Guild Wars 2

Or just slap an arrow cart down and AE it with that as well.

Kalan, are you having fun in WvW?

If you are, you are not grinding.

And you can easily keep your self level appropriate via the Trading Post, sell the materials you get if you arnt into crafting. When it comes to getting exos, just save your gold. While you attain gold on average at a slower rate in WvW, I purchased my entire exo set from gold earned in WvW in about 2 weeks time. (its probably now 4 weeks, due to ecto prices). IF you are supplementing part of your exo purchases with a badge purchase than the overall cost of your armor in gold will be lower.

Anyway its about having fun. And yes while you arnt 100% exo you will be at a disadvantage in 1v1 situations, which honestly are a bit rare unless you are looking for 1v1’s. Green armor is sufficient for anyone, although not ideal. The most important tasks in wvw, ferrying supply, operating seige are not gear dependant at all.

So stop paying attention to it, focus on doing things you have fun doing, and when you get the money/badges for the next piece of armor buy it then.

apples meet oranges.

GW2 is fine on release too, easily found other people running around with me, and I still do.

Do you as a person make any attempt at socializing? Or do you expect it to ‘just happen’. You probably feel lonely because you are making no real attempt to interact with other people.

Except people rarely party in GW1…
Like ever.

Its all heroes/hench now.

VGA is irrelevent, matter of fact gamers would be better served without such a backward thinking program that constantly reinforces negative gaming stereotypes. I could never watch more than 5 minutes of that program without the feeling of complete disgust.

Now if the VGA’s were actually put on in a respectable fasion then I would consider them legitamite. But for now as they stick to their misogynistic ways, I wish that they will stay irrelevent.

They have a 70 point gap to clear to move up, or ET has to go down another 70.

Which might not happen this week depending on what happens. They got 2 dead servers in T7, but they might have enough fight in them to hold off GoM.

this might be the last week we share with DR for a while.

*tear.

Ill miss you SoCo and RED, you guys stuck it through thick and thin over there and deserve the props.

Live Action Role Play

I liked how it was where it was a hassle to get someones account name to talk to them. Those people that were prone to raging had no easy way to contact you without manually obtaining and typing in your account name.

There are other ways to obtain account names though currently

LegoTechnic.5910:

Except it doesn’t, because you’re assuming they’re probably guilds or players that transferred in or jumped onto the bandwagon because others did. The idea that they’re largely PvE guild members or players who have been on the server for months and just decided to Wv3 a bit, or even players who just recently decided to get into Wv3 either didn’t occur to you, or you quickly dismissed it. You are making assumptions and running away with them, and that is bad form for an argument. In the case of the picture it is baseless conjecture as you don’t have the tiniest clue about any of those players; likely you can’t even identify any of them. So on what grounds can you conclusively state you know who they are? You honestly can’t even tell if the guild members of PRO shown were even the members that transferred or one of their new recruits from the server itself (they do, in fact, occasionally announce recruit messages in LA).

This is why your argument is stupid. You’re just saying whatever you want because it supports your case. It’s not unique to you and I don’t want to call you out (your opponents do largely the same exact thing), but you did respond and in an easily rebutted manner.

I have been in this matchup from the beginning, while yes DR has more of its native population going in wvw, you guys did benifit from a lot of transfers post PRO. There are posts in this forum to that effect, as well as information I got from a few of my DR contacts about the transfers they got specifically. Ive been on kaineng from its creation, so I know when things change.

You guys almost doubled your wvw force in a week after PRO came in, doubled it. It wasnt all native, and it wasnt all transfers, it was both, a bandwagon. I say the transfers post PRO ruined the matchup balance because the post PRO transfers made a choice to come into our matchup when it was unbalanced, and unbalanced it further. Thats my point. The native players that started to play wvw are irrelevent to that point entirely.

Let me phrase it so you can better understand.

The week before PRO came into the matchup DR was dead last, they were in reorg mode and they were just starting to figure out their strategy. PRO members came to this forum and asked in a thread which server was best to go to. I posted in that thread that I felt that DR could use the most help, as kaineng had gotten itself oriented with the help of several guilds. PRO is convinced by my arguement and joins DR. That week that they joined we had a very balanced matchup. Several Kaineng guilds were ‘taking a break to pve’ at the time but I felt overall we were balanced at this point.

If no transfers were to take place after that point, we would still be in a balanced matchup today, kaineng and dr would gain native players at rougly the same rates as they are roughly the same pve wise as well because both servers opened on the same day. However something started happening after DR started winning. Instead of guilds doing like PRO did when looking to come down into our tier asking how the balance was and where people were most needed, they simply transfered into DR. I could give examples of specific guilds, but I’d rather not get down to making callouts. So DR gets +10, +20, +30 etc population advantages slowly, and more importantly coverage advantage outside of asian and us prime. Slowly, their coverage advantage extended the entirty of US prime, and asian prime was based more on participation, if the other server didnt participate then they had asian prime coverage as well.

Then comes bandwagon time. Your winning, most people tolerate winning better than losing, your native players joining you in wvw are more likely to continue to participate in wvw for longer hours, we call these players ‘fair weather players’ as they will likely stop participating meaningfully when things get rough again. They are always there, we had some of them on kaineng that arnt playing anymore, you will find out who they are when things get rough for you. Its hard to pinpoint them before things get rough because usually they are the ones saying that they are ‘in it for the fights’ or ‘in it through thick and thin’ and other such nonsense before they jump ship suddenly for ‘reasons’.

You gained transfers, you gained native players, but the transfers caused your server to bandwagon. Thus transfers are to blame for the matchup becoming unbalanced. I like keeping rough track of who my enemy is, and where they are coming from and rough guild histories of the impact guilds on each server.

Dont get me wrong, I dont really care that you have more numbers, I will have fun like I always do. Even the days against Borlis Pass, or Northern Shiverpeaks we would make our own fun.

I did hear that it could take several hours for all the chests to go out. If you dont get it by tomorrow you should create a support ticket as gaile said.

scooby treat.8420:

Calos.1350:

Did all the Ferg and Kain excuses crash the server? Or will server going down be the next one? LOL JK

I will lose all respect for Anet if DR does not move up this week.

They wont move up this week, and its not anets fault either.

It took DR till wednesday to actually break fergs defense so they didnt get the point spread needed to go to T7.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Right now there is a ~60 point ratings difference between ET and DR, and they wont close it by reset. Which means we get one last week of this matchup before ET drops into T8.

LegoTechnic.5910:

Just to point out the obvious, this thread is becoming absolutely full of straw men arguments. There’s a lot of rationalizing according to assumption, and frankly it’s just silly. You’re seeing the situation one way because you feel justified with that view, and your opponents choose to interpret everything in a different manner because they feel it’s substantial.

As an experiment, look at the image Yermoh linked of the Dev attack on Garr. It’s just above here on this page a few posts up. Go ahead and look, and think about what you see.

Did you notice all the red names? Of course you did. But did you also see the incredibly diverse guild tags? You see a few mainstays like GASM and PRO, but do you normally associate all the other guild tags with Wv3 groups?

Now ask yourself what kind of conclusions you can draw from this. If the only thing you can come up with is a result that verifies your earlier conclusions and can’t justify another, less condescending point of view, then you’ve failed the thought experiment.

If you read my post, i was referencing the guilds and players that joined DR, after PRO. Which means the screenshot you are referencing reinforces my point, not invalidates it.

Really people? Always something to complain about…. Anet cant win, they should just fire the part of the player base that can never be satisfied.

Lots of bullkitten in there.

The only time DR doesnt have more general population in WvW is when SoS decides to play WvW, and that isnt every day.

Thats it. So following your logic, people should continue to transfer servers to a more winning server until everyone interested in wvw is on one server, which of course dominates all servers all the time.

No, I want fair and balanced matchups, not servers camping others into spawns. And you are encouraging the opposite. If kain and fergie dont have a strong force in wuvwuv right now they need more organization and more people. Not people encouraging others to jump ship. Your egocentric posts dont help any, and we would wish that you would stop making them.

We were pretty even, then after pro came in, even more guilds joined your bandwagon on DR, breaking the balance of the matchup. If the guilds coming into our matchup did a little research and saw where people were most needed and went to that server, instead of bandwagoning we would still of had a balanced matchup.

Well anet has also never said that the level cap wont be increased.

When that happens, that means a whole new level of gear to get.

Just throwing that out there.

Congradulations DR, you took Fergies entire BL.

I read the above post and spat my coke, in laughter.

Where were you last week laiboch. And the week before, and the week before that. Oh and the week before that. And the week before that one, and the week before that one.

Ahahahahahahahaha.

I am doing the legendary steps right now.

I have not grinded at all so far.

I also dont ever plan to grind on anything. It might take me 6 months, it might take me a year. But I dont really mind. Every mat I get, every ecto I get, is just one step closer to it being finished. I already have the Gift of Mastery, and the precursor.

If you guys choose to grind for it, its your choice. Sure grinding for it will make it take less time, but the payoff is its probably less fun.

Zizanzi.4678:

Oozo.7856:

Good fights, AAA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aM1wuqgzCk

I have to say that the cheating in this video game is getting horrid. As seen in this video and again today I saw yet another two people from Kaineng doing it in WvWvW. One from the guild Aris and another from SEER. Are they really that bad to have to cheat? Bejebus.

Stylii Elementalist (Staff)
Shoulda Rolled Kaineng (NoQQ) Leader

I do not recognize either of those guilds. Perhaps they are transfers trolling our tier?

The problem as I see it is Dev is overreacting when they need to react more smartly. When you took your main forces into your BL, you sacrficed not only part of EB, but lost all your holdings in Kains BL. Later you came back and hit us again, having to retake what we retook. Your removing all of your commanders when you make these shifts, instead of having 2 leave and 2 stay.

The major challenge for you guys is figuring out how to attack a fortified BL, while maintaining your holdings in other areas. If you guys can break ferg this week then I feel you will do well in T7, but if you cant, I worry you wont be anything but bottom T7 for a while.

The funny thing is you guys are so distracted by kains BL, and kain is currently irrelevent.

Ilesyt.7084:

Draygo.9473:

Sword/shield+greatsword. Second fastest build in the game out of any class, faster would be sword/warhorn+greatsword warrior, but you lose a lot of surviveability

No. just no.

I agree that warriors can be REALLY fast, but accounts for when they are NOT in combat, that allows you to swap weapons all the time and making use of the skill right when they get out of CD.
But a D/D ele will catch up/outrun a Sword+warhorn/GS warrior ANY time.

It’s true that when the warr is not in combat he might be able to catch up to the ele. But the moment he gets in combat the ele will outrun him even if you have like 3-4 guys with you unless they’re really smart and can get the ele with immobilize + other conditions to cover the immobilize (the other possibility being the ele sucks or is a glass cannon).

I play both warr and Ele but my ele is just faster.
There were only a handful of times when a warrior was able to outrun me and all of those was because the portal was right there or he ran back to the enemy zerg which was also very close.
Just 1 Warrior will never be able to catch me and kill me. NEVER.

The build focuses on catching you, killing you is up to my team.

Sword/Sheild+GS + SoR outruns D/D eles, we will be even faster when fast hands gets fixed, but even in its buggy state we can switch weapons fast enough to sword 2->gs3->gs5->bullsrush

Also in and out of combat the speed is the same as far as timing your abilities with weapon slots. Unless you are doing it wrong. I’m always back into sword set before sword #2 is off CD, while in combat.

When we catch you you have to contend with frost burst from sigil (swap for aoe freeze, 3 sec), bolas, hamstring, covered with auto (bleed), sword burst (immobilize), shield stun, and bulls rush stun and generally thats enough to slow an ele down to the point the rest of my team is going to be on top of you piling more cc and more conditions.

The neat thing about warrior sword 2 is that it ignores cripple entirely, its also just as fast in combat as it is out of combat, with a low cooldown, combined with mobile strikes its fine.

Generally if you arnt running GS your running sword. Sword 2 + bullsrush + permaswift is usually enough to get away. If you arnt running GS you are also slower than a D/D ele.

bradderzh.2378:

Mesmers are not quick… We have 2 ways to get swiftness, curtain and randomly from chaos storm. And to add to that curtain does not stack with any existing swiftness so we have to chuck down a chaos storm after curtain and run through it at such a speed we are lucky not to just get a couple ticks of retaliation.

Even when I run range increase and cool-down reductions on manipulation (for blink) I still find myself painfully slow…

Then again, as previously stated, we are op because we have portal so… Lol

Timewarp, mesmers have timewarp. The single most powerful elite in the game to have, you would be silly to run a 4 man without it. It pretty much lets you 4v10 and win, over any other skill the game. And its a 10 second wide area combofield.

Warriors dont need to carry GS. They only carry it if they dont have a perma-self swiftness. If your running warhorn/rage, you dont need a GS.

Condition removal every 10 seconds is pretty worthless, as often it wont remove cripple, chill, or immobilize.

As far as a necro is concerned we have to make sure our group provides the mobility needed to the necro (mesmer portal, or provided permaswift). Necros really really help win fights, with boon stripping, chill, and fear.

D/D’s eles have good CC, but their escapability has issues with imobilize. Warriors break immobilize with mobile strikes. D/D Eles also arnt quite as fast as warriors can be. But they are both top tier so i’m definatly not knocking on the ele here.

Ranger is just.

Also keep in mind that necro and guardian are about equal in mobility…

Warriors fit in.

We have 3 primary builds for roaming.

Initiatior: High mobility – surviveability, forces fights by getting on opponents even at long distances and survives long enough for the rest of us to get there. Sword/shield+greatsword. Second fastest build in the game out of any class, faster would be sword/warhorn+greatsword warrior, but you lose a lot of surviveability

Shout healer, axe warrior
Banner warrior are two other builds we use.

We also like utilizing a necro, well timed corrupt boon helps deal with bunkerstyle guaridans and DS theives.

I have seen engineers used to great effect. the amount of aoe cc they drop is great.

Ranger i think is the worst class for small group play, doesnt have too much utility that isnt outshone by another class. Their aoe root is handy however (especially for rooting invisible thieves), but longish cd.

Exactly, they zerg harder. The way DR’s zerg is behaving right now, leaving at the drop of a hat just because a tower is taken in DR’s home BL is going to cause huge damage. You guys are perfectly willing to give up 2-3 keeps to go retake a tower or two, instead of smartly dividing your force to keep the attack sustained, or at least make it so you guys dont lose ground while you retake things in your home BL.

Right now you are giving us an effective defensive option is to take like 4-8 people and take a tower in your home BL so we can get our keep back in our BL.

I dont want you guys to fail hard against AR. But right now from what I’m seeing your server do, I worry about it.

Unless you can actually manage to take the entirty of fergs bl this week, I think you are going to have a hard time against AR.

SpaceLord.4590:

Actually,

Last night after pushing FC out of our BL, we went to Ferg and began trying to take things.

We had taken most of the south and had begun trebbing Bay from the Briar. Then what do we see… Our whole southern BL had turned Blue. Nice. So of course we again had to abandon the FC attack, leave trebs and everything else, and head back to our BL.

Kain, for people that want DR to keep on Ferg you sure don’t act like it lol.

Ferg defends like a beast and upgrades just as hard. Even with our OVER 9000 CHARGIN MY LAZERRRRRRRRR zergs lol you guys crack me up.

Siege in FC takes a while, not wise to attack and pull us off of it if you actually do want us to attack them.

Good night though, tough fighting everywhere.

If you guys seiously cannot sustain an attack on a defended BL while defending another BL from a small force, you guys are going to get CRUSHED in T7…

Seriously, when a small group attacks something you dont need to send 150 people, abandoning all your holdings and trebs.

I kinda noticed it, when we or ferg would take something in your home BL you guys would just up and leave our or fergs bl. I was giggling about it.

When I was talking about the price of an ecto as far as material costs, I pulled values of the mats off the TP.

So when I said you can make money if ecto is above 29.9s, I wasnt pulling a random number out of my hat. You do also have to keep in mind the 15% the TP will take, which is why its level around 32s.

it simply cant go higher because its cheaper to make it via crafting (even if you buy all the mats off the TP) than to buy it via TP. There is also a second method that requires no crafting, but costs on average 26s per 1.25 ectos.

I’m glad I’m always with the zerg. I didnt know that.

Psychatog.8246:

Draygo.9473:

Seriously, unless you really want to be stuck with us next week, you DR folk have to put some effort into attacking fergs BL. I know you are scared of it, but you can easily take it any time you want if you put your forces to the task.

meh i rather have the extra landslide week, just so i can ruin your fun. why don’t you come out of your BL…last i checked losers take the walk. we don’t come to you bro.

Why anyone wants a landslide week is beyond me.

Landslides are very unfun for the team doing the landsliding.

I make my fun so I dont really care either way.

Seriously, unless you really want to be stuck with us next week, you DR folk have to put some effort into attacking fergs BL. I know you are scared of it, but you can easily take it any time you want if you put your forces to the task.

Thanks for letting me know. One of the patches left one of my friends unable to play with any decent fps, maybe its fixed now. ill let him know.

I see DR is good at kickin a bro when they are down. Shows a lot of class.

Go to fergs BL devs, or do you guys not like a real challenge?

Fergie is DARING you.

^ wrong

I get unresponsive jumps on a first jump when i havent jumped in a while.

you can get it once per 24 hours per character.

So if you opened that chest less than 24 hours ago on that alt you must wait before you can open it again.

usually for me its 1-2 hits depending on the build i’m running. Sometimes 3 if using a ranged weapon.

best solution is to build and man an arrow cart

No, thats not it.

You can make ecto for cheaper than it costs on the TP right now. So it hit a price ceiling.

It costs 29.9s in materials to make an ecto.
It costs 26s in green weapons into the MF to make an ecto.

These two factors are increasing supply, you can make serious money right now manufacturing ecto.

Guys people dont quite get this, but as the price of ecto goes up, the market will increase the supply of ecto:

Here are some methods of making ecto:
Craft level 80 rares, using t5 materials. Because there is an oversupply of T5 materials there is a lot of potential ecto. The price of crafting an ecto is about 29.9 silver per 1.25 ectos.
Secondly, you can purchase green shields with karma, throw them into the mystic forge and have a 20% chance of upgrading it to a rare, salvageable shield. Karma→ecto
You can also buy level 80 green weapons for around 2 silver each, 4 weapons has a 20% chance of becoming a rare, if you fail you get a green weapon back. Average cost per salvage is 26s per 1.25 ectos.
These three caps will keep the ecto price in control, and at most ecto will stabilize at a high of 26-29 silver.

Right now its at 32 silver, which means you can make money stabilizing the price back down to 26-29. There is profit in making ecto right now. You can make 3-4 silver per ecto you make. Sure there is RNG involved, but if you do large batches you will minimize that risk, and end up ahead.

So go players, fix the ecto market yourself!

No what i’m afraid of is were going to go back to the days were were camped into our own spawns for weeks. I hope not though.

Good news is that Dev now has zero reason to target us. But they probably will anyway.

Yep, were in full on failure cascade. For no real reason either.

All I can say is I am disappoint.

As I said, WvW is working as is. Anets priorities are right on this one, and I’m primarily playing WvW.

You can level and gear entirely in WvW if you want to (barring ascended, which is going to be fixed eventually). Sure it takes more time to do it that way, but it will always be more efficent to play the entire game than to focus on one part of it. I pretty much purchased all my exo gear through playing WvW, it just takes time. But I didnt notice that time because I had a blast doing it.

He is after the cultural centers because they have storehouses of his food.

^ but still has culling issues :v

anet confirmed that they will make ascended armor availible in wvw. So thats one of your 4 concerns. And as I stated they upped the drop rate and the rarity chances in WvW, and will probably continue to adjust it.

Also considering WvW is very random in how often a particular player will kill things, its very hard to balance things like gold gain

In a 1 hour window ive made 4 gold in wvw before. Also I strongly object to ANET making it so WvW is better or equal to PvE as far as attaining gold. If that happens you will have an influx of players in it for the gold instead of helping your server win and that will be a very bad thing. Right now you earn a decent amount of money, and yes it can be slightly increased.

There are instances right now where you can aquire gear and loot at faster rates in wvw than pve, but those instances require a persistant enemy to kill, something that anet cannot control.

Also there is a longer list of things that must be fixed in PvE than in Spvp or WvW.

The elder dragons are not evil either. Think about it for a while.

Well said Azure.

Slamz.5376:

MornaVal.4508:

So uh.. the defenders just sit on one cap point with a ton of siege like they always do and create choke points. So how would the other two capture points matter?

Updating the original post for clarity.

Do like what Planetside 2 does, or every capture & hold game in the history of gaming: whoever owns the majority of capture positions is gaining points faster than everyone else. If that’s the defenders, great, they keep the castle. If an attacker wants the castle, they need to capture 2 of the 3 positions and hold it. If they can capture all 3, so much the better, it’ll flip quicker but it’s only really necessary to hold 2.

It works in planetside, but not here. In planetside defenders can usually spawn close by without issue. All this system does is hand over the fort to the attackers if the defenders lack numbers. Attackers contest 2 points, leave a skeleton crew on each, and pressure the last point with thier zerg, rendering the defenders unable to cap back any points.

So no. Different games, different systems. Whats ok in another game isnt always ok in another.

A) Its not easy to change mechanics or add certain things into wvw

There already have been changes to WvW, namely:
1) Orbs were removed
2) Several siege locations near or in spawns have been blocked
3) champions always drop loot, meaning you get wvw loot from tower, keep, and castle lords
4) Loot drops have been significantly increased in wvw, as well as the chance to attain rarer items
5) For the halloween event they changed siege weaponry to spew out holiday appropriate effects, such as toilet paper cannonballs, flaming pumpkin siege rams, and pumpkin flinging trebuchets.
6) They changed server transfers to be once a day, primarly to tamp down on people abusing it in wvw
7) They changed server tranfers to one week, same reason

They are working on:
Culling issues

I’m also kinda confused as to what exactly the wvw community wants. They havent been ignoring wvw in the least, changing or adding maps takes a huge amount of time and resources. I mean they could tweak the scoring system to make pvd less worth it… but most PvPers want a stable system that works. Right now more or less wvw is pretty stable.