Guild Wars 2

question is what counters a thief hard in WvW 1vs1?
for a mesmer, they have been crying that thieves counter them hard.

What about thieves?

is a thief?

Against every other class, you can reset easily and try again?

Don’t you guys find the game and forum so normal and dead without trolling?

Trolling brings a good laugh to…the troll…

Bazzoong.7145:

Leaps are affected by slow and cripple (distance halfed), no melee skill that is not teleported at you will hit you ever. 10s cd becomes potentially 20s with slow, while your cds will be halved. Mesmers will be insanely powerful in HoT. Sword/shield and scepter/focus and you will kite like a boss.

what you are describing is chill.
So i suppose you agree that a Reaper is going to chill a mesmer into submission.

and that has not changed with Reaper

Gryph.8237:

against a bad thief, we will be fine, even vs a good one. But a patient thief will simply kill you. He will wait for you to burn your skills (however long it takes) then get your ds lower (knowing you can’t really refresh it in a 1 v 1 vs mobility, then just out last you with mobility. Once, you have blown your skills, blown your dodges, and have to rely on slow kitten attacks, you’re dead. Just like it is now.

nothing will change, other than thieves, in the new 3 trait line meta, will eat us even faster.

What does a necro get from adding 3 trait lines – uh, not really anything special. because no freaking GM in the third line will give us what we did not have now, whereas other classes will gain that skill they always wanted coupled with the build they have always ran because its already good. So they will go from already good to awesome, while we go from ok, to ok + a skill that does not really give us anything. hhahahah.

YEAH it’s good to be a necro. haha

I totally agree with you.
A patient thief wins.
And that knowledge makes me sad.

There is no equal chance of winning for a necro.
a thief wins as long as he plays patiently.

thanks =D

I just find that it has a chance to deal with all enemy builds but it loses some of the advantages that a pure power or condi build will have against certain builds

Rym.1469:

Holl.3109:

I fought rylock (who is in top 5 mes in da world) and lost horribly… (both when he was on shatter AND lockdown) )

Rylock is indeed a good mesmer, but perfectly manageable. We have roughly a tie, after first couple loses I was on winning streak.

Lockdown is pretty hard matchup, but at least for me, far easier than Medi Guard. Once you figure his rotation and interrupt him once, he loses all momentum. Unlike Gaurd.

I find guardians easier to deal with compared to PU mesmers.

PU mesmers go in and out of invis easily and they have a lot of aegis.

The burst type PU mesmers are the most dangerous.

against a guardian just try to save your shroud 4 for his focus shield and it breaks the shield easily.

Korusef.3714:

GS necro will be better off, that range closer on GS has a very short cooldown.

there isn’t a range closer on GS if i remember right

I think we should be allowed to troll in game and forum.
It makes things so much more interesting.

By trolling I mean non-malicious trolling.

For example, hmm…anyone knows any non-malicious trolling?

I think PvP wise, with the current maps of holding points, Necro will be very strong.
But with the new PvP map, not sure how the reaper will be like.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

Seems it will be Holl and I in combat a week after HoT hits. That’s perfect, we’re nearly identical in skill.

Get ready to go back to your grave Hol!

So what are the rules?

Which map?
Best of 5?
How much lifeforce can Holl start with?
Allowed to change builds between fights?

perplex necro too strong

Muchacho.2390:

Rym.1469:

Reaper with GS is AoE spec. It isn’t made for 1v1s, that’s clear.

As for other Reaper variations, we’ll have to wait a see for ourselves.

Guardian GS, d/d ele etc. are mainly aoe too and yet they can 1v1 just fine. I am pretty confident that for Reapers it will be the same. Though i think staff will be mandatory as a second weapon set to deal with enemies, who like to kite.

the thing is guardian got teleports/leap instant gap closers and their alternate, a scepter is way stronger than a staff. a staff is more utility.

we do not have fast gap closers. we got a slow plodding 600 range dash that requires reaper shroud to use meaning we have to stay in it and end up draining it.

Anchoku.8142:

I so wish Dark Path was faster and more reliable. That would fix everything.

me too. i mean losing a range fear and a 900 range gap closer is massive against a kiter.

fortunately we got a 600 range gap closer on 4 seconds CD…but that would mean staying in RS and potentially losing it just to get closer. you can’t flash in and out of RS.

In fact I think anet wants us to STAY in RS to fight rather than flash in and out.

but honestly, I rather have the range fear than stability/short range ‘melee’ fear

Range fear chance for interrupt is so much better than the new short range fear

TBH necro has always been susceptible to kiting

especially from LB rangers and long range engineers.
I see that worsening if a necro goes RS which is basically melee with a short hop.
Even worse if one of his weapon is a GS.

I know I’ve been shouting around the forums challenging the mesmers to kite us if they can but honestly, I think they can lol.

EroticAndHeretic.7398:

My human is technically a young norn (some children have this face).

another winner

Sunflowers.1729:

Here you go, this is my human elementalist. I kind of want feedback and this seems like a good place to find it.

Edit: clearer picture

another winner

Muchacho.2390:

Darwec.3784:

Seriously, the only good elites are lich and plague. The golem is sometimes useful for being a meat shield. The shout seems awful in PVE and will never see its full potential in sPVP.

Thats only half true. IF the AI would work properly fleshgolem would be amazing. IF the AI would work properly, we would get good dps and CC out of the elite on a rather low cooldown. Actually IF the AI would work properly, i would rate it over Lich and plague (while Lich and plague being more situational skills). The meat shield would only be a nice bonus…

But the big IF is the reason why we hardly see our fleshy…

I agree. cripple on autos, on demand interrupt, 1k dmg autos…
if only the golem AI worked normally like a ranger pet…
I mean why can’t they just transfer the ranger pet AI to a golem?

If you check out all the other profession forums, I asked if they feared the Reaper.
The most common reply is no, they are going to turn us into bags.

Honestly, for all the oomph of the reaper, I’m afraid that that is exactly what is going to happen.

The reapers have already issued a battle cry to the mesmers.
Reapers Vs Chronomancers.

Wait till your warrior spec is out before you come challenge us ya?

Vrita.7846:

My necro, with a little twist to my reply with my happy Asura.

I think we have a contender

if you are talking about physical superiority, charr wins hands down.

but charrs are dumb.

if you look at the foodchain in this world, human is at the top because they have the highest IQ.

its the same here.

Human has more mental capacity than all other races.

LughLongArm.5460:

Hi, @sacrifice
I will suggest some changes:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQJATRjEq0yaHL+rQ1aAJhqdFEArKrq1d2+B/cBraA-TpBFwACuAAMOEA12fYxRAoaZAAPAAA

hmm…your build does look better at surviving than mine…

Tragic Positive.9356:

Yep, that exactly is the build that is suited for PvP.

The standard GlassBow is, with all honesty, not.
Maybe in solo queue, but definitely not an organized match.

=o so I got the build right for PvP the very first time?

Awesome.

All I did with ranger previously was full berserker and damage traits in WvW, followed the zerg and sniped other zergs.

played PvP, scared of dying, tried to trait and equip survival abilities and I got it right!

its like this because druids are going to be very strong in condi manipulation

flow.6043:

Holl.3109:

I fought rylock (who is in top 5 mes in da world) and lost horribly… (both when he was on shatter AND lockdown)

I’m surprised to hear that actually. Perhaps I should arrange a duel of my own here. My build simply doesn’t get countered by mesmers, and I rarely find players who present a serious challenge.

you should go see my post in the mesmer thread.

mesmers are saying they counter necros.

go figure.

I had my ranger for a while now but used him mainly for sniping targets in WvW zerg fights.

I played two games of PvP in him, lost both, but felt that he was dishing out good damage with good survivability.

Rangers are not weak at all? even when I was targetted it took a while before they got me down.

I run LB + GS.
Traits is 20660
With rune of the grove

here is the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQJATRjEq0yaDLesQ1ag8gaVA0OIOifw9CHFxdBraA-TpBFwACuAAMOEAs2fYxRAoaZAAPAAA

Try it. it has good damage and good survivability.

Deedrick.4372:

I have yet to see any one qualified to fill the op’s request….

the ones i posted qualify. like you I have not seen any others who come close.

well like I said, don’t let me see you guys cry for necro nerfs when we meet in HoT

http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgQF7AKsBug~

Jekkt.6045:

keep chill burn and poison on the mesmer and he will just die. if you can get to them you’ll win.

if you can get to them lol…mesmers run so many invis and aegis they are a nightmare to fight against honestly

unfortunately i am an asura necro.
but i can see grenth being a huge elite for pvp.
less so for wvw roaming become you just get kited to death against non-melee classes.

Andlat Helsonr.1284:

In a 1 v 1 skirmish which finishes when one of the two is dead – a competent thief should win 9/10 times. In conquest, since you need to survive as long as help comes, reapers might be able to run around for long enough to live through a thief’s attacks. It will be a really powerful opponent, though, as will power rangers. Being shot at from 1500 range without good ranged options yourself is bout to be unpleasant.

That is what I thought too. as a necro roamer, I find LB rangers and any type of thieves (except for pure condi thieves) hard to fight against.
Not that it is impossible to win, except with my current skill level, I win mayb 1 out of 3 encounters against decent thief/LB ranger.

which, not taking into account of their changes in HOT, is already going to get harder if DS becomes RS which is more melee and easier to kite. Losing that ranged fear is going to be a real pain.

but the chill doesnt do damage

true that
this forum is flooded with noobs who think necros are weak
sometimes i can’t stand them and try to troll them into submission

uh…i think we get the point.
We never thought necro was weak. or at least I never did.
the ones who did are usually the noobs who don’t know how to bend with the wind.

tetrodoxin.2134:

Activate Shift => Blink 1200 range towards Necro => Problem solved? :0

And then you lose your stun break, get caught by a fear and…

Just wondering…if this was a 1v1 fight, will CttB be better or Golem?

Golem charge knockdown is faster and longer range and less expected.

CttB requires you to disable your opponent first with a fear maybe to have a higher chance of pulling off, but it adds chill and damage and 2sec resist when it hits.

Which will you choose?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Prepare-to-get-Reaped/first#post5071457

I’ve issued your declaration of war to the mesmers Holl!

Holl from the necro forums declares war on Chaos Archangel!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Interrupt-Mesmers-Ultimatum/first#post5071414

Chaos you got a worthy challenger!

I don’t know about you guys, but one of the hardest fight is against a thief.

How will a Reaper fare against a thief?
Will the original Death Shroud be better than a Reaper Shroud?

DS has range instant fear range auto + aoe skill4 and taint shackles.

All of those seems a lot better against a thief than Reaper Shroud.

if we do go Reaper Shroud, what sort of weapons set will help?

I’m looking more at WvW solo roaming 1v1 against a thief

skill 1…no
skill 2…no
skill 3…no
skill 4…no
skill 5…maybe?

I’m okay with either…because i plan to go hybrid =D

but most likely it will scale with condi.

focus might be a good alternative to dagger, but i’m not too sure axe will fit well in a hybrid build.

Range loses out to a scepter. and scepter stacks bleed and poison easy.
Although axe will dish out faster damage if you get in range, and regenerate more life force…

but i think the range of a scepter still gets the nod…

nightmare runes anyone?

Post your prettiest pictures!
human female only please.

this is not a tease!!!
I…I…am…serious… D=

while walking in WvW…
Suddenly a shout! “INCOMING!!!!!!!!”
who!!?? where?!!? how many!??

HYBRID REAPER INCOMING

http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgQF7AKsBug~

Armor: Full carrion
Trinkets: Mixture of rabid/rampager/berserker/dire
Weapons: Scepter/dagger + staff (berserker)

Traits:
Curses
Reaper
Soul Reaping

Curses

Barbed Precision Minor Critical hits have a 66% chance to cause bleeding. Increases bleed duration by 20%.
Furious Demise Minor Gain fury when entering death shroud.
Target the Weak Minor Increases 2% critical hit chance for each condition on your foe.

Weakened Shroud Adept II Cast Enfeebling Blood when entering death shroud.
Path of Corruption Master V Dark Path now additionally convert boons into conditions.
Terror GM IX Fear deals damage; it deals additional damage if the target is afflicted with another condition.

Reaper

Reaper’s Shroud Minor Assume the form of a reaper and gain new skills
Shivers of Dread Minor Whenever you inflict fear, you also chill
Cold Shoulder Minor Chill lasts longer and chilled foes deal less damage to you

Relentless Pursuit Adept Reduces the duration of movement impairing conditions. Additional reduction while in Reaper’s Shroud
Chilling Force Master Striking a chilled foe grants might and life force
Deathly Chill Grandmaster Chill deals damage with additional damage to foes below the health threshold

Soul Reaping

Gluttony Minor Increase life force gain from skills by 10%.
Last Gasp Minor Gain Spectral Armor when your health falls below the threshold (50%).
Strength of Undeath Minor You do more damage while above the life-force threshold (50%). Max Life-force increased by 15%.

Speed of Shadows Adept III Increase 25% movement speed while in death shroud. Reduces 30% recharge on death shroud.
Vital Persistence Master V Life force drains 50% slower while in death shroud. Death shroud skills recharge 15% faster.
Dhuumfire GM IX Life Blast will inflict burning on your target.

I chose reaper mode because of the insane chill options.

However

The main drawback is that Reaper mode becomes melee. To compensate for that, Soul Reaping becomes very important. You get increased MS by 25% to get on your foe, you get faster reaper skill recharge to ‘spam’ your 600 range gap closer, and relentless pursuit in reaper trait will ensure that you don’t get stopped for long when you are in melee reaper mode.

It synergizes well with your other traits too. Every 4 second 600 range gap closer also means with path of corruption chosen, converting of 2 boons to conditions every 4 seconds.
Fearing on staff and chill on staff and Reaper’s aoe ‘melee’ range chill also gives you a pretty good chilling options.

The increase attack speed in Reaper mode also means that dhummfire procs faster and more regularly for some painful condi burns with your carrion armor.

I am totally ready.