Guild Wars 2

Narcissus.1058:

EnRohbi.2187:

Narcissus.1058:

I just have one comment. If you are from a higher tier coming in here to tell us to quit whining, get out now. No one wants you in this thread. This is for ppl from t8 and ppl who realize that this is a problem.

Erm,
You seem to have difficulty with the concept of a public forum.

High tier players telling us to suck it up and move servers/fight harder have difficulty with the concept of server pride/being outnumbered 23/7

If server pride is more important to you than your WvW gaming experience, then you have made a personal choice. And sometimes personal choices come with consequences. You don’t get to just have everything you want.

And you’re talking like many servers in this game haven’t gone through losing streaks/being heavily outnumbered for weeks or months.
But the people with REAL server pride sucked it up and kept playing instead of spamming the forums all day.

Narcissus.1058:

I just have one comment. If you are from a higher tier coming in here to tell us to quit whining, get out now. No one wants you in this thread. This is for ppl from t8 and ppl who realize that this is a problem.

Erm,
You seem to have difficulty with the concept of a public forum.

Nozzie.2067:

Serebus.7314:

Le Rooster.8715:

wolf.1895:

Luvpie.8350:

Elano.2014:

santi.7516:

Time for YB to sleep, go and night cap everything guys, it’s all yours for your PvDoor needs.

It’s not our fault if YB gets owned. Blame your nightcrew.

YB’s non-NA punch well above their weight. They have been fighting seriously outmanned for months & still keep coming back for more.

No. I suggest YB and DB guilds/players that are looking for a server with excellent PvE base and great oceanic coverage to come to SoS. NA SoS has no queues even on reset night on ANY map. Guilds are helpful and work together even for guild missions.

If you don’t care about points enjoy the game and matchup

Let’s flip that around and make DB the next big thing

Hahha i’m pree content with tier 3 though

how about no one get any transfers so that we all stay in t3, no one wants to move up and get kitten and no one wants to move down and roll face.

Or we could have some of each servers respective primetime players distribute themselves amongst the other two servers & make this a proper 24/7 even contest. It wont happen but I can dream of a truly balanced tier.

By the way, t4 is not a faceroll for YB. The only server in t4 that can actually score 500+ PPT with relative ease is CD when their east Asia crew turns up.

It’d be nice,
But the obvious flaw is that one of the servers from tier 2 or 4 would eventually move down/up and kitten up the whole plan

Churchill.8714:

When SoS can beat Grenth with randoms then it can claim excellent PVE base.

Is that all it takes?

Dogskins.1259:

By your logic, losing = fun? No. YB wants to win, and come hell or high water we will do so. Get ready because we won’t quit. Unless you bring more people than us, then we will move to another map or something, but you know what I was getting at.

Well,
Then I have no idea why you’re still playing.
Maybe you should quit,
Because you know SoS and DB flips every single piece of territory every night.

Jeknar.6184:

EnRohbi.2187:

WvW can never have too many mesmers

Mesmers are rather complicated for starters…

I started with a Mesmer and have enjoyed the entire time of it.
They’re not that complicated to play competently, they’re just harder to completely master.

And if his wife is already into PvE, I’d wager she knows enough about the game to get a handle on it.

Dogskins.1259:

EnRohbi.2187:

Fiorrello.8126:

went to bed with yaks bend in a dominating lead, wake up with us in last place and most of our stuff flipped.

sometimes i wonder why i even bother.

To play for fun, good battles during the time you’re online, and not for points? o;

Says the guy from the server in the lead tho…

Yeah but,
When you play for fun and good battles, and not for points,
Being in the lead doesn’t mean much :P

I was still playing last night while YB was in the lead too, because the battles were good and I was having fun

EDIT: Also, SoS is really in the lead.

Fiorrello.8126:

went to bed with yaks bend in a dominating lead, wake up with us in last place and most of our stuff flipped.

sometimes i wonder why i even bother.

To play for fun, good battles during the time you’re online, and not for points? o;

WvW can never have too many mesmers

It’s kind of interesting,
From all the scores available so far on millenium, green server is not winning in any tiers, but will likely be winning in just about all of them by the end of the week.

Ungood.3054:

EnRohbi.2187:

Go look through score histories,
Look at just Kaineng as an example.
They’re a tier 2 server and they steamrolled everything up to and including tier 3. And tier 1 is a whole other plateau above them.

If you’re pretending to think tier 8 would even be able to hold a single tower against Jade Quarry then you are the one who is trolling.

You fail to grasp what I am saying (Well not just you, by the several posts I have read, quite a few people missed the point like a crop duster flying into a house missed the landing strip)

What I am saying I do not fret over any match up, even one that would pit ET against JQ, especially if it would be better for the game overall. In fact I would welcome it, and find some good in it.

In the end, we have a problem with the tiers caused by Free Transfers, if fixing that means that a match up as lop sides as ET facing JQ happens, I do not fear that. And, I don’t get why anyone else would.

What’s the worst that will happen, you get a little slice of humble pie for one match up? You fear that, the truth is, you dearly need it.

I WvWed every day through a guild exodus when Dragonbrand was lucky to tick +100 at the very top of its primetime for a solid two months (This is a guess, it happened in the fall. Correct me if I’m wrong) So continually implying that I’m afraid to lose is largely pointless.

But there is simply no way to fix tier 8 without breaking other tiers. And I am confident in assuming that the majority of players would rather have fair matchups than new ones every week. I’m sure everyone would LIKE new matches every week, I certainly would, but it’s not feasible here.

With how hard it is to achieve any sort of balanced matches as it is now, if the system were any significant amount more volatile it would begin to make it highly unlikely in any tier that you’d see a fair match in any way.

I certainly would not mind if a few small tweaks to Glicko were to occur.
Like putting a ratings floor and cap in tiers 8 and 1 respectively.
Adding a limit for amount of consecutive weeks servers can win by a certain margin before moving up a tier/a limit for how long a server can be demolished for before falling.

Both of those things would help tier 8.
I’m not like, maliciously trying to make tier 8 stay down in the abyss so I can laugh at it or anything. I just think it’s ridiculous how many members of tier 8 are advocating ridiculous systems overhaul (Like WULD, for example, though that’s not at all for this thread) that would destroy the entire ladder and not even fix their problems.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Alright, now that I have successfully derailed the conversation, (and have become the envy of everyone) we should get back to how horrible the Glicko system is, and how it pales in comparison to STDs.

I would prefer Glicko, myself.

Mindtrick.5190:

Grats DB on the win

In the least hateful, revengy,
most goodsportsmanshippy sort of way…

It feels good

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Manoa.5897:

To be frank, a month to a month-and-a-half discrepancy is a pretty large discrepancy when you’re dealing with only a handful of months to begin with.

And is that what you’re grumpy about? That you were wrong and you got called out in public about it? This was not the first time that your “+/- 3 months of domination” idea isn’t entirely accurate was brought to your attention in public. You dismissed it before. I had hoped that something like that coming from a fellow servermate would have gone over a little bit better. If I were on the receiving end, I would have graciously thanked the fellow servermate for correcting me and just moved on instead of insisting that their point didn’t matter and was completely invalid.

Because let’s be honest, the domination timeframe IS a completely valid issue in these posts.

I never said your point was invalid, just that a month difference does not mean much to the overall picture (in my opinion).

As I said before, if that is what someone is focusing on to say my arguments are invalid then they are not truly looking to discuss the actual problem, the skewing of the T8 ratings. To me, whether we have been dominating 2 or 3 months (+/- since you say 1.5 and two others have said 2) is a very small fish in the T8 rating pond. It is a fish, but not that big in the overall scheme of things. Does that mean I am wrong and you are right? Not at all, because it is a matter of opinion on how much it actually means to the argument.

Is 3 months inaccurate, sure. I never argued that. And I kept dismissing that in my posts to elRohbi (or however you spell it) because I had my reasons. But those posts (mine and his) were not productive anyway based on his false “facts”, failure to support anything he said, and only focusing on one thing I had to say instead of actually arguing to the topic AND me just tearing down his false “fact” statements. You were not involved in those so I am not sure why you are feeling the need to attack me using those posts as examples.

To those that want to actually discuss the real topic I have no problem with stating +/- 2 months as the time frame of the domination.

And as for the coming from a fellow servermate, take this for example. Where you work, if you see a report that someone on your team sends out to everyone that has a numbers mistake/error, do you email everyone and tell them they screwed up their calculations and that they should make sure they are accurate in everything they do? Or do you email that person and notify them of the mistake?

Boy, you really don’t know how to let something go, do you? :P
The only post of mine that Manoa referenced (And did so without even namedropping me) was the one where I pointed out (And in this particular post, I did back up my arguments) that your numbers were wrong.
That is not a false fact, that is a true fact.
The true fact being that your number is wrong.

And incidentally,
You accuse me repeatedly (Repeatedly, as in, to the point that it is the bulk of every single one of your posts directed at me) of not directly responding to what was said to me, and yet you are doing the very same thing with both myself and Manoa.
We have both explained to you that being accurate with your numbers is important, and explained why. Something that you have not addressed in any way other than to say “Well, they’re not important to me so they shouldn’t matter to anyone” (I paraphrased, but that is exactly the point you seem to be trying to make)

You’ve taken a thread that’s supposed to be about tier 8 and made it only about you being right and nobody else knowing how to post. And that is why you’ve had at least 3 different posts deleted by mods from this thread already.

You, yourself, stopped discussing the actual problem with tier 8 many, many posts ago.

EDIT: God help you if you think this is more “trolling”.

EDIT 2: If a coworker of mine published a report with incorrect numbers, I would indeed make a public correction. Telling him privately that he was incorrect would not educate the people who read the report. Just like telling you privately that 3 months is a wildly inaccurate number would not educate the rest of the forum to the fact it was much less time than that.

Porky.5021:

EnRohbi.2187:

And the unfortunate reality of a server’s presence on the forum is that the loudest posters set the reputation for the rest of them. In your case, is OG.
Just like a handful of hackers on any given server can ruin its reputation in game, same thing applies to forum warriors here.

Then every server is the same. Hackers, loudmouths, braggarts, and jerks.

What a community we have here.

Well, yeah,
That’s kinda how large internet communities go. :P

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

katz.8376:

i would probably say 2 months +/- myself

and as for the dance/laugh/etc stuff… i’ve sat down next to dead bodies left in keeps and towers and whatnot. i’m saying “i see you, i know you’re waiting here to spy, or waiting for your hidden buddy to come res you. i’m watching.” i’ve seen people from all 3 current tier 8 servers do the dance/laugh/point routine… heck, i had a SF T-bag me with a golem this morning (spamming 5 and moving before the “leave golem” command finished, so the golem kept bobbing up and down)

and as for the . 4 5 thing… the only things i can think of are the references to a caliber of firearm, OR a particular malt beverage associated with being favored by a certain demographic. other than that, i got no clue

Good call on the gun or alcohol reference, didn’t think of that at all.

.45 isn’t censored though, n .45 is.
I had considered the same thing briefly.

It’s also a byproduct of Anet’s insistence that your server is your identity in WvW.
As they’ve clearly established when they explained part of the reason they don’t show character names of opposing teams is because they want you to feel like you’re facing the whole server and not individuals from it.

The game itself wants us to generalize

EDIT: I’m not continuing to argue (Didn’t fully consider it an argument in the first place, I am enjoying myself at the moment), I just did not consider to include that in my last post and I felt it related enough to be worth mentioning.

saiyr.3071:

I might agree that it was human nature, but I would also say that it’s idiotic to continue said judgment under the realization that that was exactly what was happening. But by all means, continue. Sorry I ever respected your posts

Also when put into practice (As you can see me doing right here as I talk to you), I don’t actually treat individuals from Maguuma based on the generalization of the server unless they are part of the reason it has that reputation.
But when I speak of “Maguuma the Server”, I will do so in accordance to the reputation they’ve established.

saiyr.3071:

EnRohbi.2187:

saiyr.3071:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Except everytime Maguuma gets into tier 3 they just throw the match so they can go back to easier battles.

I wouldn’t confuse smaller with easier. They prefer smaller zergs and lots of roaming play, that doesn’t mean they are looking for ‘easier’. Besides I do not think they actually threw the match so much as they just didn’t have the coverage.

They look for easier… (Love the fight clubs with mag…) But when it comes to the game of WvW mags will sit there watch a siege between the other two servers…. When it is about over and the two servers have about wiped each other out mags will run in and try to wipe the capping group… It’s a sound tactic but its sad and just screams vulture….

Why should an underpopulated server play to your strengths? It’s a three way battle for a reason. I enjoy that aspect of the game far more then I enjoy watching two servers see who can stack the best.

Yes but the attitude that mags usually brings with it is horrendous… (OG LOOKING ATCHU!)

I’m really glad you’re generalizing an entire server based on a guild that nobody, not even from anyone from Maguuma, really likes because of their attitude.

EnRohbi.2187:

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Except everytime Maguuma gets into tier 3 they just throw the match so they can go back to easier battles.

I wouldn’t confuse smaller with easier. They prefer smaller zergs and lots of roaming play, that doesn’t mean they are looking for ‘easier’. Besides I do not think they actually threw the match so much as they just didn’t have the coverage.

They look for easier… (Love the fight clubs with mag…) But when it comes to the game of WvW mags will sit there watch a siege between the other two servers…. When it is about over and the two servers have about wiped each other out mags will run in and try to wipe the capping group… It’s a sound tactic but its sad and just screams vulture….

Why should an underpopulated server play to your strengths? It’s a three way battle for a reason. I enjoy that aspect of the game far more then I enjoy watching two servers see who can stack the best.

Yes but the attitude that mags usually brings with it is horrendous… (OG LOOKING ATCHU!) It’s just mind boggling to me when mag owns nothing in their BL and no one is really in their BL from other servers but they must be in the other servers business as they are hashing it out… IF you want the points… Own your home BL… I never leave my home BL aside from fight clubs here and there… There is always something to do… Upgrades… Escorts… Tickling siege (people don’t do that enough)

PPT is not the goal for many players, specially those that play on servers that haven’t had a close match in a long time.

Whether points are the focus or not,
Mag has a kittenty attitude.

Mag may have the players to be a better server than Yak’s,
But they don’t use them.

I want my opponent to actually WvW, not kitten around and idle off in the distance.

I don’t really know how it’s our fault that our fairweathers vanish into thin air when we hit T3. Must be our kittenty attitude?

A server is only as good as the fairweather players they can convince to keep fighting when behind in points

And the unfortunate reality of a server’s presence on the forum is that the loudest posters set the reputation for the rest of them. In your case, is OG.
Just like a handful of hackers on any given server can ruin its reputation in game, same thing applies to forum warriors here.

By that reasoning we should still be calling your server a hacking server. Have more respect.

Oh come on,
You can’t tell me I’ve offended you.

It’s basically human nature that they judge any group based on the worst members in it. Applies outside of video games too.

EDIT REPLY TO YOUR EDIT: Yeah, I’ve noticed him turn his attention back onto Maguuma over the past month or so as well.
But it seems like many Maguumans prides themselves on their forum warriors until people accuse them of having an attitude, and then they get all defensive about generalizing their server.

saiyr.3071:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Except everytime Maguuma gets into tier 3 they just throw the match so they can go back to easier battles.

I wouldn’t confuse smaller with easier. They prefer smaller zergs and lots of roaming play, that doesn’t mean they are looking for ‘easier’. Besides I do not think they actually threw the match so much as they just didn’t have the coverage.

They look for easier… (Love the fight clubs with mag…) But when it comes to the game of WvW mags will sit there watch a siege between the other two servers…. When it is about over and the two servers have about wiped each other out mags will run in and try to wipe the capping group… It’s a sound tactic but its sad and just screams vulture….

Why should an underpopulated server play to your strengths? It’s a three way battle for a reason. I enjoy that aspect of the game far more then I enjoy watching two servers see who can stack the best.

Yes but the attitude that mags usually brings with it is horrendous… (OG LOOKING ATCHU!)

I’m really glad you’re generalizing an entire server based on a guild that nobody, not even from anyone from Maguuma, really likes because of their attitude.

EnRohbi.2187:

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Except everytime Maguuma gets into tier 3 they just throw the match so they can go back to easier battles.

I wouldn’t confuse smaller with easier. They prefer smaller zergs and lots of roaming play, that doesn’t mean they are looking for ‘easier’. Besides I do not think they actually threw the match so much as they just didn’t have the coverage.

They look for easier… (Love the fight clubs with mag…) But when it comes to the game of WvW mags will sit there watch a siege between the other two servers…. When it is about over and the two servers have about wiped each other out mags will run in and try to wipe the capping group… It’s a sound tactic but its sad and just screams vulture….

Why should an underpopulated server play to your strengths? It’s a three way battle for a reason. I enjoy that aspect of the game far more then I enjoy watching two servers see who can stack the best.

Yes but the attitude that mags usually brings with it is horrendous… (OG LOOKING ATCHU!) It’s just mind boggling to me when mag owns nothing in their BL and no one is really in their BL from other servers but they must be in the other servers business as they are hashing it out… IF you want the points… Own your home BL… I never leave my home BL aside from fight clubs here and there… There is always something to do… Upgrades… Escorts… Tickling siege (people don’t do that enough)

PPT is not the goal for many players, specially those that play on servers that haven’t had a close match in a long time.

Whether points are the focus or not,
Mag has a kittenty attitude.

Mag may have the players to be a better server than Yak’s,
But they don’t use them.

I want my opponent to actually WvW, not kitten around and idle off in the distance.

I don’t really know how it’s our fault that our fairweathers vanish into thin air when we hit T3. Must be our kittenty attitude?

A server is only as good as the fairweather players they can convince to keep fighting when behind in points

And the unfortunate reality of a server’s presence on the forum is that the loudest posters set the reputation for the rest of them. In your case, is OG.
Just like a handful of hackers on any given server can ruin its reputation in game, same thing applies to forum warriors here.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Ungood.3054:

EnRohbi.2187:

Ungood.3054:

EnRohbi.2187:

I can tell you with some certainty that if Jade Quarry faced any tier 8 server you would literally be spawn camped 24/7 until the next reset.
Learning new things is nice, but you wouldn’t get the chance as you’d never even see a supply camp.

All I will say about this, is you assume much.

I know we’ve disagreed about many things in the past.
But you are delusional if you expect to even get an opportunity to use real tactics against Jade Quarry as a tier 8 server.
It’s an assumption, yes, but it is a correct one.

I’ll say it again. You assume much, most of which I have found lacking any support, like making claims that any T7 server would be the same as SF. When you make outlandish remarks, you can’t expect people to suddenly take you seriously.

*Can you promise that would not learn anything, no you can’t. Thus you assume much.

*Can you promise that we would not get to use tactics or have fun with them, again, you can’t. So you assume much.

The only thing you do know is that we would lose, but so what, since when as ET or FC shied away from a losing battle.

I feel bad that if the prospect of losing is so scary to some people, that they feel obligated to try and maintaining a messed up system out of fear of facing a blowout match from time to time.

I agree Ungood. I tried explaining things to this guy but he only wants to troll, he never actually answers direct questions, etc. I just stopped answering because his trollness was obvious and tiresome.

Excuse me, but I believe my conversation with Ungood right now is perfectly civil.

If you have any doubt at all about how much completely dramatically different tiers 1 and 8 are, transfer up for a week or two and see for yourself. I’ve been through every rank between tiers 6 and 2 and I can tell you from personal confirmed experience that the difference is so vast that you wouldn’t have a chance against a tier 1 server.

Go look through score histories,
Look at just Kaineng as an example.
They’re a tier 2 server and they steamrolled everything up to and including tier 3. And tier 1 is a whole other plateau above them.

If you’re pretending to think tier 8 would even be able to hold a single tower against Jade Quarry then you are the one who is trolling.

EDIT: I know a clarification is a little late on this, but none of this is a sleight against tier 8 servers. I see no shame in being in tier 8, just like I had no issues when DB was riding the very bottom of tier 5. It’s just you’ve spent so long facing the same servers that you don’t seem to be aware how different the rest of the tiers are.

Ungood.3054:

EnRohbi.2187:

I can tell you with some certainty that if Jade Quarry faced any tier 8 server you would literally be spawn camped 24/7 until the next reset.
Learning new things is nice, but you wouldn’t get the chance as you’d never even see a supply camp.

All I will say about this, is you assume much.

I know we’ve disagreed about many things in the past.
But you are delusional if you expect to even get an opportunity to use real tactics against Jade Quarry as a tier 8 server.
It’s an assumption, yes, but it is a correct one.

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

jportell.2197:

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Except everytime Maguuma gets into tier 3 they just throw the match so they can go back to easier battles.

I wouldn’t confuse smaller with easier. They prefer smaller zergs and lots of roaming play, that doesn’t mean they are looking for ‘easier’. Besides I do not think they actually threw the match so much as they just didn’t have the coverage.

They look for easier… (Love the fight clubs with mag…) But when it comes to the game of WvW mags will sit there watch a siege between the other two servers…. When it is about over and the two servers have about wiped each other out mags will run in and try to wipe the capping group… It’s a sound tactic but its sad and just screams vulture….

Why should an underpopulated server play to your strengths? It’s a three way battle for a reason. I enjoy that aspect of the game far more then I enjoy watching two servers see who can stack the best.

Yes but the attitude that mags usually brings with it is horrendous… (OG LOOKING ATCHU!) It’s just mind boggling to me when mag owns nothing in their BL and no one is really in their BL from other servers but they must be in the other servers business as they are hashing it out… IF you want the points… Own your home BL… I never leave my home BL aside from fight clubs here and there… There is always something to do… Upgrades… Escorts… Tickling siege (people don’t do that enough)

PPT is not the goal for many players, specially those that play on servers that haven’t had a close match in a long time.

Whether points are the focus or not,
Mag has a kittenty attitude.

Mag may have the players to be a better server than Yak’s,
But they don’t use them.

I want my opponent to actually WvW, not kitten around and idle off in the distance.

John Widdin.9618:

EnRohbi.2187:

So, if you guys ever fall back to Tier 3 again I can expect a much more pleasant forumgoing experience? o;

Not with Maguuma around there won’t be.

Maguuma are fun to forum-warrior with though.

So, if you guys ever fall back to Tier 3 again I can expect a much more pleasant forumgoing experience? o;

Ungood.3054:

EnRohbi.2187:

Ungood.3054:

Quoting this made the post too long to submit

The problem with just reseting the scores is that there are balance problems through all tiers. Tier 8 is the only tier that’s really going to benefit from a ratings reset. (Yes, I’m aware many of my arguments are along the lines of “Anet won’t upset the many to fix the problems of the few”, but it’s still valid here).

Hummm. I don’t fully grasp this view. I mean when I walk out into the WvWvW battle grounds, I am there to fight. Winning or losing, T8 or T2, are not an issue for me, they were not an issue when I started, they have not become one.

The main point of contention is the tedium of stagnant match up, if you gave me the choice of facing SF again or Jade Quarry, I’d take JQ, and I believe anyone else who enjoys gaming for the thrill of battle, would as well. Not because I think I have a chance against JQ, but because it would be something new. In fact, the idea that I may learn something would be enticing, and think anyone that enjoys challenge for the sake of it, would feel the same thrill at the prospect of diverse opponents.

In many ways, I think it would be better for the game over all, we have many new people, and many servers that have become complacent. A reset would set old beliefs away, just like the people that come here and mention that ET and FC don’t have fight, I think it would be highly enlightening for some of them to come on over and see how much fight we have in us. Just like I am sure some servers would like see how well SF really stands up now days.

Much has changed over the months with the transfers ended people have rutted in. The rutting is where the problem lies. Anyone that would not want to see chaos thrown in the system does not truly have a fighting spirit burning in them.

Can you honestly say you never wanted to see how well you matched up against SR, or Blackgate, just to see how well you would do? That maybe, win or lose, they would gain some respect for you, and you for them.

I find it hard to believe anyone would really not want to change things up, that they fear a reset because it would mean they would lose from time to time. Have players become that cowardly in WvWvW? For real?

I spoke out a lot against the ratings reset when they had it planned, because of how they had it planned to execute. If a ratings reset were accompanied by 24-72 hour matches again (To “Gather data”, just like after launch), I would strongly support the move.

When I think about it, if they made 2 – 3 day matches, and kept that way, that would also move the system enough to fix the problem in short order as well, because lets be real here, we can normally tell by the end of the weekend who is going to win the week.

So if they simply made it 48 – 72 hour matches that would also fix the tedium up a bit as well. And no one would be worse off due to this kind of change either.

I could get behind making the match up shorter. if they made it 2 day matches, that would make a current month of matches end in a little over a week. That would work the system out faster.

I could see them doing that now that Free Transfers have ended to “gather data”

I can tell you with some certainty that if Jade Quarry faced any tier 8 server you would literally be spawn camped 24/7 until the next reset.
Learning new things is nice, but you wouldn’t get the chance as you’d never even see a supply camp.

Also, I didn’t mention it in my post because it’s a different subject entirely.
But I have long since had the opinion that reverting back to 48-72 hour matches permanently would be a good decision.
Not to alleviate stagnancy though, but because most matches are decided as soon as you know what server you’re playing against. At least if the matches were shorter it would allow your server to really rally together for a few days and win a match that you would otherwise lose due to attrition.
But again, another topic.

And it’s not that I like stagnancy or facing the same servers every week.
But I like balanced matches.

Balance is more important to me than seeing a different nameplate above my opponent’s head. If I really wanted to learn new strategy I would start sitting down and watching the thousands of hours of WvW videos on youtube that every server makes.

I don’t know where you heard this, I wouldn’t mind if you cited your source.
I have certainly not heard this information.

But if it is true,
Great.
I don’t want to be a zerg’s veil kitten any more than I ever liked being people’s portal kitten.

santi.7516:

EnRohbi.2187:

Maguuma and Yak’s Bend are only a fraction of a single rating point apart right now.

I would personally rather have Yak’s around next week.
So you guys should push for the next 24 hours.

Let’s have Tier 3 stay the same two weeks in a row for the first time since DB got here o;

That will not happen, enjoy Maguuma, they have a bigger population than YB anyways so it should be even more balanced.

Except everytime Maguuma gets into tier 3 they just throw the match so they can go back to easier battles.

Maguuma and Yak’s Bend are only a fraction of a single rating point apart right now.

I would personally rather have Yak’s around next week.
So you guys should push for the next 24 hours.

Let’s have Tier 3 stay the same two weeks in a row for the first time since DB got here o;

Esprit Dumort.3109:

A few Superior Rams or a half dozen Golems with Time Warp, and Reinforced Door melt like butter.

Even if you have 8-10 guys on the inside defending, waiting for reinforcements, the enemy will likely break through before you have time to rally.

Keeps are expensive to upgrade, they should not fall like a house of cards because the enemy essentially bought their victory with a ton of siege. Give Keeps Fortified Doors, or give the Reinforced Doors more health to make it truly a target worth holding / taking.

Yeah yeah, all you white knights coming in saying “scout”, “have players there”, “get siege up”, etc… that’s not the point. Even some of the best sieged up Keeps can fall in minutes without an army to spike DPS on a Golem or Superior Ram rush.

Never having played in T1 or T2, I can say that T3 and lower, people have started to not even bother with upgrades (more of the T3 ups) because it’s a waste of gold to upgrade something that takes hours, with siege, and lose it in minutes.

I more consider the issue to be that servers need to learn not to overextend. If they’re. taking territory that they cannot defend, they can’t defend it.

Plus,
Making it take longer for upgraded keeps to fall would only make PvDoor that much more prevalent. It’s already enough of a problem without people having to start sitting on siege smacking a door for 20+ minutes.

FractalChaos.6539:

Ruprect.7260:

Gorefiend.9675:

Ruprect.7260:

I have never seen a fully upgraded keep go down in less than 5 mins unless there was no one there to defend. l2defend/scout.

I have seen a fully upgraded keep go down in less than 5 minutes. Garrison: Outer water gate down in ~1 minute, inner gate down in 10 seconds. captured a minute later.

Undefended maybe. Why u no defend.

There’s the problem. You can’t. The game balance is tilted horribly towards the attackers during sieges. Assume you have 50 invaders in your land, with 30 defenders on the map.

Anything those 50 invaders want to take is going to fall, and there isn’t a kitten thing you can do about it.

1- Siege weaponry cap renders it highly innefectual against massive armies.

2- Line-of-sight favors the attackers. It’s easier to AoE the TOP OF THE WALL from outside than it is for me, standing on top of the wall staring right at them, to use any ranged or AoE attacks.

3- Poor collision detection allows the enemy to turn your gates into death traps. Try to repair them with all that supply you have stocked up. You’ll get knocked off the gate by catapults, or else stunned, poisoned, fried, and knocked into a fresh open grave by a perfect storm of AoE.

50% of the time, I hear a call to defend. The other 50% of the time I hear “Ah let ’em have it…”

So,
All those times I’ve seen 5-10 defenders destroy the siege being used to attack a keep by a zerg of 20-30, and them then backing off because they had no siege/supply left. I guess… Didn’t happen, right?

Digikid.7230:

EnRohbi.2187:

Digikid.7230:

EnRohbi.2187:

Digikid.7230:

I just fought 2 mesmers- it didn’t matter how often I downed them, as they would just use the confusion from their 1 ( I can’t attack them without losing a lot of health) or avoid a stomp (Can’t even invuln stomp them as it teles them away from me)
If that was an engi I’d had downed- he would be dead for sure….. but you know, downed states are perfectly balanced…..

Get them to tell me this secret to how Mesmers never die

You’re missing the point! Downed states are imbalanced, and they all need to be looked at- it’s silly that some classes have better downed abilities than others.

The point I got was that you’re sad you couldn’t 2v1 some mesmers.

As an example- If I , an engi went down in that same fight- I probally would have died, but they, as memers didn’t die (because their downed state is better than mine.)
Now I know engis are weak, and have the worst downed state in the game, but that ticked me off of how silly the whole downed state mechanic is- it needs balancing.

So why do you believe that Mesmer’s Downed state should be nerfed instead of Engi’s Downed State being buffed?

Digikid.7230:

EnRohbi.2187:

Digikid.7230:

I just fought 2 mesmers- it didn’t matter how often I downed them, as they would just use the confusion from their 1 ( I can’t attack them without losing a lot of health) or avoid a stomp (Can’t even invuln stomp them as it teles them away from me)
If that was an engi I’d had downed- he would be dead for sure….. but you know, downed states are perfectly balanced…..

Get them to tell me this secret to how Mesmers never die

You’re missing the point! Downed states are imbalanced, and they all need to be looked at- it’s silly that some classes have better downed abilities than others.

The point I got was that you’re sad you couldn’t 2v1 some mesmers.

Digikid.7230:

I just fought 2 mesmers- it didn’t matter how often I downed them, as they would just use the confusion from their 1 ( I can’t attack them without losing a lot of health) or avoid a stomp (Can’t even invuln stomp them as it teles them away from me)
If that was an engi I’d had downed- he would be dead for sure….. but you know, downed states are perfectly balanced…..

Get them to tell me this secret to how Mesmers never die

Spurnshadow.3678:

OMG.

It’s amazing how threads turn into a qq fest or how people criticize other peoples play calling them stupid for not using this ability or don’t do this and then turn around and call the other guy stupid for calling me stupid.

The OP and this tread is all about how there is a barrier on a wall that is designed to protect you from A SINGLE PULL, but due to poor programming, the collision detection does not work and is pulled off a wall as if the barrier is not there. We’re not talking about a ramp that has no barrier. We’re not talking about a section of the wall that has no barrier, like the western part of the northern inner bay gate. That’s it.

This should not turn into a discussion about the pull skill itself. Please, try to stay on topic. Start a new topic on “co-ordinated mesmer pulls are overpowered.” or something if that’s what you want to talk about.

Except the very title of the thread says “Mesmer pull broken” not “Wall edges broken”

Gamadorn.2659:

“We use existing mechanics like player kills and event completions to award world XP, but it is an entirely new system with new pieces of data associated to it so unfortunately there’s no way to award retroactive progress”

Ok…Like what?

Give me the data i’ll give you the conversion….don’t worry…i’ll wait….i’ll even do it for free lol

It is still possible that by “New pieces of data” they mean it’s based off something other than just how many kills/escorts/defends/etc. that you’ve done.

If the World XP is based off, say, a combination of kills and how many people were attacking the enemy, then Anet just doesn’t have the data recorded to make the calculations retroactively and thus, would make it impossible for you to do so as well.

Tearofsoul.9843:

I heard DB is kicking axx here.

kuora.5402:

EnRohbi.2187:

Bunter.3795:

For all those saying that the dedicated WvW players shouldn’t get anything for their past acheivements, I have a way to make you see the other side of things.

In the future, legendary weapons will be automatically upgraded to ascended status when ascended weapons are introduced. What if they didn’t? Why should they be? According to your arguments, it’s fair that everyone starts at the same level. Therefore when that update comes around, only legendary weapons created after that update should get asceneded stats. Think the PVE crowd would go for that? Think the Devs would allow that to happen? I don’t think so. Yet here are many of you saying it’s perfectly fine to not track and rewared the WvW players for the things they’ve done.

WvW players have created their “legendary” by playing WvW. Why shouldn’t they be rewarded for what they have accomplished in the past? If the new system awards 1xp point for each kill in WvW in future, why can’t the current people who have kills get rewareded that 1xp for them? From what I understand, there is going to be new tracks which is fine, it’s new and everyone should start at the same point then but if it tracks anything that has been tracked in the past, it should reward the people for what they have done.

You will be rewarded for your legendary when they are granted ascended stats, why shouldn’t the WvW crowd be rewarded for their "possessions’ they already have attained. It’s only fair.

Legendary weapons are being upgraded to ascended stats because Legendary Weapons with Exotic stats will no longer exist. It is changing an item already in the game, not adding new items. And it will update with players who already have the item much like Skill balances update players who’ve already unlocked the skills effected.

WvW achievement tracks are not being removed. The game mode is simply having things added.
You’re not losing any progress you’ve made. But you’re also not getting a free ride towards new things that you have not made any progress towards.

How the heck is it a ‘free ride’ if we’ve worked for it over 1500 hours for some people, hundreds of gold and boatload of frustration over Anet for not giving a rat’s arze about WvW for 7 months?

I think I have spent nearly 1.5k gold, over 1.5k hours of play time and millions of karma spent in WvW. Yes I actually did spend that much. What if I spent all that in PvE? I would have 5 legendaries by now lol… and asking anet for us to be awarded for that is a ‘free ride’? what the kitten?

1500 gold?
You MIGHT have two legendaries.

The fact is,
You spent all that time and money in WvW for the promise of nothing except enjoyment, badges and extremely arduous title tracks.
You dedicated that time for the rewards that were on the table at the time, and that’s what you’ll receive.

taek.9386:

What a classy bunch of players!

They are doing a good job of enforcing the outer border of our territory.
Like a real military unit

That very moment when we’re in first place for the first time in weeks.

By 2 points~

Bunter.3795:

For all those saying that the dedicated WvW players shouldn’t get anything for their past acheivements, I have a way to make you see the other side of things.

In the future, legendary weapons will be automatically upgraded to ascended status when ascended weapons are introduced. What if they didn’t? Why should they be? According to your arguments, it’s fair that everyone starts at the same level. Therefore when that update comes around, only legendary weapons created after that update should get asceneded stats. Think the PVE crowd would go for that? Think the Devs would allow that to happen? I don’t think so. Yet here are many of you saying it’s perfectly fine to not track and rewared the WvW players for the things they’ve done.

WvW players have created their “legendary” by playing WvW. Why shouldn’t they be rewarded for what they have accomplished in the past? If the new system awards 1xp point for each kill in WvW in future, why can’t the current people who have kills get rewareded that 1xp for them? From what I understand, there is going to be new tracks which is fine, it’s new and everyone should start at the same point then but if it tracks anything that has been tracked in the past, it should reward the people for what they have done.

You will be rewarded for your legendary when they are granted ascended stats, why shouldn’t the WvW crowd be rewarded for their "possessions’ they already have attained. It’s only fair.

Legendary weapons are being upgraded to ascended stats because Legendary Weapons with Exotic stats will no longer exist. It is changing an item already in the game, not adding new items. And it will update with players who already have the item much like Skill balances update players who’ve already unlocked the skills effected.

WvW achievement tracks are not being removed. The game mode is simply having things added.
You’re not losing any progress you’ve made. But you’re also not getting a free ride towards new things that you have not made any progress towards.

Tygr.9402:

EnRohbi.2187:

Tygr.9402:

EnRohbi.2187:

On another note, though.
Where is SoS right now? ._.

Based on that picture I would say we’re all camping.

I’m just surprised.
The score has looked something like that since I woke up this morning

Last time we closed 20,000 points of a gap in one day was in like tier 5

Just different time zones, or work/school schedules. When I woke up it was almost all green.

Yeah, I know SoS rocks it during Oceanic and REALLY early mornings before our Asians get on. But you have to admit that today is not at all reminiscent of scores at this time of day from the rest of the week.

Tygr.9402:

EnRohbi.2187:

On another note, though.
Where is SoS right now? ._.

Based on that picture I would say we’re all camping.

I’m just surprised.
The score has looked something like that since I woke up this morning

Last time we closed 20,000 points of a gap in one day was in like tier 5

Kardiamond.6952:

For those doubting that Mind Blast can hit really hard.

Here is an example of a hit from a GC Mesmer on a nearly full GC Engineer. Keep in mind this is prolly the highest damage it can achieve on a medium armored player without vuln.

P.S : I’m not pushing for a nerf, I’m only answering to people that said mind blast didn’t hit hard if you were not condition build. This is from a power mesmer.

Try to keep in mind also that it has a much slower rate of attack than some other profession’s Downed #1 skill. Thieves or Warriors attack like twice as fast while they’re downed. It’s one of the first things I always notice when I’m playing my alts, I always find myself wishing I could attack that fast as a Mesmer while Downed.

On another note, though.
Where is SoS right now? ._.

Crimedawg.8954:

Niim.9260:

I never said not to do any of what you described, I said not to take ‘everything’ and that the enjoyment factor between those being outmanned and those doing the outmanning are linked. If you take everything, post screenshots on the forum bragging about it, then you are going to have less people to fight. If you leave each enemy with something to fight over, they will keep coming out and having fun, which in turn is fun for you.

I agree posting a screenshot of a 695 ppt isn’t the best approach as its nearly impossible to reach that score if ANYONE is opposing you.

To the poster who expected more from TSym, not sure I understand what you mean. We seem to always get blamed for something so just curious. Drop your guild name and we’ll try to oblige.

Cheers!

tsym was one of the very top WvW guilds back when they were on Dragonbrand, and have continued to have a reputation as a top WvW guild on SoS (At least from everything I’ve read about SoS since).

I think most people on DB expected to see more tsym this week. I had noticed myself that tsym wasn’t out in force like I expected either. I see quite a few tsym’s in zergs or just around BLs, but I’ve only actually seen a real organized tsym group once, and it was mixed in with a bunch of pugs fighting over garrison in SoS BL.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

EnRohbi.2187:

There are some matchups in this game that just suck. It’s not good, but it is a reality of the situation we’re in. And they don’t all have straightforward solutions.

Whoever is arguing for a straightforward-specific solution can do that all they want, it won’t go anywhere, that much has been made clear over time. What arguments should be made (and are being made) is that something needs to change, that should continue until it makes ANet weep of redundancy until they fix it (or even attempt to do so).

The issue I see is that the only real solution to fix WvW in these situations is to start merging servers. Which would create a whole host of other problems as servers with low WvW populations don’t necessarily have low PvE populations.

I’ve seen other people advocate merging EU and NA servers just for WvW. If that turns out to be plausible, it might do some good. But at the moment Anet can’t even seem to figure out how to allow one to Guest from NA->EU or vice versa, so I can’t see this actually happening either.

Between Glicko, free transfers, and the way scores are tallied, Anet laid the foundation themselves for MASSIVE problems with balance in WvW. But unless they completely rebuild WvW from the ground up, they likely don’t really have any solutions they can implement for this that they have anywhere near the resources to do.

So I can’t see anything that COULD change that would help.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Hopefully your additional response is not as much of a red herring as the previous responses which negated nothing and detracted from the point on irrelevant specifics.

Actually,
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said except “We’ve been dominating FC/ET since the beginning of the year”, which as I explained in another very recent post, is not quite true. It wasn’t until close to the end of January that the tier 8 matches started becoming any more unbalanced than any other tier in the game.
And in fact, even then, was not as bad as the scores in tiers 5, 4, and 2.

But even with that said,
Your post just reads like you venting frustration about the situation you’re in.
Which is perfectly valid. I would be frustrated were I in tier 8 as well. But that doesn’t make it a reason for Anet to change their system (Which, arguably, even then wouldn’t fix tier 8 ).

But every tier in this game has gone through similar issues at one point or another. They DO balance out eventually.
If I had to guess Anet’s motives right now, I would say they’re holding back on interfering to fix tier 8 until they see what happens when HoD falls down naturally.

I have stated many times previously, as recently as in this thread, that I agree that Glicko is broken. Or at least not a good rating system for the type of competition we have.
But I’ve also said that there’s nothing they can change about Glicko that would actually make it better. The real source of the problem is with the playerbase being as concentrated as it is, and no other scoring system would fix that. Not Glicko, not WULD, not even Anet hand picking servers to go against each other every week.

There are some matchups in this game that just suck. It’s not good, but it is a reality of the situation we’re in. And they don’t all have straightforward solutions.

Niim.9260:

EnRohbi.2187:

Niim.9260:

Just because you can take everything doesn’t mean you should (in a match where points no longer matter).

I’ve thought about making a similar suggestion, but felt like it would read too much like me whining about nightcapping.

My comment has nothing to do with points or against night capping, everything to do with the enjoyment of those playing during those periods of population disparity both the outmanning and the outmanned. The enjoyment of those two sides, for those interesting in fighting, are linked, increasing the enjoyment of one will increase the enjoyment of the other.

Well, yeah, obviously.
I was talking about the post I was going to write.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

A glass cannon commander who has no idea what the problem actually is, go figure haha.

I put on my rabid gear when I plan to pop my tag, go figure
haha.

I’ll get on a reply to the rest of it in a minute. But you’re replying to my first post of many in this thread and I may only be repeating myself to reply to everything you’ve said.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LOL, still focusing on things that do not matter to the point at hand.

Why are you still responding to my posts if you do not want me to respond to yours? Please, answer Ragnarz post or all the other ones directed towards you that you keep ignoring. Just like you keep ignoring my direct questions.

If you want to actually have a conversation, I have no issue with you responding to me.
But posts like these are very indicative of the fact that you have nothing to say. That you realize you are wrong and have no valid defense left. I addressed you directly and explained to you, all directly related to tier 8’s ratings and points (The very topic and title of this thread) that the numbers you are using are incorrect and blatantly only being used to make your point seem more dramatic than it actually is. And you get back to me with nothing but your standard “You aren’t replying to anyone but me” crap.