Guild Wars 2

masztipapa.7519:

Another useless thread, thieves gonna defend their proff til the end of the world, no use to post one-shottin backstabbers. Happened to me as well, not gonna post it cuz they will send me to hell-.- Anyway just to defend the OP a little since u guys dont know other classes, eles and guardians have the lowest base health of 10k, yes 10k! 16k health on an elementalist is pretty.

Warrior, Necromancer 18,372
Engineer, Ranger, Mesmer 15,082
Guardian, Thief, Elementalist 10,805

stof.9341:

Evilek.5690:

Enemy armor 2755=1883,22 DMG !!!! with crit=150% normal damage + critikal rating - 70%=220%——>18883.22 DMG*2,2=4142DMG 15% signet of assassin 20% <50%eagle runes +5%=4142*1,4=5198 DMG !!

ON your screen 7752 DMG back stab=2960 non crit—>+- 1900 armor.
Heh man YOU ARE GLASS CANNON AND UGLY LIAR !!!!!

You forgot :
- thief trait Deadly arts 25 = +10% damage on target with a condition. Thankfully, C&D puts a condition on the target already.
- thief trait Critical Strike 25 = 10% damage when above 6 initiative which isn’t have to pull if all you did is a single C&D
- major thief trait Trickery = +5% damage when attacking the back or flanks. Backstab kinda guarantees it’s on the back or flanks
- C&D puts vulnerability on the target, 3 stacks

Result? Assuming the traits add themselves up additively we get +25% from traits and +3% from vulnerability.

The damage becomes 6700.

You said to use Eagle runes but the Scholar runes are much better for backstab also. And then activating signet of assassin gives 5 stacks of might if traited (which it’s probably). He could also have used another signet for even more might. I don’t think 7700 damage is far fetched.

True my mistake

1883*1,30 pasive traits (10% dmg with poison and 10% when initiative is ower 6 and +5% dager damage,5% signet on weapon)=2447 DMG—>crit with 260% crit DMG is 6364 DMG, but this is an ideal situation =)

BTW Thief on this build has 10805 HP and zero surival + burst DMG only once per 45 sec =)

Rottaran Owain.6789:

Keep in mind that attacks like unload, and sneak attack. We’d be able to keep an enemy frozen practically forever in pistol builds with that.

I wrote ONE sec CD = max 1 poison on sneak attack and unload.
But it is no problem to increase for 1.5 sec

Add to all the poisons passive component

Spider Venom,Skale Venom and Ice Drake Venom —-> every three attacks(1 sec CD) apply effect of this poison on half time.

Really AN Are you making fun of all the Thief ?

“Leeching Venoms: This trait now scales based on the thief’s power.”

Damage this TRAIT with 1216 power is 348 dmg and with 2139 is 371 dmg!!!!
This is to be compensated for the nerf ?

To:Wolfgang Michael

True story. on tPvP is this combo pure fail.

ilJumperMT.4871:

backstab hits only for 6-7k on high armor class.

try again

Of course but this Mr Fellknight or actually Mr FRENZY use “Frenzy” and then wonder why it gets 11K Backstab.

kagemitsu.3657:

I’m a Guardian with 3.2k toughness and 18k health.

Feels balanced, man.

What do you think? I have a big armor, I’m immortal !!! ????

2.3k Backstab DMG so hard !!!

instantcoffee.1785:

Buy I’ve been in 3 games where one entire team was 6-8 thieves.

And where is problem ? One Thief in the team ? Why no..But 1+ is so pure fail

NightyNight.1823:

The majority of people here complaining about Thieves never even heard of stun breakers .The recent video added on Thief forum is just the evidence of that.Should we take them into consideration?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZMl4S4C7Sk
The Thief is obviously OP whit that 5k Back Stab.
Warriors Eviscerate can pull the same damage and doesn’t take that much possitioning and buffing.

Man nice wid !!! This video you proved that it is possible to man lived without a brain and still could write on forum.
Zero stun break only traps ??? Next time L2P your class and then maybe you will understand that without the “stun break” can not play against any class.

Loco.4561:

I have a number of friends who play thief, some of them are, very, very good at the class. I’ve asked them, do you think thieves are Op at the moment, every single one replied “Yes”. I duo WvW with a full beserker/exotic thief I watch him down players before I am even in range, the damage he can put out is just nuts and he does this consistently.

I have come across thieves in WvW (and before you pipe up, I know it’s WvW and peoples gear can be vastly different) that can and do kill players in under 2 seconds. I’m a full exotic bunker built Ele, I came across a thief who was consistently doing between 16-19k damage with Steal, Cloak & Dagger, Backstab with Backstab critting for between 8-9k, my health pool at the time was 16.8k. He would down me before I even had a chance to react. Considering I am bunker/tank character, imagine the amount of damage he would be doing to any glass cannon built players.

No profession should be able to down a player before they have a chance to react, I don’t care how “squishy” you keep telling people they are, as stealth makes up for having less survivability.

Does thief need toning down? Absolutely.

First time 16k HP and bunker build ? Nope you are pure glass cannon
Second-Your enemy could use 5-6 skills and you failed to use neither ?
Man you are a SLUG in glass cannon body.

DiogoSilva.7089:

Hundred Blades setup is the great noob killer that takes a lot of skill to work against good players. The Backstab setp is simply much more effective.

:D Yeah man !!!! Warrior: Frenzy+Bull charge(1k dmg+/2 sec stun)100b(12k AOE dmg)Whirlwind Attack+(5.5k AOE dmg)=18,5K AOE DMG is very diferent to use. Thief must use “only” Basilisk venom(1.5 sec stun)assassin signet+steal+CaD+Backstab+HS to give same (single target) DMG like Warrior.
But you’re right !!!!! (irony)

Poxxia.1547:

Evilek.5690:

slacker.9352:

How much toughness did you have? I mean, I play a support elementalist build with 2100 toughness and 14k hp and I had protection up and died alot faster then 1.5 sec…(rank 37) what’s your secret in surviving 1.5sec?

Interesting. You play as toilet paper ? Because die for 1.5 seconds probably wants a lot of skills or inability in your case ?

You don’t get it, do you? I run as ele with 2.5k armor (not a tank, but not fragile either), and I have around 16k hp, if I remember correctly (or is it 17 … at work atm). By the time basilisk venom was down to 10% hp and as good as dead. That is 1½ sec. That is unavoidable. The thief came out of the blue, I had clear vision from where he should come from, and it was not in WvW. Having 1½ sec to react is one thing, but this is just out of this world. And yes, I of course had a stunbreaker (even 2) but they were on cd, which is bound to happen with all the thieves running around … and I can deal fine with almost any other thing that comes my way without it as Scepter&Dagger-ele.

I usually find thieves fun to fight, but when things begin to be unavoidable and out of the blue … just where is the sense in it?

PS: wt .. can’t I write S / D anymore .. why did that get kittened?

Where’s the point? That you do not have a CD on spells means of a class is too strong ?

Warrior charge you —> 2 sec knock down —> Frenzy —> 100b --→ if you do not CD on stun break = you are death.

slacker.9352:

How much toughness did you have? I mean, I play a support elementalist build with 2100 toughness and 14k hp and I had protection up and died alot faster then 1.5 sec…(rank 37) what’s your secret in surviving 1.5sec?

Interesting. You play as toilet paper ? Because die for 1.5 seconds probably wants a lot of skills or inability in your case ?

Jnaathra.6549:

Also post class, race and if you have passive speed boosts.

Three times complete.
Human
Thief
25% passive speed

L2p 25% passive speed bonus dont work on CW jump puzzle

Robomath.3085:

http://youtu.be/TQFw4tzyajo

full health – thief blinks in, and 3 shots be before reappearing. Ya they aren’t broken at all!

1.You are clicker
2.Slow as a slug
3.Crap build

This is your main problem

Next time use normal build with “Protect Me” ( http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Protect_Me%22 ) no this glass cannon crap and macro on 6-0 button.

Dear AN,when fixet this two spell ? Shadow Shot is pure fail,this spell missing DMG (animation) at 80% hits(enemies do not use any skills only stay)and this spell make “miss”
Same problem on Heartseeker,enemy only run,do not use any skills and this spell missing DMG.
Thans for early fix.