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good thing my playstyle doesn’t rely much on immobilize…otherwise this really cannot be allowed to stand

godz raiden.2631:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Eremite, are you the forum’s gossip maker 2015?

I think you may be on to something. Every time I log in and even just browse the forums Eremite has a new post somewhere calling something OP, or something else weak, or just stirring up some opinionated arguments somewhere. If he spent the time he spends on this forum on actually playing the game he may have learned how to fight thieves a bit better and not complain about them so much.

And yes, I realize he recently apologized for thief hating, but some of his more recent posts than that one are starting to drift into “whining about thief” territory again. I think it’s fun to read those types of posts though, so I’m all for them lol.

I also think its fun. matching one class against another, probing for more critical thinking and discussion.

Don’t you guys find the forums totally boring without such posts?

Windwalker.7421:

Here are a “few” more…

- Power Block causing Weakness on interrupt
- Confounding Suggestions being a 100% stun on Daze (hello Daze + MW combo!)
- AE Blind on Shatter
- PU providing us with longer & more Stealth than Thieves (and the ability to even specialize into PU while still running a Power Shatter build.)
- Mental Defense, summon pDefender off block or evade
- Restorative Illusions cleansing a condition and healing yourself on shatter
- Cripple on CoF

Virtually every line has some “game changer” in it, as do our Elites (new Moa & Time Warp both are greatly improved!)

Then there is also the 2x 1200 range Blink via Mimic as a perfect getaway. (Or PU + MI for 10s of Stealth will do as well.)

And we haven’t even gotten around to all of the vast Condition damage improvements that will continue to wreck Thieves even more than they already do now.

can you explain how does mimic work for 2 × 1200 range blink?

according to wiki:

Mimic Copy boons from a targeted foe to yourself and doesnt blink

Guys lets put aside meta and look, we may never be the meta, but look at all the builds!
I am filled with joy when I see every build has its own niche area and can be traited for synergy.

No one build is like meh it won’t work or is flawed to the point of being discarded.

Pure corruption builds…
Pure spectral builds…
Pure minion builds! (weeps in joy)
Pure well builds…
Pure shout builds…

the diversity is endless! all viable!

Zetsumei.4975:

I think you need a reminder of how necros do in top tier spvp and re-evaluate whether those builds are to be considered ‘strong’. Unless you mean are they capable of killing the average casual pug then sure there are countless gimmick builds in the game that can be considered strong.

you also need a reminder that not everything is spvp…

Edit: even if spvp, all the builds i mentioned above are all spvp viable…I think…I don’t spvp much…just thinking…

I was resting away from the computer earlier when I had an extremely gifted insight.
I am now going to share this insight with all of you fellow necros.

Please follow the following steps:
1) put away all your hate and discontent for a moment
2) look at all the trait lines and skills and weapons again
3) notice something?

INSIGHT
1) Every weapon option is viable
2) Every skill is viable
3) Every trait line is viable
We now have multiple build options that are all equally viable!

Looking at all the discontented posts, I realized that you guys are actually hating on small minor things.
If you look at the whole, the necro changes actually made us very interesting to play, with immense build diversity all viable!

Weapons:
Scepter: No significant change = status quo. still viable as power/condi/hybrid.
Dagger: No significant change = status quo, still viable as power/hybrid
Axe: Slight buff to Axe 3
Warhorn: No significant change = status quo, still viable as power/condi/hybrid
Focus: Slight buff to range
Staff: Buffed immensely in all areas
Great Sword: New weapon, no comments

Skills:
Wells: QOL change
Minions: Buffed
Signets: Buffed

Traits
Spite: Viable? Yes
Curses: Viable? Yes
Death Magic: Viable? Yes
Blood Magic: Viable? Yes
Soul Reaping: Viable? Yes
Reaper: New, no comments

Build Diversity
1) Minion-mancer: This is now no longer a dream. Traited properly, they can be insanely strong
2) Power-mancer: Strong? Yes
3) Condi-mancer: Strong? Yes
4) Corruption-mancer variant: Strong? Yes
5) Spectral-mancer variant: Strong? Yes
6) Signet-mancer variant: Strong? Yes
7) Well-mancer variant: Strong? Yes
8) Hybrid-mancer variant of any listed: Strong? Yes
9) Bunker-mancer variant: Strong? Yes
10) Sustain-mancer variant: Strong? Yes
11) Support-mancer variant: Strong? Yes
12) Shout-mancer variant: New, no comments
13) Chill-mancer variant: New, no comments
14) Reaper-mancer variant: New, no comments

LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF BUILDS WE NOW HAVE AVAILABLE!
And these are not including the mix and match hybrid builds that we can theory craft.

This is the insight I wish to share with my fellow necros.
Thank you Anet for opening up so many build possibilities to us.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/PU-Shatter-anyone-Mass-Invis-10s/first#post5150372

this thread talks about how stealth has been buffed for mesmers.

what are the thieves’ thoughts?

will thieves fall behind in terms of stealth?

or will mesmers finally stand on equal footing as thieves?

Strategist.6132:

Nice meeting you too bro:P Maybe we’ll meet in game someday.

About the SA: You’re right that this is buff, depending on what the actual numbers are of course. We still don’t know about that.

I think mesmers were also buffed in general a bit I think! (I might be wrong on this) But since thieves have more and longer access to stealth I think thieves will still burst down a mesmer faster. But we have to wait for HoT for that:P

mesmers got a new buffed PU trait.
100% boost to all stealth skills used by mesmer, gain random boon every second while stealthed.

mesmers will outlast a thief in stealth very soon.

traited corruptions will now:

21 sec blood is power (aoe 8 stack might for 8 seconds to allies)
20 sec corrosive poison cloud (lasts for 12 secs! 3 stack poison per pulse and weaken)
27 sec corrupt boon (27sec!!!!)
13 sec epidemic (i don’t really use this much so…)
120 sec plague elite
20 sec consume condition

look at the timing and what each skill does. It is OP.

Might be because they need to explain why a full set of corruption skills, unique only to the necromancer, shows the least use in gameplay statistically.

so they turn consume conditions, the most used healing skill, into a corruption. and viola, now they got statistical proof that corruptions are well-used and liked by all necromancers.

that’s just humor.

please stop complaining. corruption is already very strong. a little penalty of self-inflicted condition is a small price to pay.

ah…thank you for the clarification guys. good to know things are still around status quo.
especially those who explained nicely like strategist and jana.

except for SA? sure looks like a buff to me with all the traits merging.

That said, I got a feeling that mesmers will take over thieves as top of the food chain very soon.

Perhaps I shall bring my war to them.

Adios thieves. it was nice meeting you all.

um…if you guys are complaining over something so small…then try playing necro…
what you mentioned above will become very insignificant

you guys are already buffed to the skies…I don’t think you will do badly with a couple of drawbacks…

stop bashing OreoWolf.

and everyone stop complaining!

Necros are actually immensely strong now and after the patch.
I can barely wait to stuff all the other classes in their respective holes.

Allying makes you collectively strong, but when scattered, makes you weaker than you were before.

- unknown

this thread here scares me:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/PU-Shatter-anyone-Mass-Invis-10s/first#post5150411

New mesmer buff:

Prismatic Understanding: Stealth applied by your mesmer skills lasts 100% longer. Additionally every second you are stealthed you randomly gain aegis, might, protection, regeneration or swiftness.

stealth lasts twice as long for ALL mesmer stealth skills…every second in stealth you gain a random boon…

thieves have always been king of stealths…so…bummer…

engineers in PvP fight with lock-on to reveal stealth will be so much more important and a must-have in every team now

I don’t even want to imagine 1v1 scenarios now between necro vs thief or necro vs mesmer

BUT

Mesmer vs Thief

now that will be interesting. Will we finally see Mesmer move to the top of the food chain?

I am particularly happy that mesmers now get reliable AOE skills that will allow them to contribute even more in a zerg fight WvW.

I never played mesmer because the skill floor is too high. Now I am planning to roll one for HoT to play a well chronomancer to participate in zerg fights!

Yamsandjams.3267:

Hopefully they swap it with terror so people can take either MoC or PoC with terror and just ignore lingering curse.

i dont think u’ll want that if they dont give our condi duration back that we initially had from traits…

LC will become extremely important for u to stack bleeds…

CratZ.6270:

immobilize seems like a good combination to go with that vulnerability

i found this extremely funny
thanks for the laugh

I think one thing we have to note is we do not know how the removed stats from the traitlines are going to go.

will we lose the +30% condi duration and condi dmg stats that previously came with choosing the trait line?

If we don’t get other methods of gaining that 30%, then suddenly lingering curse becomes very strong, giving us 100% condi duration and 150 condi dmg.
admittedly, the only skill that will really benefit is scepter 1. scepter 2 is unreliable and scepter 3 has no condi.

but still, our scepter 1’s bleed bleed poison is extremely deadly by itself. buffed by this grandmaster trait, we can auto glass cannons to death.

having said that, it all depends on whether or not anet will give us back the lost condi duration and dmg in other ways. if they are lost forever, then this trait becomes very valuable. if not, then this trait really is useless.

I agree with you that dhummfire is pretty much useless on a necromancer. on a reaper however, that is a whole different matter…dhummfire should probably only be chosen if one specializes into a Reaper.

um…why would they change the rune just for your class…this is a rune for general classes…

Lordrosicky.5813:

EremiteAngel.9765:

combo signet of vamp with shroud 4 and traited shroud stability.
heals you up very nice and safe.
you no longer need to worry much about your healing getting interrupted.

Well you still have to cast the signet which is a 1.25s cast.

they wouldn’t know which signet to interrupt. they all look the same on activation =D

combo signet of vamp with shroud 4 and traited shroud stability.
heals you up very nice and safe.
you no longer need to worry much about your healing getting interrupted.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Yamsandjams.3267:

Lordrosicky.5813:

I dont think in pvp necros will run it anymore. I think we are locked in to a signet condition spec now.

The details are important though.

Plague Sending: When you have 3 or more conditions on you your next critical hit casts Plague Signet on your target. This trait benefits from the recharge bonus of Signets of Suffering.

This needs a short icd (no more than 30s). It seems like it will be 30s and reduced to 24s with the signet trait. WHich also converts boons? Seems amazing to me. Really amazing.

Note that it says “benefits from the recharge bonus of Signets of Suffering”, it does not say it “benefits from all effects of Signets of Suffering”. As such, it may not convert boons on the plague sending auto-cast, only on the actual plague signet utility skill.

I highly doubt that. It says it benefits from the reduced cooldown. It would make sense from a coding point of view if it didnt get the other benefits. They added this sort of synergy a while ago. Like last gasp benefits from spectral traits

you’re right. it will share all the benefits of a traited signet.
it is afterall casting the signet of plague itself.

just like auto spectral armor or auto focus 4 in traits.

Exciton.8942:

SlimChance.6593:

Does it matter. From the looks of it. We’ll all be trying to keep up to Engi’s as usual.

EDIT: I just realized something. With Improvisation and Consume Plasma, thieves will leave us for LAST. They’ll just keep stealing from us so they can down everyone else first. We don’t have to worry anymore. Its really a buff to Mesmer!

.. always look on the bright side of life…
https://youtu.be/WlBiLNN1NhQ

That sounds about right. Next time I see a thief, i will just type in “Don’t kill me. I am your buff generator” in the chat.

oh…they will kill you first alright…
mesmers now have immense potential to 1 hit KO any class, especially thieves.

ele got buffed into the skies and you are not that satisfied…

Daniel Handler.4816:

SlimChance.6593:

Does it matter. From the looks of it. We’ll all be trying to keep up to Engi’s as usual.

No it doesn’t he just has this weird sense of community. Where it’s okay to troll thieves and be nice to mesmers.

thieves hurt me a lot so…

90% of my deathrate is contributed by thieves.

something must be wrong with that class’s mechanics.

I pin pointed steal and shadow arts

oh yes…
the signet necro’s star has risen

signet necro is the new meta

traited signets are like corrupt boons…deadly

Alkaline.2809:

Bhawb.7408:

I wouldn’t say we have as much reason to be universally joyful. Despite the fact that I am happy they listened to us in many cases, and I think these are overall positive changes for us, they aren’t perfect. I would much rather we constructively go over how we feel about the changes (though I don’t think wetting the blanket and whining is appropriate either) than get on our knees before ANet as though they have bestowed us with perfect changes.

I partially agree but if you really look at the other professions like elementalist, engineer, and mesmer the changes just dont seem to be as balanced. Its like they gave those classes a race car and they upgraded us from horse-n-buggy to ford truck

we were never a horse n buggy to begin with.
we were a tank.
now we have become a nuclear bomb.

imagine pairing up shroud 4’s teleport of downed allies to you with signet of undeath aoe ress 3 of them.

Daniel Handler.4816:

Ermite the majority of mesmer don’t come into the necro forum to say negative things. Nor do the majority of necro’s come to the mesmer forum to do the same. Why you feel the need to come in not only our forums but the forums of thieves as well, and pretty much any forum I have seen you in, and ask to nerf things is beyond me.

I don’t think anyone I the thief thread you created and linked is happy or joyful. Nor do you promote good relations with any community for any of your fellow necros who don’t complain before testing in a real situation.

Edit: like this thread. Who would be secretly happy their community is sad. That is a new realm of selfish delusion.

please calm down. i think you are over generalizing things.
if you look at the mesmer forum, i infact celebrate and congratulate them for their changes. and the possibility that they are now stronger than thieves.
they have been oppressed by thieves for way too long.
now is their turn to shine.

actually I am secretly happy that every class is rejoicing and necros seem to be sad.
the worse our class seems to be means the fewer necros there will be.
means those who play necros like me will be exclusive.

and despite all the sadness, necros are actually immensely strong. Now and after the patch.
I can’t wait to play my signet necro.

fear the mesmer.
its real.

Even though I don’t play mesmer and got no idea what those changes to you guys mean, I believe you guys.

the mesmer thread is overflowing with joy.
I’m happy for you mesmers. no longer going to get whipped by thieves.

I especially like the mesmer thread.
they are just that bit short of bowing down before anet and kissing them.

Honestly looking at the changes, we are in a good spot with only a couple of nerfs and bad trait placements that we can live with.
I like plague sending and staff buffs and signet buffs.

look at the ele and mesmer and thief threads they are rejoicing. overflowing with joy in fact.
especially ele and mesmer. not a single complain. just uncontrolled joy and thanks.

we should do the same.

Look at Ranger’s Joy. they even say goodbye necros. but lets say goodbye to them instead!

Mesmer’s joy:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Mesmer-Changes-1/first#post5148987

Ele’s Joy:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Thank-You-for-Saving-Elementalists/first#post5147985

Thief’s Joy
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/what-steal-got-buffed-and-SA-trait/first#post5149322

Engineer’s Joy
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/Anet-Nice-One/first#post5148495

Ranger’s Joy (they even say goodbye necros)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/nice-changes/first#post5148181

thief steal got buffed.

stolen plasma not nerfed either.

RIP mesmers?

but looking at your changes…are you now actually greater than thieves?

steal cooldown incredibly low when traited…nothing nerfed…

SA: when in stealth, gain initiative regen health cure condi stealth longer reduce dmg in stealth…

I don’t know how to kill a thief anymore

unsplit means that CnD will no longer have different damage in different areas.
it will now do the same damage whether you are in pve or pvp or wvw.

previously pve CnD did more dmg and pvp less dmg. now they reduced dmg in pve and increased dmg in pvp so that it is now the same.

AWESOME
/15necro

finally some justice.
well done anet.
I suggest allowing more classes the reveal stealth ability that you have so lovingly given to engineers.

Doom & Gloom means a general feeling of pessimism or despondency.

I think we as necros should stop displaying that.

I believe that Anet will buff necro’s sustain considerably this time. We will truly become the king of attrition.

Also I can’t wait for them to reveal the signet buffs. Signets are already very OP and with all the new signet trait buffs, we are going to crush all before us.

Sizzle Hint.1820:

EremiteAngel.9765:

I got stomped by a dragon-finisher thief earlier while roaming on my Guardian…
I had no idea his daze lasted so long and I was thinking whether I should waste my one stun break on his daze when I got downed.

It all happened in like 2-3 seconds.

daze hit hit dead guardian.

I am starting to wonder if a thief’s daze should be nerfed.

LOL omg now i understand why u make all these threads

Tell me, do you mainly roam? How many games do you have in PvP? My guess is below 1k

Yes I am a roamer…it is way more fun roaming than PvP.
PvP is just endless mindless slaughtering and ganking one another.
Roaming is where the real 1 vs 1 duels occur.

And yes I have less than 1k PvP games.
I have about 400+ games now with a win rate of about 40%.
Which is pretty good considering the weak teams I have been placed into…

I got stomped by a dragon-finisher thief earlier while roaming on my Guardian…
I had no idea his daze lasted so long and I was thinking whether I should waste my one stun break on his daze when I got downed.

It all happened in like 2-3 seconds.

daze hit hit dead guardian.

I am starting to wonder if a thief’s daze should be nerfed.

I think I have been complaining too much about thieves.

I took Jana’s advice, saved my staff 5 for shadow refuge and I am actually winning more regularly as a necro!

Also with all the other advice on dodging a thief’s initial gap closer/steal, it helps greatly in the fight.

Okay actually I did not win more regularly.
I just won against a dragon-finisher thief though.
and that felt great.

(I know he is dragon finisher because he stomped my Guardian earlier)

So I am sorry for complaining so much about thieves.

Video:

Rangers are not that fearsome. Learn how to conquer them, even with the least mobile class! (no price for guessing which class that is)

LughLongArm.5460:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEXVI7kkjjI

Hi Rangers, I recently encountered this ranger who went invis 3 times in a row on me in a very short duration and opened the gap on me many times even without seeming to have swapped his longbow for his alternate movement weapons.

Are there more than one ways for a ranger to go invis? how did this ranger go invis on me 3 times in a row in like 12 seconds?

Also he seemed to be able to weapon swap very quickly?

Can someone look at his skills and figure out his build? also what pet is he using? one seems like a spider but the other one I can’t tell what it is.

Thanks in advance!

Nince fight man. The build he’s using (somthing like that)-
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAT8YjEq0yaBLOsQ1ag+ga5DEAt/hV4GY+vfwIKC-TVxVwAFU+BY/hT6GEq+DFlgAA-w

You might be right about the fast weapon swap(warrior rune). A vriation of this build been used by folpy the rabbit(ranger streamer).
https://www.youtube.com/user/BlueFlopy/videos
Floppy’s build -
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAT8YjEq0yaBL+rw1ag+ga9DEAjdzfYFY+vfQJfqI-TFTEABKqWBUKJg7CAAwBBYgHAAiqqwlSwoUmZ0+DMpUwhjAQb6GCAcAc+5ZezDO/8zP/8z78zP/8zPvUAVsAA-w

(thats why I guss he also used warrior rune).
your guy made small changes, took EB over read the wind and SoS over SoR.

hmmm good points. it is highly possible he is using warrior runes! that is so rare and so odd. no wonder he seemed to be weapon swapping so quickly!

Jana.6831:

EremiteAngel.9765:

I am not a Master level Necro, but those thieves that killed me were not Master level thieves either. Thieves just hold too many cards against every class except Guardians.

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh2_WxuNUKs

Had to leave earlier, so I just flipped through your video and couldn’t really write to it,but now I can:

(One thing in general: you seem to randomly use your skills, works against non pros but not against those who know what they’re doing)

Thief against who you lost(I guess): The fields are good, he failed to interrupt you for whatever reason, you hadn’t had him in target when he popped his SR and you wasted your fear before he used his SR. And after that you think he’s gone and you had 2 npcs against you “but it’s just npcs!!” yeah, but one of them blinds (next outgoing attack misses) and the other immobilizes. Winning a fight against multiple npcs and a player is really hard.

The other 2 thief fights: You won them anyway but failed to time your fear again.

I like your movement but like I said in the beginning: You seem to randomly press buttons. If I miss either my one interrupt (the stuff I steal from you (D/D thief)) or get feared out of my SR, I’m toast against a necro.

thanks for the feedback! actually u r not the first to say that i am spamming my skills once its available.

I don’t disagree with that and i am trying to improve!

that said, i should also say that i play a high dmg build and spamming all my staff marks in a chain generates a large amount of burst that can kill the wary.

what i need to learn is the defensive skill animations on other players and time my spam appropriately so i don’t waste them on blocks or invul etc

but yes thanks for the insight! i will also save my staff 5 fear for shadow refuge in future and see if i get to kill the thief =D

i think u r the nicest thief on this forum

I also feel that power necros have it much easier against a thief.
Catch them with one good fear, two Life blasts and the thief is a goner.

back to OP, great video as usual.
In fact I consider your last duel with the thief your win. If they run, and that thief did run quite a few times, you already won.

Also I think you didn’t mention in the video, but you showed in many times in the duels, that when pressured, pop plague elite to get the thief off you. If the thief continues to engage you in melee range while you are in plague form, then that thief is not experienced enough.

Plague form = thief has to go range.

Cecilia.5179:

Interesting build. I saw people I knew in that video, lol

I hope you didn’t tell them I partcipated in the bag looting when our zerg crashed into the dueling area at the end! XD