Guild Wars 2

“Cele is what makes Ele OP”. Lol what a joke. To all the #ELEtism mega fanboys here, Ele is overpowered because of its class mechanics. How is it not OP that a class can have 600 Hp/s regen, at least 60% protection uptime, and burst 4-6k heals every ten seconds, while also having enough damage to kill a heavy golem as fast as an SD Thief (yes, I’ve ran this test). It’s disgustingly overpowered, and it’s not due to cele. I could do all the same things with Valkyrie or knights ele. Just because ele WAS underpowered doesn’t mean it deserves to be OP now. Also Nex, calling people “noobs” doesn’t help your argument.

Also kitten (booms), if I lose will I have to pay 20g?

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Guys…Stop feeding Kitt or he’ll eventually take my spot as #1 troll NA. His grammar alone should give it away….2/10.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef THE #1 Troll NA

Speed Starr,
Yes, this game isn’t balanced around 1v1s. At a certain level of play you will be countered no matter the skill difference. However, this doesn’t mean one class should be able to 1v1 every class. Obviously you don’t care because necro has always been the faceroll 1v1 king, but to other classes its very difficult to assault side points when you can’t 1v1 an ele. I personally can beat any cele ele pretty easily, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the players or classes can.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Nex,
I don’t understand why you keep defending D/D ele. It doesn’t “deserve” to be god mode because its 2% harder to play than warrior. It’s incredibly broken. IMO the most broken class the game has ever had, worse than hambow at its peak, because IT CANNOT BE COUNTERED. Celestial elementalist is god mode at 1v1, very good in team fights of you have a half decent team that can peel, Has instant 2-4k heals every 10s along with at least 500 HP/S, perma burning that does minimum 500 DPS… It’s disgusting. You keep saying its a difficult class but it really isn’t… nothing in this game is hard to play after like 1 week of playing… I played ele for like a week after patch and reached basically the same level as many with 1000+ hours because I have knowledge of the game. Look at it from an unbiased POV, ele needs significant nerfs. Also I really agree with Heidia, the game needs less faceroll healbot bunkers running around and more high risk high reward. The problem here isn’t cele, cele engi isn’t so bad… the mechanics of elementalist are a problem. A class shouldn’t have more recovery than a bunker guard while having permafury perma 25 might, etc. Theres definitely a problem.

Also Necro is OP as kitten, no idea why they buffed it in patch. Typical ANet.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

LOLOLOLOLOLOL Eles are soooo easy to focus just go sidepoints, a mobile bursty comp can just wreck whichever 2 points the bunker guard isnt on, all you really need is a thief that can 1v1 the other teams thief, cuz after that thief basically hardcounters all other zerkers. Also good DP thieves can 1v1 eles pretty fast, and thief warrior combo or engi necro combo can 2v2 everything.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef Master Thief

Yes, the nerf was rather annoying, however, in terms of duels, thief only suffered at the very highest level, and even then it’s still fine, just takes slightly more skill. Builds are basically the same, and roaming is basically the same because its full of baddies and so it doesn’t matter how nerfed you are.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

LOLOLOLOL this is hilarious. Necros actually think they’re UP when they’re probably the most OP class in the whole game. Necro can literally 1v1 EVERYTHING. You cant even touch a necro without getting 5 seconds minimum passive fear. Its so broken. Necro needs a nerf.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

GW2 can’t be Esports if there’s no teams and pvp keeps losing players everyday. Sizer, you may think there is balance in a good team but the majority of people play soloQ and balance in soloQ is truly depressing. Also, there are no good players anymore, all I see is people rush mid and win/wipe and then Zerg to points like its a hot join, and Im top 200 soloQ most of the time on NA so there must be something wrong. The game is dying and ArenaNet is doing nothing about it. Look at last few balance patches, all they really did was nerf thief into the ground and make ele god mode again. And don’t say cele ele is balanced. That’s too far from the truth. I would honestly say balance in terms of risk vs reward is the worst it’s ever been. Like, look at some of the “top eles and engies”. Have you seen Thaddeus or Skovex play? They random dodge all over the place just to blind people. That’s how disgustingly easy it is, you can waste dodges. Have you seen Hibify play, Sizer Im sure you’ll agree when I say he lacks personal skill but since there’s only like 2 other high level engies EU he seems good. ANet needs to get their act together and promote competitive pvp by not only catering to the high level players with tourneys, but also by motivating low level players to become better by addressing soloQ balance. I really enjoy this game and I hate to see most of the pvp player base ignored because top level teams can “deal with it”.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef Champion Shadow NA

Basically what Cynz said above except I still play thief in pvp it just takes a very high amount of skill. Anyway, for PvE and wvw thief is top tier, in PvE I would say it got buffed a lot. It’s mostly just pvp thieves crying right now and even there the SD nerf was blown out of proportion.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Lol condi thief thinking he’s good when he’s carried by SA and dire stats. As bad as that thief may have been, he was right in saying you should reroll.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef Official #3 Thief NA

Blackjack.5621:

Mesmer/Thief combo is op because of their broken damage.
Especially Mesmer damage is broken while thief fits more the mobility role.
A single Mesmer can oneshot people with direct damage and clones alone are almost impossible to outsustain.

Sure you would get one shot, if you weren’t running faceroll DD ele and spamming water skills to instantly recover to full 100%. Zapdos, dont even try man, your actually trying to get Mesmer, the worst class nerfed cuz your so scared Helseth and TCG are gonna destroy you because their skill beats your ultimate cheese bunker comp. Maybe if you weren’t carried by builds you guys could get good at the game and win instead of camping home all game.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Lolololololol so funny hoe you guys ditched people due to skill issues lolololololl.

Also is your name Mike or Aaron?

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Edit: To Mr. Polished Clean Nails below who’s a mega MLG pro, In terms of mechanical skill im certainly “at that level”. I would play tourneys but Im too busy to be playing at 7-9 which is when the ESL and MP events are.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. I get such a bad feeling in my head whenever Hotjoin heros and PvE players run around saying ele and engi are hard. I’ve played every class, and I can play every class at a decently high level, Ele and Engi are incredibly easy to be effective with. Cele engi ALL YOU NEED TO DO is knock back immob, nades spam, toolkit block, EG for heal and then rifle spam. Sure you can do other stuff but your only 2% more effective! and spamming buttons isn’t hard when your supplemented by perfect stats and blocks every 20s. Ele is even more faceroll because it has so much recovery it doesn’t even matter if you make a mistake, you get hit by evis you can 1. Heal it off, 2. RtL away and then Heal it off, 3. facetank it with perma protection and heal it off anyway, 4. Dodge it but heal through his autos anyway. So easy to play. Sorry for rant, I just get so frustrated when people call the most faceroll classes hard to play. Hardest classes mechanically right now are 1. DP thief by a LARGE margin, 2. Sword Shatter Mesmer, 3. Ranged Shatter Mesmer, 4. SD thief.. Maybe.. 5. Every other Zerker? 6. Everything else is faceroll.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Mbelch.9028:

Elitist.8701:

So, a few things I’ve noticed about your gameplay, I’m not saying your bad, you could just use a little more practice.

1. You Random Dodge a LOT. Like really, half the time its not even to hit someone with EA, you just random dodge.

2. Im not sure of your exact stats but you seem to have at least 2700 armor, so your basically a bunker. I’d really like to see how you perform with a glassier build.

Overall though, pretty good gameplay.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

If you’re seeing me random dodge, it is either because I am anticipating something, setting up a skill or triggering evasive arcana. I’d ask you to take another look, and if you have a specific question about a dodge, link me a time. I’ll look it up and explain why I did it.

The only time I waste them is when my anticipation is incorrect or the game bugs out.

You have to remember sometimes dodges are best used for movement. When you’re slowed down, a jump dodge will move you forward at out of combat speed. Very useful.

I very much appreciate your comment though, I love talking about gameplay and strategy.

(P.S.) I run 2400 armor and | I’m | not a bunker in the truest form. I just run a balanced build.

Ah ok thanks for the clarification. I usually only use dodges for movement on my SD thief because on other classes they’re too precious, but I assume your running energy sigil so I guess it’s ok. Also, your only running 2400 armor!!! I run 2500 on my ele and die much faster. I guess im just bad at DD ele but then again I don’t play it much anymore cuz of people saying its face roll just because of cele.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

So, a few things I’ve noticed about your gameplay, I’m not saying your bad, you could just use a little more practice.

1. You Random Dodge a LOT. Like really, half the time its not even to hit someone with EA, you just random dodge.

2. Im not sure of your exact stats but you seem to have at least 2700 armor, so your basically a bunker. I’d really like to see how you perform with a glassier build.

Overall though, pretty good gameplay.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Do you have nothing better to do than to make these lists? These are basically lists of “well known players that I think might be best in the game”. The true best players of these classes are not as famous as these players, and I’ve seen people much better at their respective classes than some of these people. There are a lot of duelers in wvw and even king of the hill arenas that could destroy any of these guys. Pease stop posting about your little “group of pros”. It’s getting repetitive.

I don’t mean any disrespect with this post, I just think Backpack is misinformed, please dont ban me again mod.

Edit: I agree with the part about Tarcis though <3. But not Hman he cant even 1v1 me and I suck at the game.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

All classes are OP except thief, mesmer, ranger, and guardian. All the other classes are incredibly overpowered and need to be toned down. Also, engi isnt hard to play at all. Any half decent player can pick up engi and be fine with it. Its not that hard, all you do with cele engi is knockback, immob, nade spam, block if under pressure, and heal for 2/3 of your HP. Its faceroll even, with toolkit you have almost 20% invuln uptime cuz the only reliable unlbockable move (LS on thief) was nerfed.

Engi is the strongest class right now. Engi and Ele need to be toned down a little, I think the main culprit is Celestial Amulet because power ele is fine and Condi PS engi is fine. Cele engi is ridiculous, IMO more OP than ele because of passive bleed burn and vuln procs along with easy perma poison and insane CC. With SD thief nerf it’s also basically the best tourney viable 1v1 build.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

@Tom.8029

The fact that you use Cleric’s amulet shows how good you are at the class. D/D ele is completely faceroll even “at a high level” (not sure how you know what people do at a high level). All you do is DPS in fire air, CC and protection in earth and then healbot healbot healbot water. I used to main ele back when it wasnt so faceroll but quit cuz its a joke now. Clerics is even more faceroll than Cele. Its literally a full heal every water attunement…

Thief got hit the hardest by far. Went from the second best class in the game to the worst class in the game.

God Tier: Ele, Warrior
High Tier: Guardian, Engi
Mid Tier: Ranger, Mesmer
Trash Tier: Thief, Necro

-Teef Teef Teef Teef former SD thief

Teef Teef Teef Teef’s top 10 players list;

1. Lazer Booms

2. Vee Wee

3. Teef Teef Teef Teef

4. Ele Ele Ele Ele Ele

5. Mes Mes Mes Mes Mes

6. Warr Warr Warr Warr

7. Wee Vee

8. Moose

9. Kaed

10. Tiny Teef Teef Teef

Many of you may be thinking that a bunch of these are my alts, but they’re actually people Ive trained. They mimic my name cuz Im so good.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, best SD thief NA cuz I tried it today it isn’t that bad and all the other SD Teefs quit so Im da best

Edit: No I keep coming back to thief I have to let it go goodbye thief I will miss you be but I have to leave GG thief Im rerrolling #ded clas

Where am I on this list? I can 1v1 any of those people anyday. Also some of those people you put as Average (Not gonna name names cuz next time I get infracted im permabanned) are terrible in terms of mechanical skill and lose duels all the time. Also having dueled you like, twice Backpack, why aren’t you up there your best Engi NA man <3

Edit: I prolly shouldve read the first sentence before saying that last bit

Edit 2: Booms needs to be up there man plz hes so good (I said booms cuz if I said his in game name it says kitten for some reason but you know who I mean)

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, Best Ele NA cuz thief is dead QQ

I hate when ignorant people call thief an easy class, go play the meta DP spec, maybe it was easy back in december but months of power creep have left it worst class in game.

Ranger isnt medium difficulty its easier than warrior ever wkitten

ter mesmer is onr of the hardest specs in the game.

Elementalist isnt hard to play its faceroll.

At moi.4398, please explain which class has a higher skillcap. I’m terms of skill floor, things like shatter mesmer have a higher skill floor, but skill cap thief has by far the highest.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, retired Thief.

Thief is still unplayable. Revert nerfs please Anet, I don’t like any other class, they all have a low skill cap and are boring pleeeeeease Anet I don’t wanna quit this game I like it!!!!!

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, retired Thief

GG Anet. I was looking at the patch notes on my way home today I thought maybe the patch would be nice and I could finally get to work on my Mesmer alt, but holy crap you destroyed the game for high tier PvPers. Thief is the worst class in the game at this point. Previously a good thief could beat 90% of builds but now it’s down to maybe 40% or less. Its ridiculous. Steal never hits, DP is trash, SD is trash, everything else has always been trash. I so badly wanna play this game but at this point the only options are Faceroll DD ele and 1 spam ranger.

- Teef Teef Teef Teef, you wont see this character in game ever again. Either re rolling mes or quitting the game.

Warrior needs more nerfs, they’re still the most overpowered class in the game, but this is a step in the right direction. GJ Anet. BTW if anyone thinks Im a noob because of that statement please duel me for gold.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

I’ve seen Kronos duel before. I wouldn’t call him best dueler (that’s obviously me) but he’s pretty high up. And please guys, explain to me how your gonna defeat all the thieves if your playing shatter Mesmer. GJ Kronos.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Neither Stella nor Nhymx is what I would consider masters of their class, but honestly Stella was heavily outplayed. If anything I think Stella is just a skill spammer. She lacks the ability to mentally outplay Nhymx and she can’t dodge any of warriors moves consistently. A good medi guard never loses to warrior. NEVER. Obviously for much if the community it may be an issue fighting warriors, but really its just something yu need to learn. Learning to fight warriors will help you fight every class. Really.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef Top Tier Thief NA

Edit: What Saint Snow said

ToL 2? Is that still happening? I didn’t know it took 2 months for a tournament. I just assumed it was over because ArenaNet no longer posts anything about it. Also who won All-Stars? Prolly EU by a mile.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, best Teef NA

Steb,

1. ToL 2 is a joke, nobody cares about it. It had, what, 500 viewers? Nobody cares about your team either.

2. Nobody cares how “good” you are. I bet Amon or Kinsz could wreck you 1v1 anyway.

3. You do not explain why S/D is bad for the game. You also ignore everything said about how acro is cancer, not S/D.

4. Your trying to copy Vee Wee by saying “Frands”. That phrase makes anything you say BS.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, retired because Ele didn’t work out :/ Bye GW2.

I’m from Mag so I think I have a similar perspective to SOS thieves. In terms of zerging, even tier 2 is dead until prime time, but roaming I personally at least find someone every 3-4 mins to fight. I used to be on a tier 5 server, and I noticed that coming to tier 2 I had to get a lot better at thief because Tier 1 and 2 has a lot more roamers that know what they’re doing.

^^
I can’t post threads because I’ve been infracted too many times but someone should post a thread in profession balance forum, devs are more likely to see it and maybe they’ll actually do something for once.

On another note WTF are they doing with D/P?!?!? They kill S/D AND D/P, the only two viable pvp weapon sets in ONE balance update!!! Are they trying to force a P/D condi meta??? That’s the only other option I see at this point.

-Ele Ele Ele Ele Ele, already at level 76 from tomes. Im also gonna start playing more league, GG ANet.

I completely agree with Amonatory. The S/D weaponset isnt OP, Acro is OP and S/D synergized the best with Acro which makes it “OP”. They dont need to nerf S/D any more. Furthermore they are literally changing the playstyle of S/D thief. THIS IS NOT OK. They cant change the playstyle that many thieves have spent hard work and time mastering. I know for sure that there are no Anet people that play S/D at a high level, their making blind changes. This doesn’t even fix the issue because it makes MORE EVADE SPAM.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, soon to be Ele Ele Ele Ele Ele because the most skillful Thief build is dead.

Lol P/D thief…what a joke. Like, it’s so hard to kill nubs in wvw that you have to go full condi bunker. WvW is becoming a joke but the developers don’t seem to care because they let perplexity runes and condi food run rampant. But go ahead, get carried by your build. At least I won’t see you people in PvP. Although, if you do run condi thief in PvP please be on the other team, it’ll increase my chances of winning.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, that thief that’s better than every P/D thief in the game because Ive learned to play instead of getting carried by cheese.

There is ZERO percent chance to beat a turret engi as a thief. NONE. Not with short bow, not with some playstyle change, you CANNOT win. It’s like Necro vs Engi, engi always loses. You can live for 8 seconds on point if you slot daggerstorm, but then you waste an elite just for a small poke. If a turret engi is on a point, dont even try to 1v1. Let him camp and 4v5 and snowball the other points. Turret engi rotates slowly so if he does move off point it’s an easy backcap.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

D/P thief should never lose 1v1 to an S/D Thief unless there is a LARGE skill cap, which is why you see so many D/P thieves lose to S/D, they’re freaking garbage. D/P thief is one of the easiest builds in the entire game to 1v1 with. That doesn’t mean that it’s GOOD at 1v1, it means that it has an incredibly safe playstyle because pistol 5 counters melee completely. It can even be called a soft counter to melee. This extremely face roll build and the perceived notion by idiots that S/D can easily beat D/P is why they act so immature towards S/D thieves. The “meta” build for S/D isn’t even for WvW where it struggles against condis, yet for some reason they think it’s still OP there? Just one question, did the D/P thief use Shadow arts? If a D/P thief beats you in a duel using shadow arts completely ignore any whisper you get from them and just go do something else for a bit. Another thing that I hate about most “non-meta” thieves is that they think S/D Thief is easy to play. That’s completely false, D/P if anything is easy to play. 5, auto, 2, 3 into backstab. There’s no reactive play. Sure you can be “good” at D/P, but the BEST thieves in the game play S/D and D/D in WvW because D/P is just as cheese as any condi built.

TLDR; No you’re not a scrub for playing S/D.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

There is no rotation, on any class, especially not Thief. When you get to a certain level, people will try to predict your movements and skills, and sticking to a rotation makes you predictable and weak vs high tier players. Some classes may have a “rotation”, like for example when I was a nub ele I used to do RtL, Updraft, Burning Speed, Fire Grab every single time, but the second I faced a good player they would completely counter everything I did.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Anyone that says S/D thief is a “sustain” spec please go play it. Hambow is sustain. Bunker Guard is sustain. Not S/D thief. With Permavigor, an S/D thief can only dodge 3 times within ~5 seconds, learn to count the evades. Flanking strike’s evade is so hilariously easy to counter that if you can’t your kittened.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef

Booms.2594:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Moobs.8231:

Elitist.8701:

S/D thieves aren’t OP. In teamfights they dont have that much sustain, they only have 3 evades every 5 seconds unless they use Signet, and once focused they die really fast. They cant 1v1 engis, hambows, eles, or Necros ON POINT which is the only place where 1v1s matter. They’re only slightly more mobile than D/P thieves in terms of landspeed. Speaking of D/P thieves they HARDCOUNTER S/D thieves. Black Powder destroyed any X/D thief.

That’s a funny thing to say considering our thief who runs s/d never loses to caed

Thats because that thief is outplaying caed , d/p counters most thief sets aside from P/D because the latter doesn’t require you to go in melee range thus negating the blind spam.

caed is probably the best d/p thief mechanically so i think youre pretty stupid saying how it counters s/d then because no one should be able to beat him on s/d

I’m not sure how good Caed is because I’ve never fought him, but Amonatory beating Caed just shows that Amonatory is good enough to counter that disadvantage. however, the fact that you think that shows that S/D beats D/P just shows you’re ignorant. D/P has much higher burst, and has melee range invincibility with pistol 5.

On topic, this thread is still going on? S/D thief isn’t OP, and everyone that says it’s face roll has 99% guaranteed never used the spec or just wrecked some nub and comes to the forum to say " I destroyed someone slightly more bad than me, so S/D thief must be OP, PLZ nerf". Another scenario, " Im playing Hambow look at me spam buttons, oh look a thief, wtf he’s dodging all my moves, that cant be him skillfully dodging major tells, he must be evade spamming, S/D thief OP nerf plox".

-Teef Teef Teef Teef (My sig is disabled by mods >:( )

Teef is love, Teef is life.

I’m not a commander myself, but I don’t think it would be incredibly difficult to command. Ele has extremely high protection uptime, lots of regen, and tons of healing. If a Warrior can command and survive, an Ele can definitely do so. Diamond Skin is a trash trait, what you’ll want as a front liner is a 00266 build with the normal water and arcane traits, and elemental shielding. Since your frontline, you’ll want to use D/D instead of staff. You should use a mix of soldiers and knights armor; maybe even clerics. Less on the vitality, 20k should be good, and then go max in armor. Because your in arcane, you should have good fury uptime, so 15-20% crit chance should give you enough damage while maintaining survivability. Utilities should be Mist Form, Cleansing Fire, and Armor of Earth, but you can change those of course. Heal should be signet, both other heals are garbage. The best rune for commanding in WvW is either superior rune of the Dolyak, or Superior Rune of Melandru. Superior Rune of Hoelbrak can also work.

Edit: Forgot to say, in the Water Line you should take the aurashare trait for group protection and aoe stun armor and frost armor.

Have you ever seen a triple stance, double endure pain warrior running orb? Have you ever seen an ele with FGS running orb? That’s why the map isn’t in team queue, its incredibly easy to exploit the secondary mechanic.

Necros aren’t underpowered lol. They literally hardcounter so many builds it’s not even funny. They destroy Thieves, destroy guardians, destroy eles, destroy mesmers, etc. What the class needs isn’t a buff; its a rework.

After the patch I was under the impression that fresh air was an inferior spec, but after trying it out and also dueling several meta builds, I’m really glad to see that its a solid spec. It’s also really fun for those of us that are bored of D/D and wanna try a harder spec. Thanks Zoose.

How about you explain why it’s “bullkitten” instead of ranting randomly. S/D thief is fine as long as celestial axebow and turret engi/AI builds in general are fine.

Im not sure why you would feel sorry when you play it. In what world is evading worst than Pistol #5 permablind? I don’t think most people understand that S/D isn’t cheese and can easily be countered by certain specs. Just because your precious hambow can’t beat it doesn’t mean it’s bad.

All the whiners don’t understand that S/D thief is the hardest thief spec to play. All the S/D thieves that ou get wrecked by are probably highly skilled. And don’t say “you don’t need skill to evade spam”. Think about this, An acro thief doesn’t have as much damage as a CS thief, and they can’t stealth spam in pvp, so their only defense is evades. No other meta builds have permanent evade because the only other meta build that uses zerker amulet is mesmer which has a high amount of teleports and distortion.

All I can say is L2P

Also I’d like to 1v1 you because Im almost 100% sure you don’t know how to play S/D thief.

Dont fall for the ranger , its the worst class in the game. Thief and Engi are both solid choices for PvP and WvW, it really comes down to what role you want to fill, and what you’re aiming for. The people above that say thief is weak have no idea how to play thief well. If you’ve ever seen a good S/D thief, you’ll know that they destroy all engineer builds. However, Im not sure what skill level OP is at. Thief has the most potential out of all other classes to outplay the opponent. This means heavy burst, disengage, and the ability to mitigate damage while still doing damage through blinds and evades. Engineer is BOTTOM tier at 1v1. They lose to any condi class, 90% of warriors, and good thieves. However engineer can offer extremely high area control, higher face tanking capabilities, higher healing, and can 1v2 or 1v3 very easy in WVW ONLY. In terms of roles, engineer is mostly a point fighter, when thief is a backcapper. Engineer can also defend home point. As a roamer,a thiefs main role is turning side point fights in his teams favor by quickly finishing enemies and giving a numbers advantage. I also play thief and can surely tell you that it will always remain viable in pvp due to superior mobility, whereas engi could fall out of the meta quickly if nerfed.

D/D is horrible for 1v1. Best sets for 1v1 are D/P + SB and S/D + SB. S/P + SB could also work.

Spvp meta build:

S/D, 20066, Berserker ammy, sigil of air, sigil of fire, rune of the pack.

Thief in general is tough for new players to play, S/D is the hardest weapon set by far. If your really having trouble, you should probably wait until you get better at the game. Warrior is a good class to play if your new because its incredibly easy to play and is best at everything in the game.

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