Guild Wars 2

Eviator.9746:

DB brought in a huge zerg to stop YB from taking our BL.

A few minutes later, most went to Yak’s and ALL of YB came to DB BL. DB is looking for a big fight, so go back to your battlelands, YB!

I don’t know “stop YB from taking our BL” was our goal.

Exciting fights going on right now

Glenn.3417:

EnRohbi.2187:

Glenn.3417:

Beorn Saxon.4762:

Not with this patch, but they are planning to add them at some point.

They’ve been planning it since november/december……

They also said in november/december it’d take them a year to fully roll out ascended gear through the game.

Has it been a year yet?
If the answer is no, they are doing exactly what they’ve always said

Ascended gear through fotm
Ascended gear through laurels
Ascended gear through guild missions

Yet it takes a friggin year to enable them with wvw badges?
Seems like a 10 min job lol

I’m not saying I think it should take that long.

But if they say they’ll take a year to completely roll something out, it’s silly to complain that they don’t do it in less than half that time.

Glenn.3417:

Beorn Saxon.4762:

Not with this patch, but they are planning to add them at some point.

They’ve been planning it since november/december……

They also said in november/december it’d take them a year to fully roll out ascended gear through the game.

Has it been a year yet?
If the answer is no, they are doing exactly what they’ve always said

Bug fixes are not nerfs,
They are fixes.

DB can’t even get into wvw right now

bradderzh.2378:

Ruprect.7260:

bradderzh.2378:

I heard talk on the reveal being placed on the end of stealth regardless of how stealth ended. It’s not in the patch notes so I take it that didn’t happen?

•Stealth: The duration of Revealed has been increased to 4 seconds when coming out of stealth via an attack.

Lol, so the thieves that stealth abuse can carry on as they wish but those actually using stealth to activate the more powerful attacks suffer a drop in dps. That’s kinda funny xD.

How does no culling + longer revealed debuff allow stealth abuse to continue…?

Every thief in the game will be visible for a minimum of 4 seconds when they come out of stealth to attack. If they’re not attacking, I couldn’t care less if I can see them or not.
If you cannot burst/stun a thief to death in 4 seconds then stealth is not why you’re losing.

Cuchullain.3104:

Asglarek.8976:

Mike Ferguson: It’s a tough problem because it’s very based on your population. We actually want the movement to go the other way, instead of everyone crowding onto the bigger servers, we want people to be going out to the smaller servers, so we’re looking at a couple of different things – but nothing I can really talk about right now, unfortunately.

Here’s your fix Mike. Do not allow transfers to t1-4, limit character moves to once every 6 months, cap server transfers to x-players per week. easy fix

QFT. This is the solution to the bandwagoning problem.

Except people transfer for more reasons than just WvW,
And Anet has been about as clear as they possibly could be that PvE > WvW

Loki.4139:

Had someone show me this lol
poor tsym, glory hunters

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/70842-sea-of-sorrows-vs-dragonbrand-vs-maguuma/page__st__90

I’ma reply to this again.

I knew there was something different about TSYM this time around.
When/why did their tag change from TSym to TSYM?

Shanna.4762:

Does it really matter if the racial armors are available through WvW or not? lol

At 119g per tier 3 set, yes.
It would be nice to have another non-gold way to obtain them.

Monsoon.2589:

idari.4273:

all classes are good in their specific roles.

BAM thread closed

Asking this question is like asking: “What is the best food on a table?”

Or,
Maybe he was looking for people’s personal opinions and not a definitive best/worst class?

Some indications might be… him using the words “what you think”

Loki.4139:

Had someone show me this lol
poor tsym, glory hunters

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/70842-sea-of-sorrows-vs-dragonbrand-vs-maguuma/page__st__90

Huh
I don’t even remember NNK being around from that long ago.

But screenshots don’t lie

MiLkZz.4789:

This looks more like a wvw update so pve players like it more.

To be fair,
That’s who they want in wvw.

They want all the dedicated, competitive players in s/tPvP

Pinko.2076:

Pendragon.8735:

It’s been a decent enough few weeks for this server group, but looks like Mag will be getting a free invitation to T3 next week, SoS departing. Not sure that they really earned it, but coverage should be more interesting for us at least. DB will have free reign off peak, even more than usual.

Explain this “earning it” thing in regards to meaningless rankings.

It means you didn’t earn your meaningless rank.

What does “earning it” mean where you come from?

Serebus.7314:

Lance.5892:

TSym was the first north american guild to figure out how to wipe Red Guard.

Enough said.

Please be a bit more respectful and stop talking trash on a single guild.

so they beat a guild in the Euro WvW scene so they automatically deserve respect from everyone? I’m not understanding this.

I was having trouble with why their ingame skill demanded respect to their forum presence.

I don’t really consider myself retired,
But I rarely throw my tag on anymore.

More often throw it on when I need people to rally for short term goals.

Redfield.6174:

An this week strategy is: Aim at the top!

Hello, Myself ;D

Am I the only one who spams the Interact key while in zerg fights?

Devs have stated before they won’t put in a real autoloot system, I believe their reasoning had something to do with handling items when your inventory was full, but I don’t remember perfectly and don’t want to sift through thousands of dev posts to find a citation.

Just be glad it’s not like PvE and you have to actually go to your enemy’s corpse to loot it.

santi.7516:

, but this can easily be proof to prove that we’re faaaaar better and superior than DB, we just need a “night population”, which i guess, someday we’ll have.

I agreed with just about everything you said until you took this huge left turn into bullkitten.

NA players need to get over their arrogance and remember that they are not the only timezone that matters.

coronbale.3894:

Wow, we got more posts since I dropped a line in here than the entire thread having to do with the match combined.

Impressive, most impressive…

Any press is good press, right Coron?

coronbale.3894:

TSYM a fun target?

In the first 5 days we were in T3 I wracked up an amazing 8300 kills. Both YB and DB threw everything they had at us. It was fun, it was exciting, and it was definitely challenging.

In the last 7 days we wracked up about 430 kills. Rather than face the first challenge your tier gets in who knows how long, you chose to avoid us, and hit our homeland whenever we left it. Any time we took the field you scattered like roaches with the kitchen light turned on, and hit us where we weren’t. The ONLY decent challenge we had last match week was when BP was hammering us with everything they had while YB hit our hills the instant crossed swords showed. It was about 3 hours of run, wiping golems, defending massively one sided fights, and seeing great combat movements. The instant they took bay they moved, and joined in with the “dodge TSYM like we owe them money” initiative.

You had a solid chance to improve your team by facing mine. So yes, you can go back to your talentless ZvZ brawls, and BP I’m sure can go back to farming uncoordinated masses like its zombie land. Well go in search of a higher caliber of competition, one that might actually stay and fight!

Most people get less defensive when someone says they’re a fun opponent.
I’ll be sure to not do that next time we meet

Serophous.9085:

EnRohbi.2187:

Porky.5021:

EnRohbi.2187:

Lyndis.2584:

Well, now that TSYM is jumping ship as well, this is going to be a trainwreck. :l

Aw, boo
They were a fun target.

Where are TSYM going?

I believe the bandwagon is heading to Kaineng.

That is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.

Dear TSYM,
Please do not bandwagon to Kaineng, you are better than that.

Server loyalty, like chivalry, is dead.

So the new t3 will be db, yaks, mag

Well, no, I know that.
I know where TSYM started.

But there are so many better non-Kaineng choices.

Porky.5021:

EnRohbi.2187:

Lyndis.2584:

Well, now that TSYM is jumping ship as well, this is going to be a trainwreck. :l

Aw, boo
They were a fun target.

Where are TSYM going?

I believe the bandwagon is heading to Kaineng.

That is the saddest thing I’ve ever heard.

Dear TSYM,
Please do not bandwagon to Kaineng, you are better than that.

Lexvia.4087:

Habib Loew.6239:

The low-res models all use standard skins and are persisted in memory so they only need to be loaded once. By setting the WvW Character Limit and WvW Character Quality correctly it is possible to have all player characters (except yours) displayed using the low-res models (and thus the standard skins).

Can anyone tell me where the WvW Character Limit and WvW Character Quality options really are? I was staring at the options menu and I could not see anything related to WvW settings.

They are not patched in yet. He is talking about an upcoming patch.

Lyndis.2584:

Well, now that TSYM is jumping ship as well, this is going to be a trainwreck. :l

Aw, boo
They were a fun target.

Where are TSYM going?

I think it’s been suggested before and ultimately shot down because there’s nothing particularly special about Commanders except that at least one point in time they had an ample amount of gold with nothing else to buy.

Energetik.6471:

Do people actually still play WvWvW?

No, we just keep up appearances on the forums to trick Anet.

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Niim.9260:

Fudge.9527:

If they split wxp from a static ‘pool’ like some are suggesting, you’re going to run into situations where 5 people are taking a supply camp, and if others come to help they’ll get yelled at for ‘leeching’ or whatever…which is stupid and bad game design.

So the best argument you could come up against static point values is that someone might accuse another of leaching? Stupid accusations, attacks and comments are said in map/team chat every minute of every day, yet someone accusing you of leaching is a massive issue?

It’s not the best argument he could come up with,
It is the exact design philosophy that Anet has stated they follow since before they released this game.

You’re never supposed to be upset to see other players join you.

Not sure what your point is? Not all aspects of the game follow that design philosophy anyways, take group buffing for example. The system has no built in priority to your group mates, so in order to ensure that my heals/buffs/cleanses go to who I need them to go do, we need to avoid people joining us.

My point was very clearly laid out in my post.
I’m not sure what you’re not understanding?

Samhayn.2385:

EnRohbi.2187:

Niim.9260:

Fudge.9527:

If they split wxp from a static ‘pool’ like some are suggesting, you’re going to run into situations where 5 people are taking a supply camp, and if others come to help they’ll get yelled at for ‘leeching’ or whatever…which is stupid and bad game design.

So the best argument you could come up against static point values is that someone might accuse another of leaching? Stupid accusations, attacks and comments are said in map/team chat every minute of every day, yet someone accusing you of leaching is a massive issue?

It’s not the best argument he could come up with,
It is the exact design philosophy that Anet has stated they follow since before they released this game.

You’re never supposed to be upset to see other players join you.

And it’s a great way to design for PvE that in its nature should not be about competing against other players. It falls apart in PvP where the very nature of the game play is about competing. The thing is most of us just want a form of game design that would incentives a wider range of tactics then the current “cluster as many people as you can together to take even the smallest objective”. My problem is that every thing in wvw at this time is geared towards having overwhelming numbers and coverage at all time. I also believe that this change will exasperate the issues we have with stacked servers and blow out games. Progression is a good thing and will normally get people out to fight but when you face overwhelming odds and you lose more often then win you wi not only progress slowly you will in fact help the winning side progress faster by being there for them defeat and giving them things to reclaim that you are lucky enough to cap. This in turn will drive the under manned side to either leave the map or more likely leave the server. This change can also lead to larger groups being mad at smaller groups for taking objectives. If my five man caps a supply camp before you can get your 40 man there I have effectively decreased a large portion of my sides rewards and this can and will most likely lead to larger groups being angry that I won’t play “the way I should”. The reason you don’t see these problems now is due to the fact that the rewards in wvw are minor at best but with an added progression system you will now be effectively taking away from your own server if you choose not to run with the larger group.

I and many others like me where hoping for a system that yes split xp amongst those who participated. This could have been done in a way that the early levels where very easily obtained by being part of the “Zerg” but as you ranked up it became increasingly slower to progress that way. This would organically drive more experienced wvw players to split from the larger groups and see what they could do in smaller parties but would still reward newer players for starting out with the “Zerg”.

Meh, my rant is over and what’s done is done. One can always hope that I am wrong and things will not be like I think they will.

Oh,
I agree with you, and with most of what Niim said. I would much rather the WvW patch didn’t reward zergs even more than they already are.
For one, my computer slows to like 1fps in the really big fights, so my own personal preference is usually small group stuff anyway.

But until Anet comes out and says they’re changing their design ideals in WvW, I don’t think there’s any reason to expect anything else than what they’ve already stated.

Niim.9260:

Fudge.9527:

If they split wxp from a static ‘pool’ like some are suggesting, you’re going to run into situations where 5 people are taking a supply camp, and if others come to help they’ll get yelled at for ‘leeching’ or whatever…which is stupid and bad game design.

So the best argument you could come up against static point values is that someone might accuse another of leaching? Stupid accusations, attacks and comments are said in map/team chat every minute of every day, yet someone accusing you of leaching is a massive issue?

It’s not the best argument he could come up with,
It is the exact design philosophy that Anet has stated they follow since before they released this game.

You’re never supposed to be upset to see other players join you.

Dinas Dragonbane.2978:

On the other hand, Chests are for better stuff UNLESS it was from killing a Dolyak, which the chest means you’ll receive 5 supply in addition to whatever coins/spikes/barbs actual gear it dropped.

I will have to pay attention next time I see a chest in WvW where it came from.
That might explain things.

I was starting to get kitten off, I thought I’d had like 4 rare drops in an hour last week and they all bugged out.

Fomby.4295:

I would like to know, what the purpose of wooden chest loot “bags” are. Lat five that I’ve opened have contained barbs.

More on the point, it should work on other players. But then again, people always tell me that they don’t see an increase in drop value when wearing it in pve. But who knows….

I think they are bugged.

The chests are supposed to be for Rare or higher level items,
But when they drop in WvW they, more often than not, don’t give me anything.

Porky.5021:

FrankieBonez.8361:

No alliance here. I am also very involved in Dragonbrand’s WvW community and there is no super-secret-illuminati-conspiracy-alliance with YB. SoS is suffering exactly what DB went through months ago . . . you can do one of two things – close your eyes and wait until it’s over, or fight hard and have fun.

Don’t blame the other servers (especially Dragonbrand) for the “hate” towards SoS. Blame the band-wagoners that shot SoS up to tier 1 destroying every tier in their wake, then leaving you high and dry.

If we could take it out on specific guilds, i’m pretty sure Dragonbrand would rather have it that way. But we can’t, so destroying SoS (as a server name – not the players) is the next best thing.

Know the history, Dragonbrand has been waiting for an SoS matchup for a long time.

The people who screwed us and we are mad at are gone so the next best thing is being mad at a server name! Rawr!

I think the guild most people on DB remember leaving best is TSYM, and they are still on SoS.

So, all of the guilds have not moved on from SoS.

If it didn’t work from players, the Outmanned buff would be even more pointless than it already is.

I would say it does affect loot from players.

You’re going to end up spending a lot of money if you transfer everytime tiers become unbalanced.

Tiers that are balanced now may not be in a month when one of the servers loses its spot.

Limulus.4380:

Looks like Yak’s got tired of being played by DB. Their taking back what is theirs. Uh Oh!

Looks like the game is proving you wrong before your eyes.

Kazhiel.8194:

I’m thinking maybe this guy is drunk or high or something o_O

I’m usually at least one of those things,
But I hope I’m never that bad.

Limulus.4380:

Look at it Live, DB won’t dare touch Yak land. Then again, maybe they are just scared.

I’m gonna take you seriously for exactly one post here. Then you’re going to completely disregard everything I have to say here, no matter how valid it is, and I’m going to go back to openly mocking you.

Servers down in tier 3 don’t have enough people to populate all maps at all times. And this is one of DB’s weakest times of day.
We also really like beating up on SoS, but some of us have been waiting for the opportunity for some time.
So it should be perfectly expected that when given the choice we’re more likely to go attack SoS BL.

Limulus.4380:

EnRohbi, please keep your comments on topic. Address the situation, rather than resorting to attacking the individual. Thanks, cupcake.

My post was, almost literally, the exact same words you had used in your most recent post.
If mine wasn’t on-topic, yours was clearly no better.

Limulus.4380:

Eviator, your interpretation of the intent is lacking.

Your interpretation of the entire situation is severely more than lacking.

Limulus.4380:

EnRohbi – Clearly you have to resort to ad hominem because you cannot prove otherwise. When you can deal with the facts, come back to this thread. Yak/DB have an alliance. Clearly, not ALL of Yak/DB are aware of such. Significant numbers are aware to keep up with the actions on the field that they are doing and the others follow. SoS is still keeping up nicely, even with the “not so secret” alliance of Yak/DB.

Sure, I resort to ad hominem,
This thread is too ridiculous to actually take seriously.

You guys can’t win a match, even in tier 3,
So the only thing left to you is to try to discredit your opponents and their victory.

It’s entertaining, if anything.

Limulus.4380:

I say propaganda is being spread.

Propaganda in the form of multiple threads being posted by sore losers to make YB/DB out to be poor opponents?

I’d say you’re spot on.

Loki.4139:

Limulus.4380:

Just because you don’t know about the alliance, does not mean there isn’t one. Perhaps if you joined the voice server or other forums, you would be more apprised of such.

I do, I know all the big commanders, i talk to them all time on TeamSpeak, On Mumble. and in game. We don’t have an alliance, specially with Yaks. Your server is just getting an kitten kicking because you a dying server

EDIT: Mostly a reply to Limulus, quoted Loki for emphasis.

Mmm, I tend to try to keep myself in communication with as many other Commanders as I can. I’m there for all the commander/server strategy meetings, talk to many of them in game, read every single post in both the public and private areas of the dragonbrand community forums, /join other guilds on their raids and am present when they attack places/, etc.etc.

I think it’s reasonable for me to claim that any alliance that was big enough to be affecting the outcome of the match, I would have known about it.

Do we really need two threads this ridiculous in one day?

santi.7516:

Completely outplayed SoS at their borderland on Bay, 10 vs 999999?, no problem bro. [CL] and [Me] got it under control.

SoS is pro at bypassing the queue system, I guess O;

grave of hearts.7830:

Niim.9260:

grave of hearts.7830:

We were faceing mixed forces on sos bl for a bit now and yesterday dragonbrand had the stonemist second floor full with yb’s that were avoiding conflict with them.

When you post things that are not true, it makes you look like you have no idea what you are talking about.

YB did what SoS should have done, which is force through and up stairs, a very common strat in WAR. DB messed up, imo, in that they largely ignored them up there, which let them port up more and more people until we eventually lost to them pushing down. There was a key point in the fight where we had the YB top group all on the ropes, a bunch dead and the rest low in health, but only a few folks would charge, to many plinkers content with shooting from range, and they rallied and eventually took the keep.

Good play on their part, bad choice for DB though obviously they were trying to defend on two fronts, and bad play on SoS part. Either way it was a pitched three way battle, which goes against your claims.

I think i know pretty much what it means when i have mixed teams of db and yb on sos borderland running around takeing supply camps and leaveing the db members cap it.
If you think i am just a random lunatic just pop over SoS lions arch and ask around.
I am sure you will find someone that will throw a screenshot back at you with a mixed group teabaging theyr corpse.
Or be even more simple and ask in map if YB is working together with DB and see the responce.
Also i find it hard to believe that YB pushed to 2nd floor with all the balistas on lord room,reached the 2nd floor and it got ignored in a place were there is always someone going up for the platform cannons.
And there is the issue that the siege on the lords room was intact and manned when we got there.
And then there is the yb ads not touching db,but going straight for SoS outside on the rings alongside db.
You are telling me to ignore all that,and justify it as strategy?
And that the constant tag teaming is not manipulation of outcome?

I keep trying to think of snappy ways to reply to this.
But it’s so laughably wrong that I feel like I’ll be getting trolled if I actually engage myself in it.

I am truly sorry that SoS couldn’t handle all the pressure of being in tier 1 and had to fall apart, but you’re just reaching for an excuse here.

DaShi.1368:

I’ve stopped adding to my guild’s bank after one of our co-leaders took about half the stuff from it and all the gold.

Did that co-leader get banned?

If not, I think this thread has been answered.

Not that I’m confident I’d know every WvW decision that gets made on the server I’m on, in fact far from it.

But I can tell you if there was some sort of server-wide truce, I would have heard of it. So would the other large WvW guilds on DB that I’ve accompanied on raids in Yak’s BL against Yak’s Territories.

Conspiracy Theories never cease to amaze though.

Elementalists need a good hard knock in the head with nerfbat anyway.

And yeah, if it was such a big deal that phantasms could hit things without LOS, then it definitely should be for Elementalists too.

insanemaniac.2456:

EnRohbi.2187:

Narcissus.1058:

EnRohbi.2187:

Narcissus.1058:

I just have one comment. If you are from a higher tier coming in here to tell us to quit whining, get out now. No one wants you in this thread. This is for ppl from t8 and ppl who realize that this is a problem.

Erm,
You seem to have difficulty with the concept of a public forum.

High tier players telling us to suck it up and move servers/fight harder have difficulty with the concept of server pride/being outnumbered 23/7

If server pride is more important to you than your WvW gaming experience, then you have made a personal choice. And sometimes personal choices come with consequences. You don’t get to just have everything you want.

And you’re talking like many servers in this game haven’t gone through losing streaks/being heavily outnumbered for weeks or months.
But the people with REAL server pride sucked it up and kept playing instead of spamming the forums all day.

yeah um all those people were fighting population imbalances, not the rating system itself

You realize you’re fighting a population imbalance too?
It’s just caused by the rating system.
The results in game are the same either way