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It is very tough but not impossible.

fight them like you fight thieves.
They now have the initiative to burst from stealth, even scarier than thieves because we can’t predict at all when the burst is coming since they can remain stealth for a long time.

We can however,
1) if you use staff, lay marks on yourself and give yourself some window of hope to react.
2) Use SR traited stunbreak and stability on DS entry against those currently very popular stun-lock mesmer burst builds.
3) don’t stand around passively if the mesmer enters invis. actively start to destroy his clones and try to build some lifeforce while you do it since the clones no longer do anything to you on death
4) if he blinks away from you to kite you in combat, run in the opposite direction instead of chasing through all his clones and eating all the damage. So nobody dies.
5) don’t waste random dodges now if he goes invis since you can’t predict when his burst is coming at all.

The mesmer forum has a thank you thread too and I think we should have one too.

Thank you Anet for making necros such a blast to play with.
I no longer feel pigeon holed into a certain build for a certain play mode.

And I never thought I would live to see this day, but there are now actually threads calling to nerf necros!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Necros-have-made-PvP-un-fun

Now that they can no longer KO us in 3 seconds by focusing on us, they are calling to nerf us hahaha.

Thank you for having made this possible!

so did all your predictions come through? who is king of the hill now?

Using up an entire trait just to get this 100% increase in invis duration is reasonable I feel.

It essentially gives mesmers a defensive and offensive utility tool to use.

Thieves have always been the bane of mesmers precisely because they can stealth longer and they thus have the initiative to burst a mesmer from stealth.
In the end a mesmer can only play defensively against a thieve.

However, now with the increase in invis uptime, a mesmer can remain in stealth for longer than any other classes including thieves and thus the initiative to attack is now with the mesmer.

Which I think is reasonable since you are using an entire traitline just to get this initiative.

The only OP thing might be that a mesmer can chain invis and remain in stealth way longer than a thief might be able to and thus it is much harder for other classes to predict when to dodge in anticipation of a mesmer burst from stealth.

Against a thief, generally you see them go invis and chances are within 3-4 seconds you should dodge. against a mesmer now, they could camp in stealth indefnitely and freely choose when to burst you while in stealth and there is very little counterplay for other classes unless its an engineer with lock on.

That said, to gain this initiative to choose when to burst from a very long duration of stealth by spending an entire traitline is reasonable IMO, even if an opponent will find it almost impossible to guess when the burst is going to come unlike facing thieves in general.

Zackie.8923:

well i guess you were right OP

haha…
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HAhahahha….
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
MUAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

feels good to be right

wipes away tears

I’m just glad all the posts in the necro threads are positive now T_T
well…almost >.>

I m so glad i was right. We have so many viable and FUN builds right now.
we could specialize in one mastery, choose various playstyles like bunker healer killer and so much more. We can mic and match for tank healers attrition warfare! E
Even minon build works!

This is prob the best patch ever in the past year. I got so mamy differmt armor and weapon sets just for this.
Rabid dire carrion zerker magi soldiers…now i can finally feel they are all useful.

cries

Shiki.7148:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Watching the stream duels, and the signet build, all I can say is we are going to thrash every other condi class.
Our number of condi transfers is really insane.
None of the other classes’ condi builds are going to survive us.

boon stacking classes also need to prepare to cry with the number of boon to condi conversions our signets throw out.

WE ARE THE STRONGEST!!!!

Aaand there goes the hardcore troll again.

in what way is my post trollish? I meant everything I said. Going the signet line, we are going to suppress every other class’ condi build. We are going to suppress boon stacking builds.

I don’t troll my own class necros.

And in fact I don’t even troll other classes. I call for nerfs on skills/classes I feel are too strong, I pit class vs class to see what others feel about those class matchups. I don’t think that’s trolling.

Some ppl take those posts negatively and I understand I may have written some very crudely, but really I don’t think it warrants all these ‘hate’ posts in almost all my threads.

and I have never insulted someone unlike some other poster out there.

Again I am sorry if my posts had offended anyone but I never meant that.

I honestly meant my posts to encourage more thinking and discussion though some were very crudely written and I admit sometimes I put ‘catchy’ titles to engage more readers.

But I never meant any offense and I am sorry if I caused any.

Watching the stream duels, and the signet build, all I can say is we are going to thrash every other condi class.
Our number of condi transfers is really insane.
None of the other classes’ condi builds are going to survive us.

boon stacking classes also need to prepare to cry with the number of boon to condi conversions our signets throw out.

WE ARE THE STRONGEST!!!!

well fought and well edited!

all i can say is awesome vid!

I agree that necros are going to be the dark horses of the new patch.
with so much changes hitting them, they look like they can be an unkillable support bunker.

Jana.6831:

I agree the ranger knew what he did and the necro as well – seems to have learned :P

<3

StickerHappy.8052:

Lachanche.6859:

StickerHappy.8052:

EremiteAngel.9765:

StickerHappy.8052:

What the … is wrong with the OP?

You are clearly flamebaiting. I see a lot of your threads like this. pathetic.

I’m sorry if i offended u in some way. But this thread is an honest thread i made to see the views of the comunity on who will be king of the hill come patch day.
If u really want to see what flame baiting is, go look at the player made wvw forums. Tat is real flame baiting

Really? Your thread in the mesmer forum just got deleted. lol. King of the hill? Do we have a gamemode like that?

We have dueling rooms called king of the hill where players are supposed to fight using tpvp roaming builds.

There are rules enforced by the room admins to avoid tanky classes but sometimes you still see builds tailored exclusively for dueling, it’s kinda against the point of playing a realistic duel but w/e, at least it’s helpful to learn more about mechanics and stuff.

I Know that lol. I am saying in contrast of the title (clearly a flame bait thread), and now we put KoTH as a justification.?

For future reference, this will turn into “X class is….so nerf x class..” thread and so on.

Wow. This poster has made a lot of “queries”.

Like the thread in the thief forum, “so mesmers will be > thieves context”
The other thread in the mesmer forum “Mesmer is the only class with no complaints?”

Like really????

@OP

So you are saying your thread is crudely written that’s why its closed? LOL.

it closed because some ppl took it negatively like how u are taking offense on this thread too. Apart from your posts, others are discussing very positively here.
Like i said, i am sorry if i offended u but pls dont hate on my posts pls. Ty.

Honestly though my mesmer thread was very crudely written, it still received many positive suggestions by mesmers who felt that PU was too OP. I like their honesty. I apologize though for the crudeness of that thread

StickerHappy.8052:

What the … is wrong with the OP?

You are clearly flamebaiting. I see a lot of your threads like this. pathetic.

I’m sorry if i offended u in some way. But this thread is an honest thread i made to see the views of the comunity on who will be king of the hill come patch day.
If u really want to see what flame baiting is, go look at the player made wvw forums. Tat is real flame baiting

denis.9487:

The change to scepter had another king crying over the game play in the past. Didn’t change anything. What is a good player? That statement can be made for any class. Player skill is just that. Also for a king his sentence and information was flawed. Ip is baseline de is not. Time will tell what is competitive and not hot join hero status.

IP is now baseline??
my gosh…what level is a mesmer at now?

Over 9000!!!!

the problem is why is such a weak skill as dhummfire on a grandmaster trait?

is it there just to fill a spot? it doesn’t have any other use apart from possibly a Reaper spec in future. Even then, surely a melee range Reaper deserves a stronger grandmaster trait especially with all the nerf on chill.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Theres no reason to complain tbh. Good mesmers after these changes will basically become godmode, and every single build we have got buffed except clone death (Which i am glad is gone). The only problem is we didnt get DE and IP baseline to be even more OP then we already will be :P

The king of mesmers has spoken.
And seriously if he says so, then I truly am afraid for all the other classes.

I don’t think any of you common folks should disagree any futher.

are warriors the least buffed class of all the classes? I don’t sense much optimism from this camp…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

will warriors get thrown into the lesser weights on the pvp scene? Rank your warriors here now!

are thieves and mesmers really going to be top dogs in PvP once patch hits?

or will only one class in effect stand at the top of the food chain?

Will the engineers destroy everything relating to stealth!??

Rank your thieves here in the PvP rankings!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

are the buffs to LB rangers going to push them into the heavy weights on the PvP scene?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

Share your thoughts here and rank your rangers!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

are guardians really going to be invincible? share your thoughts in the link above and rank your guardians!

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

celestial engrs are already meta in pVp. how about post-patch? share your views in the link above regarding the class PvP rankings.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

are eles really only status quo? I did a pVp ranking here. share your thoughts on where eles will stand after the patch

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

I did a PvP ranking here. we could also compare class ranking changes in PvP after the patch hits

I did a PvP ranking here. Wonder what are your thoughts as mesmers?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PvP-landscape-Upheaval-Rise-of-the-Mesmers/first#post5183292

The scenes in PvP has long been stable, with engineers and elementalists standing at the submit while necromancers and rangers made up the base.

With the coming update, PvP faces an unprecedented change.

From Strongest to Weakest:

1) Mesmers

Long oppressed by thieves and thus not being able to stake a claim on being top 3, with the base-lining of many OP traits including grandmaster ones, they are now oppressively strong, various new and enhanced builds more than capable of swatting a thief off and dealing spike damage that is able to make a grown man cry. And with them now rising above their natural predators (thieves), there is going to be no one capable of restraining a mesmer.

2) Elementalists

Having once vied for top spot with the engineers due to their incredible sustain and not slight damage, the new changes invariably strengthens their hold. They lose top spot to Mesmers though due to better mobility on a mesmer.

3) Engineers

One could still interchange engineers position with that of elementalists. Such is the closeness of both professions’ strengths that it is really hard to say who should be 2nd or 3rd. Buffed greatly in the coming update as well, they are still a force to be reckoned with.

4) Warriors

Who can replace a warriors immense support capabilities? No one truly, especially with the buff to longbow, a warrior can only get stronger. Only they are not as versatile as engineers/elementalists and thus have to contend for 4th spot.

5) Guardians

The king of boons, guardians would stand above warriors if not for the existence of boon removals. Buffs to the guardians have not been particularly eye-catching. 5th rank is about right.

6) Thieves

Poor thieves. They used to take 3rd place, the spot just behind elementalists/engineers because of their mobility and their ability to make mesmers cry. Having lost their ability to oppress mesmers, they have sunk to the lows of 6th rank. Future PvP teams would naturally replace thieves with mesmers.

7) Rangers

The base-lining of many of their longbow mechanics have made them stronger. But they are a one-trick pony and easily countered. Ranked behind thieves as thieves can still make them cry.

8) Necromancers

Last and also the least, are the necromancers. Nefarious manipulators of death literally for they are still strongest when they are in the down-state.

Agree or not? Give your own ranks!

Goldenrevolver.4371:

EremiteAngel.9765

first you made a post in the necro forum with the title “eles stole dhuumfire” and now youre here? im just asking myself have u ever played ele? dhuumfire is a gm necro got far after release to give them more strength and it was too much. eles always had fire everywhere. i mean 1 of their 4 attunement is even called fire. what do u think u do with these attacks? it was already dumb that necro will get damaging chill which should have been a ele thing dont make it worse. youre making the whole necro community look stupid

boss you are mistaken.

the person who made that thread in the necro forum is cecilia. not me.

you have too much bias towards me D=

how about if for my elite I use Rampage and transform into a juggernaut to run or catch? that would give me a good mobility for WvW if anyone decides to run or if I need to run.

If I do meet someone who wants to fight, then wouldn’t the hammer mace shield combo be too overbearing for almost any class?

hi warriors. I am a new and budding warrior, less than 20 hours in him!

looking at all the new coming changes, I can’t help but salivate at this combo:

hammer + mace/shield

I am looking more at a WvW solo roaming perspective.

What do you guys think of this combo? is it feasible?

Arms
Minor
Precise Strikes: Your critical hits have a 33% chance to inflict 1 stack of bleeding for 4 seconds.
Rending Strikes: Your critical hits have a 33% chance to inflict 1 stack of vulnerability for 8 seconds.
Bloodlust: Deal 5% additional damage to bleeding foes. Bleeding you inflict lasts 33% longer.

Adept
Berserker’s Fury: Gain 2 adrenaline every 3 seconds while in combat. Striking a foe below 25% health grants fury for 5 seconds (can only trigger once every 10 seconds).

Master
Unuspecting Foe: Gain 50% increased critical hit chance against stunned foes.

Grandmaster
Burst Precision: Burst skills have a 100% critical hit chance.

Defense
Minor
Thick Skin: Gain 120 toughness while you are above 90% health.
Adrenal Health: Heal every 3 seconds based on your current adrenaline level.
Spiked Armor: Gain 150 toughness while you have retaliation. Suffering a critical hit grants you retaliation for 5 seconds (15s ICD)

Adept
Shield Master: Reduces recharge on shield skills by 20%. Blocking an attack grants 1 stack of might for 8 seconds. If you block a missile attack you reflect it instead.

Master
Sundering Mace: Reduces recharge on mace weapon skills by 20%. Mace skills apply 1 stack of vulnerability for 10 seconds whenever they hit a foe that is dazed, launched, knocked down or stunned.

Grandmaster
Last Stand: Gain vigor for 6 seconds whenever you activate a stance. Stance durations last 25% longer. If you are affected by a crowd control skill cast Balanced Stance.

Discipline
Minor
Versatile Rage: Gain 5 adrenaline when you swap weapons.
Fast Hands: Reduces recharge of weapon swap by 5 seconds.
Versatile Power: Gain 2 stacks of might for 10 seconds whenever you swap weapons (combat only). Burst skill recharge is reduced by 15%.

Adept
Warrior’s Sprint: Move 25% faster while wielding melee weapons. Using a movement skill removes the immobilize condition.

Master
Brawler’s Recovery: Remove 1 condition whenever you swap weapons (combat only).

Grandmaster
Merciless Hammer: Reduces recharge of hammer weapon skills by 20%. Hammer skills deal 20% more damage to stunned, dazed, knocked down, or launched foes.

Telekinesis.8312:

we adjust with what we’ve got unlike other classes! :P

johndg.8467:

yep. the mesmer community is the best that i have seen precisely because they adapt to what they are given. despite all of the bugs and drawbacks, mesmers are the most fun class to play and is the most satisfying for many of us. so we can adjust and make things work.

When the new patch hits, the only thing you guys will be adjusting to is how much faster and easier you guys will face-roll all the other classes.

soon the only even matchup will be mesmer vs mesmer

thematically it makes no sense for ele’s fire trait to be stronger than necro’s dhummfire.
ele’s trait is also only a ADEPT while dhuumfire on necro is a GRANDMASTER!
dhummfire is the god of death’s fire!
it should be stronger especially on a GM trait. it only applies like 1 stack of bleeding per shroud 1 which is incredibly slow???

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Elementalist-Stole-Dhuumfire/first#post5175394

this thread here discusses about the pros and cons of ele fire and dhuumfire.

what are your thoughts?

idk why you guys react so badly to my post. I already posted elsewhere that I am sorry for all my posts asking for thieves to be nerfed.
warhorn also has its uses like using it to call for allies to help fight or use it as a warning signal.
a thief is essentially a scout and it will be good to relay info back to his allies easily and quickly

I also posted elsewhere that I think mesmers are the real ones in need of a nerf.
I even started this thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Mesmers-the-only-class-with-no-complaints/first#post5181992

so if you don’t want mesmers to overtake thieves as the top of the food chain, you might want to support me here

um well i am saying the usual triple medi guard doesn’t have the stability utility/traits.
so if a triple medi guard runs into a warrior hammer mace/shield, what should he do to win?

Zero Day.2594:

yolo swaggins.2570:

EremiteAngel.9765:

i think your class specialization new weapon will be a offhand warhorn.

Because we gotta give thief something useless right?

Correction. It’s more like:

Because we can’t give a thief something useful.

this is closer

i think your class specialization new weapon will be a offhand warhorn.

Does this show that mesmers need a nerf?

um…medi guard has no stability?

i posted on this before? can’t remember lol.
i just support or disagree depending on the mood.

we are already OP strong
one weak dhummfire trait is not going to break us.

eles can play condi. I suppose you never met one. but they wreck ppl and they wreck them hard.

that said, necros are not Gods.

Man stole fire from God.
Eles stole fire from Necros?

Not even close.

the amount of stuns they throw out is insane!!
my medi guard only has one stun break??

how do you know I don’t main necro?

iTB.1428:

first – that ranger was terribad
second – he was running bad setup (wrong pets, wrong 2nd weapon set, who knows what else …)

LB/GS Survival Ranger would destroy you with one finger in nose

oh no…that ranger wasn’t terribad…try fighting him yourself…
I saw him dueling a while back and he won all his duels against about 8 different players multiple times.

I would never troll my own people

nods nods /15necro

they have advantage over thieves now:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Mesmers-thieves-now/page/2#post5163374

what are you thieves’ thoughts?

Will mesmers now crush you on the battlefield?
or will you thieves stand up and show them where they really stand?

I told you guys so.
With the explanations, I believe we all agree that necros are in a very good spot.
even the corruption skills, self inflicted condis I always knew was meant for us to utilize as weapons and transfer it to the enemy. so they are actually good if you spec for transfers. If you don’t spec for transfers in your build, then dont use corruption.

but looking at all the negative posts in this forum…
I want to tell you necros:

You guys need to L2P = learn to play.

I was crying in every thread myself over how OP thieves and mesmers and LB rangers are not too long ago.
But then I started to learn to play and realized that necros are already very strong and can hold their own against any class.
Sure, we get some drawbacks here and there, but learn to do the right things, minimize the wrong things, and your chances of winning a fight improves drastically.

A few days ago I downed a dragon finisher d/d + sb thief with my necro in WvW. I did it in a few exchanges of moves.

We traded a couple of hits, him using sb 3 and me using scepter 1 then he went invis. I counted 1.5 seconds and dodged. shortly after I saw a miss sign appearing. I immediately dodged again and saw another miss sign.

My double dodge made him blow 2 of his engage and his stealth ended without landing a hit on me.

I immediately entered shroud and shroud 3 him followed by shroud 5, left shroud and landed a few scepter 1s on him.

He got binded by my shroud 5 and I immediately swapped to staff and casted staff 5 on him. But I missed because he used his rollback heal skill.

I forgot how the rest of the fight went, but it ended very quickly and I won without breaking a sweat.

All I can say is, learn to play and you will not need to complain about this trait bad or that skill bad or this class more OP than necro or that build leaves necro helpless.

We are already very strong and as I mentioned in my other post here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Insight-Once-in-10-thousand-years/first#post5152120

The build diversity that has opened up to us is mouth-wateringly good.

flow.6043:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Warhorn: No significant change = status quo, still viable as power/condi/hybrid

Banshee’s Wail was moved to Blood Magic.

um well i dont use warhorns so…not sure if it is a buff or a nerf…