Guild Wars 2

Uhm, no.
This is a major game mechanic,
You go Downed and you are still in the battle, you are not Defeated yet.

If you refuse to adapt to a major game mechanic that has not only been present since launch, but announced over a year prior to launch, then you can expect that your opponents are going to rally and turn the fight against you.

And I assure you,
It’s a solid satisfaction that comes with a victory like that.

lunyboy.8672:

EnRohbi.2187:

kelman.9451:

Ok sounds like veil, but What is the limit per portal anyways? or is 20 the limit per portal?

20 is the limit per portal,
Also, the actual portal itself is very, very visible even if the zerg is not.

So Veil is by far the most likely.

Add it to the long list of mesmer abilities that aren’t hindered by the 5-target limit imposed on other professions skills, utilities, and attacks.

Including Mass invisibility and Feedback; even Time Warp which IS limited to 5 now prioritizes players over illusions, pets, minions, etc.

And I still give swiftness to my turrets instead of players.

But whatevs.

Mass Invisibility is affected by the 5 target limit.
To the best of my knowledge, all curtain-type skills are unaffected by the aoe limit (Guardian’s Ring and Line of Warding included).

Projectile reflections from other classes are also unaffected by the 5 man limit.

These aren’t Mesmer mechanics you’re complaining about, they’re shared in other classes.

Your prejudice is showing, though.

EDIT: I actually went and looked it up because I wasn’t sure. I stand corrected (by myself), Mass Invisibility appears to affect up to 9 other allies according to the wiki. I’ll give you that one, there is no game-mechanics related reason that shouldn’t observe the 5-man aoe cap. The rest of the mesmer skills use mechanics that are not unique to ourselves though.

Waffler.1257:

EnRohbi.2187:

I can’t get over the amount of roamers from CD chase me halfway across the map until I get sick of them behind me, so I turn around to fight and the first thing they do is turn away and run as soon as they realize they’re not facing an upleveled scrub.

Why were you running from them in the first place?

If I am heading to help defend something, or give backup to other people, I will generally not go all bloodlust on every red name I see and will, in fact, just ignore some invaders as I go.
Because, basically, I’m not going to lose territory because I wanted to duel someone.

Then they chase me, and the scenario described above occurs.

Also, GOOD LORD.
I’m trying so hard not to generalize too much here, because I honestly mean no offense, but the sheer amount of cheese perma-stealth thieves I have seen come out of CD’s spawn into DB BL is staggering.

I think I fought… a warrior, a ranger, a mesmer, and fifteen different thieves while I was working on getting Vale upgraded.
Oh,
And one really good engineer that killed me, good show.

kerona.3465:

EnRohbi.2187:

kerona.3465:

EnRohbi.2187:

kerona.3465:

EnRohbi.2187:

kerona.3465:

CHIPS.6018:

zastari.1730:

CHIPS.6018:

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

Oh look someone that bandwagoned from SBI to Kaineng and then Kaineng to TC. Please tell me more!

Plenty of bandwagoner everywhere, including Maguuma. You guys just got a new bandwagon guild GOAT last week, remember?

You guys should kick GOAT out if you hate bandwagoners.

“Bandwagon” implies that we win, or are projected to win. So, no.

I’m starting to think people on this forum don’t actually know what the colloquial version of “bandwagon” means.

Because winning has nothing to do with it.

1. When someone adopts a popular point of view for the primary purpose of recognition and/or acceptance by others.
2. To follow the group as it has the majority or a vast number of followers
3. Suddenly giving a kitten when a team gets good.

And you were saying? Please, let me know which of the above applies to Maguuma.

I think you misread my post, or thought I was also the person accusing you of being a bandwagon server.

I just pointed out that your definition of what bandwagoning was was incorrect.

But my definition is one of the above listed? How was mine incorrect?

Winning isn’t part of bandwagoning, conforming to the majority is.
The longer these silly little semantic debates go on, the stupider they sound

Definition 2 + Definition 3 = Literally what I said.

You nitpicked semantics on something that wasn’t even incorrect.

Other dictionaries:
get on the bandwagon to join or give support to a party or movement that seems to be assured of success
A current trend
climb or jump on the bandwagon, to join a party, cause, movement, etc., that appears to be gaining popular support.
to become involved in an activity which is successful so that you can get the advantages of it yourself

I can keep going.

Keep going all you want,
I didn’t even read what you wrote already. o;

“This debate is stupid” didn’t seem to mean anything to you,
What I meant was “I’m done, this is stupid”

Furiousbeard.7602:

EnRohbi.2187:

JakobGW.5730:

EnRohbi.2187:

I can’t get over the amount of roamers from CD chase me halfway across the map until I get sick of them behind me, so I turn around to fight and the first thing they do is turn away and run as soon as they realize they’re not facing an upleveled scrub.

You haven’t met the right roamers yet.

I sure hope not
Crystal Desert was always one of those servers that I’ve never been on, but have always liked from the outside.

Window shopper eh?

I entertained the idea of leaving DB back in October when TSYM and the other guilds left and CD was probably my first choice at the time.

I have, since that time, been very grateful that I chose to stick it out here.

Toxic.4320:

EnRohbi.2187:

I can’t get over the amount of roamers from CD chase me halfway across the map until I get sick of them behind me, so I turn around to fight and the first thing they do is turn away and run as soon as they realize they’re not facing an upleveled scrub.

Only time you’ll catch me doing that? is if I’m alone. I’d prefer not to lose my kitten to 10 DBers. I like it just fine where it is

That’s fine,
But I am referring to times when I’m alone :P

If you want to run from me when I’ve got some buddies, that’s probably smarter :P

I just find it funny when someone chases me down 1v1 only to turn and run as soon as they realize I might actually fight back.

kerona.3465:

EnRohbi.2187:

kerona.3465:

EnRohbi.2187:

kerona.3465:

CHIPS.6018:

zastari.1730:

CHIPS.6018:

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

Oh look someone that bandwagoned from SBI to Kaineng and then Kaineng to TC. Please tell me more!

Plenty of bandwagoner everywhere, including Maguuma. You guys just got a new bandwagon guild GOAT last week, remember?

You guys should kick GOAT out if you hate bandwagoners.

“Bandwagon” implies that we win, or are projected to win. So, no.

I’m starting to think people on this forum don’t actually know what the colloquial version of “bandwagon” means.

Because winning has nothing to do with it.

1. When someone adopts a popular point of view for the primary purpose of recognition and/or acceptance by others.
2. To follow the group as it has the majority or a vast number of followers
3. Suddenly giving a kitten when a team gets good.

And you were saying? Please, let me know which of the above applies to Maguuma.

I think you misread my post, or thought I was also the person accusing you of being a bandwagon server.

I just pointed out that your definition of what bandwagoning was was incorrect.

But my definition is one of the above listed? How was mine incorrect?

Winning isn’t part of bandwagoning, conforming to the majority is.
The longer these silly little semantic debates go on, the stupider they sound

JakobGW.5730:

EnRohbi.2187:

I can’t get over the amount of roamers from CD chase me halfway across the map until I get sick of them behind me, so I turn around to fight and the first thing they do is turn away and run as soon as they realize they’re not facing an upleveled scrub.

You haven’t met the right roamers yet.

I sure hope not
Crystal Desert was always one of those servers that I’ve never been on, but have always liked from the outside.

kerona.3465:

EnRohbi.2187:

kerona.3465:

CHIPS.6018:

zastari.1730:

CHIPS.6018:

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

Oh look someone that bandwagoned from SBI to Kaineng and then Kaineng to TC. Please tell me more!

Plenty of bandwagoner everywhere, including Maguuma. You guys just got a new bandwagon guild GOAT last week, remember?

You guys should kick GOAT out if you hate bandwagoners.

“Bandwagon” implies that we win, or are projected to win. So, no.

I’m starting to think people on this forum don’t actually know what the colloquial version of “bandwagon” means.

Because winning has nothing to do with it.

1. When someone adopts a popular point of view for the primary purpose of recognition and/or acceptance by others.
2. To follow the group as it has the majority or a vast number of followers
3. Suddenly giving a kitten when a team gets good.

And you were saying? Please, let me know which of the above applies to Maguuma.

I think you misread my post, or thought I was also the person accusing you of being a bandwagon server.

I just pointed out that your definition of what bandwagoning was was incorrect.

I can’t get over the amount of roamers from CD chase me halfway across the map until I get sick of them behind me, so I turn around to fight and the first thing they do is turn away and run as soon as they realize they’re not facing an upleveled scrub.

kelman.9451:

Ok sounds like veil, but What is the limit per portal anyways? or is 20 the limit per portal?

20 is the limit per portal,
Also, the actual portal itself is very, very visible even if the zerg is not.

So Veil is by far the most likely.

JakobGW.5730:

Waffler.1257:

Folk.2093:

Not sure which is worse, TC zerg or DB zerg. Hmmmm..

I vote for TC zerg, because after they wipe your 10 men with their 50+ they come on the forums and post that you should see it as an opportunity to learn superior tactics from them.

Best. Post. Ever.

They have a point, they’re just exceptionally conceited about it and think they’re something special (They’re not.) (Neither is DB, before anyone thinks I’m implying otherwise).

Should always learn from battles you lose,
Whether it’s from tactics, numbers or some other factor, you should just about never get wiped and then run back to the same battle with the same strategy.

Realized I went and posted in Mag’s matchup thread before even saying Hi in this one.

Hi, everyone ;D
Long time no see, CD.

kerona.3465:

CHIPS.6018:

zastari.1730:

CHIPS.6018:

If this week’s match up was DB-Mag-SOS, you guys will face the EXACT same problem. DB will just roll over all of you. So what’s the difference? What’s your next plan? Disperse DB also?

Same thing with any of JQ, BG, SOR or FA facing Mag and SOS. The exact same thing will happen. So what are you going to do disperse them all?

Give me a break please.

As far as low population servers are concern, none of the top 6 servers is any different. They will roll over you, period.

I do feel sorry for you guys. But it is all Anet’s fault. Instead of disperse the bigger server to fit your needs, why don’t you transfer yourself to a lower tier server so you can enjoy yourself there?

Oh look someone that bandwagoned from SBI to Kaineng and then Kaineng to TC. Please tell me more!

Plenty of bandwagoner everywhere, including Maguuma. You guys just got a new bandwagon guild GOAT last week, remember?

You guys should kick GOAT out if you hate bandwagoners.

“Bandwagon” implies that we win, or are projected to win. So, no.

I’m starting to think people on this forum don’t actually know what the colloquial version of “bandwagon” means.

Because winning has nothing to do with it.

Probably Veil,
Unless Anet just couldn’t resist the allure of putting culling back in.

Grav.3568:

Chris.3290:

we remain the warm home to all our good friends from the lands of giant spiders and hobbits (and the rest of Oceania).

It’s a nice sentiment, but I can’t go along with it myself. As long as oceanics (and SEAs for that matter) continue to stack up on the same servers, you will always end up PvDooring in your own time and being PvDoored outside of it. It’s not fun for your opponents and I don’t really see how it would be fun for you either.

Signed, the only kiwi on EBay that I know.

Oceanics and Sea players have quite a few more opponents to play with against any of the old tier 2 or 1 servers, actually.

Signed, someone who usually plays in the morning when TFV/NNK O’Clock rolls around.

Revision: Maybe not FA. Love fighting them, but I don’t recall them having much coverage during that time.

Yeah, I’ve been doing this since launch.

I find Temporal Curtain more reliable though, the hitbox on Illusionary Wave can be sketchy sometimes.

Tiers don’t exist as much as they used to,
Since Anet implement more random matchups.

But your best bet for actually consistent fights any time of day are JQ/BG/SoR/TC/FA/DB in no particular order.

Jinks.2057:

EnRohbi.2187:

Jinks.2057:

Canar.2064:

Stop running Jinks. Don’t let that elementalist die for you.

Stop dying and multiplying by 5

Seriously wtf is up w/ the die and grab 5-10 more friends attitude?

If I want to take a camp, or have any other specific goal in mind for WvW that I can generally handle solo/with a partner, I will attempt it first.
If I get killed,
I’m not going to give up on my goal, that’s just stupid.
And I’m not going to just rush back in and get farmed for an hour, that’s more stupid.

So yeah, I’m gonna rally a few reinforcements.

My experience with your guild is that unless its 5 of you vs me it’s not a fair fight.

I mean i can understand you wanting to win that ppt and what not, but c’mon let’s look at the score for a second ;P

Well yeah,
The vast majority of my guild are PvErs, that’s why you don’t often see Duel posts in here.

If there’s even a 5 man Duel group running around, it’s already an unusual day in wvw.

Jinks.2057:

Canar.2064:

Stop running Jinks. Don’t let that elementalist die for you.

Stop dying and multiplying by 5

Seriously wtf is up w/ the die and grab 5-10 more friends attitude?

If I want to take a camp, or have any other specific goal in mind for WvW that I can generally handle solo/with a partner, I will attempt it first.
If I get killed,
I’m not going to give up on my goal, that’s just stupid.
And I’m not going to just rush back in and get farmed for an hour, that’s more stupid.

So yeah, I’m gonna rally a few reinforcements.

nalenb.1425:

EnRohbi.2187:

nalenb.1425:

KStudios.2850:

nalenb.1425:

I love watching large groups in WvW. All those people self organizing for an objective is amazing. It’s like watching a flock of birds or a school of fish.

That flock of birds just made one of your people deaded. =(

Yeah. We had a guy on the other day yelling in map chat about how the commanders were getting people killed. It’s WvW, who cares about getting killed? If I don’t die a couple times an hour I’m not trying hard enough.

I really had fun last night using RTL + Updraft on an Ehmry Bay guild doing the stack tactic before flanking us. It was like bowling. I tried to see how many I could knock down before they insta-killed me.

My guess is…. … … Five.

I have more than 1 knockdown, hehe.

It’s a shame you’ve got no damage to back it up
We’ve gotta work on getting you some bigger numbers

nalenb.1425:

KStudios.2850:

nalenb.1425:

I love watching large groups in WvW. All those people self organizing for an objective is amazing. It’s like watching a flock of birds or a school of fish.

That flock of birds just made one of your people deaded. =(

Yeah. We had a guy on the other day yelling in map chat about how the commanders were getting people killed. It’s WvW, who cares about getting killed? If I don’t die a couple times an hour I’m not trying hard enough.

I really had fun last night using RTL + Updraft on an Ehmry Bay guild doing the stack tactic before flanking us. It was like bowling. I tried to see how many I could knock down before they insta-killed me.

My guess is…. … … Five.

It would have to,
It’d still be attached to the WvW physical servers that are also attached to which servers have access to which maps on which servers.

I imagine they’re shut down across the board while they update.

Syktek.7912:

EnRohbi.2187:

Syktek.7912:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Syktek.7912:

lani.7431:

Syktek.7912:

lani.7431:

Wow… Ebay is full of more forum warriors and trolls than Maguma. I never thought I would see the day. This thread leaves a dirty taste in my mouth.. stop replying to their non-sense.

Much respect to SoS, and the Ebay not repping their server in this disgusting manner.

I barely post on these forums. I am simply here for all the trash talk at the moment. It is odd though, really it is. None of these so called ‘forum warriors’ would be on if certain people from your server had not stretched their unclean taints wide open and wargarbled out senseless posts.

You guys started it. Now you’re crying about it. Figures.

Don’t see much DB chest thumping at all… so really don’t know what you are talking about. Do see a lot of Ebay ego being thrown around….

There was a member of DB that posted a picture of patch day scores with DB dominating. He made reference to eBay having the lowest to try and rub it in our faces. That is what set me off and part of what set PenguiNet off.

A lot of negativity could have been avoided if he had not posted that picture.

So your defense is “He started it first.”

No. I simply forgot to say that his post was the enabling one. The one that gave us the fuel to start talking. Had his not been posted, I and certain others likely would have stayed quiet. Since that post was made, we started talking. We are not the type to stay quiet and let trash talking thrive.

Do you honestly, in your very soul and heart, believe that forum warriors won’t forum war just because no one gave them a reason?

They would have started it over anything.
If it wasn’t in response to something that was posted here they’d be ranting about nightcapping right now.

I am not refering to Jinks and Kodiak (Our main forum warriors). I am referring to members of Rekz and a few others who may have posted in negative manner.

Can I stop being an apologist? I am not very good at it.

Well, in that light then,
We’ve had people on DB posting in this thread who would normally not be seen in the matchup threads too :P

These things happen.
A certain amount of taunting goes on in these threads, I don’t consider it a bad thing, I consider it a manifestation of a competitive game.
The issue is that as soon as taunting starts there are people on the opposing team who want to act like someone just spat in their mother’s face, and then the actual malicious stuff comes out.

Syktek.7912:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Syktek.7912:

lani.7431:

Syktek.7912:

lani.7431:

Wow… Ebay is full of more forum warriors and trolls than Maguma. I never thought I would see the day. This thread leaves a dirty taste in my mouth.. stop replying to their non-sense.

Much respect to SoS, and the Ebay not repping their server in this disgusting manner.

I barely post on these forums. I am simply here for all the trash talk at the moment. It is odd though, really it is. None of these so called ‘forum warriors’ would be on if certain people from your server had not stretched their unclean taints wide open and wargarbled out senseless posts.

You guys started it. Now you’re crying about it. Figures.

Don’t see much DB chest thumping at all… so really don’t know what you are talking about. Do see a lot of Ebay ego being thrown around….

There was a member of DB that posted a picture of patch day scores with DB dominating. He made reference to eBay having the lowest to try and rub it in our faces. That is what set me off and part of what set PenguiNet off.

A lot of negativity could have been avoided if he had not posted that picture.

So your defense is “He started it first.”

No. I simply forgot to say that his post was the enabling one. The one that gave us the fuel to start talking. Had his not been posted, I and certain others likely would have stayed quiet. Since that post was made, we started talking. We are not the type to stay quiet and let trash talking thrive.

Do you honestly, in your very soul and heart, believe that forum warriors won’t forum war just because no one gave them a reason?

They would have started it over anything.
If it wasn’t in response to something that was posted here they’d be ranting about nightcapping right now.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

EnRohbi.2187:

PS: When I’m in WvW I almost exclusively solo roam, or roam with groups of 5 or less, and I almost always go to DB BL. I run from very few fights, if you show up in front of me with even numbers or just close to it, you’ll get the fight you’re looking for.

I don’t know how many people are in Duel but I’ve definitely seen you roaming around looking for 1v1s.

BTW, anybody up for Thursday night fight club? DB BL windmill? I want to try out my new necro build(s).

Duel’s got a huge roster but most of the guild members stick to PvE and dungeons so I rarely get a chance to take a large amount of them into WvW.

If you’ve seen a Mesmer from Duel roaming around it was probably me. And to be clear (Just so people don’t come to post screenshot proofs of me lying if I ever 3v1 you or run away), I don’t roam around JUST looking for 1v1s. I go about my WvWing and flip camps, hit sentries and yaks, and scout enemy positions. But on the slow days where I’m just kittening around in DB BL after it’s turned green waiting for Invaders to show up, I will gladly entertain anyone that wants to come up and /bow.

Torp.3659:

What I’m trying to say is that not everyone from the other servers are as rude as you guys make them out to be. Its not fair to judge the whole guild/server based on what a few people said in the forums. Our server isn’t made of saints either so give the other guys a break.

Perhaps you are unaware of the current meta in Forum Warrioring.
Crass generalizations against the entire server based on a few posts in these threads are what it’s all about. ;D

Everyone with a brain knows the truth, that a few forum warriors don’t represent the whole server, and when dealing with indivual people from other servers outside of these threads, the conversations show that.

But suggesting that people not generalize whole servers in the matchup threads is like telling people not to zerg in game.

lani.7431:

Syktek.7912:

lani.7431:

Wow… Ebay is full of more forum warriors and trolls than Maguma. I never thought I would see the day. This thread leaves a dirty taste in my mouth.. stop replying to their non-sense.

Much respect to SoS, and the Ebay not repping their server in this disgusting manner.

I barely post on these forums. I am simply here for all the trash talk at the moment. It is odd though, really it is. None of these so called ‘forum warriors’ would be on if certain people from your server had not stretched their unclean taints wide open and wargarbled out senseless posts.

You guys started it. Now you’re crying about it. Figures.

Don’t see much DB chest thumping at all… so really don’t know what you are talking about. Do see a lot of Ebay ego being thrown around….

Yeah,
I went back and read the first page~ of this thread after I read that post and, I gotta say the people who don’t think the forum warrioring in this thread didn’t start from Ebay have very selective memories, or are just outright delusional.

Lina.9640:

So I’ve been looking for a way to kill DB players while roaming, and I’ll admit, it’s been really hard.

They’re either in the middle of the zerging or they’re super pro run away thieves and/or warriors.

But I’ve got it! The trick is, because the zerg is so single minded, they’ll actually leave their stragglers behind. So as they’re running to a new objective, you just pick off the people in the back.

Almost half of them will actually turn around and fight instead of try to limp along with the rest of their zerg.

So you’ve figured out a tactic that I’ve been using against servers for months.
This is not specific to DB, and I have caught many a EB/SoS player by doing the same thing, as I assure you that 99% of your thieves turn tail and peace out the second they realize I know how to kill screbthieves too.

PS: When I’m in WvW I almost exclusively solo roam, or roam with groups of 5 or less, and I almost always go to DB BL. I run from very few fights, if you show up in front of me with even numbers or just close to it, you’ll get the fight you’re looking for.

Mesmer doesn’t get particularly great until about level 40 when you can pick up Deceptive Evasion.

It’s not the be-all-end-all trait, but it is a huge boon to inexperienced Mesmers and should help you a lot.

Kite all the time,
If you find yourself standing still in fights you better be in PvP/WvW trying to blend into your clones, or you’re doing something wrong.

I usually use GS/Sword+X in PvE.
Start learning to use Blurred Frenzy defensively instead of just for DPS,
The F4 Shatter will save your life a lot as soon as you learn to time it and learn what you really need to save yourself from.

Mesmers can survive really well in PvE with just glass cannon gear, it’s certainly not a race, but you have to get good at learning which of your skills will mitigate damage and using that to your advantage.

But lower level mesmers are quite notorious for being difficult to get a handle on.

skcamow.3527:

I use bountiful interruption (BI) in the support focused build in my signature to augment the boon acquiring capabilities we possess via the Staff and runes(altruism)/sigils(battle).

Single target interrupting via daze mantra or pistol is not a good reason to take BI as many have pointed out in this and other recent threads. However, I’ve found the potential AoE interrupts from Chaos Storm and focus pulls, along with the occasional F3 shatter, proc BI often enough for it to be useful both in PvE/dungeons and WvW. I haven’t played with it in yet in sPvP.

Indeed.
I use my aoe interrupts for trying to proc bountiful interruption and use the single-target interrupts for waiting for my opponent to use their heal.

It’s not a playstyle I would carry over to PvE, though
With the exception of, when bosses have Defiant on them you can still proc Bountiful Interruption through Interrupts even though their action won’t be interrupted). I got an instant 20 stack of Might on bosses today just by 4xDiversion right in their face while they were using a skill with Defiant.
And even that, I would only do when I’m too lazy to completely retrait from WvW

Pyroatheist.9031:

EnRohbi.2187:

decease.3215:

you ever kill anything with interrupt? in wvw can you really tell how many people are around you 90% of the time? serious… in my experience wvw is just spam all i got while running around trying to survive..

That’s the playstyle you take advantage of as an interrupt mesmer in WvW.
Everyone you fight in a large battle is just spamming skills, all you really have to do is unload a few dazes and you’re going to proc plenty of interrupts.

Also, one of my mesmer friends has been trying an interrupt build since the patch.
He’s barely above “useless” in roaming, but it’s quite deadly when paired with other control builds and some DPS.

Problem is that most ‘spammed’ skills are not interruptable. Autoattacks can’t get interrupted, any skill with a cast time of under .75 seconds won’t get interrupted, and obviously in wvw anyone with stability will not get interrupted. It’s a total crapshoot in wvw, sometimes you’ll get lucky and get a ton of interrupts, and sometimes you’ll get nothing. It’s just an extremely unreliable playstyle.

I’ve been making heavy use of interrupts since long before this patch came out,
It might be an unreliable playstyle in the sense that your success is reliant upon your opponent’s actions, but I can tell you I have little problems proccing interrupts.

Even though I’m still using essentially the same shatter build I was before (Which already had 20 deep in Chaos for the staff trait), I switched Staff trait for Bountiful Interruptions and it takes me no time at all to hit 20-25 stacks of Might now.

I just wanted to play around with some of the changed traits at first, but I’m liking using Bountiful Interruptions far more than a cd reduction on staff skills.

decease.3215:

you ever kill anything with interrupt? in wvw can you really tell how many people are around you 90% of the time? serious… in my experience wvw is just spam all i got while running around trying to survive..

That’s the playstyle you take advantage of as an interrupt mesmer in WvW.
Everyone you fight in a large battle is just spamming skills, all you really have to do is unload a few dazes and you’re going to proc plenty of interrupts.

Also, one of my mesmer friends has been trying an interrupt build since the patch.
He’s barely above “useless” in roaming, but it’s quite deadly when paired with other control builds and some DPS.

Jinks.2057:

Just got done watching Omen get beat repeatedly by GF

To their credit they did win the 1st bout, but since have lost 3-4 str8

I enjoy watching Bandwagoners talk the talk. We faced Kain on their way up and it was the same thing (coincidentally the same names posting ;P)

Either way you’ll fail to make the rank 3 server and then all your bandwagoners will leave to make another super mega server trying to push to T1……and fail.

Either way it’s been fun for us Ebayers fighting the good fight and smashing faces. We’ll fight again its for sure

I think you’re a little behind the times, lemme catch you up:

Our bandwagoners came quite a while ago now (like, what, two months? My time perception sucks),
Some of the guilds merged into others,
We’ve lost several matches since then (Including both two consecutive weeks against TC/FA and the week we got stomped by JQ/BG),

The people who came here with no desire to do anything except get to tier 1 are already gone, and the transfers that are still here are more or less fully integrated into the community now.

You can talk about our superior numbers all you want; and you’d be correct.
But the time for bandwagon-server accusations are kind of over.

Comparing this to Kaineng’s “way up” (Because I remember that too, there are very few servers that didn’t face Kaineng during that time) is laughably inaccurate.

steve.5693:

EB has proven it is a threat to higher ranked servers DB need to set up siege at our spawn to stop us bit sad really

That’s a nice rationalization,
But generally once a server gets to the point they can spawncamp, it’s because they have already effectively proven their enemy is no threat.

zerospin.8604:

There are better ways to balance than prevent players from logging into WvW. Too many ways were already suggested, but the devs just don’t listen and I’m tired of writing walls of text over and over again. The first step to balance rankings is to apply modifiers to the score gained from objectives, depending how many people play on your side currently. If you’re outnumbered, then holding a single tower against great odds would be almost equal as holding the entire map as a dominating server. It’s not the complete answer but the first step.

You do realize if anything like this were to be implemented, it would immediately lead to the large guilds on a server demanding that they get entire maps to themselves to maximize their point gain.
New and inexperienced players already get enough hostility under the current models.

It’s not that the devs don’t listen, it’s that they know kitten ideas when they read them.

dabomb.4056:

btw, why are you, a FA dude in our thread?

DB’s old friends come visit our matchup threads every week

Eviator.9746:

Zeke.6037:

[Agg] has officially transfered off of DB! We would like to thank everyone in DB for our stay there. We have moved to JQ for more constant fights. Good luck to DB in the future, we in Agg wish DB all the best in their future endeavors.

If true, cheers and good luck!

Agreed,
All the best, Agg.
Good to have you around for a while

An immobilize, a blink, a gap closer and clone generation all in one skill is… useless to you?

It needs to not get caught up on terrain anymore, but the skill is great when it functions.

Bovinity.8610:

Are you talking about the D/P build with the 5,2,2,2,5,2,2,2,2 spam that allows them to keep retealthing, stabbing you for massive damage while all the while making it impossible to hit them during the fraction of the second you can see them? Yeah before i actually tried it myself, i thought they were actually good and thats why i was having a hard time with them. Nope, its stupidly easy to do and yeah it does need a nerf. Heres a perfect example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ecl8d0TQGQ Yeah takes real skill to push 2 buttons over and over again. and its not like it requires strict timing or anything. make a thief and test it yourself. effective against 95% of the people you’ll ever run into. as long as you dont fight more than 5 people at once you’ll win with little effort.

Translation: “I haven’t actually played a thief but I watched a video and have concluded that the need to be nerfed some more.”

You saw the words “before I actually tried it myself”, right?

If you need your hand held with fair and balanced carebear XvX matches, you should maybe go check out sPvP or tPvP. They also have no food buffs and extremely simplified equipment so all of your build decisions can be made for you.

But real men go to war.
And in war, sometimes you just have to fight two opponents at once and still win to tell the tale.

To conclude this post seriously and without mocking: sPvP exists for balanced matches, Anet said from the very conception of WvW that wasn’t going to be as balanced as a competitive part of the game. The opportunity to 2v1, make alliances, and other things that supersede the mundane RunToTower → Lay Siege → Maybe Defend Siege → BreakDoor → CaptureTower → RunToNextObjective → Repeat gameplay that WvW is pretty much otherwise.

I’ve always been a strong advocate of the social gameplay aspect of wvw, which basically includes any strategy that isn’t directly combat oriented. If I wanted faceless enemies who I had no impact on, I would be in PvE.

Postscript: I got sidetracked somewhere, but I’m posting it anyway.

Esplen.3940:

shimmerless.4560:

Esplen.3940:

Well, the only problem is that Halting Strike scales with Power, but interrupting is typically in place for condition damage builds.

Why do you say this? Skills like Dom Signet, F3 shatter, Pistol #5 etc. seem fairly build-ambiguous.

Halting Strikes is the damage-dealing interrupt. It deals 500% more damage, but it still deals 150 + power scale.

If you take the 500% into account, then it deals 750 + Power Scale (not 1-1 I don’t think).

F3 shatter won’t interrupt 3-4 times, it’ll interrupt once, twice at most (thrice if you’re great at clone positioning).

Food for thought.

Don’t forget that dropping Chaos Storm in a group of people usually procs a few Interrupts.

And you don’t have to be great at clone positioning, you just have to make sure they each have different targets to run to. Temporal Curtain will AoE interupt too. Illusionary Wave on GS. Counter Blade Dazes (Interrupts) foes in a line.

Mesmers have interrupts up the kitten if they choose to use them.

LumAnth.5124:

This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE buff to my very gimmicky and awful interrupt build that centered around Imbued Diversion.

I already have the traits settled out previous to these “patch notes” because I thought Imbued Diversion was a hidden treasure trove and built a mass interrupt build.

That is, if the patch notes are real

I’ve been working on a similar build for some time,
I’ve already made plans to revisit it if these patch notes turn out to be real

I believe the reason Anet cited for character bound Commander tags (And has been brought up in this thread already), is that they want servers to recognize the good commanders and not have people come in with new names all the time

katniss.6735:

I don’t know where that information stemmed from, as I don’t often read the forums as a means of WvWing prowess. The only way you could know how we behave is if you’ve played with us and heard how we speak. There’s no black and white answer for every situation.

For factual purposes:

1). Mag is weak in oceanic. Always have been. This is when we complain, do karma trains, don’t play, sleep.

2.) Mag respects individual skill and specific guilds based on our encounters with them from a pug standpoint, and a guild standpoint. I’m sure most everyone on every server responds this way.

3.) The forums are a joke.

This is the thing though,
I think everyone with a brain knows that the people who actually PLAY on Maguuma are probably fine.

Reality doesn’t always work so logically though,
And the most vocal group of forum posters for any given server have major impact on that server’s reputation with other servers, whether they are representative of that server’s majority opinion or not,
For Maguuma that most vocal group of forum posters are poor sports and kittens.

EDIT: If I had looked at who I was responding to, my post likely would have been different, but I don’t want to rewrite it all now so i’m just gonna stick with it.

Pinko.2076:

I was sitting inside Mag garrison, laughing at the DB that wouldn’t come 1v1 me. Didn’t get a pic tho.

If you’re inside the garrison,
How was someone supposed to come 1v1 you?

Your story is coming apart already

iBerserker will get you tags, even with the skill not performing optimally.

I don’t like using Greatsword is zerg vs. zerg fights though, I always felt like I got focused on a lot faster in zergs when I used the GS, I think the flashiness of Spatial Surge makes you stand out of a crowd too much.

If you’re a particularly daring mesmer (I often am), I’ll just suicide dive into the enemy zerg, unload a couple shatters then blow all my mobility/evasive/invulnerability CDs to get back out of combat.

For the most part though, I don’t focus on tagging people in zerg combat.
Just do whatever you need to be doing to make sure your team wins and collect whatever loot bags you happen to get at the end.

Calvin.5380:

Now this is Mags NOT running away… Mag zerg killing my solo guardian. Maybe this is what they meant when they said they like open field Trolololol….

According to your signature, you don’t have a guardian

zastari.1730:

Calvin.5380:

Darius Glazkov.9750:

Calvin.5380:

Haven’t seen much of PYRO on field so far. I did see a few ME and DARPs in a few blobs, but no stragglers. What’s happening to Maguuma?

we’ve been playing with FA. they invited us to their BL for tea this week.

and you know, having 80 DB respond to your 15man team at any hour of the day is no fun.

your NA is stronger than ours, it’s just your fairweathers.

Same happened to us last week when we fought BG and JQ. Though, I thought that was fun… continuous action, and lots of lootz! I’ll take the previous week’s match over this one any day.

Did you even bother to look at the ss JohnWiddin posted taken during NA primetime? Apparently not.

Most of us play in FA BL because the fights… actually exist. Rather than the DB strategy – are the numbers close to even? Run to nearest tower / backup. Are the numbers really uneven in my favor? OK push !!!!!

FA will actually come out in the open to fight. Ebay did as well. DB hides in towers until they have enough of a zerg to lag the map because they know all they can do in open field is roll over and die.

For a server that complains about DB running away from fights so often, I have seen more Maguumans die because they’d rather jump off a cliff than engage me in a fight than I’ve seen from any other server.

gidorah.4960:

pigtaro.2749:

gidorah.4960:

eithinan.9841:

gidorah.4960:

Mister Mustard.7203:

gidorah.4960:

Eviator.9746:

We learned some new things against JQ and BG last week. Mostly we learned that our server is mostly fairweathers.

i don’t underastand how you can expect anything else with being the new bandwagon server. it has been the case with every other bandwagon server as soon as the easy wins stop the new people don’t show up anymore. why did you think this wasnt the case with db to make this some sort of suprise?

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

Do you have another theory for us?

sure i have another theory. you got the transfers in t3 they got you to t2 where you didnt dominate and so they lost interest the same as many other bandwagon servers.

No. You are wrong. We were going to T2 because we dominated T3 with our SEA population. The first transfers came the week before we went to T2.

Get your facts straight or muzzle yourself.

lol so once again your facts are you got the transfers in while winning in t3 and then after things got hard in t2 they stopped showing up.

That’s what I m talking about – tier 1 elite forum warrior.

i mostly just can’t understand how your server defends itself from accusations of bandwaggoning by posting proof you got the transfers while still winning t3. at the same time complainging about all the fairweathers on your server if you cant see the obvious its because you are willfully ignorant

We’ve always had a lot of fairweathers.
They didn’t suddenly appear with the transfers.
They’ve always been around to make us seem overbearing when we’re winning and overrated when we’re losing.

The guilds that have come in are still the guilds I see out there everyday regardless of the score, along with the old DB guilds that have always fought hard.

We were effectively already in tier 2 when we started getting a mass of transfers,
Whether it was from our preformance in tier 3 or Kaineng falling from tier 2, it really makes no difference to the fact that the transfers didn’t help us get to tier 2. That was already a thing.