Guild Wars 2

Sylosi.6503:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Okay, I am going to start calling you, “kid” because there is no way you can know that e-sports is only more than like 12 years old.

From someone using the phrase “more than like 12 years old”, that is pretty funny, but if you think it makes for a compelling ligical argument to call me kid, rather than making you look silly, feel free.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

And you say the most popular e sport event was LoL. That tells me kid you don’t even know that people get net salaries for these games yada yada.

People get salaries for all sorts of things, they are not all popular, compared to other forms of entertainment or even compared to the number of people who play video games, neither are “esports”.

I believe LoL is currently the most popular, if there is another more popular event then give the figures for it .

Hey kid totally glad you missed you the point but it’s okay kid. I will just re-explain it. E-sports needs to grow, and Anet is doing a good thing here by developing the game as one from release.

E-sports is still fresh after (since you want me to exact and accurate) 15 years. And after about 30 maybe even 20 years will have more revenue.

Again you probably won’t understand. Poor kid

EDIT: I am going to bed this was fun, maybe you will undetstand/stop trolling when you grow up.

Sylosi.6503:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Have you heard of opinionated facts?

The fact that only 13,800 resutls appear on google and the first entry is for urbandictionary suggests not having heard of it, is not a great loss, upon reading the urbandictionary entry, it appears I am correct.

EoNxBoNx.9213:

People have the right to do what the want when they want. Or even some people just can’t watch all the time . I know I personally choose to watch Dota 2 over LoL, because it’s my opinion that Dota 2 is a better game, not a fact.

When you have people with their darned schedules and real-life things (oh how real-life can get in the way) it skews numbers on monthly and daily things like that.

I don’t see the relevance, that applies to whatever people wish to do in their freetime, watching “e-sports” fares badly compared to other options, it is not popular, it is not even popular amongst people who play computer games or even amongst people playing the game itself.

Okay, I am going to start calling you, “kid” because there is no way you can know that e-sports is only more than like 12 years old. The first esports were quake live, brood war, and CS 1.6. And you say the most popular e sport event was LoL. That tells me kid you don’t even know that people get net salaries for these games yada yada. Maybe in about 30 years when it gets time to GROW and games like Guild Wars 2 get time to develop will help esports.

But, I am sure you don’t understand that do you? Poor kid.

Sylosi.6503:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Sylosi.6503:

“e-sports” are a joke, the global audience for the most popular e-sports finals are less the equivalent of two episodes of what a daytime quiz programme used to get in the UK, if you take out China & South Korea out of the viewing figures it is even more feeble.

LoL apparently peaks at 3 million users a day, and 32 million each month, so even the majority of their own players are not interested in watching it, and that is LoL which is far, far more watched than any other “e-sport”.

Watching other people play computer games is simply not that interesting.

And that is your opinion.

Well a little a bit is my opinion, but then that goes without saying, so quite why you feel the need to comment on it, is a mystery, most posts in this forum have opinion in them, you have a busy day ahead of you, informing people of the bleeding obvious.

How the viewing figures compare, how even most LoL players don’t even bother watching, how the viewing figures for other games are much lower than LoL, etc are not opinion, they are facts.

Have you heard of opinionated facts? Probably not or you would not have maybe this post in the first place.

People have the right to do what the want when they want. Or even some people just can’t watch all the time . I know I personally choose to watch Dota 2 over LoL, because it’s my opinion that Dota 2 is a better game, not a fact.

When you have people with their darned schedules and real-life things (oh how real-life can get in the way) it skews numbers on monthly and daily things like that.

Sylosi.6503:

“e-sports” are a joke, the global audience for the most popular e-sports finals are less the equivalent of two episodes of what a daytime quiz programme used to get in the UK, if you take out China & South Korea out of the viewing figures it is even more feeble.

LoL apparently peaks at 3 million users a day, and 32 million each month, so even the majority of their own players are not interested in watching it, and that is LoL which is far, far more watched than any other “e-sport”.

Watching other people play computer games is simply not that interesting.

And that is your opinion.

More supports builds would shine, and the super bursty builds might fade away. Depends, if you run like triple dps and are all burst. But still depends if that same team plays against a team with, (what we call now) bunkers they won’t do as well.

Maybe there should just be more viable builds for all the classes instead of “you have one job” (literally).

For example, make support thieves viable.

Shadow refuge healing allies and combo fielding blindness with a blast finisher.

Shadow Shot/Shadow Stab. What was the role of this ability what was it’s real purpose, seriously.

Sword abilities; Infiltrator’s Strike, and Flanking Strike. Flanking Strike can do decent damage when you are built as a glass cannon but not otherwise. down side is the ability is easily dodged even though it is a dodge within itself. Infiltrator’s Strike is a good ability when coupled with Pistol Whip or used to kite someone with Dancing Dagger. However it can sometimes bug out and the immobilize won’t go off.

Other classes, have tons of builds that work great in hot-join because there are players that are new to the game. I don’t know them all but I can name some (these are obviously not tPvP viable)

Power necro build. Using http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Undeath for life force generation to stay alive as much as you can in death shroud. Use Lich Form in team fights and do as much damage spamming 1.

Thief Support build/Dodge Thief. This is my personal build that I like. Simple and to the point, you need endurance regen, toughness and vitality (sort of). I used http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Agility it removes 1 condition from me and nearby allies.These are the traits. http://en.gw2codex.com/build/generator/ . You can easily mess around with deadly arts and critical strikes I have several times.

Ele Glass Cannon Burst. I know this build was first viable but now everyone is running with ele bunkers. Since this was a build that was earlier I don’t remember it too well but it’ts role is simple, you are a roamer and if you can try and get the bunker of his point. As an ele its easier than a thief because you have KBs (it’s easier to get him OFF the point not to kill).

That’s pretty much all I know, I do know there are more out there like Hiba’s Glass cannon engi build but I don’t even know if people use it in tPvP, or the traits or anything.

I just want more versatility within the classes and diversity, if that’s too much to ask for, that at least have 3 different viable builds for tPvP. I rarely see condi thieves anymore. : /

Dee Jay.2460:

Heartseeker is the only thing I’d consider “cheap” in this context and that’s because it quite literally is cheap.

3 Initiative for a 450 range leap, auto-targeting, leap-finisher and over 5000 + damage.

The fact that you can spam it makes it seem even cheaper.

Stealth is fine in principle, although culling is not.

Only does that much damage when you are at 25% or below and when you are it should kill you.

But heartseeker probably should not auto-target, or have the leap.

Should probably fix the things that are holding back this game from being an e-sport first.

I like it, seems legit.

Something I forgot to mention. I don’t know if this would hurt, (mainly because I can’t do Paids) or not but maybe allow paids to be pugged, but you still have to pay for them of course. This would help the paid tournament queues slightly but diminish the gear they give.

My question is what do some of the players that actually DO paids feel about a change like this?

P.S This would of course be on top of the change SAtaarcoeny made.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@eonxbonx im sure that if enough ppl want it for frees it could work. it would actually help frees also. but with ppl afking and leaving more so in frees i would see a lot of dicouragement and maybe need a way to report it. (dont q if you cant play, but IRL stuff happens)

Agreed. If they can find a way to solve the afk players in frees then maybe. But first it should probably be implemented in paids to get people playing them.

I think they should be allowed for the players that earned them. Or make a way for PvPers to earn them through PvP. Otherwise, the whole “Legendary” feel of it is meaningless and its just a shiny weapon.

So I am assuming this would be more like a losers bracket with the paids? Why not with frees to. Overall I think that sounds like a grand idea

Archonis.7249:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Okay well the fact that it’s spammable maybe they should fix that? How about limiting it to 2-3 stacks. You get 3 chances to use Heartseeker. After you use them, it goes on a ten second CD. Of course it is essentially spammable, but not as much as it was before.

If you bring someone to the next percent amount of health and you have no more heartseeker stacks, you have to wait on your ten second cd, but it will make the thief choose when he wants to use heartseeker.

The cooldown could be too long, so maybe 8 seconds. With a change as drastic as this they would have to increase back the damage on HS, to make sure its a kill and this would make heartseeker an execute that kills for sure.

EDIT: Forgot to mention there could be an ICD of 8-10 seconds also if one or two is used and it will refresh 1 heartseeker stack not all at once.

Yo dawg. I just put a resource mechanic in your resource mechanic, so you can use two resource mechanics.

Don’t see anyone else giving a valid suggestion other than just “dodge roll”. Which is fine and dandy until the next major patch and thieves get either nerfed or some minor buff that doesn’t do jack worth of kitten.

And some random person figures out how to kill other players within half of a sec instead of 1. Because that extra half of a second is just so much more efficient.

Okay well the fact that it’s spammable maybe they should fix that? How about limiting it to 2-3 stacks. You get 3 chances to use Heartseeker. After you use them, it goes on a ten second CD. Of course it is essentially spammable, but not as much as it was before.

If you bring someone to the next percent amount of health and you have no more heartseeker stacks, you have to wait on your ten second cd, but it will make the thief choose when he wants to use heartseeker.

The cooldown could be too long, so maybe 8 seconds. With a change as drastic as this they would have to increase back the damage on HS, to make sure its a kill and this would make heartseeker an execute that kills for sure.

EDIT: Forgot to mention there could be an ICD of 8-10 seconds also if one or two is used and it will refresh 1 heartseeker stack not all at once.

imo just join them.

Solori.6025:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Well the thing about stealth is definitely not true. If a thief drops Shadow Refuge, after 3 seconds he can just run away from that location and still be invisible. And same the goes with their healing skill that stealths them. It removes burning, bleeding, and poison I believe, and stealths them for 3 seconds, and puts on regeneration.

In 3 Seconds for Shadow Refuge you have the option to AoE, CC, or Condition layer the area.
I cant count how many times I have been able to kill thieves from AoE chilling and Crippling a Shadow Refuge, KB’ing them out of it, or Knocking them down for someone else to AoE the area.

The only thing that will kill me in a Shadow Refuge is if I actually get knocked out of it.

Well the thing about stealth is definitely not true. If a thief drops Shadow Refuge, after 3 seconds he can just run away from that location and still be invisible. And same the goes with their healing skill that stealths them. It removes burning, bleeding, and poison I believe, and stealths them for 3 seconds, and puts on regeneration.

Oh boy here is a new and exciting thread.

Here I am thinking that this would be a constructive thread, and it really is just some pathetic call out at Sharp.

There’s other companies that handle hack programs this way, not every company just outright disallows them in their game. I am sure if there is a HUGE uproar on these, “macros” then they look into more and just unable to get into that at all.

However on a brighter side, I kind of wish legitimate macros did exist in the GW. I like the idea of, “One keystroke = One action” but sometimes macros can weed out the smarter players and awards them so for figuring how to make them properly.

FLFW.3105:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

I really wish people would stop trying to turn this game into World of Warcraft.

The game is ruined badly enough already by trying to make it WoW2 .. GW must be GW and stop trying to contest with WoW ar any other popular MMO name.. Thats what was great about GW , it was different.

I am not comparing the two games. All what I said was, “I really wish people would stop trying to turn this game into World of Warcraft.” And that means the people screaming for 3v3 arena death matches, and CTF mode. Now I am also not saying Blizzard invented those game modes, but they made them popular. Made 3v3 arenas an eSport.

Like you said GW needs to be its own game, and it does not need arenas to be a good game.

Okay well you said you were physically unable to avoid the damage? Does that mean he also had basilisk venom and you have no stun break? Or he has Devour Venom? Please help me understand, be cause if the thief in question doesn’t have either of these venoms then HS spam is completely avoidable with two dodge rolls.

I really wish people would stop trying to turn this game into World of Warcraft.

“Put your hands up, Goku needs us!!”

I am going to be honest here. I was having the same issue about month and a half ago, and I just decided to level my characters to 80 and wait for more balance patches. I know I like this game, and it has potential so playing the PvE is not a bad idea to just wait it out. Especially when the leveling is so kitten fast and easy.

felivear.1536:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

1. I would like to see some kind of LFG system for Free tournaments, but for paids, honestly its best if they are organized, (if you want to win).

2. US and EU already can get into the same games sPvP and tPvP.

3. Number 3 yes desperately, there is another thread that was going about these similar issues.

4. I have no idea what you mean on this one. If you mean to make premades fight premades then yeah.

5. See #1

6. Seriously? They didn’t even mean to implement the team color change at that moment. They are not being lazy, they want to make sure everything is ready don’t how many times you want to hear that. Or just ignore it and call them lazy, or say something like they aren’t being transparent.

EDIT: Typo

#2. NA and EU are 2 different regions that are not in the same pool.

No I am being serious, they have said you can queue in to EU teams when doing tPvP and sPvP.

1. I would like to see some kind of LFG system for Free tournaments, but for paids, honestly its best if they are organized, (if you want to win).

2. US and EU already can get into the same games sPvP and tPvP.

3. Number 3 yes desperately, there is another thread that was going about these similar issues.

4. I have no idea what you mean on this one. If you mean to make premades fight premades then yeah.

5. See #1

6. Seriously? They didn’t even mean to implement the team color change at that moment. They are not being lazy, they want to make sure everything is ready don’t how many times you want to hear that. Or just ignore it and call them lazy, or say something like they aren’t being transparent.

EDIT: Typo

josephsora.4579:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

If they don’t lower the amount of increase the tournament amount(again) they should give us more sources to get more glory other than glory boosters, or even buff glory boosters themselves.

As I tested long time ago, glory booster will not affect rank point, which is the actual exp used to increase the rank.

So then allow the Glory boosters to effect Rank points? And it still won’t seem to matter 50% just isn’t enough, imo.

What I don’t understand is why the glory per 10ranks is so much. Yeah sure the gear is great, but it’s not like the glory we are getting is gradually getting higher either. I am only rank 37 but I have taken a 3 1/2 week break from the game. I mean they could double or even triple the amount you get from paids or free tournaments but that is only 1% of the amount of glory need to rank up from 49 – 59.

If they don’t lower the amount of increase the tournament amount(again) they should give us more sources to get more glory other than glory boosters, or even buff glory boosters themselves.

nerva.7940:

hello, this is a second episode of our new series “How Is This Not Broken” where we talk about broken thief mechanics and invite fellow thieves to explain themselves! so let’s begin.

why is it ok for a thief to have an untraited 4s fear, a fear better than the necro’s, with the click of one button?

stolen fear makes bunker necros cry

Same guy that was complaining about caltrops and that being broken. You are seriously not helping at all. Apparently all you want to do is complain about thieves so maybe you should talk about this with a wall because know one wants to hear it.

nerva.7940:

right now thieves can cover the entire point in caltrops by facerolling, i mean dodge rolling, meaning that everyone trying to take the point is getting 20 stacks of bleeds at all times. is there any hope this sort of rubbish will get fixed soon?

Dude you act like you get 20 stacks of bleeds in 3 seconds or something. For him to get the bleeds stacked that quickly you have to be moving on the caltrops and the thief needs to be spamming Death Blossom. And at that point they will probably be at 25 stacks.

The way you put it in your original post, is you were playing hot-join. In most tPvP each team has a bunker and most bunkers can deal with conditions easily.

Lukin.4061:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Jesus kittening christ 1vs1 is not a priority it will come it everything else is done. What will 1vs1 do for Guild Wars 2 as an eSport, seriously.

What does any crappy pve focused update, (heloween, shores and now some kind of christmas) has to do with esport? Nothing at all. It seems that pvp is not a priority at all for the development of a game – they barely started fixing bugs in trait lines. What will 1×1 do to gw2 as an esport? Well it sure as hell will not harm it in any way, just will add something to do while you wait for horribly long time in paid tpvp que, and may draw more people to enter the mists atleast.

Watch thiss, from the beginning.=)

Jesus kittening christ 1vs1 is not a priority it will come it everything else is done. What will 1vs1 do for Guild Wars 2 as an eSport, seriously.

Panther Chameleon.8465:

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Something else I wanted to add, they are balancing the game towards 5vs5 conquest play, not 1vs1 deathmatch.

I think OP and myself have both stated we don’t give a flying flamingo about balance when it comes to 1v1. Stop acting like we are going to destroy the tpvp meta because two people would have the option to fight each other without interference. I don’t give a flamingo if it’s the last thing on their list, but it would be a kitten good idea to add a few basic option for casual spvp goers. Get people from pve who want to duel and let them both join a server and have fun. Isn’t that what’s about? Flamingo, I don’t want to hear anything about 1v1 balance. They haven’t balanced tpvp perfectly, and JS did say they will be slowly tweaking the game based off what the pros want because apparently they are the only ones that know anything about the meta for one single game mode.

Apparently you didn’t watch that State of the game Video either. He clearly said that custom arenas can be used for scrimming or dueling etc. They have actually been saying that for awhile, and still you are complaining.

And I typed that because he acts like 1vs1 is being ignored. Dueling is 1vs1 take it or leave it. Get a custom arena or don’t 1vs1.

Wojohowitz.2581:

I just listened to that you tube video of the pvp game designer for GW2. Sounds like 1 vs 1 arena might be put on the backburner. Why is everyone so afraid to implement that? I swear hardly any mmorpg does this. I don’t know about anyone else but I want the chance to 1 on 1 and get ranked, points, etc……..Why does this always get put on the backburner? Look I think PVP in GW2 is awesome but you guys should be about giving us more and more options and 1 vs 1 gives us another option!

Please make 1 vs 1 arena available!!!!!!!

All game designers at any company, they are not scared to implement 1vs1 arena. If you really did watch that video, (the whole thing) you would know that he pretty much said that it will NOT help the game become an eSport, and it won’t. Dueling is NOT a necessity. Matchmaking and rankings, that is a necessity.

Something else I wanted to add, they are balancing the game towards 5vs5 conquest play, not 1vs1 deathmatch.

I think by spectator mode they meant if the game reached eSport level spectators could easily spectate without having to jump all over the place looking for the action, where stuff is happening. Who is taking which base. Not just hop in someones game and watch it, although that would be cool, you could just keep games locked or password protected like in Dota 2 if you want to spectate.

Some people must have skimmed over Peli saying he is interested not saying anything like, let’s make a deal. So I believe Anet should start to prioritize PvP like he said. And get a spectator mode, and private servers so players can practice properly.

Also a ladder would be the best way to figure out who really is the better players are and find out who needs to go to tournaments, not just who has a higher Glory Rank, or who has more QPs.

So pretty much Peli thinks GW2 has a chance, and he wants Anet to come out with their new features that will support their esports side of things.

Thanks for the info, I will be intending!

Agreed I would do Free Tournies more if this was not a problem.

Oozo.7856:

The footage here is from WvW, but it seems appropriate that it be put in this forum since balance is discussed here moreso than in the WvW forum. Also, it’s been shown that they sometimes balance things based off of WvW feedback but then apply those changes to sPvP but not to WvW. So, yeah…

There are far too many complaints against pure glass cannon builds. When you construct a build, you should put in place some kind of anti-burst mechanic. If you don’t then you should not complain if you get bursted down.

The strongest builds are not the ones that sell out everything else just for the sake of damage.

Wow dude who would have thought that when dodge all of a glass cannon’s damage they can’t do damage.

On another note, power necro is a form of a glass cannon. A necro that knows how to use deathshroud, makes the build do wonders.

mouse.1689:

Wolfheart.1938:

Because not everyone who plays PvP completely disregards any other content. Very sorry that you do, but you’ll have to live with that announcement for a few days.

Why on earth does this seem like an acceptable answer to you, when it should be ridiculously easy for ANet to allow you to close the message and/or automatically disable it in the Mists? It’s not rocket surgery.

Because his answer is the truth. I love to pvp, but it grows tiring after awhile. Same build same theorycrafting, and going nowhere. Thought I would level to 80, and I did. And GW2 leveling is stupid easy and stupid fast.

Tanknastole.3617:

Dear Anet and Thief players,
i recetly joined Free tournament and encountered a thief in first game that completly ruined mine whole game experience. Why? Sorry but when someone can kill me with 3 hits that is not even bad thats is simply frustrating.

Heres just one picture before i left spvp, think it explains all.
http://i.imgur.com/3034g.jpg

I and all my friends dont play spvp just becouse this, i hope someday it will be fixed.

Honestly players

They are ruining it again, that is the same build. Steal, C&D, Backstab, and then a Heartseeker. Only thing I can say about a 8k heartseeker is don’t be so squishy.

What I would like to see is some buffs to other abilities you see people rarely using to get people using them, and for build diversity. Currently you have everyone of the same class either run the same build or two different builds. And this goes strongly for thieves. Condition/Death Blossom spam is good, and Mug/C&D gimmick build is still good. Any other thief build is up in the air, and any other ability and it’s not just that way for thieves.

Naito.5693:

“Some of these games” didn’t promise huge e-sport support right from start.
This game did.
If you compare how good Guild Wars 1 tournaments were (and it was in 2006-2009 when the only e-sport discipline was starcraft and counter strike) to guild wars 2 you’d be disgusted by the quality of gw2 pvp.

I should slap you. 2006 – 2009 only esports discipline were Brood War and 1.6? Seriously? Have you not heard of Halo, or Quake? Ever heard of Street Fighter? And Blizzard did promise its players esport. Obviously the game was already one, but still. League of Legends, same deal. Dota 2, Valve is making the game an esport. How stupid are the people in this thread?

Naito.5693:

Because we’ve been practicing for Guild Wars 2 MLG for 3 months now.

Dude, 3 months is nothing it took years for some of these other games to develop as an eSport, be patient. And if you don’t want to be patient, you can always stop playing and find another game.

Can’t please everyone : /

Yeah I got it earlier, I just alt-f4’d and preceded logged back in and moved on…

Herak.8351:

now you will only deal 10k damage to whoever is trying to res :’(

It actually does less than that. But I feel as if they nerfed more than dancing dagger and C&D and its just not in the notes. HS is only critting for 5.2k on 25% targets. Backstab not doing its regular 6k-7k damage with assassins signet. I smell something.

I mean if everyone was honestly running high toughness builds in the past games I was just playing, otherwise something feels weird after this patch.

I heard D/P and P/D are pretty good… -_____________-

I have one question…

Cluster Shot: This skill’s damage is reduced by 15% in PvP. = Cluster Bomb or an ability I just haven’t used yet?? Like with pistol or something… >.>