Guild Wars 2

This is pretty funny and shows the state of balance in this game.

-retired best multiclass NA

Edit: LOL Lettuce just as amusing as he used to be “1v1 me I’ll beat you” and saying Kronos is a “well known PvPer”. There’s a reason FEAR was/is the laughingstock of PvP.

Balance broke after the update, my expectation is that Anet will take about 6 months after the expansion to do anything.

Just quit the game like I did.

-Former best multi class NA

Hey guys, this is Teef Teef Teef Teef, former best multiclass NA.

I know I’ve said that I’ve quit and all but I’ve still stuck around, trolling dueling arenas and daily rooms, because that’s the only thing I find fun anymore in this game.

This time though, after seeing what Anet did with HoT, first I didn’t really understand what happened. But then I looked at it again and realized I got shafted up the kitten. 50 bucks for an absolute trash PvP mode and a new class. WTF???

Then today I looked at the specialization notes. I read them a few times, basically all I saw was that thief became next level overpowered while necro got destroyed. They next-level power creeped with the specs, and the thing is, thief will hardcounter necro sooooo hard that it will literally be unplayable. Even if they fix it, I KNOW Anet will take months and months and months to fix Thief, and I know necro will NEVER get the buffs it deserves. This isn’t just another of my thief whine threads, it just amazes me how bad they actually are at balancing, and also all the random unnecessary crap they put in the expansion just for the sake of baiting people into buying it thinking its “new”.

Anet has disgusted me for a while now in the way they ignore their current customers in favor of trying to get new customers. They’ve also driven me away with the absolute lack of anything for PvP in forever. The last update we’ve had was the trash update where they removed soloQ and added a bunch of bullkitten UI updates saying it was new and “improved”. Anet wants nothing but money from new players. There’s nothing wrong with getting money, that’s what every company does, but Anet exploits our passiveness and ignores us veterans.

Basically I’m done. I know this thread will attract a bunch of fanboys and trolls saying “ok then leave”. But really, I encourage you all to actually look at the game for what it is. If you really look at it, you’ll see that everything I’ve just said is true. Guild Wars 2 is dying, there are signs of it everywhere. HoT is Anets last attempt to get free money from you guys before abandoning this game. Don’t fall for it.

“Top level skill”

More like top kek

style.6173:

Elitist.8701:

Hi frands, Teef Teef Teef Teef here, retired best multiclass NA!

For someone who has retired, you sure post a lot. You remind me of an ex who can’t let go. Just like an ex, you have two options: 1. beg a team to take you back. 2. move on and play a different game.

Im plat 1 in league, and I wouldn’t come back to the game unless I got into the Abjured cuz then I could farm free money off of Anet. I’m just highlighting the biggest problem I saw in PvP when I still played and how Anet could potentially fix PvP and bring people back.

@Dr GonzoWithout Thieves Mesmer would be OP???? LOL. Go play a Mesmer and tell me that they’re on the same tier as thief. Unlike Thief who can faceroll 1-2-3 in teamfights then insta-disengage, Mesmer has a very hard time doing damage. Even if there wer no thieves mesmer would still be a high skill floor class and would definitely not be OP because the class has clear weaknesses and counterplay unlike Thief. Same for rangers, but they’re easier to play, in exchange for less utility.

Yes please. Then Necro would be viable again.

kdaddy.5431:

Question how does this dude keep coming here making noise. He wasnt very good and he always ran meta builds and when he lost he blamed everyone else. I recall people telling me when he was on there teams for ANYTHING he would bark orders and if they lost any situation he would cry and tell everyone to L2P.

He keeps coming on the forum and people keep responding, its driving me crazy that a slightly above average player, announces himself as one of the best and chirps like a birdie. Please people let him make his post and ignore

I don’t even know you, nor do I remember ever facing you in a duel or PvP, so refrain from saying random crap that some people that I trolled told you. In terms of the whole team thing, I never barked orders or cried or said anything negative to any of my teammates. While I am toxic in game when I get on TS with teammates I act like a normal person as I would in real life. I’d like to know who exactly told you that I “bark orders”. Also lol at “he always ran meta builds”. Typically when someone expresses discontent with running meta they’re hotheaded scrubs. There’s this one warrior I know whose name starts with s and ends with hwarheit who’s exactly like that.

For all the Thief mains saying L2P if you wanna 1v1 ThiefvThief Ill destroy all of you.

For all of you thinking I’m a kittenty necro, ask anyone who’s played with or against me on Necro and ask them if I’m a bad necro. They’ll say kitten nah bro. For all of you telling me your necro builds beat thieves, good for you, but I’m referring to top tier thieves using meta builds vs condition PoC necro and 62006 power necro. Not some random crap thieves that cant dodge DS 2.

In terms of thief hard countering mesmer, yes as a mesmer you CAN beat them 1v1. However what happens the majority of the time is that their stealth will outlast yours and they’ll insta burst you for 7k with BS+Steal, which will effectively remove you from the fight for 20s. On the other hand if you burst them they’ll just pop BP and withdraw and go decap your home point.

For all of you saying this will remove thief from the PvP scene… No, it won’t. Thief will still be taken to shut out Mesmers and Rangers because these changes barely affect their 1v1 capabilities, and even with the mobility nerf thieves will still by far be the fastest class in huge game. And if it does remove thief from PvP… Is that such a bad thing for the class that has dominated PvP since the beginning of the game?

Hi frands, Teef Teef Teef Teef here, retired best multiclass NA!

I have come to share my closing thoughts on the biggest glaring issue with PvP! The biggest problem with this game is.. you guessed it, TEEF.

/VeeWeeMode

Thief is the most overpowered class in the game. It has the highest map mobility, the highest map control in general, the highest burst setup combined with the 3rd best burst, virtual invincibility with instant 1200 range teleports combined with long stealth durations and high evasiveness via weapon skills, without even traiting for acro.

Now, obviously most top players don’t see Thief as overpowered in 1v1. While in an actual duel a thief will never lose, in a conquest setting it is often not ideal for a thief to engage in 1v1s. Why is this? It’s because with the amount of map control the class has, it’s better to literally run around the map insta killing people in +1s and decapping points than it is to actually contest anything, because thief can force a camp as well, because otherwise the second an enemy leaves a point it’ll get decapped. No other class can influence the map even close to this extent.

Not only that, but then there’s the element of stealth. You might think you have the map under control, but the second you leave a point, there will literally be a thief that pops out of stealth and decaps it before you can react. This is an awful mechanic because there is no counterplay to stealth AT ALL in this game.

Finally, my personal biggest problem. Thief hardcounters necro, mes, and ranger in a conquest environment as well as a 1v1 environment. Having been a necro main when I quit the game, this was one of the worst parts for me. The chances of a good thief losing to a necro in any situation is minimal… same for mes and ranger. This would be ok if you could get away but noooooooo thief will ALWAYS catch you. There is no escape from the most OP class.

Suggested nerfs to Thief:

Reduce all shadowstep ranges by 1/3. i.e. SS max range 800.

Reduce all stealth durations on ALL classes by 1/3. i.e. BP would give 2s stealth instead of 3s.

Change the maximum stealth duration to 5s, down from 13s or whatever it is now.

Reduce thief blind durations to 1s, right now kittenty thieves just spam DP 3 and win instead of actually using it to predict something and dodge it.

Give pistol 4 a 1s cast time and raise initiative cost to 6. In return give it a 2s daze.

Remove panic strike from the game, replace it with some useless trait so people go back to CS Thief.

Gut vampirism runes.

These changes would keep Thief strong as a burst class and wouldn’t effect its 1v1 too much, but it would give the class more counterplay.

I’ll make more threads on what I think the PvP in this game needs. ArenaNet will obviously do none of it, but I don’t really have much to do over the summer XD

BlackTruth.6813:

1.) Braindead and effective non-existent anymore.

2.) ANET stops listening to people like Teef Teef Teef who thinks Hambow (Braindead/effective) takes skill and should come back.

3.) The game becomes FUN.

I never said hambow takes skill. I said it has the highest skillcap. HUGE difference. Much higher skillcap than that dumb build you use anyway. All you do with that is bait their stun break then mace stun into axe autos.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, retired best multiclass NA

No. NOTHING HAS CHANGED AT ALL SINCE YOU LEFT. Look at the patch notes. They did nothing to WvW at all. The only things they’ve added in the last few months have been gemstore items and like 1 living story thing. Also to the person below, if gold servers are dead why would you ever go to a bronze server… having transferred from bronze I can tell you there is noooooobody in WvW in those servers.

-Elitist, retired best multiclass NA.

Infantry, I think you and me both know that Arenanet will not do anything you’ve listed here.

…

Yeah..

#Ripgaem

-Teef Teef Teef Teef, retired best multiclass NA

Extreme.8350:

I dont want it cluttering my screen atleast not in pve anet pls

Literally 90% of GW2 players.

-Elitist, retired best multiclass NA, Plat 1 in league and climbing.

Blackjack after you farm some more money off of Anet you should just quit. It was the best decision I made in this game.

Arenanet can’t become “Esports” at this point. At the peak of PvP they got like 3k viewers on WTS. Ever since then there’s been a decline in the PvP population.

You waste cooldowns and dodges way too much. An insta-decoy vs a better thief would’ve gotten you slaughtered. Your timing is good and all but I’d like to see how you stand up to thieves that actually know how to use their shortbow… those thieves in the video didn’t swap at all. Decent video though.. 7/10.

So you’re saying don’t blame Anet for ruining the leaderboards and refusing to revert anything they’ve done wrong (which is many things).

Ok.

style.6173:

The player base is actually pretty large. You just have a lot of people who just say it is small to try to justify the poor matchmaking system in place.

The player base isn’t large at all… If you look in HotM you can always see the same people every single day. Not only that but look at the leaderboards. You can be a freaking nobody who loses every single game but get on the leaderboards because there’s barely more than a thousand people that play PvP. What’s even more funny is that there are more people in daily servers than are usually playing ranked at any given time. Seriously go look at the daily servers, there are like 6-7 of them that are all full of PvE players. Unless something has changed within the 2 months since I left I’m pretty sure PvP is still dead.

robertul.3679:

I can’t believe he didn’t mention intel arcing arrow. I know it’s warrior basic stuff but new players might not know about it and it’s a huge part of the dps.

I don’t think Backpack even used it in the video LOL. Really though instead of wasting intelligence on a 1k dodge you can hit 4k with arcing. Reckless dodge in general isn’t worth it, do the math, you literally get 10%+ more damage on everything if you take DotE. Also why would you take energy, there’s literally nothing to dodge in this meta except autoattacks, and you already have perma vigor from WH 5.

Boggs.6482:

lower ranked? the abjured’s entire strategy is to zerg :P

This. If you ever watch The Abjured the way they win fights is they Zerg them then go back and cap all the decapped points while the enemy team is all dead. The reason this works well on NA is because there’s some sort of philosophy that you have to 5 man home after you get wiped, which in reality is a terrible idea vs a comp like that.

Air/Fire are pretty broken tbh. If you look at the Abjured comp they literally just focus on camping stealth and then one shotting people with air fire and immob from panic strike… Coming from someone that’s faced The Abjured twice, their comp is pretty freaking broken. At least with the cele meta teamfights lasted long enough to make plays, with a Zerker meta it would basically be who camps stealth longer cuz the first team to get out of stealth would have someone get instakilled then they would lose fight due to being outnumbered.

Also RIP Necro

Because there’s literally nobody else playing ranked at anywhere near that MMR other than you guys.

#dedgaem

PS. For my fans that are wondering where I went I’ve been playing league for a bit longer than 3 months now, started playing b4 I quit this game and now I’m hooked. Gonna hit 30 pretty soon, been playing with a lot of gold smurfs and they think I can hit silver on placements and get to gold for sure within a month and maybe plat. I’m gonna tryhard and get to diamond because I’m incredibly good at every game I play. But anyway, still have 8 levels to go. If anyone wants to add me on league send me a msg on this forum account.

RIP Necro
RIP PvP
RIP Anet

#dedgaem

I don’t keep up with “competitive” (huehuehue) anymore but im pretty sure there are no necros left on NA except Nos. And even Nos acknowledges that Necro is the worst class.

PS Leeto I luv u <3 not gey tho ur just my inspiration

PSS For my fans that are wondering where I went I’ve been playing league for a bit longer than 3 months now, started playing b4 I quit this game and now I’m hooked. Gonna hit 30 pretty soon, been playing with a lot of gold smurfs and they think I can hit silver on placements and get to gold for sure within a month and maybe plat. I’m gonna tryhard and get to diamond because I’m incredibly good at every game I play. But anyway, still have 8 levels to go. If anyone wants to add me on league send me a msg on this forum account.

Bret.6940:

if you think your that good without weapons come try that on BG and JQ in wvw and when you face people that know how to play you will see its a l2p

Nice joke brah. The only place where you’ll find players that are actually good is PvP… which is basically dead at this point.. so yeah. THERE ARE NO GOOD PLAYERS ANYMORE.

Immobilize Stacking.

AWFUL Leaderboards.

I spend 1/2 of my time in the game AFK in the mists.

No incentive to play other than getting an extra 2 hours minimum wage at McDonalds paycheck every week. The game doesn’t need to throw money at people to make them want to play, it needs to straight up add leagues. Gems aren’t a good prize either, top players want to show that they’re better than everyone else, and legendaries don’t show that, a diamond/plat/whatever PvP badge does.

No Arenas. Honestly after going through like 5 failure teams I’m sick of trying to find people even remotely close to my level. 2v2 and 3v3 game modes please. That or make soloQ competitive.

Terrible State of the Necromancer Class which was the main reason I left the game. Necromancer was my favorite class by far and every day I played it I asked myself why bother playing the worst class in the game.

Insane Power Creep Inc in Expansion that for sure will lead to imbalance that Anet will FOR SURE take 6 months minimum to fix.

Btw Turk, I still post on the forums because I really liked this game for a long time and it’s sad to have to go away from something with so much potential that is just unused.

Thief is pretty easy mode tbh. You can 1111 all day and kill people with procs, steal, and panic strike. Source: 800 hours on Thief.

I would recommend quitting the game. It’s never going to be esports man, half the PvP community died and while it’s not decreasing at this point, its definitely not increasing. GW2 is a freaking PvE game. Just gotta accept that and move along.

Hambow in the hands of me, easily the best dueler NA, beat everything. plz boiz. Hambow beats DD Ele 100/0, cele engi 40/60, shoutbow 80/20, SD Thief 50/50 if you’re actually intelligent enough to time the hammer skills on flanking strike after cast, Mesmer 70/30, Necro 30/70, Guard 50/50. This is assuming both are skillcapped.

Phantaram.4816:

As the competitive scenes develops more and more (…)

Lol

choovanski.5462:

Elitist.8701:

Im not talking about hamshout, im talking about the glorious stance hambow. hamshout isn’t glorious at all, its lame.

eh, I prefer team support over selfish skills

Hambow has an incredible amount of team support through offensive peels my frand.

For the record I think Hambow is viable right now on terms of 1v1 and small scale fights, I do think it is lacking compared to current celestials because they are more valuable to take, and warrior cant really compete for a DPS spot. If it got hammer damage back I think it would be worth it to take Hambow over dd ele or Shoutbow due to the utility it offers in the form of cc.

Im not talking about hamshout, im talking about the glorious stance hambow. hamshout isn’t glorious at all, its lame.

Anet,

I’d like to ask for a revert on the nerfs to the glorious Hambow, the highest skillcap spec in the whole game. Not the adrenaline nerf, that’s fine because only crappy warriors miss earthshaker, but the other nerfs, like hammer damage and berserker stance. Shoutbow is an absolute crap build that symbolizes everything disgusting in this meta, bring back the strength and power of the glorious Hambow and get rid of this horn kitten sheet.

-Warr Warr Warr Warr, the best Hambow/Zerker Warrior NA until I quit the game 2 weeks ago.

Why do so many people suddenly think power necro is good? It’s a trash build. Watch The Abjured get 500-0ed by TCG in WTS because Nos only has 1 stunbreak and no mobility. Considering nobody actually coordinates AoE condi clears anymore and just spams them (even in top teams), condi necro is still a better pick IMO if you play it well.

Hvaran.6327:

that’s hard trolling. Cele is not strong enough hoho.

Most bers builds require 3 times more effort for succes then common cele

Not even close. If anything, cele ele has a higher skillcap than medi guard, ranger and power necro, and arguably higher than mesmer and thief. Cele Engi maybe not as difficult as mesmer/thief, but medi guard, ranger, and power necro are literally 2 of the easiest specs in the game. IDK about shoutbow though, my experience with that build is limited (its boring AF lol).

Ele Ele Engi Engi Necro is the best comp. You 1-2-2, win everything because you have the best matchups in the game, then 3 cap all game due to mobility and sustain. IDK why people don’t do this anymore tbh, burst comps simply can’t match the might of celestial.

FA is the best roaming server for sure.

Hi frands, my name is Teef Teef Teef Teef/ Ele Ele Ele Ele/ Fear Fear Fear Fear/ Warr Warr Warr Warr/ Engi Engi Engi Engi/ Mes Mes Mes Mes/ Blok Blok Blok Blok/ Carried By Da Wolf. As many of you may know, I am the best multiclass NA. Im currently banned from the game until Saturday, April 25, 2:30 CT, however I will resume playing after that time is expired, as other games have failed to keep my interest. I play every class at top tier level, oftentimes better than people who “main” them cough every Phantaram copy ele cough. I will be looking for a team for this tournament. Due to the lack of competition on NA I believe a strong team with me in it will be able to get second place rather easily, losing only to “The Abjured”.

Some Guidelines:

If you doubt my skill don’t bother contacting me.

If you think I may doubt your skill don’t bother contacting me.

If you make me play shoutbow don’t bother contacting me.

If you’re unknown it’s very unlikely that I’ll accept your team offer, but you may try.

If your team has certain people who are unbearable to play with, please don’t contact me.

If your team has “weak links”, so to speak, I will not join unless you get rid of them.

All other factors are subject to be judged by Elitist.8701 should you be fortunate enough to be given the opportunity to have me on your team.

-Elitist, best multiclass NA as of March 2015.

P.S. I can’t currently reply to private messages, I was recently infracted from the forums as well and am “being punished”. I’ll reply to PMs once I get back to the game on Saturday.

Hmm.. ToL 3 and Turret nerf… maybe I wont quit the game after all

Edit: RIP SoF ;(

I’m pretty sure there’s only going to be one. Gotta wait until a year after the expansion they might release another one lol.

BlackTruth.6813:

Elitist.8701:

Don’t play the build that Zenos is posting. Its an even worse version of Schwarheit’s awful build. I think Hambow is what you’re looking for. Does ton of damage and can CC train for days.

At least I’m on a team, and I’m glad snuffles kicked you out. You play meta builds but yield really bad results LMAO.

I didn’t get kicked, I left. And I’m pretty sure Snuffles only keeps you because he can’t find anyone else. You should hear what Free says about you in his whispers lololol.

BTW it was fun literally 1v2ing you and Snuffles the other day.

Man im so mad I wasn’t able to get home until an hour after the tourney started!!! ARGHHHHHH

#Lyfe2Hard

Poison spam, dodge binding blade, whirl and sword 3. If you land the stolen daze its an easy 6k damage while they can’t do anything.

No point in arguing with you guys. Just please don’t end up on my team.

#MMRplz

Power shatters hit because of IP and sword immobilize. Also because of greatsword 2 from stealth. Condi mes has nothing to land shatters. Necro doesn’t have lower condi damage than mesmer. It’s not even close. And you’re saying to use the block when they use AoE but they can still dodge lol. In a teamfight you literally do NOTHING at all with this build. If there’s just one shout warrior then it basically becomes 4v5 because you can’t do any damage. This build isn’t good dude. Stop telling new players it is, they might actually believe you.

Schwarheit don’t talk bro, you play turret engi half the time and the other half you play an awful build where you stun people and then axe auto LOL. Ill bet 100g I can even beat you on shoutbow while playing 5 signet GS warrior.

messiah.1908:

Elitist.8701:

The reason Condi mesmer isn’t viable is because there isn’t a single thing you can do that a necromancer can’t do. Mesmer has Condi burst? Not even close. 700 DPS from 3 bleeds and 2 torment isn’t DPS or burst. 2k DPS from 7 bleeds, poison, and fear, that’s burst, and on top of that they’re CCed as well and have chill, cripple, and tons of other cover conditions. Don’t even try to compare condi mesmer and shatter mesmer DPS.

there are lots of things mtd can do that necro cant

necro:
maninly bleed stacks with scepter an dagger skills which if not avoided ca be around 10 stacks.
poison mainly with staff for aoe but cd is every 16 sec
torment only 3 aoe stacks every 40 sec
fear chain every 20 sec
signet if used can cover the conditions
average dps with 10 bleed stacks and 3 torment and poison is
1000+500+240=1740 dps + fear 2 ticks is 2000 dmg.
so assuming 5 sec conditions ticks it will be 10700 total dmg.

is it repeatable ? only with AA scepter mainly and dagger

now mesmer:
with the same concept AA with scpeter proc torment up to 4-5 stacks which will do around 800 dps (also direct dmg higher then the necro scepter) compare to the necro scepter 6 bleed and poison 840 dps

scepter block proc 5 torment every 8 sec – 800 dps compare to scepter grasping hand 2 bleed and cripple aoe
torch blind and aoe burn compare to dagger blind and transfer condition – so more dmg for the mesmer
image proc confusion if his compare to dagger 2 bleed and weakness aoe

now mesmer shatter can proc in average fight 6 torment and 6 confusion (i can go higher around 10 torment and 10 confusion and with prefect shatter 15 torment and 10 confusion) thus doing 1000 dps and when using skill is another 1000 dmg per skill used. and its repeatable every 20 sec or lower
necro ds skills beside the fear are more cc with chill and immobilize and 3 torment thus leavig with fear as his burst dmg

mesmer have cover condition with burning bleed weakness vulnerability poison

so mesmer average dmg will be
burning 700
bleed 3-4 stacks 350
poison – 240
torment 6 stacks – 900
confusion – 1000 per skills used
total for 5 sec and 2 skills used is 13k and with good burst proc it can be 20k dmg

now necro have more cc that is true (and also engi) that is what makes them valuable

Against good players you’ll almost never land an MtD shatter. Even if you do, necro can get the same amount of pressure by scepter autoattacking. Also you assume that people will eat the scepter block. That’s an awful assumption and I highly doubt you’re at the skill level where you can bait dodges. Not only that, but, I played MtD once in a match. Luckily I had some good players on my team to carry me because in a high MMR game where people know how to kite, MtD becomes 100% useless because you cant chase ANYTHING. A MEDI GUARD can outrun you.

Booms.2594:

its easier but required and there’s really no shame in using them

Medi Guard is more braindead than ele and engi tbh. Shoutbow is the easiest though.

Don’t play the build that Zenos is posting. Its an even worse version of Schwarheit’s awful build. I think Hambow is what you’re looking for. Does ton of damage and can CC train for days.

They’re completely balanced, and if this actually happened we’d be in an extreme cele meta with 4 celes and necro on EVERY TEAM.

#No Thanks

Rosicky I know you think that Thief and Mes are OP and Necro sucks, but having played all 3 classes I can say that Mesmer is the worst off and while Necro has some difficulty vs thieves, it’s really not that bad. Its a player skill issue.

This is great. I wanted to do AGs back in the day but late night on a weekend is an awful, awful timing for a tourney. Definitely gonna attract more people because of the timing.

I played bunker guard in hotjoins the other day for fun. I assure you that there is no bunker in the game that can survive 3-4 average players for more than 30 seconds. Not only that, but bunker guard is AWFUL in this meta. If you can’t kill a cele on point with
3 people idk what to say dude.