Mulitple Elite Specializations per Profession
in Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns
Posted by: Drarnor Kunoram.5180
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As for OP, burning itself is OP right now. It is double the strength of bleeding, yet there are professions that stack as much burning as others can stack bleeds.
Burning has Always been the most damaging condition in the game. Guardians don’t have access to ANY other conditions apart from runes and sigils. Darn straight we do a lot of burn damage
Would you be opposed to Burning getting nerfed baseline, then having Amplified Wrath improved to compensate? It would hit Guardians that don’t take Amplified Wrath, but if you were serious about using a condi build, you would have that trait anyway. In the meantime, it would have the desired effect of reducing the sheer power of burn stacking on top of a variety of conditions.
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Well it’s obvious that some people want their zerker characters to be meta and no one else. Those days are over, they aren’t coming back so I won’t even respond to those people.
I think the biggest problem isn’t with the overall damage numbers but for individual skills.
Lets take a sword warrior for example. They aren’t the most extreme example but they make a simple point.
They apply bleed primarily with sword. Their sword auto attack applies an 8 second bleed in an AOE, with a direct damage modifier of 0.6. This means a full sinister warrior is doing 140 damage with a bleed and an additional ~800 direct damage or 2000 damage with a crit. Why is the direct damage component so high? This is a condition weapon.
Look at necro, their primary bleed attack is scepter auto, which does a bleed to a single target (not AOE) with a base duration of 5s (as opposed to
on a slower auto attack with a direct component of 0.3. This means they are hitting for ~300-400 damage with crits of 900-1000. Less than half that of warrior, and with a weaker bleed.
Now take that and multiply it by 10x for classes like ele, engineer and guardian right now, who can stack up 10 stacks of Burning in addition to large hitting direct attacks.
Condition weapons need to have their direct damage DRASTICALLY reduced. A condition user should do damage through conditions, and a power user should do damage through direct attacks.
We are OP because right now you can do 100% power, 100% condition or 90% power PLUS 90% condition.
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I completely agree. Nerf certain skills, not conditions as a whole.
Currently Bleed is even underpowered, it got nerfed unless you have more than 2051 condition damage. It’s not Bleeds fault that you die so fast, it’s the fault of the direct damage component of certain skills that should be removed or at the very least scaled down.This i cannot agree with. You’re saying that some weapons must now be played in a mandatory way – conditions. I don’t think they will agree with this.
I think the primary way to fix this is to address the conditions themselves. Otherwise you’ll make weapons unusable unless condi or power.But that’s how weapons have always worked. You just never noticed until now because conditions sucked before.
No condition user in the game is using greatsword on warrior to play conditions. It is a POWER weapon. Similarly no power user should be using a sword, since it is a CONDITION weapon. It has always worked like this, the problem is that conditions aren’t worthless now, so no one noticed until now that some condition weapons do too much direct damage.
I mean if you want to argue that weapons shouldn’t be pigeonholed into power/conditions then please show me a viable power build on necro that uses scepter? or maybe a viable condition build on guardian that uses hammer? Every weapon has a role already, some of them just need to be balanced now.
If you just nerf conditions then you have solved nothing. You still have conditions weapons that do great direct damage and condition damage, and some condition weapons that do the same condition damage but no direct damage.
Weapons can still cater to both condition and power builds but individual skills shouldn’t. There is nothing wrong with having both condition and power skills on a weapon, but each skill should either be condition or power based, not both. Cos if you have both then … well we are currently experiencing the result.
Well, I actually think it’s probably fine for them to have both, they just need to balanced more carefully.
“Balancing more carefully” is pretty hard to do when the damage formulas you are forced to used are universal and don’t differ on a skill to skill basis.
Having power and condition damage work the same way for every skill may have sounded like a good idea back when they designed GW2, but it nonetheless was a mistake. Now they cannot simply change how effective power and condition damage is based on what skills they are currently looking at. They can’t make the bleed from a necros scepter do more damage cos the direct damage portion of the attack is so low. All they can do is to change how much base direct damage a skill does and how many stacks of a specific condition it applies. And this is, given that using a skill still needs to be fun and rewarding, is quite limiting.
Power is very easy to do per-skill adjustments with, since no skill has “base damage” for physical damage. Each skill has its own coefficient which determines how much damage it does based on your investment in Power.