for the lamest nonsensical reason ever. They are in effect removing FUN from a portion of the playerbase.

Who really gives a kitten about PPT and finishing first, yay my server night capped yours hahaha, YaY my server has more students, more unemployed than yours. YaY my server has thousands of players more than yours. If some people find that gratifying fine – whatever I’m not here to judge that.

Just a nice reason as to why we cant toggle it off to have a fair fight doing something we enjoy. It’s not a hard question, yet the answer will not come. They wont admit – “we cant stand you skilful players looking to test yourselves” — Hell Devon thinks skill is based on coverage for Christ sake.

On behalf of my guild The Unlikely Plan, I would like to cordially invite ANET WvW dev team to a 15 v 15 (ideally a 20 v 20) Guild Vs Dev Team, match. Date to be arranged, best of 9 Rounds, team deathmatch.

Take a week or two to practice and we can arrange a date and time to suit your needs. Hell you could stream it, really boost WvW following, show yourselves to be embracing open field combat on a even playing field. Arranged fights, call it what you need too.

I eagerly await your reply.

What is with people.. Healthy? Contribute?

This is a game fellas not a fricking job.

During the WvW raids, guilds might take a 5min kitten break or a coffee break. OMG they aren’t contributing, gtfo zone. You see how ridiculous your argument is?

What about all the pugs, commanders, guilds even that can’t hold their own? Or beat 3x their numbers… Should they just be shunned and thrown out as they aren’t contributing??

Who are we to say what is contribution and what isn’t.

The random guy doing his daily, acts as a scout and informs a zerg hunting guild of the enemy… That’s contribution.

The lonely guy escorting dolyaks… that’s contribution (in its own way)

The 20 Guildies Tying up 20 enemy in a gvg for 1 hour = 20 less enemies on map = Contributing.

Where as if that enemy guild of 20, plus a few spectators would be free to farm your zerg and take your keeps.

Explain this “counterproductive” thing. Explain how its not healthy? For a lot of people testing oneself to the full, challenging oneself is the pinnacle of gaming. After all farming zergs 2x 3x 4x your number gets rather dull after awhile.

Surely keeping guilds ingame for the long haul, the option to fight against each other, keeps their interest levels high, skill level high. Longterm health of the game.

On the other hand, kitten on the community, guilds become bored of farming zergs, guilds leave, becomes purely PvD. Where is the PvP element then?

I still have yet to see any names of guilds that do NO WvW and do GvGs. A nice long list would be nice.

TUP still looking for more GvGs 15v15, ideally 20v20. Has Vizu got any guilds up for a scrap??

GvG community lashing out? GvG community is being labelled and looked down upon. WE ARE “PART OF” (thanks for the heads up :P) THE WVW COMMUNITY. We are all WvW guilds 1st, do arranged GvGs 2nd. WvW guilds put 10s of hours in each week to WvW. Thousands and thousands of slaughtered foes a week, they may enjoy 1-4+ hours a week of GvG. So stop labelling “gvg community” and all the vile and hatred towards them.

My guild spends more per week on siege than any die hard true “WvW’r” as they like to think of themselves. My guild kills many many times more foes than these “WvW’rs” my guild earns many more points during their activities than … you get the point.

I know of NO guild in EU (don’t know about US scene) that does GvG and doesn’t do WvW. Each of these good strong guilds looking to challenge themselves in a fair even fight with each other are a boon to their respective communities. When pugs and commanders can’t handle enemy zergs, who looks for the fights, who comes back time and time again to fight the hordes, guilds.

What is so wrong with wanting the option to fight opponents on a level playing field?

I gladly walk into the jaws of death and take whatever WvW throws at us during our raids. Double or triple teaming guilds, huge zergs, bring it on. No complaints, but how about some simple love for the option to fight EVENLY with fellow guilds??

DevonCarver.5370:

No. That is not a possibility at this time. The point of the buff is to affect the WvW game mode as a whole disabling it on your character would lessen the value of the buff to a server and completely invalidate the whole point.

Devon, it’s become quite resoundingly clear that the WvW ANET team do NOT understand the jewel in their crown, that is WvW open combat. By hook or crook you guys actually made an amazing fast paced, free flowing combat system – that you ARENT even aware of.

Open field combat is frankly amazing (when your servers aren’t lacking like kitten). You do nothing but shun this type of gameplay, revolving every single aspect/update about siege wars. You are either blind to what you have or just plain ignorant, obsessed with your vision of the game, when in reality what you gave the players is far superior to what you intend do deliver. Yet you keep making mind boggling changes that hinder any sort of balance, making everything revolve around zerging and siege. Hell you call coverage SKILL << congratulations.

You really should watch some videos of guilds in action, I am not even suggesting GvG videos (you can’t even bring yourself to say it) I’m talking guilds taking on the masses. Rewarding skill and teamwork taking on superior numbers. Now though, you want to give the servers with the most coverage 150 to each stat.

Please Devon Clarify what “vision” what “insight” there is to rewarding skill less easy moders stacking on the top servers, running in their giant blobs with even more stat bonuses?

Or in English, how about a statement on what is your vision of WvW. Please say sitting on an AC is still one of the most exciting things you’ve ever done, please.

Yours sincerely, one avid WvW open field combat loving Guild Leader.

Why do people insist on separating the GvG and WvW aspect. EVERY gvg loving guild, does WvW and has done for the last year. It’s not like they don’t WvW folks. Sheesh.

If you think Zergs only exist in Tier 1-2 and sometimes 3. In EU you are sorely mistaken. My guild will always fight the zergs, zergs are all that is wrong with the game, they develop no skill level by running in zergs. If anything the quality of opponent is worse the higher the tier. The guild groups of mid tiers are a lot harder to fight than the huge zergs of higher tiers.

People in general like max reward for little effort, thus they will zerg, they will not improve and thus get farmed by guilds. Long may the circle of life continue.

PPT people need to get off their high horses though, most self respecting WvW guilds earn more points in the 4+ hours they raid each day without trying/obsessing over points – just a by-product of looking for fights, than they will do during the same day.

Agreed. kitten 15 letter body length.

^ that’s why. According to Devon, one of the most exciting things he’s done is sit on an AC in WvW.

Toggle click on / off buffs would be a (simple?) solution.

Wemil.7052:

Dranul.2094:

While I thank the WvW community for their interest in our matchup. Your sympathies and commiserations are undesired. TUP was disappointed in all honesty, simply smashed Vizu BL over and over again, not a great deal of fight or numbers at all. Was really hoping for 100man zergs to bash against.

Mental note: over reliance on ACs won’t help you in the long run. Now that I’ve played every French server, your on a par with Jade Sea, with Augury Rock by far the most die hard, combat orientated and my favourite, out of the French Servers.

So let’s find out if the rumours are true, the granddaddy of Riverside Style, or if you bring the fight more akin to abbadons blobbing.

o/ VII looking forward to our GvG <3

TUP also available for GvG Tuesday and later on Thursday. 15v15, Ideally 20v20.

Looking forward to a good week ahead.

I like this guy:)

here is the thing vizunah atm is ticking +375 hmm?

vizunah fight to win the matchup not to focus one or two hours they have the biggest 24/7 coverage.

when sfr pushed 2 weeks ago hard we had ppls playing almost double hours to win vizunah they can have many players slacking and still have 100 man blob on most maps.

done the same smashed through vizunah map painted it red blue and green tens of times everyday but they still get the points they still tick +500 when they see no ppls:)

respect to them.

and do remember this ladies and gentlemen of this matchup and other matchups.

most warriors don’t play reset because of Anet bad servers and the skill lag the real fight is Monday:) everything is decided that day.

Respect for fight avoidance and coverage? And caring about PPT?

You need to understand one thing about me, my guild, and most of the server i’m on. We care for fun, fights and challenges. Who gives a flying monkeys left nut about points per tick or coverage. I am merely hoping that due to their coverage they have a huge force to fight (during primetime) not at 2am +

Just hope they got something

Moon.6371:

Well, I didn`t say you were hundreds, Wam, but you did have the biggest army I saw between 20:00 and 22:00, no offense, just my impression. Didn`t see a lot of Vizunians during that time. But it could very well be that you just kept them occupied in the north.

I`m just one man, can`t be everywhere…

For sure, Reset for us at least is one of the main nights of WvW. The chance to fight a server (no kittenty upgrades) at full strength. Alas both Kodash and Viz disappointed with their numbers for such servers with a lot of coverage.

It seemed like Viz simply avoids prime time and the chance to square off against ppl who will be able to field even numbers. At least not until they’ve nightcapped with their 100 (atm on EB) and turned kitten into tier 3 to hide.

Kinda lacklustre reset, expected a far greater challenge from 2 high servers.

Hoping for a good show through the week though.

I hear all this gvg hardcore stuff. I know of no such guild that does gvg and NO wvw. Every guild that does gvgs regularly raids in wvw and has done for the last year. Whether it be 4hrs a day to 4hrs several days a week. These are the WvW guilds. Simply seeking to fight other guilds on an even playing field and testing themselves.

TUP will continue to gvg (scrim if opponent cares so much) when the orbs come in. Some you win some you lose, sometimes you’ll have the buff sometimes you wont. We are of the attitude that we fight with who we have online. No excuses, just play, enjoy and challenge yourself. The fact we fought GD with no necros online until the end, we simply will continue to enjoy ourselves and fight. I know a lot of guilds will cease doing gvgs as they afraid of rating changes, imbalances with orbs. My opinion is – its still even numbers and some days you’ll have the buff others you won’t – who cares.

On another note. YES! Got VII this week – a great challenge ahead.

VII vs TUP Thursday! woop woop

While I thank the WvW community for their interest in our matchup. Your sympathies and commiserations are undesired. TUP was disappointed in all honesty, simply smashed Vizu BL over and over again, not a great deal of fight or numbers at all. Was really hoping for 100man zergs to bash against.

Mental note: over reliance on ACs won’t help you in the long run. Now that I’ve played every French server, your on a par with Jade Sea, with Augury Rock by far the most die hard, combat orientated and my favourite, out of the French Servers.

So let’s find out if the rumours are true, the granddaddy of Riverside Style, or if you bring the fight more akin to abbadons blobbing.

o/ VII looking forward to our GvG <3

TUP also available for GvG Tuesday and later on Thursday. 15v15, Ideally 20v20.

Looking forward to a good week ahead.

Twinny.9304:

In addition, I’d like to thank all that I have fought this week had some great fights win or lose they have all been good fun. As TUP has said many times about them holding back if 1 guild is fighting another this is true I have witnessed this many times they are a good bunch. However they surprised me last night while we were fighting VcY at the side of QL, which was evenly “matched” cant say numbers because didnt have time to count, but certainly could have gone either way. We seen TUP and thought they would hold back, But VcY and TUP together this time = Dead PunK’s. Again as we all know this is WvW and dont blame them for doing it, we have shadowed other guilds many times. It just took some of us by suprise from witnessing them holding back in the past.

At least we are more causious in chasing little mesmer kite asurans in keeps from now

Thing is, we did hold back. We go in to mop up once its obvious our allies have lost the fight. Which in that example you had won, dead allies/downed allies and maybe 6 or so trying to regroup. I don’t wait for them all to get slaughtered At that point we dropped down and sorted it out.

Many many times in eb last night (hate eb, but fsp/ros had no force whatsoever anywhere else – so we went there for a change), we left people engaged 1-1, Kale V VcY, we watched, saw PunK try to add in, blocked you off and engaged. (near bravorst)

Good action in/around that keep of yours. Just a shame our friendlies couldn’t stop a single dolyak getting in. Seeing the gates go to full and walls go to fortified when we had you pinned inside, just plain facepalm moment and the inability of EB players.

I noticed the vale camp – although didn’t know it was xyz class only. I noticed you only sent half your boys in while the other half waited. So ye I knew that part was deliberate

Not sure if it was linked here or not but I found this thanks to a guildie of mine. Made me chuckle.

Questular.8359:

Kinda easy talking when you put out numbers like you do. Ow and maybe take a look at your server and the joint effort (about a zerg of 50/60) to take garri yesterday vs 25/30 AoA-ers

Last matchup vs you lot, my 18-22 guys had to deal with 43 AoA (on your comms) + pugs. Over and Over again, many victories many defeats. Was a glorious week. Although you didn’t seem to notice our warrior night and we fought you with our 12 (last matchup).

It’s WvW and its never a even balanced fight. Complaining about keep attacks is well, just plain dumb. If you had a force pressuring the enemy, they wouldn’t be left with trying to take your Garri – “Blobbing” – or coming together or offensive forces happens when people sit in the last keep. Every server does that, it can’t be helped. Whether it be Gandaras keep farming Jade Sea for ages and having HoB join in the fun, or whether it be Abbadons keep farming them for 90+mins with Dawn + co. kitten Happens.

Whether we are 15 or 30 most guilds on AG have the mentality of not needlessly adding into fights that involve guild vs equal number or guild vs enemy guild. Until obvious the help is needed. Why spoil allies fun, why spoil enemies fun.

Pugs are like wild dogs, uncontrollable and kudos to the commanders out there that try <3.

^^ Figured something like that would happen. Knew of rumours of people on EU looking to do similar (if true – that they are fake). Just a poor attempt at humour is all, if it be the case.

Vena.8436:

Dranul.2094:

They should have the decency to at least admit that this league system is to simply make money from gem sales, that they don’t care/understand about the health of w v w.

People can see right through you, customers know when they getting a bum deal.

You should have the decency not to talk out of your kitten .

Zzzzz.

Blind ANET fanboi?

What do you think will happen when they “reward” these “skilful” *cough 24/7 coverage servers…. mass exodus from servers: for example in NA, rank 7-12 to 13-15 so they get “rewarded”. It will happen, ANET is banking on it. In the hope that a lot pay for gems to xfer. Its a cash cow – and they will milk it.

But go back to putting your blinkers on, I love this game and potential don’t get me wrong, but get your nose out of their kitten and take a whiff – it’s not roses you smell.

If only they listen though. WVW specs, consumables, various sizes. 10, 15, 20, 25.

Not spvp specs!

They should have the decency to at least admit that this league system is to simply make money from gem sales, that they don’t care/understand about the health of w v w.

People can see right through you, customers know when they getting a bum deal.

DevonCarver.5370:

skeet.1390:

So do 4 leagues in NA. This eliminates the enormous population difference from server 1 to server 12 and 13 to 24.

If you really think the server that is ranked 12th at the start of this stands any chance against the top servers you are delusional.

I never said they did. However, I’d argue that they do in fact stand a chance against the 6th ranked server and the 5th ranked server. We are not trying to only ever match you up against your closest comparable server. That was what was happening with the system before and it was bad. If you are saying you don’t ever even want the chance to try and show your skill against a higher ranked server, then I don’t know what to say.

We will continue to look into ways to change scoring to try and even out some of the population based imbalances, but that is not an easy task and it won’t happen during the season.

Devon you use words like skill and such… It’s not skill. The higher tier servers are the least skilled of the lot. Most guilds handhold, zergs run as big as they can get. Their “skill” level is terrible.

Take Jade Sea was Rank 6 at the time, AG ranked 13. Farmed the living daylights out of them, easily the least skilled I’ve come across. Yet the server had NO chance of getting anywhere near their score due to COVERAGE. UW was ranked 19, their guilds/pugs/zergs were brave and although again we raked in countless kills, they made us work ALOT harder to do so. Yet due to COVERAGE UW had zero chance of getting anywhere near AGs score.

Don’t ever use the word skill please, it’s extremely twisted and warped and completely nonsense when determining if a server finishes first in a matchup.

I guess Americans have a different definition of “skill”?

For sure especially at keeps, it sometimes can not be helped. Reset was fine either running into kale, punk by themselves or together – we’ve lost track of how many times we’ve fought bigger numbers than that. As we @ TUP will always try to do our thing and never intentionally “blob” < bad word tbh, as it can be taken out of context. We accept our fate with whatever the borderland / matchup throws at us. Whether it be an entire 80-100 man blob the likes of which Abba and a few others can throw out. Or whether its 40-60 guys from 2 or more guilds, its all mashed in too what we know and expect from WvW. The only thing I think that “irks” guilds, is when you see a guild vs a guild (even fight) at least TUP has always allowed the allied guild their fun and have come to receive that in kind from allies.

Ofcourse tonight at one point, we let Fire fight Kale/RL/pugs, but it became apparent they were outnumbered over 2-1 and we stepped in once they pulled off. Fights fair or not are part and parcel of it. Do I expect enemy guilds to hold off and let people duke it out – no ofcourse not. Will I continue to let allies have their fun and hope for the same treatment, absolutely.

Really hope you guys get a more fitting matchup, while you may have plenty to fight, perhaps too much. We are really struggling to find action. Hopeful for Monday Madness raid to inject some lolz into our week.

May the patch be good and the reset kind to us all.