Guild Wars 2

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LOL, what?? Mass transfers made the problem so the same thing will fix it? Only if those mass transfers were reversed. The reason the mass transfers did not work (I believe you said this yourself in another post) was that they did not do the ratings reset with short matches to re-balance everything.

Show me another matchup besides T8 that has stayed in the same place for 3+ months while the winning server has won by as much as SF has. Then I might believe it is more than a broken system.

You keep saying it is fixing itself but you are incorrect. You do not see the current system as broken even though you have stated that. Everything you say is telling us, the players, to do workarounds and ignore that there is an actual problem. When in reality, Anet needs to fix this.

Even Anet stated that the time it should take to balance would be short, which obviously it is not. And nobody is asking for sweeping changes of everything. There are all kinds of ideas worth looking into that are not “Sweeping changes”.

First of all, it’s been about two months and 11 days since SF fell into tier 8. So this whole “3+ months” crap is just plain wrong. And the first three weeks of those matches were not nearly as imbalanced as they are now (In fact, the first week SF was in tier 8 the point difference between first place and third was barely over 30,000 points at the end of the week. Which is a VERY small margin. Oh, and SF came in second place that week. Didn’t even win.)

That means you’ve only been experiencing these imbalanced matches for about a month and a half. Which is about half the amount of time you’re claiming.

Most of the lower tiers have had very little deviation in rank since Kaineng got up to where it is. Which was only a week or two after SF started dominating tier 8. And while there has been SOME movement in tiers since then, you also have to remember that tiers above 8 have room to move both up and down. Tier 8 is not afforded that luxury, so it’s only natural and logical that it’s a less volatile tier than the other ones.

Niim.9260:

Just because you can take everything doesn’t mean you should (in a match where points no longer matter).

I’ve thought about making a similar suggestion, but felt like it would read too much like me whining about nightcapping.

The score certainly is not an important part of this matchup, but it would be nice if the disparity in points was not so great that SoS joins TC/FA in bouncing back and forth between tier 2 and 3 every week. This is the most balanced tier 3 match we’ve had since we got here and I wouldn’t mind seeing it continue for a few more weeks, rather than see either of those servers come back down.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

EnRohbi.2187:

Ungood.3054:

Quoting this made the post too long to submit

The problem with just reseting the scores is that there are balance problems through all tiers. Tier 8 is the only tier that’s really going to benefit from a ratings reset. (Yes, I’m aware many of my arguments are along the lines of “Anet won’t upset the many to fix the problems of the few”, but it’s still valid here).

I spoke out a lot against the ratings reset when they had it planned, because of how they had it planned to execute. If a ratings reset were accompanied by 24-72 hour matches again (To “Gather data”, just like after launch), I would strongly support the move.

The issue being that if they JUST reset the ratings and then leave it to sort itself out with 7 day matches, it’d take many weeks where every tier would be unbalanced. I was honestly surprised they’d chosen to cancel the score reset instead of just shortening matches for a week or two.

Either way,
SF is getting closer and closer to HoD’s rating,
If everyone in tier 8 is correct and HoD would be a more balanced match than SF is, then this will sort itself out in another couple weeks.
If everyone in tier 8 is wrong and HoD stomps them as much as SF has been, then no amount of ratings resets or tampering with Glicko will solve anything either.

Well, I agree with this. The score should have been reset with short matches to re-balance everything after free transfers ended. My only problem with short matches is it is not necessarily a level playing field. Playing times differ for each server, each day so you are not getting the full picture of a servers WvW population trends. Not a big problem but it takes the control factor out of the equation, where with weekly matches you are getting the full picture of that server’s WvW forces.

We are getting closer but unless HoD gets tanked we are still in this “broken Tier” for at least several more weeks. And it has been over 3 months already. With the score differential it is obvious they need to fix SOMETHING. There have been lots of ideas that deserve looking into. No solution is perfect but ignoring the problem (or declaring mass transfer have to be made) is just not practical.

And not everyone in T8 thinks HoD will stomp T8. I think ET and FC can be as good as some other servers but the length of this stale matchup has them burned out. Hell, we on SF are getting (or already are) burned out and we are winning this!

Mass Transfers put WvW into the state its in today. If it was practical enough to cause the problem it is certainly practical enough to alleviate it. Massive WvW Population imbalances are going to be a part of this game for a very, very long time because of how bad everyone made it when free transfers were in effect (And are still continuing to do on a diminished scale since Paid Transfers were implemented).

And getting burned out on stale matches is something that every tier has to get used to at one time or another. Stale matches are the solution to population imbalances, putting everyone in the closest to fair matches as possible. Everyone incorrectly looks at stagnancy as a problem that needs to be fixed, where the only case this may be true is in tier 8.

Furthermore,
SF is projected to gain about 50 points this week, out of the 100~ they need to move up to tier 7. If next week is a repeat of this week in tier 7 and 8, HoD might be switching down sooner than you expect.
But whether it takes two weeks or two more months, it is a problem that IS fixing itself with time, and for Anet to make any sweeping changes that would effect everyone at this point would be jumping the gun a bit.

Azure Prower.8701:

Score update.

Edited: aaaaand all green.

It’s amazing how much SoS now mirrors DB a couple months ago.
All through the day and NA primetime, scores would be even.
Then people go to bed and suddenly you shoot up to +695 and rake in the actual lead overnight. Before tier 3 DB would routinely hit +695 just about every morning.

It is somewhat unpleasant being on the receiving end of it :P

I don’t care so much about the final score,
But with DB/SoS/YB being so evenly matched for most of the day make for a really good matchup, I don’t want to see SoS go back up to tier 2 too soon and us go back to getting stomped by FA/TC all day.

Ungood.3054:

Quoting this made the post too long to submit

The problem with just reseting the scores is that there are balance problems through all tiers. Tier 8 is the only tier that’s really going to benefit from a ratings reset. (Yes, I’m aware many of my arguments are along the lines of “Anet won’t upset the many to fix the problems of the few”, but it’s still valid here).

I spoke out a lot against the ratings reset when they had it planned, because of how they had it planned to execute. If a ratings reset were accompanied by 24-72 hour matches again (To “Gather data”, just like after launch), I would strongly support the move.

The issue being that if they JUST reset the ratings and then leave it to sort itself out with 7 day matches, it’d take many weeks where every tier would be unbalanced. I was honestly surprised they’d chosen to cancel the score reset instead of just shortening matches for a week or two.

Either way,
SF is getting closer and closer to HoD’s rating,
If everyone in tier 8 is correct and HoD would be a more balanced match than SF is, then this will sort itself out in another couple weeks.
If everyone in tier 8 is wrong and HoD stomps them as much as SF has been, then no amount of ratings resets or tampering with Glicko will solve anything either.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

EnRohbi.2187:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

EnRohbi.2187:

If you had a game with bugs and problems in just about every single aspect of the entire thing. What would you fix first? The issues that affect everyone, or the issues that affect like 5% of the playerbase?
No, I do not know for a stated fact that Anet will not prioritize tier 8, but they would be foolish to do so when there are so many other areas of the game that need to be fixed first.

Also,
If anyone in tier 8 actually looked at the ratings lately,
They would see SF gaining 40-50 points this week, and being less than 100 ratings points away from HoD’s score.
The system is balancing itself out, just as it should.

But of course, after a few weeks of HoD steamrolling tier 8, you’ll all be back here complaining about that too.

Do you know what you are typing? First, the system balancing itself out is taking over 3 MONTHS. That is not just as it should unless you know specifically that Anet intended this?

And if it happens to HoD, is your solution for all of them to transfer also? That is not fixing anything and you know it. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I know exactly what I’m typing, that’s why I typed it.
The system is working as intended. The playerbase balance is kittened, sure, but the system is working the way it was designed to work.

Anet intended a scoring system to keep the most evenly matched servers facing against each other. The system itself is not built to have volatile matches, it is built for quite the opposite, to keep servers in place until there’s a power shift.

ET and FC are in a kittenty place. Never denied that. They are two servers that are so far separated in terms of coverage that there is no third server in the game that would be a balanced match against them. And it sucks for them. But unless you expect Anet to start merging servers (Which isn’t gonna happen. At least not to fix a WvW problem.), then it’s about time that tier 8 learns to accept that that is the reality of the game.

Now,
Would you like to have a conversation or would you like to just keep trying to imply I’m trolling you? Because your crying troll is getting a little old for me.

PS: If I were a troll, the fact I’ve kept you going so long would warrant this a complete success.

Again, you state your beliefs as facts and they simply are not. As you admitted in another post you do NOT know what Anet intends or why they planned certain things a certain way.

And telling people they have to transfer to “fix” Anet’s broken system is basically the same as them merging servers. So no go there either.

And you still (how many times do I have to type this) are not answering the questions directed at you. You are still, what was it, “disrupting normal on-topic discussion”.

Please stop responding to me,
You are not contributing to the thread at all, you are just telling me what you think is wrong with my posts.

Mudfin.4637:

So the sage advice we are getting from people not in T8 is to quit and move on to another server, right? Great! Love that advice! I love it so much I’m going to adapt it as my life’s creed. Then I’m going to teach it to my kids. I can see it now…

“Son, just remember when things get tough, when you feel like you can’t do anymore, that you won’t be successful…just quit. Go ahead, quit. Move on to easier avenues, options that aren’t so troublesome. Put aside all your earlier efforts and hard work. Who cares? Don’t try and make it better or fix it. Just quit! That a boy, son, you make me so proud! My son the quitter!”

Idiots, great advice…

Most parents I know actually do want their kid to take the safest/most secure route to success and would push them into it.
Think about any parent that has ever discouraged their kid from being an actor or a musician in favour of going to university and getting a business degree, or some equivalent.
They don’t exactly emphasize the “quitter” part, but that’s how reality plays out.

Also,
My advice was to figure out what’s most important to you, and if your wvw experience is more important than your server loyalty, consider moving somewhere better suited to you.

Because you can’t tell me that you honestly see there being a real solution to your problem anytime in the near future.
We could talk all day and night about what Anet COULD do to fix the problem, but if you look at things Anet has said in the past, and things they’ve done in the past, you’ll see that it very unlikely they’ll be doing anything that would really help tier 8. With the exception of maybe putting a ratings floor into it to prevent servers from becoming too far lost, but that is not a solution for imbalanced matches, only for stagnant imbalanced matches.

Josh P.1296:

EnRohbi.2187:

Josh P.1296:

EnRohbi.2187:

Josh P.1296:

EnRohbi.2187:

Josh P.1296:

Richard Nixon.6573:

Tobias Steele.2071:

… So far we are the most successful post mass exodus server and the only qq ing I see here is from you.

Dragonbrand had its exodus officially at tier 3. It is now (consistently) tier 3. Delta = 0.

Sea of Sorrows had its exodus at tier 1. It is now tier 3. Delta = -2.

Obviously its been a lot more since DB fell, but from where I’m standing, that claim isn’t true

1. DB’s was probably no where near as big as SoS’s
2. The only reason DB is back up is because of real mass exodus like HoD, ET, IoJ and SBI which happened after DB.
3. DB never been to T1.

1. I don’t think this is a competition about who had the bigger exodus.
2. No, DB rebuilt. People organized new guilds, we got new people playing WvW, we revitalized our morale, and we got a handful of guilds transfer in.
3. What does tier 1 have to do with anything?

But let’s look at this like it IS a contest, just for fun:
DB fell from the top ranked server in tier 3 to the bottom ranked server in tier 5.
SoS fell from the top of tier 1 to the top of tier 3.
And if you want to look at raw ranking spot drops, because numbers always help,
SoS went down 7 spots, DB went down 9.

DB couldn’t even rub 10 people together on their home BL during primetime after our exodus. SoS landed firmly at the top of tier 3 and is back to winning again after, what, three weeks? A month?

EDIT: In case my tone is unclear, this post is… let’s say “lighthearted”.

1. So then you know that SoS had a bigger exodus ;D
2. Yes, DB’s exodus happened in t3 while transfers were still free and as you stated, you gained a few guilds after your fall. Easier to have your rise amongst the lower tiers. SoS will never get back to the top of T1 and I don’t see any guilds wanting to transfer to us either. Also please don’t be ignorant. HoD, ET, IoJ, and SBI was a main factor seeing as they’ve fallen down the ranks resulting in DB being boosted up again.
3. ^

To disregard DB’s rebuilding because of other servers falling apart is almost like if I were to say “It doesn’t mean anything that SoS was once the #1 server because the only reason they got there was because HoD fell apart and boosted SoS up in ranks”.

DB rebuilt because DB rebuilt.

Also, in case you haven’t noticed (I bet you have, SoS ;D), Paid Transfers haven’t really done anything to stop mass transfers. So I don’t see how that makes much of a difference.

It’s not the same broskii. HoD and ET falling down boosted just about everyone, but them solely falling down did not put us straight to #1. DB had their exodus first. For all you know, if those 4 servers didn’t fall down, DB wouldn’t be back where it was then you wouldn’t be able to claim your “delta = 0”.

@ your 3rd point, I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about. So I’m just going to repeat myself. The difference is it is certain SoS will never be #1 again, and is probably certain that we won’t gain any significant transfers to make a difference (especially with paid transfers now) not to mention our “rise back” would have to happen within T2 & T1 where the competition is most likely significantly more challenging and competitive than from the tiers DB “rose back” from. DB received transfers (again as you have stated) and additional to that was aided by 4 servers falling below you in order for DB to be “delta = 0”. So far SoS has received no transfers since our exodus and no other mass exodus server has fallen below us. Alas, you cannot say DB has been the most successful “post exodus” server ;D

/end of discussion

I wasn’t the one who claimed Delta = 0.
Pay attention to who you’re talking to.

/end of discussion (See? Anyone can do that)

I was paying attention and I was going to put it as “so your friend can’t claim delta = 0” but I thought it is all relevant to just say you since I was quoting you and you are trying to argue why DB is the most successful “post exodus server” which is basically what this little argument is about.

And I guess if that is all you have to reply with then
GG.

Think before you engaged in an argument next time.

/Ended

I said in my original post it was intended as a lighthearted thing.
I intended to engage in no argument (Since, you know, that was the stupidest topic for an argument that could have come up), but then you got back at me being all serious and stuff.

That’s also why I had nothing else to reply with,
Because I’m not taking it particularly seriously, and I had no interest in being a part of an actual argument.

Josh P.1296:

EnRohbi.2187:

Josh P.1296:

EnRohbi.2187:

Josh P.1296:

Richard Nixon.6573:

Tobias Steele.2071:

… So far we are the most successful post mass exodus server and the only qq ing I see here is from you.

Dragonbrand had its exodus officially at tier 3. It is now (consistently) tier 3. Delta = 0.

Sea of Sorrows had its exodus at tier 1. It is now tier 3. Delta = -2.

Obviously its been a lot more since DB fell, but from where I’m standing, that claim isn’t true

1. DB’s was probably no where near as big as SoS’s
2. The only reason DB is back up is because of real mass exodus like HoD, ET, IoJ and SBI which happened after DB.
3. DB never been to T1.

1. I don’t think this is a competition about who had the bigger exodus.
2. No, DB rebuilt. People organized new guilds, we got new people playing WvW, we revitalized our morale, and we got a handful of guilds transfer in.
3. What does tier 1 have to do with anything?

But let’s look at this like it IS a contest, just for fun:
DB fell from the top ranked server in tier 3 to the bottom ranked server in tier 5.
SoS fell from the top of tier 1 to the top of tier 3.
And if you want to look at raw ranking spot drops, because numbers always help,
SoS went down 7 spots, DB went down 9.

DB couldn’t even rub 10 people together on their home BL during primetime after our exodus. SoS landed firmly at the top of tier 3 and is back to winning again after, what, three weeks? A month?

EDIT: In case my tone is unclear, this post is… let’s say “lighthearted”.

1. So then you know that SoS had a bigger exodus ;D
2. Yes, DB’s exodus happened in t3 while transfers were still free and as you stated, you gained a few guilds after your fall. Easier to have your rise amongst the lower tiers. SoS will never get back to the top of T1 and I don’t see any guilds wanting to transfer to us either. Also please don’t be ignorant. HoD, ET, IoJ, and SBI was a main factor seeing as they’ve fallen down the ranks resulting in DB being boosted up again.
3. ^

To disregard DB’s rebuilding because of other servers falling apart is almost like if I were to say “It doesn’t mean anything that SoS was once the #1 server because the only reason they got there was because HoD fell apart and boosted SoS up in ranks”.

DB rebuilt because DB rebuilt.

Also, in case you haven’t noticed (I bet you have, SoS ;D), Paid Transfers haven’t really done anything to stop mass transfers. So I don’t see how that makes much of a difference.

It’s not the same broskii. HoD and ET falling down boosted just about everyone, but them solely falling down did not put us straight to #1. DB had their exodus first. For all you know, if those 4 servers didn’t fall down, DB wouldn’t be back where it was then you wouldn’t be able to claim your “delta = 0”.

@ your 3rd point, I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about. So I’m just going to repeat myself. The difference is it is certain SoS will never be #1 again, and is probably certain that we won’t gain any significant transfers to make a difference (especially with paid transfers now) not to mention our “rise back” would have to happen within T2 & T1 where the competition is most likely significantly more challenging and competitive than from the tiers DB “rose back” from. DB received transfers (again as you have stated) and additional to that was aided by 4 servers falling below you in order for DB to be “delta = 0”. So far SoS has received no transfers since our exodus and no other mass exodus server has fallen below us. Alas, you cannot say DB has been the most successful “post exodus” server ;D

/end of discussion

I wasn’t the one who claimed Delta = 0.
Pay attention to who you’re talking to.

/end of discussion (See? Anyone can do that)

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

EnRohbi.2187:

If you had a game with bugs and problems in just about every single aspect of the entire thing. What would you fix first? The issues that affect everyone, or the issues that affect like 5% of the playerbase?
No, I do not know for a stated fact that Anet will not prioritize tier 8, but they would be foolish to do so when there are so many other areas of the game that need to be fixed first.

Also,
If anyone in tier 8 actually looked at the ratings lately,
They would see SF gaining 40-50 points this week, and being less than 100 ratings points away from HoD’s score.
The system is balancing itself out, just as it should.

But of course, after a few weeks of HoD steamrolling tier 8, you’ll all be back here complaining about that too.

Do you know what you are typing? First, the system balancing itself out is taking over 3 MONTHS. That is not just as it should unless you know specifically that Anet intended this?

And if it happens to HoD, is your solution for all of them to transfer also? That is not fixing anything and you know it. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I know exactly what I’m typing, that’s why I typed it.
The system is working as intended. The playerbase balance is kittened, sure, but the system is working the way it was designed to work.

Anet intended a scoring system to keep the most evenly matched servers facing against each other. The system itself is not built to have volatile matches, it is built for quite the opposite, to keep servers in place until there’s a power shift.

ET and FC are in a kittenty place. Never denied that. They are two servers that are so far separated in terms of coverage that there is no third server in the game that would be a balanced match against them. And it sucks for them. But unless you expect Anet to start merging servers (Which isn’t gonna happen. At least not to fix a WvW problem.), then it’s about time that tier 8 learns to accept that that is the reality of the game.

Now,
Would you like to have a conversation or would you like to just keep trying to imply I’m trolling you? Because your crying troll is getting a little old for me.

PS: If I were a troll, the fact I’ve kept you going so long would warrant this a complete success.

geekanerd.4123:

EnRohbi.2187:

-I explained that Anet is not going to prioritize tier 8 because there is simply not enough of their wvw playerbase in tier 8 to warrant them addressing it before the countless other issues with WvW and GW2 in general.

Then I had you calling me a troll in every.single.subsequent.post (Including the most recent that I am responding to now).
Just because you’ve never dealt with someone who’s a little blunt doesn’t mean they’re a troll.

Mostly just because I’m curious, do you have some sort of insight into what exactly ArenaNet prioritizes? Some sort of source in the company? Because I’m sure the rest of us would love to be enlightened as to exactly how ANet makes decisions. You should share some of that knowledge.

No? Then it’s just speculation, and speculation isn’t a substitute for facts. You don’t know what Anet is going to do anymore than any of us other schlubs. And being blunt doesn’t make you right, in any case.

If you had a game with bugs and problems in just about every single aspect of the entire thing. What would you fix first? The issues that affect everyone, or the issues that affect like 5% of the playerbase?
No, I do not know for a stated fact that Anet will not prioritize tier 8, but they would be foolish to do so when there are so many other areas of the game that need to be fixed first.

Also,
If anyone in tier 8 actually looked at the ratings lately,
They would see SF gaining 40-50 points this week, and being less than 100 ratings points away from HoD’s score.
The system is balancing itself out, just as it should.

But of course, after a few weeks of HoD steamrolling tier 8, you’ll all be back here complaining about that too.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

OK, the first one is on topic, that is true. My apologies.

The rest do not address the topic or the broken system that causes the topic, so ya, not on topic.

And again, you are still only addressing me in all your posts and not the others who have replied to your posts. So, again, guess what definition that falls under?

I never take exception to actual contribution to the topic (hence the apology up there) but I will point out that you are bringing absolutely nothing to the table besides admitting it is broken. Telling everyone that they put themselves into a broken system on purpose doesn’t even make sense, let alone it is off-topic. Being blunt? Maybe, but your bluntness is part of your problem especially when it is not on topic.

I am getting tired of this. Please actually reply to the other folks who replied to you and stay on topic this time. Topic: Tier 8 Points Extremely Scewed

You’re still sitting there doing nothing but picking apart my posts and how I choose to present them.
You are being more off-topic than I am, so how about you go ahead and try to keep it focused?

Josh P.1296:

EnRohbi.2187:

Josh P.1296:

Richard Nixon.6573:

Tobias Steele.2071:

… So far we are the most successful post mass exodus server and the only qq ing I see here is from you.

Dragonbrand had its exodus officially at tier 3. It is now (consistently) tier 3. Delta = 0.

Sea of Sorrows had its exodus at tier 1. It is now tier 3. Delta = -2.

Obviously its been a lot more since DB fell, but from where I’m standing, that claim isn’t true

1. DB’s was probably no where near as big as SoS’s
2. The only reason DB is back up is because of real mass exodus like HoD, ET, IoJ and SBI which happened after DB.
3. DB never been to T1.

1. I don’t think this is a competition about who had the bigger exodus.
2. No, DB rebuilt. People organized new guilds, we got new people playing WvW, we revitalized our morale, and we got a handful of guilds transfer in.
3. What does tier 1 have to do with anything?

But let’s look at this like it IS a contest, just for fun:
DB fell from the top ranked server in tier 3 to the bottom ranked server in tier 5.
SoS fell from the top of tier 1 to the top of tier 3.
And if you want to look at raw ranking spot drops, because numbers always help,
SoS went down 7 spots, DB went down 9.

DB couldn’t even rub 10 people together on their home BL during primetime after our exodus. SoS landed firmly at the top of tier 3 and is back to winning again after, what, three weeks? A month?

EDIT: In case my tone is unclear, this post is… let’s say “lighthearted”.

1. So then you know that SoS had a bigger exodus ;D
2. Yes, DB’s exodus happened in t3 while transfers were still free and as you stated, you gained a few guilds after your fall. Easier to have your rise amongst the lower tiers. SoS will never get back to the top of T1 and I don’t see any guilds wanting to transfer to us either. Also please don’t be ignorant. HoD, ET, IoJ, and SBI was a main factor seeing as they’ve fallen down the ranks resulting in DB being boosted up again.
3. ^

To disregard DB’s rebuilding because of other servers falling apart is almost like if I were to say “It doesn’t mean anything that SoS was once the #1 server because the only reason they got there was because HoD fell apart and boosted SoS up in ranks”.

DB rebuilt because DB rebuilt.

Also, in case you haven’t noticed (I bet you have, SoS ;D), Paid Transfers haven’t really done anything to stop mass transfers. So I don’t see how that makes much of a difference.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

T8 has their feeling hurt?
Accusing us of putting ourselves into a broken system?
Calling someone self-entitled?

That is making fun of people sir. You said all of that in your posts.

Your suggestion are not to the topic and do not fix the broken system (which you admitted to).

And I did not disregard what you had to say, I just do not respond to someone who is making no contribution to the actual conversation (not the conversation you are trying to make with junk posts). They are mutually exclusive because I didn’t put the broken system into place.

Topic: Points Extremely Scewed

Please, kindly point out what you had in your posts that addresses that topic. (Besides admitting the system is broken)

Nice try on the troll-reversal, sad tactic. You are just avoiding answering the real questions here.

For someone who doesn’t respond to someone who is making no contribution to the actual conversation (Verbatim what you said), you have already derailed the thread enough to get the whole thing locked.

Please, kindly point out what you had in your posts that addresses that topic. (Besides admitting the system is broken)

I’m going to completely ignore how you’ve NOT ONLY pointed out what I said that addresses the topic, but then proceed to tell me I can’t use it as an example.

-I said tier 8 is broken
-I suggested that players on tier 8 take into consideration whether server loyalty or having fun in WvW is more important, and to transfer if they choose the latter
-I explained that Anet is not going to prioritize tier 8 because there is simply not enough of their wvw playerbase in tier 8 to warrant them addressing it before the countless other issues with WvW and GW2 in general.

Then I had you calling me a troll in every.single.subsequent.post (Including the most recent that I am responding to now).
Just because you’ve never dealt with someone who’s a little blunt doesn’t mean they’re a troll.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LOL, notice this guy won’t respond to anyone but me? Because all he can do is defend not being a troll because he is contributing nothing to the actual conversation here so he doesn’t respond to anyone else.

I’ll give you a hint about my forum-going methods.
I don’t look at the names of people who post.

Until you pointed it out, I didn’t even realize I was responding to the same person every time. I already gave my input to the conversation, something that nobody has even acknowledged except to call me a troll or otherwise attack me because I don’t believe Anet should waste their time and money fixing a problem that effects only a very small minority of the wvw population in this game.

I stand by my “self entitled” opinion.
Anyone who doesn’t think Anet should make tier 8 their top priority is a “troll” and not contributing anything.

Josh P.1296:

Richard Nixon.6573:

Tobias Steele.2071:

… So far we are the most successful post mass exodus server and the only qq ing I see here is from you.

Dragonbrand had its exodus officially at tier 3. It is now (consistently) tier 3. Delta = 0.

Sea of Sorrows had its exodus at tier 1. It is now tier 3. Delta = -2.

Obviously its been a lot more since DB fell, but from where I’m standing, that claim isn’t true

1. DB’s was probably no where near as big as SoS’s
2. The only reason DB is back up is because of real mass exodus like HoD, ET, IoJ and SBI which happened after DB.
3. DB never been to T1.

1. I don’t think this is a competition about who had the bigger exodus.
2. No, DB rebuilt. People organized new guilds, we got new people playing WvW, we revitalized our morale, and we got a handful of guilds transfer in.
3. What does tier 1 have to do with anything?

But let’s look at this like it IS a contest, just for fun:
DB fell from the top ranked server in tier 3 to the bottom ranked server in tier 5.
SoS fell from the top of tier 1 to the top of tier 3.
And if you want to look at raw ranking spot drops, because numbers always help,
SoS went down 7 spots, DB went down 9.

DB couldn’t even rub 10 people together on their home BL during primetime after our exodus. SoS landed firmly at the top of tier 3 and is back to winning again after, what, three weeks? A month?

EDIT: In case my tone is unclear, this post is… let’s say “lighthearted”.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

EnRohbi.2187:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

EnRohbi.2187:

No, higher tiers don’t know how it FEELS because we know it sucks so we didn’t put ourselves in that position.

LOL, now who sounds entitled? Do you honestly think we put ourselves in this position on purpose? LOL, oh the irony. You aren’t one of those who transferred off your original creation world to find a “better” WvW server, are you?

Why are you posting on a T8 thread anyways? Troll much? Just because what we are experiencing means nothing to you does not make our points invalid. So you coming here and stating these things on a T8 thread that has nothing to do with you just shows what kind of class you have.

Please, if you do not want to hear our complaints about the system, stay off our threads and do not read them. Very simple. However if you continue coming onto our threads with this junk it will just show you for what you are, a troll.

No, been on the same server since launch. Through good times and guild exoduses.

And I’m posting on a tier 8 thread because it’s in a public WvW forum for the entire game, and I have input to give.
If you don’t want people from other tiers posting in it, you should go post it on your server’s forum (If you have one).

But, alas, this is the way public forums work.

And yes, I do think you put yourself in this situation on purpose. You have options.
You have had an ample amount of time to find a new home if tier 8 is so unplayable for you. I’m all for server loyalty and not bandwagoning away when things get tough, but when the reality of the game is that YOUR TIER IS BROKEN, it’s okay to find a new home that satisfies your WvW needs.

Good for you, I like hearing about people who stayed on their creation world. T8 is playable for me, nobody is talking about playability (like my new word?). And as for you coming here with your input, making fun of others as you have done and making no contribution to the actual conversation if the thread is trolling by definition. (In Internet slang, a troll (pron.: /?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is someone who posts inflammatory,¹ extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response² or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion)

As you just stated, T8 is BROKE. Guess what genius? That means it needs fixing. not ignoring, which is what you suggest. How can you suggest we put ourselves in this place yet you also admit the system is broken?

I didn’t make fun of anyone,
And I actually did make a contribution,
I gave you suggestions about what to do.

Just because you’ve chosen to disregard what I had to say doesn’t mean I didn’t have anything to say. And it certainly doesn’t make me a troll.

Having a broken system and putting yourself in a bad situation are not mutually exclusive in this case. In fact, with the exception of responding to people who have nothing better to say except that I’m a troll or that I have no business posting in a tier 8 thread (All off-topic or “extraneous” in themselves), I have not posted anything off topic in this thread.

Doesn’t that make you the troll?

vespers.1759:

EnRohbi.2187:

vespers.1759:

EnRohbi.2187:

vespers.1759:

Rayya.2591:

vespers.1759:

lol @ glass canon thief. nobody doesn’t play a glass canon thief. that invis is way way better than any armor.

Yes invisibility would save you when 2 zergs of 50 players collide.
Nobody will hit you, because you are invisible, and you are imune at aoe.
Specialy with 1900 armor /12000 hp (glass cannon thief)

people don’t usually drop AoE on themselves or behind their zerg. and i think there’s enough videos out there of thiefs running amok in zergs to know it can be done… easily.

L2P your faceroll class.

Those are terrible zergs.
It takes 1 (One) competent player in the entire group to kitten up that thief’s day.

how would you know? when i played on dragonbrand? you just stood in L.A. all day…

I don’t…
Know what point you’re trying to make.

Game’s been out for over 6 months, that is ample time to play WvW and sit in LA for a while.

i’m just wondering how one learns about PvP by standing in L.A. fact is thieves don’t have much to worry about even with rogue AoE. they go invis so often most people won’t see them ikittenerg fight or will lose track of them instantly when they go invis and run away.

huh… zerg vs zerg is censored. GG anet.

One learns to PvP by PvPing. Which I do, in WvW, for hours every day.

I haven’t hung out in LA unless I’ve been actually AFK since the fall.
That’s an entire season ago, and long past irrelevant at this point.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

EnRohbi.2187:

No, higher tiers don’t know how it FEELS because we know it sucks so we didn’t put ourselves in that position.

LOL, now who sounds entitled? Do you honestly think we put ourselves in this position on purpose? LOL, oh the irony. You aren’t one of those who transferred off your original creation world to find a “better” WvW server, are you?

Why are you posting on a T8 thread anyways? Troll much? Just because what we are experiencing means nothing to you does not make our points invalid. So you coming here and stating these things on a T8 thread that has nothing to do with you just shows what kind of class you have.

Please, if you do not want to hear our complaints about the system, stay off our threads and do not read them. Very simple. However if you continue coming onto our threads with this junk it will just show you for what you are, a troll.

No, been on the same server since launch. Through good times and guild exoduses.

And I’m posting on a tier 8 thread because it’s in a public WvW forum for the entire game, and I have input to give.
If you don’t want people from other tiers posting in it, you should go post it on your server’s forum (If you have one).

But, alas, this is the way public forums work.

And yes, I do think you put yourself in this situation on purpose. You have options.
You have had an ample amount of time to find a new home if tier 8 is so unplayable for you. I’m all for server loyalty and not bandwagoning away when things get tough, but when the reality of the game is that YOUR TIER IS BROKEN, it’s okay to find a new home that satisfies your WvW needs.

vespers.1759:

EnRohbi.2187:

vespers.1759:

Rayya.2591:

vespers.1759:

lol @ glass canon thief. nobody doesn’t play a glass canon thief. that invis is way way better than any armor.

Yes invisibility would save you when 2 zergs of 50 players collide.
Nobody will hit you, because you are invisible, and you are imune at aoe.
Specialy with 1900 armor /12000 hp (glass cannon thief)

people don’t usually drop AoE on themselves or behind their zerg. and i think there’s enough videos out there of thiefs running amok in zergs to know it can be done… easily.

L2P your faceroll class.

Those are terrible zergs.
It takes 1 (One) competent player in the entire group to kitten up that thief’s day.

how would you know? when i played on dragonbrand? you just stood in L.A. all day…

I don’t…
Know what point you’re trying to make.

Game’s been out for over 6 months, that is ample time to play WvW and sit in LA for a while.

Detharos.3157:

Even if they would dominate, that is really not the issue or the complaint at all. The complaint of tier 8 is always simply how long a dominating server takes to advance. How would those of you in tier 7-2 feel if a server in your tier could dominate you with 300k-400k+(in comparison to your 140k-ish score or whatever) scores every week, possessing the numbers two suppress both its competitors in their own borderlands AND control EB/press one other map simultaneously, and despite this disparity this server was stuck in your tier for 2-3 MONTHS. That’s the problem. You don’t know how it feels, and you never will know how it feels unless you drop here. Servers that dominate in your brackets like that advance within ONE WEEK. Here it can take up to a quarter year with the same server. Get it?

Anet doesn’t redesign WvW because tier 8 has their feelings hurt.
No, higher tiers don’t know how it FEELS because we know it sucks so we didn’t put ourselves in that position.

You can complain about people saying that any other server would dominate tier 8 all you want, but it doesn’t make it false. What good is it going to do for Anet to put their time and resources and money into fixing tier 8’s problem, if the very next week the server that replaces SF is going to be just as bad/worse?
You cannot seriously be so self entitled

vespers.1759:

Rayya.2591:

vespers.1759:

lol @ glass canon thief. nobody doesn’t play a glass canon thief. that invis is way way better than any armor.

Yes invisibility would save you when 2 zergs of 50 players collide.
Nobody will hit you, because you are invisible, and you are imune at aoe.
Specialy with 1900 armor /12000 hp (glass cannon thief)

people don’t usually drop AoE on themselves or behind their zerg. and i think there’s enough videos out there of thiefs running amok in zergs to know it can be done… easily.

L2P your faceroll class.

Those are terrible zergs.
It takes 1 (One) competent player in the entire group to kitten up that thief’s day.

You’ll get a lot of people telling you not to bother for whatever reason.

But really, it comes down to just how good you are as a glass cannon.
I run glass cannon equipment more often than not in WvW and I seldom felt like it was a hindrance to my ability to command. But Mesmers have a lot of extra tricks to stay alive regardless of their stats.

Basically,
As long as you know how to not die for as long as possible, you should be fine.

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Niim.9260:

Atine.8623:

Any SoS know how you guys got bay in DB BL, like 10mins ago? We are very frustrated because its been 4 days in a row that we lost the bay without getting contested (or barely). No accusations, just asking what happened.

In my experience DB is just really, really bad at scouting out white swords in a timely fashion.

I can tell you from discussions I heard internally (I was on the map at the time it happened today, and it was noticed as a pattern yesterday) that people were stationed inside Bay keep today specifically waiting for SoS to try it.

So where were they when the scouts inside bay first noticed them and did anyone check the gates before the keep was captured to see where they came in?

The keep flipped with them inside, and from what I gathered, without them even noticing it breached. I believe they did check for siege outside any gates or walls after the flip, of which they found none.

Niim.9260:

Atine.8623:

Any SoS know how you guys got bay in DB BL, like 10mins ago? We are very frustrated because its been 4 days in a row that we lost the bay without getting contested (or barely). No accusations, just asking what happened.

In my experience DB is just really, really bad at scouting out white swords in a timely fashion.

I can tell you from discussions I heard internally (I was on the map at the time it happened today, and it was noticed as a pattern yesterday) that people were stationed inside Bay keep today specifically waiting for SoS to try it.

Kardiamond.6952:

Harbinger.9645:

I am well aware of how it works. However, even if it buys you 2-3 seconds which some times it doesn’t because lets be real people know how to AoE (since you know we are talking versus a good player) and even that can kill you…but for the sake of this argument let’s just say against a good player you get 2-3 seconds. You are still dead after that 2-3 seconds if they are a good player. I fail to see the problem here. I can tell you from lots and lots of personal mesmer downed state experience that these abilities are little more than a momentary inconvenience to my enemies if they are good.

And this is an answer to everyone just pulling out this freaking (:)) answer every post.

How is wasting a player 2-3 second in a group fight, not an issue?

I will explain it with an example, so you all stop giving my this bullkitten (don’t want to sound rude, but people just don’t get it) reply.

2 engineer vs 2 mesmer.
Fight for 5 sec.
1 engineer get downed.
1 mesmer go for spiking, use invis or clone block or what ever methode to cancel the interrupt. Finish the engineer. 3 second.
Fight 2 on 1.

So for 5 sec it was 2on2. For 3 sec it was 1on1(1 mesmer finishing the eng). For the rest of the fight it was 2 mesmer vs 1 engineer.

Now lets swap the place.

2 mesmer vs 2 engineer.
Fight for 5 sec.
1 mesmer get downed.
1 engi go for the spike. Nothing to cancel the first interrupt, so you go for a stomp to waste is number 2. Waste 3 second.
Find him again after is number 2 stealth wear off. Stomp him again. Another 3-4 second.
Fight 2 on 1.

So for 5 sec it was 2 on 2. For 6-7 second it was 1on1. And for the rest it was 2on1.

So If you follow, that’s 3-4 guaranted more second you get to fight 1on1 even if you lsot your ally. That’s huge.

And any decent player know you should never DPS a mesmer. That’s way too much damage you’ll eat on your way.

Okay,
So I’m going to completely put aside the fact that you chose one, very, very specific situation out of millions of different possible combinations of battles and classes to prove your point.
I’m also going to put aside the fact you use Engineers (Who, as far as I’m aware, are renown for terrible Downed state) as your example, also just to prove your point.
I’m EVEN going to put aside the fact that no good Mesmer duo would ever even get Downed to an Engineer duo.

And say that your entire post is just an explanation of how Engineer’s down state needs to be buffed. Not why Mesmer’s needs to be nerfed.

I have noticed no difference in WvW play since they introduced ascended gear.

My win:loss ratio is virtually unchanged, and until last week the only piece of ascended gear I had was one ring. Now I have one ring and an amulet. No backpiece, no second ring, and no accessories.

I suspected people freaking out about ascended gear ruining GW2 were just being doomsayers, and I am more certain now.

BrimstoneAshe.5043:

EnRohbi.2187:

I don’t know how you consider our number 2 to be “premium”.
It doesn’t interrupt a stomp, it just moves you and stealths you so you don’t get hit by it.

By stealthing and moving during the stomp you in effect interrupt it. And side note… it interrupt’s multiple people are trying to stomp you at the same time. Some professions don’t have THAT luxury. Don’t act like you haven’t giggled when you rob 3 people of that first stomp. And as far as the second stomp, well the whole point of a number 2 downed state is to give yourself a couple of more seconds of opportunity. Either for you or your teammates to get back in the fight. Can we all agree we’ve seen more than a few people in WvW stomp a downed clone? So a mesmer’s #2 gives plenty of opportunity for a little more time.

I’m not saying Mesmer’s is the best, but it’s certainly one of the better.

“Effectively interrupted” is not the same as Interrupted. Don’t pretend I’m wrong about something because you want to make up your own definitions for the word “interrupted”. If you don’t port far enough away/come out of stealth before the stomp completes you’ll die from the stomp anyway, and that happens fairly frequently. I would like to know how you consider that to be one of the better Downed skills.

The only real advantage to our #2 downed skill compared to other classes is against Bads who don’t know to Stomp the second mesmer that reappears (As the first is always the clone).

Kardiamond.6952:

Now the issue isn’t number 3 of mesmer, it’s the whole package. They have a premium number 1, a premium number 2, and a premium number 3. All their downed are good. And they also have clone to support them.

I don’t know how you consider our number 2 to be “premium”.
It doesn’t interrupt a stomp, it just moves you and stealths you so you don’t get hit by it.
Every class has a Downed skill to perform the same function (Dodge or Interrupt a stomp):
Guardians get AoE knockback (Much rather have this than my blink/stealth),
Warriors get single target knockdown to interrupt a stomp,
Thieves get stealth and a shadowstep,
Elementalists get Mist Form (Also far better than Mesmer’s),
Necros get fear,
Rangers get Daze,
Engineers get an aoe knockback.

As far as the Stomp Dodge/Interrupts go (What a Mesmer’s #2 Downed Skill is), I would rate a Mesmer’s as below par. Certainly not “premium”.

And as I’ve stated in this thread previously,
If you have any idea how to deal with a Downed character at all, the enemy Mesmer should never be given a chance to even use Phantasmal Rogue, none the less Down you AND kill you because of it.

EDIT: Yes, our #1 downed skill can be handy because of Confusion. But it rarely actually saves me. And the rate of attack is much slower than the #1 skills on certain other Downed professions like Thieves.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Columba.9730:

Thieves are much much worse in downed state than mesmers.

Why? I certainly do not feel OP in my thief downed state. What am I doing wrong lol?

I don’t think any mesmer feels OP in their downed state either.
People just expect Downed players to be free kills and get kitten y when they’re not.

Phantasmal Rogue is virtually useless,
It’s like 1 out of every 20 Downs that I even get a chance to use it before I either rally or die. And even then, it’s like 1 out of every 10 Phantasmal Rogues that actually do enough damage for me to rally off.

Shadow.3475:

AOE pull should be LOS and half the range that single pull is so 300range.

The game mechanics actually prevent this from being possible in the same way the game mechanics prevent Anet from fixing it so you can’t shoot catapaults at the inside of a gate to damage rams on the outside.

The actual casting location could be, and already is, LOS. But AoE effects go through obstacles, and there’s no way to fix that that wouldn’t require them restructuring the entire way AoEs work.

Tobias Steele.2071:

EnRohbi.2187:

Pendragon.8735:

For us Yak’s Benders, what is the story here with SoS and DB. I’m not asking for any drama creation either, but rather just the very basics, did like half of SoS go to DB at some point.

Generally cultivating some rivalries can be a very good thing for a game like this, as long as people can be good natured about it, or at least here on the official forums.

The opposite,
DB was in a really good place for the first few weeks/first month after release and then we got hit with a guild exodus, like many other servers. With about half of those guilds leaving for SoS (I think the bulk of the rest of them went to Jade Quarry, but my memory isn’t what it used to be).
Then we, like many other servers, lost week after week until we fell down far enough to be competitive again and start rebuilding.
I have since forgotten all the guilds that left, except tsym, but that’s just a fluke of my memory more than anything.

/I/ consider it a friendly rivalry, but there seem to be others on DB out for blood.

If I’ve missed anything, anyone on DB who is sober more often than I am might be able to fill in the blanks. ;D

To be fair, db were getting belted for weeks even before they left. Actually I think that was largely the reason for their departure.

I don’t remember that to be true :P
I remember two waves of guilds leaving about a week or two apart, and I remember sitting pretty at the very top of tier 3 (One rank above where we’ve gotten back to now) and us winning pretty consistently before the guilds left. The second wave of guilds being the ones who left for SoS.

What I’d been told (As I wasn’t in one of the guilds that left, my information was largely second hand) was the main reason for the departure was that SoS already had a strong Oceanic presence and they were trying to stack a server with 24/7 coverage.

EDIT: Of course, 6 months later the smaller details hardly make a difference.

Pendragon.8735:

For us Yak’s Benders, what is the story here with SoS and DB. I’m not asking for any drama creation either, but rather just the very basics, did like half of SoS go to DB at some point.

Generally cultivating some rivalries can be a very good thing for a game like this, as long as people can be good natured about it, or at least here on the official forums.

The opposite,
DB was in a really good place for the first few weeks/first month after release and then we got hit with a guild exodus, like many other servers. With about half of those guilds leaving for SoS (I think the bulk of the rest of them went to Jade Quarry, but my memory isn’t what it used to be).
Then we, like many other servers, lost week after week until we fell down far enough to be competitive again and start rebuilding.
I have since forgotten all the guilds that left, except tsym, but that’s just a fluke of my memory more than anything.

/I/ consider it a friendly rivalry, but there seem to be others on DB out for blood.

If I’ve missed anything, anyone on DB who is sober more often than I am might be able to fill in the blanks. ;D

jportell.2197:

insanemaniac.2456:

Handin.4032:

That is a very ridiculous statement. You have no idea why the ledges are there, in fact, they’re probably just there for graphics sake, since you know….every castle has walls like that on top…

So to say using chain pulls should be a bannable offense is just laughable, at best….

your assertion is the ridiculous one. the ledges prevent line of sight in precisely the areas you most want to shoot. they serve no other purpose besides stopping pulls, the exact reason its extremely dangerous to jump up on them to get better line of sight.

i dont give a kitten about chain pulls. its when you pull people over an obvious obstruction that you should be reported.

The pull on a Mesmer is not LOS.. Its AOE like several other skills in this game… So putting a curtain up at the top of a wall anything with in the range of the pull is going to get pulled into it… How close you are to the curtain directly correlates to how far you get pulled. Most mesmers can not place the curtain at the horizontal part of the wall so if you are a tad to close to the edge of the wall then yes you are going to get pulled off by one pull…. If one Mesmer does it then his buddy does it right after then that’s teamwork not exploiting… and they deserver the free kills you are about to give them.

Not even a free kill.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been pulled off a wall only to zip right back into the keep before anyone can down me. It’s actually quite easy unless there are people waiting to stunlock you into place. And even then, you know, coordinated group play > single player me

I see a well defended keep

Wanderer.3248:

The Mesmer apologists would still say its fine if mesmers could fly into another servers spawn start one-shoting players from invisibility. They’d probably be happy if ANet just lined players up outside their spawn and held them down so they could zap them.

Would certainly make it a lot more convenient to get badges.

santi.7516:

lani.7431:

DB is focusing SOS more for one reason only… revenge. Doesn’t matter if the original guilds from back then are different. Those who were left behind and people who came after hearing about what happened hold a grudge. All around fun fights this week though I hope next week continues to be the same. This week is alot more balanced then the past week. It’s hard being the middle guy stuck in a tier for weeks on end but if this is the match up we will get more consistantly I for one will be happy.

Cool story bro. Focusing SoS so hard that you guys haven’t stoped to come at our BL since yesterday and when SoS comes it’s only gets worse, we enjoy TSYM, even if we lose against them because we can learn from them, but you feeding on our bones guys?, lol.

I don’t know what to tell you,
Sometimes we like easy points too? o;

Calvin.5380:

FrankieBonez.8361:

Sethryno.4651:

Hmmm somethings amis here. EA keep your dirty server smearing tactics out of this Match.

No smearing here. Elephant Ambush [EA] – Has been on Dragonbrand since day 1 and was there for our fall down the tiers after the mass exodus to SoS. Dragonbrand has fought back up and have finally gotten a shot at SoS again after the demolition at their hands the same week we lost our WvW guilds.

There’s also an [EA] on Yak’s Bend apparently lol.

BITERS WILL BE EATEN.

Yeah, [EA], [LION] were among the very few day-1 guilds that stayed. It gives me infinite pleasure to kill SoS folks now

Look [Tsym], we didn’t miss you at all :p

[Duel]‘s still kickin’ from day 1 too

Scarto.3260:

Guild Fang from SoS who attacked Hills on DB BL and got wiped.
Do you check your map before you attack a structure?

We, Yaks, held Hills on Db’s BL and you seriously want to take Hills from us instead of attacking the X other targets on this map? Or how about EB?

You just now helped DB take back Hills, because we couldn’t repair fast enough after you wiped at hills.
*sigh

I wasn’t there, but it looks like a thanks is in order.

Thank you, [Fang]!

coronbale.3894:

As far as the hate harbored by our old server, feel free.

I got no hate harbored, but a rematch between DB and SoS has been a long time coming since we were rather gutted immediately before the last one :P

With that said, I can’t deny there’s a certain satisfaction in fighting tsym on the battlefield again. Though I’ve only seen stragglers so far.

I’d like to see SoS stick around in tier 3

wads.5730:

As soon as someone uses “I stop paying attention…” as any part of their argument, 99 times out of 100 I stop paying attention right there.

good thing it was the last sentence in my post then.
Thank you for reading the whole thing.

GuardianOMS.8067:

An organized group is able to accomplish something that is otherwise seen as a minimal threat when one person does it?

No.

Way.

As soon as someone uses “an organized group can…” as any part of their argument why something needs to be nerfed, 99 times out of 100 I stop paying attention right there.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

I wasn’t being serious.

Well, neither was I.
An argument about whether or not a single character is out of place in someone’s name is hardly a serious conversation.

Why do you think I’d opted not to point it out myself in the first place? :P

If you’re transfering just to get out of a lopsided match, I don’t think you’re going to find any tier particularly safe.

Yeah, some might be balanced right now, but there’s no guarantee whatsoever they will still be balanced in two weeks.

Tier 3 has a chance to stabilize in the coming weeks thanks to SoS, I would at least stick it out until SoS settles somewhere, because if/when they fall out of tier 2 we’re not going to be stuck fighting FA or TC every week getting walked over.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Evalana.5480:

Lol, in Lenador’s defense, Evlana is my Necro’s name.

Nice cover.

She speaks truth though, I was going to point it out myself

Moddo.7105:

Like me for example I am a self made millionaire male model 3 time Nobel Prize winner with 9in male member who is secretly dating Kate Upton. But people don’t care about that.

You’re going with 9in in this fantasy?
Would think you’d break double digits at least.

Harrish.8743:

The risk is that other guilds transfer off SoS. If the transfers have stopped, you’ll settle somewhere in T3/T4. If more guilds transfer, you will go lower. There’s no chance you fall to T8 now that free transfers have ended.

Honestly,
Just looking at how SoS is doing in tier 2 right now, I am very confident that if no more guilds leave the server, they will either win tier 3 or be a close and very competitive second to DB.

SoS would walk over tier 4 with its hands tied behind its back though, I cannot see them falling that far unless the exodus isn’t over.

crewthief.8649:

Plutonium.1308:

Haha i remember when Henge of Denravi used to say that same stuff about stability.

Um…you mean for three or so weeks after launch? HoD didn’t last long at all…JQ has been in Tier 1 since launch (minus two weeks). Not even a comparison to be honest.

Not that I disagree with you on the difference between HoD and JQ,

But assuming that your server’s WvW population is stable is a huuuuuuge mistake. This is the same for every server in the game. I cannot count the times I’ve seen guilds on various servers talk about how loyal they are and how much server pride they have, only to bandwagon off the server to the next project three weeks later.

There is nothing “special” about JQ other than the fact that they have kept themselves from going through any really bad rough patches that actually test the commitment of their guilds.

Fizzlepip.5218:

Just kill the second Mesmer to appear.

You gave away our secret!

Jayne.9251:

saiyr.3071:

Bunzy.8674:

zaxon.6819:

magummas biggest downfall is our guys cant get off the forums talking crap

this pretty much sums up everything.

yeah our biggest downfall is literally hundreds of people from maguuma on the forums instead of in wvw

this coming from the king of talking crap himself

No. What happens is the trolls get under some folks skin and it winds up making their entire server a target. Given a choice of targeting a friendly server or targeting one that has people saying nasty things, it follows the latter would be more appealing. It’s human nature.

What happens on the forums does indeed translate in game.

I know a few of our folks were quite motivated after reading some of the posts in this thread, but perhaps that’s the point of the trolling — to get the fights going after them. There’s one fellow on (not to be named T1 server) that does this deliberately because he wants an entire server coming after his guild. He thinks it makes the fights better. That’s his prerogative, as it is anyone’s choice. But it winds up making the whole server deal with the fallout.

I have suspected since one of our first matches with Maguuma that their forum trolling (Particularly the OG squabblers) is very deliberate and thought out, and for a very similar purpose as to what you’re talking about.

It helps to change your mentality regarding their trolls though.
I, for one, just started to think of them as a joke instead of an annoyance. Maguuma forum warriors have been a lot more entertaining since then.

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

In a word…

No.

With your implosion coming after the switch to Paid Transfers you will probably settle in nicely in the T3-T5 range. Your PPT in T2 currently is much too high for a total freefall to T8.

With how they’re fairing in tier 2 right now,
And how I’ve seen other servers recently do in tier 2 compared to the same servers in tier 3,

I would say that as long as SoS does not lose any number of more guilds,
They will probably settle pretty nicely into the upper tier 3.

There is virtually no way SoS is going to fall to tier 8,
You have no idea how big the gap in skill is between tiers.

If you’re even pulling +100 PPT in tier 2 at any point in the day, you will settle far higher than tier 8.