so thiefs say they got nerfed bad hmm lets see what it takes to kill people :
sword/pistol- #2 shadowstep-#3 9xhits(i hit for 9ks with only 62% crit)-#5-#3-#2-#2-#5-#3-#5-#3.
yup thief definetly is a hard to play class lol.
Thief vs Warrior dmg.
7719 vs 15743
ProTip: If you are going to compare something make it on equal standards no kitten the warrior did more damage he was buffed to oblivion and the thief wasnt.
i ll go do this next Buffed Thief test and post screens of damage myself
also you missed my point No Cooldown on thief #2 is a shadowstep/teleport away skill
# 3 does massive damage and has no cooldown
5 Perma blind so that warrior wont even tickle a thief.
Hundred Blades 8 sec CD Pistol Wip 6.65 sec CD WoW
Thief using the maximum 1x shadow step and 2x Pistol Wip(15438 DMG) =One Hundred Blades(15743 DMG) and what now ? Zero initiative and Thief can not use any other spells.
so thiefs say they got nerfed bad hmm lets see what it takes to kill people :
sword/pistol- #2 shadowstep-#3 9xhits(i hit for 9ks with only 62% crit)-#5-#3-#2-#2-#5-#3-#5-#3.
yup thief definetly is a hard to play class lol.
Thief vs Warrior dmg.
7719 vs 15743
ProTip: If you are going to compare something make it on equal standards no kitten the warrior did more damage he was buffed to oblivion and the thief wasnt.
i ll go do this next Buffed Thief test and post screens of damage myself
also you missed my point No Cooldown on thief #2 is a shadowstep/teleport away skill
# 3 does massive damage and has no cooldown
5 Perma blind so that warrior wont even tickle a thief.
Hundred Blades 8 sec CD Pistol Wip 6.65 sec CD WoW
Thief using the maximum 1x shadow step and 2x Pistol Wip(15438 DMG) =One Hundred Blades(15743 DMG) and what now ? Zero initiative and Thief can not use any other spells.
here is my thing. i didnt care about thieves when i still had my confusion, as i could use the thief’s button spamming against him.I used to have pretty epic duels with them even though i wouldnt deal direct dmg due to the glam spec. i felt even with them as confusion was a great counter to thieves, but with the nerf amd destruction of confusion and the rebuff of the revealed, madeit very very hard for me to fight them.
I don’t think thieves need major nerfs and do not wish to any other class to have to go through what mesmers had to with last patch, so solution here would be something to counter the permastealth or something to alllow us to still target them.
This is joke ? Old WvWvW confusion was broken, you as the engineer apply on target 12 confision during 3 sec.
1355 condition dmg (old confusion 4000 dmg per one action new confusion 2780 dmg).
2050 condition dmg (old confusion 5250 dmg new confusion 3405 dmg)
This game is already over 8 months old and it truly amazes me that the developers haven’t addressed this problem, which has generated more complaints than anything else!
Tell me what you want from developers ? Problem will probably not be in the game itself but in your skill.
Thieves are the biggest problem in WvW right now. Still way overpowered 1v1, so everyone joins the zerg. There is hardly any small group action anymore because anybody that leaves the blob gets facerolled by thieves.
Easy to fix.
*First time make lvl80
*Secondly buy exotic gear (no pony Berserker)
*Thirdly learn to play your class and know your enemy
*Fourth use 1v1 build no “zerg zombie build”
Shadow Refuge is THE skill to reset a fight entirely.. I cannot express how much I hate this skill lol. I am a thief and I literally never touch this, such a disgusting OP skill.
Shadow Refuge is used in 90% to escape when you have a little life.Thief kicked out of the ring works in 95% of cases (warrior/guardian hammer, enginer shield/bombs,mesmer greate sword, etc.) or use autoattack/aoe with your weapon
Rogues in wow for example have vanish (2 min cd) and preparation (5min). If they mess up their initiation, they have to blow a big cd to reset.
This is joke ? Rogue in WoW has 10x better stealth and control.
Cheap shot(4sec stun)—> Mutilate—>Mutilate—>Kdiney shot (6sec stun on this combo only 3 beacose DR)—>Mutilate—>Mutilate—>Blind(disoriented 10sec)—>8 sec latter out of combat—>restealth and this combo again and again
Thieves will probably get buffed because ANET doesn’t care about T8 and balances with only T1 in mind.
Probably around 50% of roamers are thieves.
Go in WvWvW use Fraps and show me your 50% Thieves. I am in four guild (2x pvp guilds with150+ online players) Thieves are barely 5% of the population of this guilds.
But of course you’re right WvWvW is full of Thiefs sarcasm
That “they can fully regenerate in few seconds because stealth remove agression from them” made my day.
Maybe it doesn’t drop aggro, but you can go into stealth when you’re really low on HP and become visible on full health (or close to it), don’t even deny that. I didn’t do that on my thief, but I sure as hell witnessed it more than once.
Beacose glass cannon have 10.8k HP and Hide in Shadow heal Thief for 5.6k + 700 regen and Trait Shadow’s Rejuvenation 380 hp per one sec in stealth = 7440 HP = 68% Thief max health
I’ve come here immediately after experiencing this thief in WvW popping in and out of stealth during combat so quickly he couldn’t of been visable for more than a second. Is this working as intended?
People were commenting on it as he zipped around a ground of abotu 20 of us. we finally managed to snare him thanks to an automated turret and AoE the space where we imagined him to be (he had restealthed again) It took forever to take him out after he destroyed one of our siege weapons.
I thought once you attacked you had a 3 second reveal debuff placed on you. I am wrong?
Click ESC/Options/Graphics Options/WvWvW Character Limit change from Lowest to Highest.
Or he re-stealth after stealth = zero time to next stealth and only trolling you
BTW 20 people hunt one Thief like a noobs is stupid
On the first picture everything is normal but on picture two is bad grasp the sword when moving(this problem is on all one hand weapons dagger/sword etc) and on picture three is sword after attack(double sword animation for two seconds),
On the first picture everything is normal but on picture two is bad grasp the sword when moving(this problem is on all one hand weapons dagger/sword etc) and on picture three is sword after attack(double sword animation for two seconds),
Judging by anet’s typical solutions, it’s more likely that they’ll just nerf sword autoattack damage by 30%, not fixing the daze spam “problem” while also crippling PvE thieves and S/P thieves for no reason.
Daze spam problem ? Probably playing a completely different class because daze spam on Thief is impossible maybe vs AFK players or NPC =)
The average damage I get with mug is 3-6k instant. That seems very strong to me. I recently decided to try it out earlier; and even though I lack runes of the scholar (+10% damage, 5 ascended pieces, and 25 bloodlust sigils, I managed to pull some high numbers) I even had a 13.4k mug screenshot but lost it when I formatted my computer.
I recently read a mug compilation suggestion thread that posted some great ideas about how they can buff our mug since it cannot crit no more; some great ideas were posted. None the less; here are just two pictures.
EDIT: I’m sure if someone uses a burst build w/ scholar runes, 25 bloodlust sigils, proper damage food, a 15k+ steal can be achieved.
Hehehe Warrior with Frenzy and Enginer with http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elixir_U +50% DMG. I hitt Warrior witch Frenzy for 8k with me autoattack. Next time use brain and stop post this crap beacose this damage is impossible vs 80 lvl players without Frenzy.
Whaaat? Someone abusing broken class mechanics? Truly an inspiring video to watch. If only the warrior had a teleport hack..err..‘multiple shadowsteps’.
Sword thieves -or any thief- should try playing other classes where they don’t have multiple get out of jail cards. I suggest a mesmer. An easy transition for someone who relies on the class to win.
You should post it on other game forums so they can laugh as much as I do at the balanced thief class. Kudos to the class Dev team and the player.
Pokemon is the game for you man. This Warrior hiting this Thief with toughness gear for 50-60% HP. This Thief without these defensive skills would be dead in five seconds.
Think next time before you write such crap
Absolutely true. Me main is Thief with 1.6k play time and I can say " He is totally underpower. He has low heal pool,any one defense utility ala (Mesmer F3, Warrior enduarnce pain pasive+active, Elementalist mist form,shield etc )
I will wait for another Thief nerfs and reroll to another class maybe OP guardian,ele or enginer beacose play for underpower Thief and kill only under level player or just run away from 80lvl other classes(guardian,ele,enginer, maybe warrior and mesmer) is not funny.
Seriously A-net – I set all the graphics settings during WvWvW to the lowest possible, and STILL the amount of Lag you get in big Zerg fights, or anything over 10 players or so, is just ridiculous.
Based on this part of your statement you clearly need a better computer.
Problem on WvWvW is not low FPS but “SPELL LAG” in this situation is imposible beat greater number of enemies beacose works only auto attacks -> larger zerg wins
In WvW, I find S/D pretty decent. Ive run it 90% of the time for hte last 2 months.
Spec 10/30/30/0/0
Bersker armor + divinities (rubys worked too)
Sigil of paralyzation (3 second daze)
Sigil of Rage (haste) + traited for haste on crit.
Alt weaponset with 2 x sigil of perception, builds stacks very quick
Tactikal strike has 1.5s daze and Sigil of paralyzation increase STUN duration no DAZE.
Hey, so what I’m wondering is whether it’s a simple matter of transmuting a chosen mask and the Thief default hood in order to get the appearance of the character below, as that is what he did, by combining the look of both the Hood and Mask into one headpiece.
I’ve tried the solution laid out in other threads as to how to get the Hood to become Account Bound, but I’m not sure whether the Hood and Mask combined into one or whether only the Hood’s appearance was saved, since I cannot wear it yet, my alt being too low level, and the preview only shows the Hood.
That my friends would return to the game and play it for more than a couple hours only to quit again. Oh and perhaps some adjustments to burst damage so it’s not so high right at the start of engaging an opponent. Maybe some balancing to bunkers, a few different game modes for sPvP, point systems readjusted slightly for current sPvP content.
*it’s not fun to play against (the biggest issue because if it’s not fun for both players then it’s not worth two kittens.)
*has the best survivability, burst, and condition
*doesn’t need to sacrafice damage/precision for toughness/vitality to stay alive like other classes
*access to massive exploits via inf arrow
*no cooldowns
*stealth/healing/ini regen bunched together on multiple skills/utilities
*easy instagib combos commonly tied to macros
*deals damage in stealth
*thieves guild+stealth
*free op skills designed to specifically counter the class stolen from
Good story.
First time go play for Thief (more than 300 hours) and then to write on this forum
I don’t see why this class has a completely different mechanic to all others, the initiative system. Why erase CD’s for one class? surely it’d be hard to balance a class that has spammable skills.
Every single one of the things above is a must have on a utility or is on a weapon skill with a CD for every other class.
Infinity initiative ? 90% of the people who write here have absolutely no idea how the thief works.
I have a thief, I know how it works. with a condition p/d set you can use cnd constantly after the revealed buff is lifted. what other class gets to use there 5 skill that often? none.
Each class you can use TEN skill in a row,Elementalis 20+ skills,Enginer 20+ skills,but only THIEF use 2-4 skills and his initiative is ZERO—→ CD on all skills.
I don’t see why this class has a completely different mechanic to all others, the initiative system. Why erase CD’s for one class? surely it’d be hard to balance a class that has spammable skills.
To XII.9401
9 hits in to you under one sec ??? He must be a Chuck Norris
And next time post all combat log,beacose i se “Bulls Charge”—>Frenzy—>100b= Thief down.
9 hits in to you under one sec ??? He must be a Chuck Norris
BTW next time post all combat log,beacose i se “Bulls Charge”—>Frenzy—>100b= Thief down.
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Thanks Savints for that link which is also posted by Wild Bill in the thief forums under Yippie Kaye Yae or whatever.
If you want to see how perfected this Carrion build can be using the skill of the player with no stealth utilities check out Savints link above, the infamous Wild Bill. Now imagine throwing stealthing utilities in the mix….hmmmm…. If you do this then you have one of my builds. Even more of a headache. Again a perfect soloing to small group build…. nothing more. But is this build too overpowering?!?!
I dont see any special on this movie.He killing from 98% noobs(first fight two noobs Thief spaming HS) or down lvl players.
This build has a miserable DMG and it is easily countered.
Question for arena net:
WHY thief is not good for dungeons ?
i always heard that the best party is 5 guardians (you can literately go afk on bosses) , OR 2 necro, 2 guardian and 1 mesmer
guys, wtf ???
if the boss just spits toward us, we die…
Not good ???? Man first time 1, do not use noobs Berserger gear 2, L2P your class 3, use defense skills
BTW: “guys, wtf ???
if the boss just spits toward us, we die…” next time use dodge =)
So been running fractals as of late and starting from Fractal 12+ The run is starting to get on my thief. Running a complete Berserker Gear, Full Ruby Orichalcum Accessories. My thief is literally just out for damage at the moment with HP of 12,805.
Traits are 0/30/0/20/20.
By far I can dodge, but I can’t dodge everything when I run out endurance and same goes with agony (no anti-agony items as of yet). Can anyone recommend a build for thieves to run better in Fractals with still a good damage and same goes a little bit of a bonus in HP and what traits and gear should I get.
With Berserker gear 10/20/0/15/25 or 10/0/0/30/30 with new Karkas gear. Works on lvl 30+
45 Seconds isn’t that long to be honest. As an elementalist that’s how long all of my utility skills CD are which I need at least one of those up when fighting in a zerg vs zerg fight (people tend to target ele’s which is understandable since I like getting in the middle of the combat and doing aoes than escaping).
What I purpose is a CD between the skills themselves. The thief shouldn’t have been able to face roll on the keyboard and dish out 16k+ damage in less than a second. I think it should be how an elemenatlist is with attunement swaps. He can’t swap attunements for a second or two after he just swapped. So add a 1 second or .5 second delay between those skills.
I could careless about the damage itself. It’s the fact it was dealt in less than a second giving no time to react. Full health to empty health in a blink of an eye is ridiculous.
I have killed plenty of thiefs but definitely watch out for them more than any other class.
Also, why do you think people complain about thiefs so much? I hear it a lot in map chat and guild chat. I never hear, “man that warrior was OP” or “oh great that stupid warrior again”. It’s always “theres that thief again!” You can’t just keep using the excuse “well they are noobs and don’t know how to counter thiefs.” If a huge majority of the people are complaining than there is obviously a problem.
I wish people said elementalist were OP. But as it stands, we have to cycle through 16+ key strokes to deal the damage that thief did to me in less than a second. But that’s what makes elementalist fun and a challenge.
Man 16k+ damage in less than a second is imposible =) BS combo time with CaD+mug+ backstab approximately the 2 sec+,heart seeker 0,5sec not less than a second
Obviously, my build is NOT a glass cannon and there are no lies to be told here. It is a bunker build hence all my gear specing towards toughness, vitality, and healing. Also, take a close look at my utility skills. Cleansing Fire, Mist Form, and Lightning Flash. All three are stun breaks/condition removals/escapes. Bunker built.
Yes, I could put 30 points into Earth for +30 extra toughness along with changing my sockets into more vitality and toughness which is REQUIRED to counter this thief? Think before you speak. That shouldn’t be the case. An elementalist shouldn’t have to roll a SINGLE spec in order to kill one class. That is the definition of unbalanced.
And again, for this whole “you should react when you see you take damage or about it”. Culling issues = thief wasn’t even VISIBLE at the time! AND I didn’t even get the chance to react when your health goes from full to empty in less than a second! “You deserve to die if you stuck around.” READ THE POST! I was running around an enemy zerg to get to my zerg. I even RTL’d along with perma swiftness to run faster. There was no “sticking around”.
So this whole “should have obviously dodged”. Dodge what? Dodge randomly where nobody enemies are around? Who does that?
Also, my computer specs for those who think I am lying about that too /rollseyes.
As I wrote the post above
My bad I forgot attributed (5% dmg on weapon,20% dmg on pasive traits and +5% dmg on daggers trait)
On your armor is Backstab critikal DMG +- 7436 with full glass cannon build/gear but one per 45 sec =)
Not interesting
. But as it stands, we have to cycle through 16+ key strokes to deal the damage that thief did to me in less than a second. But that’s what makes elementalist fun and a challenge