Guild Wars 2

sorrow.2364:

RoRo.8270:

evilapprentice.6379:

RoRo.8270:

Ya it was overbuffed they can take me down pretty easily on my hgh engy they literally spam it 4x and im down to 30% health and all my might stacks are gone then they stealth and wait for initiative or use the shadow step skill. I play hgh engi they shred me apart

It also has a low skill ceiling. The problem with theives is if it’s a bad theif they will still be good because they can stealth or use their ridiculous teleports making them unkillable pretty much

I’m just going to be brutally honest with you – from the tone, writing style, and the way you described things in this post, I’m comfortable assuming you’re not the greatest player, and are not qualified to judge whats OP, has a low skill ceiling, etc…

Don’t be discouraged, that’s not a putdown. You can always get better. Watch some S/D video’s/spectate an S/D thief to get an idea how they work and you’ll start doing much better.

I’m rank 40 I have over 1k tourney games so I have a better idea than most people. Also I didn’t know that someones writing style dictates how they play the game thanks for pointing that out for me

Just ignore that guy. I had 2 pages of arguments with him leading pretty much to nothing.
That is the same guy who said LS is fine because it can be dodged because it has an obvious animation.

You are funny .You wrote the four pages of absolute nonsense.
Go back to the necromancers forum crying as weak is necromancer and how strong is the thief

Edit: To Puru.4217
Guardian can also reapply boons faster than a S/D thief can take them, If you weaken the FS on removing only once boons so this spell will not be using again=more D/D D/P Thiefs Gl HF =)

BTW: Sorrow like old FS,because old FS is amazing powerful skill

sorrow.2364
The Thief is the only class which has a dodge !!!

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endure_Pain
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Shield
And many other abilities

And point 4 is so ridiculous that it is not worth even commenting

sorrow.2364:

DanH.5879:

the answer is simple:
DON’T USE BOONS !!!
problem solved.

Yeah, the answer is to completely avoid to use a base game mechanic because S/D thieves are around. Looks balanced.

And unkillable boons Guardian,Ranger or Ele is balanced ? Do not be silly
Boons steal/remove is only way how kill this terminators. All things must have their nemesis=balance.

Fade.5904:

Shadow Return feels very ‘clunky’ and unintuative now.

I have no issue with a 1200m range but why does LOS and terrain elevation affect it now?
Quite often dropping you into scenery or under the world.

Please put the skill back to how it used to be but with a 1200m range

Shadow Return: Return to your original location. Cure one condition.
Now does not work because instead of to you it returned to its original position you to move back to a 1200 and stuck you in teren

Fix this problem:

Move back unlimited range and fix spell hint 1200 yard to new unlimited

Elmuerto.9840:

Ok just wanted to verify this, as I’ve never really ‘examined’ it – so Asura are small and so harder to target when clicking with a mouse than Charr?

What what ? Man in this game is auto targeting and TAB button

Charr power !

sorrow.2364:

Daecollo.9578:

I play Spvp and WvWvW and I still don’t see many S/D Thieves.

Most of the thieves I see are heartseeking cloak and dagger and P/D, D/P Infinite stealth thieves.

Just
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/showposts/sorrow-2364/9
You: The pathing of FS is fine. The first strike always land if you are in melee range, the second one needs you to get closer to enemy if he moved, not to hard anyway. I don’t see any problem here.

This is from a long time ago when flanking strike was absolutely horrible, a lot of your posts are NOTHING but about trying to get thieves nerfed. Your posts not only /FLAT OUT LIE/ about our class, your blatantly constantly assaulting it in hopes it gets nerfed.

Pages 1-7 are constantly being asked for thieves skills to be nerfed, complaining about stealth, asking for things to be nerfed.

Do you ever take a break? If you hate thieves so much why don’t you play one instead of complaining about them?

Attachment.
So the fact that I play a Thief means I have to cry like a baby and start hating when someone says “nerf” and “thief” in the same sentence and only suggesting buffs for my dear, beloved profession?

Nice Thief dude, he must be your main charracter.
33% map complete and nice green armor

FS is easy to dodge with same damage as does your autoattack.

To Sata.9281
Next time when you go dungeon please make a video.
I’m really curious about your performance: D

With full berserker gear and trait is thief sentenced to use the bow or pistil no melee weapons

ProxyDamage.9826:

Evilek.5690:

I play with full defensive utilities,18k HP and 2.7k armor and barely survive in dungeons.
With full berserker gear is imposible play dungeons.

Other class with full berserker gear and traits farm all dungeons.

You’re doing something horribly wrong… I used my thief in dungeons when he was lvl 75, with kittenty gear, and a terrible build (for dungeons) without sword and I did decently enough.

That said, OP if you’re almost entirely PvE then it’s practically mandatory to try one of the “holy three” of PvE: Mesmer, Guardian and Warrior. Warrior is, by far, the easiest thing to level and PvE with in the world. Mesmer and Guardian will give you a bit more variety and are also quite easy to play. Out of the tree, Mesmer is probably the hardest to level (which still isn’t very hard) as it is the most build-dependent.

I’m not dying in dungeons, I’m just saying it frustrating that I must to go to full tank build and others class can play with berserker gear and traits.

Thief has low HP and low armor.

bobross.5034:

thief is not bad in pve…see the thread ‘thief and dungeon balancing’ from today. it also offers some interesting support options, and can work well in a pve group or solo.

I play with full defensive utilities,18k HP and 2.7k armor and barely survive in dungeons.
With full berserker gear is imposible play dungeons.

Other class with full berserker gear and traits farm all dungeons.

99% PvE and want to play Thief ? Thief is horrible PvE class.

You stay in Fire dude

Deniara Devious.3948:

And for your information most AoE do NOT interrupt stomping.

Yep do NOT interurrupt stomping but interrupt(kill) Thief

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Sifu.6527:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

you must be playing a handicapped thief

thiefs have the highest mobility ingame
as well as the Highest dps
they arent the only medium armor users
can use combo fields to stealth indefinetly as long they do not hit an opponent
no cooldown stun breaker/teleport/shadowstep
steal boons
gain boons by stealing wich is also a shadowstep
Heal skills- i dont know what you’re talking about each heals for about 5k hp without traits nor gear buff not only that one of the heal evades cures cripple,chilled and immobilize another cures burn bleed and poison and stealths and the other heals per attack passively.

they dont have Direct boons because they have signets (signets got buffed up to 100% so they give 180 points instead of 90 now)

How cow batman! I see a 30/30/30/30/30 thief!

Yep like this kids with 30/30/30/30 Trait build

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/72662/gw004.jpg

was only done with 20/30/10/0/10

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/70788/gw001.jpg

holy shhhhh!
dat 3 signet thief must be an unkillable death machine!

you see thief is stronger than most think stealth is good but so is perma blinding. and teleporting

at least it shows im showing skill by not Relying on Stealth/backstab/heartseek spam unlike 90% thiefs

thats just one of my builds anyways.

Me signet warrior is stronged sorry =(

diference is i have blinds+#2 skill’s teleport/stun breaker+ my #3 stuns before doing the 9 hits.

and my damage was similiar to yours besides the 2 big crits with a One handed weapon.

You have absolutely nothing when I attack you: D

then again how would you harm me in smoke fields or stunned?

but whatever i dont like thiefs myself lol

Of corse you have 24/7 smoke field and shadow reeturn

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infiltrator%27s_Arrow 6 in blind on one hit

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Powder 6in

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Shadows blind on one hit

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tactical_Strike you need stealth 6 in with CaD and autoattack

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cloaked_in_Shadow

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Basilisk_Venom

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pistol_Whip
close enough lol

Of corse mister " Unlimited Initiative" But normal Thief have only 12 initiative.
But sorry you going 30/30/30/30 build

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Sifu.6527:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

you must be playing a handicapped thief

thiefs have the highest mobility ingame
as well as the Highest dps
they arent the only medium armor users
can use combo fields to stealth indefinetly as long they do not hit an opponent
no cooldown stun breaker/teleport/shadowstep
steal boons
gain boons by stealing wich is also a shadowstep
Heal skills- i dont know what you’re talking about each heals for about 5k hp without traits nor gear buff not only that one of the heal evades cures cripple,chilled and immobilize another cures burn bleed and poison and stealths and the other heals per attack passively.

they dont have Direct boons because they have signets (signets got buffed up to 100% so they give 180 points instead of 90 now)

How cow batman! I see a 30/30/30/30/30 thief!

Yep like this kids with 30/30/30/30 Trait build

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/72662/gw004.jpg

was only done with 20/30/10/0/10

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/70788/gw001.jpg

holy shhhhh!
dat 3 signet thief must be an unkillable death machine!

you see thief is stronger than most think stealth is good but so is perma blinding. and teleporting

at least it shows im showing skill by not Relying on Stealth/backstab/heartseek spam unlike 90% thiefs

thats just one of my builds anyways.

Me signet warrior is stronged sorry =(

diference is i have blinds+#2 skill’s teleport/stun breaker+ my #3 stuns before doing the 9 hits.

and my damage was similiar to yours besides the 2 big crits with a One handed weapon.

You have absolutely nothing when I attack you: D

then again how would you harm me in smoke fields or stunned?

but whatever i dont like thiefs myself lol

Of corse you have 24/7 smoke field and shadow reeturn
Still some fairytale before I go to sleep?

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Sifu.6527:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

you must be playing a handicapped thief

thiefs have the highest mobility ingame
as well as the Highest dps
they arent the only medium armor users
can use combo fields to stealth indefinetly as long they do not hit an opponent
no cooldown stun breaker/teleport/shadowstep
steal boons
gain boons by stealing wich is also a shadowstep
Heal skills- i dont know what you’re talking about each heals for about 5k hp without traits nor gear buff not only that one of the heal evades cures cripple,chilled and immobilize another cures burn bleed and poison and stealths and the other heals per attack passively.

they dont have Direct boons because they have signets (signets got buffed up to 100% so they give 180 points instead of 90 now)

How cow batman! I see a 30/30/30/30/30 thief!

Yep like this kids with 30/30/30/30 Trait build

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/72662/gw004.jpg

was only done with 20/30/10/0/10

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/70788/gw001.jpg

holy shhhhh!
dat 3 signet thief must be an unkillable death machine!

you see thief is stronger than most think stealth is good but so is perma blinding. and teleporting

at least it shows im showing skill by not Relying on Stealth/backstab/heartseek spam unlike 90% thiefs

thats just one of my builds anyways.

Me signet warrior is stronged sorry =(

diference is i have blinds+#2 skill’s teleport/stun breaker+ my #3 stuns before doing the 9 hits.

and my damage was similiar to yours besides the 2 big crits with a One handed weapon.

You have absolutely nothing when I attack you: D

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Sifu.6527:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

you must be playing a handicapped thief

thiefs have the highest mobility ingame
as well as the Highest dps
they arent the only medium armor users
can use combo fields to stealth indefinetly as long they do not hit an opponent
no cooldown stun breaker/teleport/shadowstep
steal boons
gain boons by stealing wich is also a shadowstep
Heal skills- i dont know what you’re talking about each heals for about 5k hp without traits nor gear buff not only that one of the heal evades cures cripple,chilled and immobilize another cures burn bleed and poison and stealths and the other heals per attack passively.

they dont have Direct boons because they have signets (signets got buffed up to 100% so they give 180 points instead of 90 now)

How cow batman! I see a 30/30/30/30/30 thief!

Yep like this kids with 30/30/30/30 Trait build

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/72662/gw004.jpg

was only done with 20/30/10/0/10

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/70788/gw001.jpg

holy shhhhh!
dat 3 signet thief must be an unkillable death machine!

you see thief is stronger than most think stealth is good but so is perma blinding. and teleporting

at least it shows im showing skill by not Relying on Stealth/backstab/heartseek spam unlike 90% thiefs

thats just one of my builds anyways.

Me signet warrior is stronged sorry =(

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Sifu.6527:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

you must be playing a handicapped thief

thiefs have the highest mobility ingame
as well as the Highest dps
they arent the only medium armor users
can use combo fields to stealth indefinetly as long they do not hit an opponent
no cooldown stun breaker/teleport/shadowstep
steal boons
gain boons by stealing wich is also a shadowstep
Heal skills- i dont know what you’re talking about each heals for about 5k hp without traits nor gear buff not only that one of the heal evades cures cripple,chilled and immobilize another cures burn bleed and poison and stealths and the other heals per attack passively.

they dont have Direct boons because they have signets (signets got buffed up to 100% so they give 180 points instead of 90 now)

How cow batman! I see a 30/30/30/30/30 thief!

Yep like this kids with 30/30/30/30 Trait build

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/72662/gw004.jpg

was only done with 20/30/10/0/10

And what are you trying to prove? The fact that you might stack using all the CD to just 3 sec? WoW

Do not be ridiculous

Sifu.6527:

Rezzet.3614:

Evilek.5690:

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

you must be playing a handicapped thief

thiefs have the highest mobility ingame
as well as the Highest dps
they arent the only medium armor users
can use combo fields to stealth indefinetly as long they do not hit an opponent
no cooldown stun breaker/teleport/shadowstep
steal boons
gain boons by stealing wich is also a shadowstep
Heal skills- i dont know what you’re talking about each heals for about 5k hp without traits nor gear buff not only that one of the heal evades cures cripple,chilled and immobilize another cures burn bleed and poison and stealths and the other heals per attack passively.

they dont have Direct boons because they have signets (signets got buffed up to 100% so they give 180 points instead of 90 now)

How cow batman! I see a 30/30/30/30/30 thief!

Yep like this kids with 30/30/30/30 Trait build

Edit:
To Rezzet.3614: “Shortbows hit multiple enemies even with auto attack up to 2k damage easily .”
Hmm 2k DMG autoattack ? 3.5k power ?

DeadlySynz.3471:

Master of Timespace.2548:

DeadlySynz.3471:

What some people don’t get (mainly the L2P crowd), is that when you join WvW, you generally don’t trait your class for sPvP play; if your smart, you’ve traited it for group play.

If your traited for group play, you less than ineffective at sPvP. Thieves don’t seem to have any effective builds built for group play due to having the following as another poster pointed out:

“Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)”

This forces thieves into sPvP which immediately puts anyone traited for group play at a severe disadvantage. This furthers the effect from the ability to enter and leave combat at will or reset the fight as many times as needed as so many have pointed out. Combined with the fact that the stealth is so effective, they can essentially go full zerker without any worries of ever dying.

Bottom line, thieves have nothing effective in group play and this really need to be adjusted. Their sPvP play needs to be brought down a couple of notches while their group effectiveness needs to be raised a couple of notches.

I’m well aware that classes like rangers, guardians, and warriors (if traited properly) could probably wipe the floor with thieves easily; but, you’ll rarely find them traited for this in WvW. If they are traited for sPvP in WvW, then their aren’t doing themselves, or their groups any favors.

Oh bull crap. I don’t want them to turn my thief into another #1 spamming warrior. Do realise that some people prefer roaming & harrassing over mindless blobbing, even when you do not.

Do you realize that most people (or small groups for that matter), don’t like that type of disadvantage in WvW? Sorry but that group outnumbers yours. As many have said before, you could just L2P when the time comes.

Too many people bringing to light the problems with the thief class. It’s going to be changed whether you like it or not.

What I think will happen, is some ranger pets are going to be able to just auto-detect stealth at all times (like they should). This could effectively ruin stealth as long as rangers are around. This to me the most likely change that’s going to happen, seeing as ranger pets need buffs and what’s more fitting than to have some pets just auto-detect stealth..

Question is, when that happens.. what are you going to do? L2P or QQ?

Rangers pets need boost ?
Of corse only 20k HP and 2-4.5k crit DMG is so weak =(

Blankverse.4927:

Evilek.5690:

Thief:
Weakest healing in the game

This was a joke, wasn’t it?

Ever heared of the Shadow’s Rejuvenation trait? It guarantees large hp regeneration everytime a thief uses stealth. The effect is: each stealth skill becomes a healing skill and since 95% of thieves use perma-stelath builds, most of them also theoretically can have perma-regeneration.
But hey, why am i writing this. The part about the weakest healing was supposed to be a joke for sure.

Thief:
423 heal per sec (in stealth) with full heal traits
Hide in Shadows Healing: 5,240 (1.0)? Regeneration: 4 s (520 health) 30 sec CD

Heal per one min 35860 ( thief must in stealth all time)

Guardian:

Virtue of Resolve: Passive Regeneration: Healing: 84 (0.06)? 60x 5040
Signet of Resolve: Healing: 8,150 (1.25)? 32 sec CD 2x 16300
Pure of Heart: Healing: 645 (0.1)? aegis CD 2x 1290
Virtue of Courage:Grants aegis every forty seconds. + activate
Selfless Daring: 325 per roll 6x 1950

Faithful Strike: every 2 sec Hit your foe with a final strike and heal nearby allies.
Damage: 470 Healing: 463 (0.18)? 20x 9290

Symbol of Faith:Smash a mystic symbol onto the ground that damages foes and regenerates allies. Damage: 168 4 Regeneration: 1 s (520 health)Radius: 120Duration: 4 s Combo Field: Light Range: 120 8sec CD 4x per onespell 2080 5x 10400

Heal Area: Healing: 1,000 Range: 1,200 15x 15000
Protective Spirit: Protection: 10 s Regeneration: 10 s (1300 health) Range: 1,200 1x 1300
Light of Deliverance: Fully heal up to five nearby allies 18500

Heal per one min 79070, 80% from this healing have AOE effect.

Ranger,Ele comming soon

Burnfall.9573:

Sin

As numerous times, many including myself had asked Mr.Robert Hrouda to post a territorial video’s of how to "shutting down thieves all the time who don’t use venoms, especially if you have something like healing spring and Lightning reflexes s(…)” thieves,.

And still to this day,

Nothing

As you already stated.

Have a nice fun

Ungood.3054:

Evilek.5690:

You are kidding ?

Thieves are expert in the shadow arts. They utilize stealth and shadowsteps to surprise and to get close to their target. They’re deadly in one-on-one combat using their agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies. They have an affinity for setting traps and using venom. As an adventurer profession, thieves wear medium armor.

I have no idea where you got this. This is the official Thief description:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/thief/

Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit.

Nothing there about being supposedly deadly in one to one combat.

Also. https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.

This right there means that Rangers should have a means to counter stealth via their pets/abilities/spirits, as that would be “Adapting to any situation”

Just putting that out there.

Firt time play this game

Sin.4130:

Evilek.5690:

Sin.4130:

@Evilek.5690
Main purpose is to kill your opponent, and here all chances should be equal. I m sure thief will be nerfed but ANet can’t learn from others in business and this will cost them lot.

This is not FPS or Singleplayer, this is MMO RPG

So way they are planning to put duels when thief is roaming master? I remember you felt so OP before our duel, probably by easy thief rides.

Our duel was a warrior vs. warrior, what has this to do with a thief?

Are you one of those players who can no stop complaining about the forum, but I’ve seen you in the game last week once

Sin.4130:

@Evilek.5690
Main purpose is to kill your opponent, and here all chances should be equal. I m sure thief will be nerfed but ANet can’t learn from others in business and this will cost them lot.

This is not FPS or Singleplayer, this is MMO RPG

Heibi.4251:

Zero Invulnerable Abilities: Hmm….while stealthed cannot be target by direct fire weapons even if you’re standing 1mm in front of an engineers shotgun blast.
Zero boons: Who cares?

Joke of the day. Engineer with zero CD on swap weapon say this drivel ?

Of course, the engineer has no aoe skills L2P problem is detected

Rezzet.3614:

buttski.6135:

Rezzet.3614:

look at pvp all you see is heartseek spamming noobs .

why are you whining then? who’s the worse noob? the guy spamming hss or the one getting killed by it?

Rezzet.3614:

yeah i forgot we have infinite dodge rolls

/sarcasm

learn to time dodges then. i know, running to the forums crying ‘op’ is easier.

my point is a traited thief wont lose all their initiative by spamming heartseeker

also it is just as ignorant to defend an op clas telling everyone else its their fault and to l2p

OP class

OP=underpowered or what ?

Thief:

Weakest healing in the game
Least health pool
Medium armor
Zero boons abilities
Zero invulnerable abilities
Middle mobility
Middle DPS
1-3 support abilities (two make only stealth,one block projectile)
OP F1 abilities /sarcasm
OP Utility slot skills /sarcasm

3x stealth abilities-1x weapon slot skill 2x utilities slot.

Yeah Thiefs Are OP !!!!

Sin.4130:

I puted videos, even in linked thread is a vid where thief kills on few shots, so tell that guy to stuck his bunker ranger you know where…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFnbuHbc774

600 steps in this thread overall by 10 people. Spamming more thanks

Hmm 2x warrior with basic trait and gear ?

What’s the point of this video?

I don’t understand
Retrain:
1) Go on your trener and click on him
2)Click on " I’d like to retrain my traits.
3)Click i’ll pay……

Ungood.3054:

Master of Timespace.2548:

A good thief will always shadowstep and disengage. So it will be a draw.

Breaking aggro is considered a loss in duels. It also makes everyone in the fight club laugh at you.

“Fight Club?” Who cares about fight club. That’s not WvW, that’s some group of people sitting at the windmill doing anything but WvW. and not in any way indictive of how a class functions on in real combat.

Welcome to WvW, on the real open field battles and skirmishes, disengaging is a draw, as it allows you to return to fight again, and a thief, thanks to stealth, gets to pick how the encounter starts and when it ends.

Also, “Fight Club” means you know it’s it’s coming and what you are facing, In Real WvW you have no idea if, when, where, or by what, you are going to get hit. That is why a Thief being able to strike from invsi means you get zero warning of anything coming at all, and end up literally taking massive damage out of nowhere.

No wonder people think they do good against thieves if their only understanding of encountering them is in “Fight Club”

This is absolutely funniest post in this thread
Thank you for the smile on my face

nakirats.9376:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcF2DWc9XVk

no komment.

Next time dont buy 2x unique items

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unique

You have to wait until the circle disappears. +- 4 sec

Heibi.4251:

Also, if they happen to be in the way of direct fire weapon or attack, it SHOULD hit them. They aren’t vapor.

First time go on gw2 wiki and learn mechanisms of this game, because all attacks hurt Thief in stealth and you say there’s only mystification

Black Teagan.9215:

Your ideas sounds good but I would add follow things to you list:

Increase Revelation Debuff to 5 Sec; Increase Base sthealth time to 5 Sec, give the thief the baseHP from the engi/ranger/mesmer;
increase base dmg on single target weapon by 75%-100% ; reduce backstab to +50% instead +100%
Reduce Steal-CD on 30 sec

Not sure about this: Reduce Ini-Regeneration Time to 1,35 -1,5 sec

Revelation Debuff 5 sec and reduce Backstab dmg 50% ?? You must kidding.

And int regen loool

Deniara Devious.3948:

Thus thieves have an unfair advantage.

I am a warrior i have twice more health than Thief,better armor,better mobility,better sustain abilities but Thief have stealth !!! This is unfair !!! /sarcasm.

SilverWF.4789:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Wait wait wait. Did you just now say that Warriors and Rangers are OP? Where does it all end???

Wow, aren’t they?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI7ouz1xt9E

How it can be possible? Just ONE poor underbalansed Ranger versus THREE enemies, 2 of them – OMG thieves!!!1111oneleven
And look at the titles – he playing Ranger FIRST time! ><

Stop crying guys and learn to play with your classes, ok?

Sin.4130:

@ dzeRnumbrd.6129
But problem is that thief has decent dmg +insane survivability + kitten god skills in one build, this is what we talk about. See my linked videos if you are thinking this is normal, someone should go out of his shadows and try other class then you would see that is just impossible to achieve and insane.

Look at video above and remember about Elems too.

Ranger must be OP !!! Oh wait all class is OP in good hands.
Waving on tiny hunters

Gothir.3604:

Sword/pistol with a little initiative regen.

Black powder basically makes you immune to the guards if you group them up first.

Yep S/P is best on killing guards/camp etc.

Sin.4130:

@Evilek.5690

Tell ppl who won that duel to 0;)

Iam so low warrior but GF =)

Sin.4130:

@Jacklo.4230
Look here how easy thief can solo group:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACOxV5CA52w

Hi Sin for two days I waiting for you until you come to ours duel.
But apparently you do not have time to play beacose you spam this forum

For all those trolls
First time go in game and play Before crying here on the forum.

Best regards Oupí immortal guardian

Sifu.6527:

Lightsbane.9012:

the shadow return on infiltrators strike has at least twice the range it says in the tooltip, is this a bug?

3 – The daze is 2 second but with the para sigil, it is increased to 3 second even though it is only a 15% increase.

All stun,daze,fear etc effect rounded up

Stun effect: 1 sec +15% signet = 2 sec beacose 1.15 —> 2 sec
1 sec +15% signet + 33% runes = 2 sec beacose 1.48 --> 2sec
In the case that we will have increase stun duration on 99% = 1 sec +99% = 2 sec beacose 1.99 —> 2 sec. but 101% increase stun druation increase the stun on 3 sec beacose 2.1 --> 3sec

To Burnfall.9573 dont worry this troll Mr Gab Superstar.4059 has zero gameplay in sPvP turnaments .And thanks to his extensive experience from PvP /sarcasm He say here Who is Gold class

Gab Superstar.4059:

Burnfall.9573:

Sin,

I totally agree and many players agree as well.

The only one who don’t agree are the Golden Child class; ThiekittenAs the saying goes, “Liars will always say they’re telling the truth”, that’s the thief.

The only ones who can nerf The Golden Child Class is by having new dev team who don’t practice Favoritism.

Until than.

we’re all Kitten cause the ones we have now are All In Favor this class.

In addition to this so called “Anti-Stealth Trap”

Is a totally joke, why? well ask yourself this, “do you really think a thief will actually run away once the trap is activated and leave you alone”?

Of course not!

All it takes for them is to wait outside of the “anti-stealth area” and once 30 seconds elapses; they will activate their stealth kill mode to Eliminate us.

So as Always,

As Always,

The Joke Is On Us

And will continue to be until we have a new team put in place who doesn’t practice or believes in Favoritism.

Let me guess.

You never played thief.

He never played GW 2: D

Arenanet make this “issues” beacose old stealth break agro after use stealth abilities CaD etc = Enemy mob hit “evade” after use of stealth skills and recovered for full hp.

New stealth is 300x better.

Bolt is buged as hell. 2x Bolt animation after attack

Sin.4130:

buttski.6135:

Sin.4130:

buttski.6135:

Sin.4130:

Evilek.5690:

Sin.4130:

1 vs 1 can show proper balance in game, that’s what I meant, and Of course it is very important for some players. There are many unofficial fight clubs in gw2 already.
Look at this video, good thief can mess a lot not only in 1 vs1 or 1 vs x …, it is like god mode. We can’t pretend that we don’t see it:
http://youtu.be/Q0QtQ1sotHo

Show some videos about dueling thieves in WvW, then we can talk serious again.

Of course we see zombie zerg with no brain

Mostly commanders are good players, when they die by thief like that it can decrease morale of all group. That’s why probably commander left this mini zerg.

Most of squad members don’t know game enough to know this thief god mode, this is another reason to nerf it.

this commander and his whole zerg were terrible and absolutely not good players. maybe you fail to see this because you’re just a bad pvp’er aswell.

pvp shouldnt be balanced around the bottom 20% (pvp skills). and those are the ones crying for nerfs and complaining the whole time.

If you are so pro pvp player do that with any other class even against that amount of bots instead of real players, i m waiting for video, lol

look em up yourself. i don’t have to proove anything.

i eat thieves for breakfast with my necro. if i lose to one, he was better than me, that’s it. and yes, i 1vX vs groups. 90% of the wvwvw pvp’ers are just bad.

ofc you can try to improve or run to the forums and whine about anything. we can see your decision.

Show some videos about this dueling thieves, then we can talk seriously again.

Show me video loool.

Come to the game and show me your skill . I pew you with all me characters. MR “Show me video”

BTW Fraps is ready.Or do you fear?

vonhellsing.2819:

Sorry but i have a nice pc core i7, 32gb ram, 3 video cards nvidia 500 series, ssd and lag in GW2 are insane. I belive thats this game dont use Nvidia Technologies right, GPU GUYS GPU no CPU processing.

Me Intel i5 2500k Ati Radeon HD 7850,16gb ddr3 ,8 years old hdd

1920×1080 Best Appearance setting.

LA:45min-120max FPS
Other location 70+ FPS
WvWvW 70+ in 70+ man zerg FPS drop on 35+

All with standard CPU takt 3.6 Ghz,with OC CPU on 4.5Ghz is me FPS in 70+ man zergs on 55+

Sin.4130:

buttski.6135:

Sin.4130:

Evilek.5690:

Sin.4130:

1 vs 1 can show proper balance in game, that’s what I meant, and Of course it is very important for some players. There are many unofficial fight clubs in gw2 already.
Look at this video, good thief can mess a lot not only in 1 vs1 or 1 vs x …, it is like god mode. We can’t pretend that we don’t see it:
http://youtu.be/Q0QtQ1sotHo

Of course we see zombie zerg with no brain

Mostly commanders are good players, when they die by thief like that it can decrease morale of all group. That’s why probably commander left this mini zerg.

Most of squad members don’t know game enough to know this thief god mode, this is another reason to nerf it.

this commander and his whole zerg were terrible and absolutely not good players. maybe you fail to see this because you’re just a bad pvp’er aswell.

pvp shouldnt be balanced around the bottom 20% (pvp skills). and those are the ones crying for nerfs and complaining the whole time.

If you are so pro pvp player do that with any other class even against that amount of bots instead of real players, i m waiting for video, lol

, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTnXeZslKs , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF8DFS1ieKg , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-Vw2MigBNQ

For two minutes searching on Youtube
BTW THIEF IS SO OP !!!! /sarcasm

Sin.4130:

1 vs 1 can show proper balance in game, that’s what I meant, and Of course it is very important for some players. There are many unofficial fight clubs in gw2 already.
Look at this video, good thief can mess a lot not only in 1 vs1 or 1 vs x …, it is like god mode. We can’t pretend that we don’t see it:
http://youtu.be/Q0QtQ1sotHo

Of course we see zombie zerg with no brain

lynspottery.6529:

I only noticed the little loot bags when I happen to run over one and the “search” popped up. I have no idea how many I actually missed before hand as I was not looking for them.

I was pretty disappointed that none of the bodies I “looted” actually gave me anything. If I was to pick up those little loot bags after defeating my adversaries, they need to be more visible.

Push left CTRL

I wish you a nice day

Buy better PC = FIx