I see almost no thieves having 30 points in deadly arts, not even for PvE. Reason is both grandmasters traits for DA are very underpowered.
It should have its duration increased or cooldown lowered to make it worthy of being a grandmasters trait. Alternatively, change it to be a stun instead. Considering that a warrior can have 50%+ stun uptime, so even a 4s stun every 30 seconds is FAR from being OP.
Noone can be that stupid, so yea it’s really a nerf topic disguised as a suggestion topic.
Now I know apparently the S/D thief is quite high up in the tiers recently for tPvP (based on popular opinion), usually A or S tier (especially since we were B or C tier recently and haven’t gotten any relevant buffs since), but I can’t figure out why exactly. Larcenous strike can be easily dodged and it’s slow, FS/LS can’t be spammed like before, removing mass condis requires landing CND which can be dodged easily as well, the thief is squishy as hell and pretty much has to use a zerk amulet to do any damage. It’s just not very good in the current condi meta imo.
Really? i mean.. really? My intentions is not to try and grind thief to the bottom cause im having trouble with them, i am trying to be constructive and change the ability rather than nerf it. please respond accordingly and stop infecting the forums
Really. 3x LS in row is hard paming lol. Beafore nerf LS 4x in row and after your “change” only 2x
you can only use it 2x right now without investing heavily into acrobatics which is hardly spamming – after “change” only 1×. besides if you use it 2x, you’ll have no more initiative to stealth leaving the thief extremely vulnerable.
unlike warrior mace’s skullcrack which has 50%+ stun uptime, it has a unique animation and it’s very slow allowing for easy dodge. so it’s pretty much a L2P issue if someone doesn’t want to dodge the LS.
Really? i mean.. really? My intentions is not to try and grind thief to the bottom cause im having trouble with them, i am trying to be constructive and change the ability rather than nerf it. please respond accordingly and stop infecting the forums
you’re nerfing it…please go back to the elementalist forums. this skill was already nerfed in a previous patch increasing the initiative cost by 1.
Picking up supply is now instant.
Gains swiftness when the entire supply is spent.
Gains courier speed and increases movement speed by 50% after picking up supply.
Gains a chance to recover some supply after it’s spent.
Deployed siege sites gain 3 seconds of invulnerability.
Doesn’t really matter if it’s fixing a bug, it’s still a nerf.
Along the same line of reasoning, if they fixed the shadow step pathing, even though that’s just fixing a bug, I’d personally consider that a HUUUUUGE buff.
Now can you please apologize to our community for spamming our forums for the last few days?
Aren’t we getting a bit ahead of ourselves here?
If it turns out I’m right, and it’s indeed it is OP, will I be receiving an apology from the warrior forum? Dwell on that a bit and then you’ll see why it’s unreasonable to expect an apology from me.
The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased group of players in any MMO I have ever played.
I hate people who just take posts out of context.
1) I didn’t need to know much about warriors as I killed the vast majority of them. Only after this patch, I struggled a bit but now I know quite a bit about warriors and have been winning.
2) That was a dated post. I don’t spam flanking strike anymore since it’s not as effective anymore since people are learning how to dodge larcenous strike. And it was a roundabout way of saying that I wasn’t as good as jumper. Just saying that at the time, spamming flanking strike was effective…which it’s no longer effective.
If you look at jumper videos, you can see he’s quite good at the game…he’s obviously at a level I will never reach as I’m not a competitive player…I’m quite casual. However, I’m pretty good at the game now and still getting better.
The post where you said you didn’t know anything about warriors was dated as two days before you started crying on our forums. It was already linked multiple times in that big thread.
Obviously you see how much I’ve been posting on the warrior forum. You can accumulate knowledge quite fast if you put your mind towards it.
So in other words, you admit it was your lack of knowledge of the warrior class and not that the build was overpowered all along?
Well obviously knowing what counters the build will help me to beat one, but you can’t deny it’s a very complete package build. I can admit that I still need more time to render a verdict on this build, but I wouldn’t be suprised to see it nerfed with next patch. Look how many complaints from different classes, I would honestly expect to see a nerf on healing signet if nothing else.
Yeah, the whole 6-7 posters that keep spamming in the same threads are some major heat on Anet. Sure it is getting nerfed A.S.A.P. Guess what, I use healing surge and regularly spank warriors using healing signet. If it is so powerful, how come they aren’t killing me? I even killed quite a few of them with M/Sh H and LB S/Sh, can you explain why they aren’t face-rolling me? If a warrior you doesn’t even have access to poison can beat them, certainly a class with poison should have no problem.
My build doesn’t have that much uptime on poison but it’s only -33% healing effectiveness anyways. I don’t know it seems to be at least 10 people who have complained by now. I was one of the main ones sure. Either way, ANET will be the one to decide. They have been doing quite a good job balancing thus far, I will just trust ANET’s judgement on this one…
Who knows, maybe your build is strong against those type of warriors? Healing signet appears to be too good for a passive.
The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased group of players in any MMO I have ever played.
I hate people who just take posts out of context.
1) I didn’t need to know much about warriors as I killed the vast majority of them. Only after this patch, I struggled a bit but now I know quite a bit about warriors and have been winning.
2) That was a dated post. I don’t spam flanking strike anymore since it’s not as effective anymore since people are learning how to dodge larcenous strike. And it was a roundabout way of saying that I wasn’t as good as jumper. Just saying that at the time, spamming flanking strike was effective…which it’s no longer effective.
If you look at jumper videos, you can see he’s quite good at the game…he’s obviously at a level I will never reach as I’m not a competitive player…I’m quite casual. However, I’m pretty good at the game now and still getting better.
The post where you said you didn’t know anything about warriors was dated as two days before you started crying on our forums. It was already linked multiple times in that big thread.
Obviously you see how much I’ve been posting on the warrior forum. You can accumulate knowledge quite fast if you put your mind towards it.
So in other words, you admit it was your lack of knowledge of the warrior class and not that the build was overpowered all along?
Well obviously knowing what counters the build will help me to beat one, but you can’t deny it’s a very complete package build. I can admit that I still need more time to render a verdict on this build, but I wouldn’t be suprised to see it nerfed with next patch. Look how many complaints from different classes, I would honestly expect to see a nerf on healing signet if nothing else.
The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased group of players in any MMO I have ever played.
I hate people who just take posts out of context.
1) I didn’t need to know much about warriors as I killed the vast majority of them. Only after this patch, I struggled a bit but now I know quite a bit about warriors and have been winning.
2) That was a dated post. I don’t spam flanking strike anymore since it’s not as effective anymore since people are learning how to dodge larcenous strike. And it was a roundabout way of saying that I wasn’t as good as jumper. Just saying that at the time, spamming flanking strike was effective…which it’s no longer effective.
If you look at jumper videos, you can see he’s quite good at the game…he’s obviously at a level I will never reach as I’m not a competitive player…I’m quite casual. However, I’m pretty good at the game now and still getting better.
The post where you said you didn’t know anything about warriors was dated as two days before you started crying on our forums. It was already linked multiple times in that big thread.
Obviously you see how much I’ve been posting on the warrior forum. You can accumulate knowledge quite fast if you put your mind towards it.
The amount of OP claims have possibly surpassed even the old Ele D/D build debate.
They really haven’t. It’s just the same 6-7 players who come into only our forums saying exactly the same thing over and over in every thread. They don’t post it in sPvP or WvW forums because then they can’t use their argument that warriors are just defending an overpowered build and are all bad players looking to hang on to an overpowered build.
There is no compromise needed because the build is fine as is.
You forgot to say its the same 6-7 players who are willing to lay down facts while taking abuse from 100s of biased warriors like yourself. These ARE called Warrior forums after all, are they not?
Except at least two of them are WvW S/D thieves, one who admits he doesn’t know anything about fighting warriors and isn’t very good at the game.
Also, just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are biased. As a matter of fact, I would say the warrior community is one of the least biased group of players in any MMO I have ever played.
I hate people who just take posts out of context.
1) I didn’t need to know much about warriors as I killed the vast majority of them. Only after this patch, I struggled a bit but now I know quite a bit about warriors and have been winning.
2) That was a dated post. I don’t spam flanking strike anymore since it’s not as effective anymore since people are learning how to dodge larcenous strike. And it was a roundabout way of saying that I wasn’t as good as jumper. Just saying that at the time, spamming flanking strike was effective…which it’s no longer effective.
If you look at jumper videos, you can see he’s quite good at the game…he’s obviously at a level I will never reach as I’m not a competitive player…I’m quite casual. However, I’m pretty good at the game now and still getting better.
I think what the others are trying to say is that we are not against dying to good warriors, but not noobs who just happened to squeeze out a win due to being carried by their class. We want to feel like we got outplayed when we lose.
And currently, we don’t feel like we got outplayed, just lost to cheesy op mechanics.
Also, to the other S/D thief…try some +condi duration food. Having some success overall vs other warriors with that. And make sure to use shadow return when you get stunned/kb and don’t use it immediately either. Make sure to save the stunbreaker until you’re sure you’re about to get 100b’d and there are no other options.
Look lets cut the BS you can go back in post history for months and see multiple topics for many of us on multiple classes. Fact is half the time people try to say we are wrong due to this but half of us who play multiple of toons and many hours know more about the game and its balancing. I am sorry to say this but it is true. There is no hard counter to this save stability (which isn’t easy to gt access too on other classes and wont break stun) and even then this build is hard to burn down due to blocks.
Now listen close before the go nerfing our mobility and all the other builds over a trait and a skill. Revert or nerf skull crack make it 2 seconds max or make it a daze and increase it to 4 seconds. Unsuspecting foe should be moved up a tier. That skill is too good for an adept trait. And lets stop pretending that most of you aren’t FOTM players. How long have we been begging for buffs and asking about nerfs to other classes. This hypocrisy is kittening stupid. It is literally OP. Like DD ele before it, 100 nades, D/P S/D thief (still need a hell of a lot of balancing), BM ranger, on and on. Somethings are OP and this is one of them. Before they go burning the house down as complaints mount and we end up in a kittenty situation again go take your favorite build and fight someone who is good with it. Then play it yourself and see how much work you have to put in to get a win. That’s what I did. I haven’t kittened about this build for a month because I have been playing It and it is most definitely OP.
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What I really do not get is why is the community that has always been number one at really getting class balance so blind right now? Do you really want your easy wins that bad? Then you should have gone over to thief months ago.
Thank you.
I have a lot of respect for unbiased warriors who can realize the OPness of the build.
Just like I’m not afraid to admit that D/P perma-stealth thief is cheap and I would never defend it because I see it may be possibly OP.
The build I’m using now though…I’m sure it is definately not OP. Actually it’s quite kitten for roaming.
30/30/5/5/0 SD + shortbow
30 in deadly arts, 30 in critical strikes, 5 in shadow arts, 5 in acrobatics. Any seasoned thief knows this skill build is suitable for PvE but not PvP because it lacks blind on stealth, remove condi on going into stealth, regen health in stealth (or the initiative regen or vigor to spam dodges or FS/LS afforded with 30 in acrobatics/trickery. In fact you can’t spam anything with this build, you don’t have the necessary vigor/initiative to do it). I use it because I don’t like how dependent on stealth we are as a thief.
Some people say well you probably just spam 333333 right? Actually no because people are getting good at dodging larcenous strike now. Spamming it is a quick way to end yourself vs anyone good.
The thing is that s/d thief is actually fotm. Thats first
And second.
“unfortunately, I’m not that skilled. I spam FS and that works as well. hehe”
So u want to kill everyone with one buttom mash? Sorry but its doesnt work this way, but probably thats the reason why u picked thief class and now complains.
Third as for wvw, i have seen few thief on 30vs30 battle scale on my server and they were last man standing. But to archieve results like these guys its takes more than simply pressing 33333. Its time to L2P. Its a true shame to losing to this build as s/d thief
Also u should start complains about guardians as they excels in every format of this game. Take a look at tpvp, a guardian is a must.
Actually I don’t spam 3 anymore. It doesn’t work well anymore. Opponents adapt, and I hone my skill. That post is dated.
Sadly after reading almost all of this thread in one sitting I only have a few things to say.
I beat skull crack builds on my ranger with only 1 stun breaker and no stability. Learn to dodge.
Excalibur the fact that you are defending yourself with no foundation except your “own little world ideas” for at least a day is pretty sad. If you are truly as good as you say and warriors are truly OP as you say… why not prove everyone wrong without typing? Make a video in heart of the mists or level one up like you said and prove it. Anet will like to see and so will all these people “defending an OP build”.
Its been said too many times but I’ll say it again. Learn to Play.
The dynamics in sPvP is completely different and leans heavily on condi spam right now. This type of spec thrives in WvW.
I already said if this spec remains untouched I’ll be leveling my warrior to 80 and I’ll make some roaming videos. Not now, because next patch brings the account wallet which will make things easier.
Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.
Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.
So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…
Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?
Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.
And????
The point is warrior is good at too many things at once. Thief is only good at roaming. Warrior is good at ZvZ, GvG, commanding, PvE, now roaming too?? How is that even fair?
When balance is achieved every class should be able to do everything well, pve, roam, group fights. Spvp.
Just because warrior is decent in many areas now doesnt mean it needs a nerf because your poor little thief cant do large scale fights that well.
Seriously why do i even have to type this?!
Warrior is not just decent in many areas ahahha. It was already the best at many areas and these buffs just further to bring them over the top.
Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.
Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.
So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…
Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?
Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.
And????
The point is warrior is good at too many things at once. Thief is only good at roaming. Warrior is good at ZvZ, GvG, commanding, PvE, now roaming too?? How is that even fair?
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.
A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.
lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.
You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?
Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.
i think it’s an underserved nerf. now we have to slot a stun breaker??
Someone wanna sum up that guy? I will stay away from that to not get banned for few words.
What’s your point? Thieves get a lot of nerfs, even though it’s ONLY good at roaming. Now you want to take that specialty away from thief and give it to warrior? How does that even BEGIN to make sense?
Notice I don’t use the FotM because I think it’s kind of cheesy and gimmicky. I prefer to win fairly and don’t really care about using the latest and greatest “OP” spec.
@Excaliber: You are a thief asking for Warrior nerfs. Seriously, kitten off and learn to play.
You are just a little kid who cries when he loses and makes up random kittened up statistics about a build you have never played, have never played against for a significant amount and nor have you tried to counter it because you are not posting anything about testing out the HUNDREDS of suggestion given to you. STOP PLAYING GW2 COS YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T UNDERSTAND EVEN THE SIMPLEST OF GW2 PVP ASPECTS.
This is funny because I could remember you saying warrior is much better than thief and that the thief is completely useless just yesterday.
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Get warrior definitely.
I have all professions full geared out at lvl 80 and I hate my thief. IMHO most useless class at every aspect of the game except running around, and if you are running away from people in PvP then you are sort of doing the exact opposite of fighting and will spend most of your time walking around the map or away from people when you take 3+ hits. Lets be honest, no one likes walking the entire WvW map yet thieves do it every fight they encounter because you don’t actually notice how much time is spent running on a thief.
Looks like you are just defending your precious OP spec.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
When you hit 80 hit me up man, ill be happy to duel you for some easy kills.
lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.
OP builds dont need more than a day to be good on them. Also since you claim to know so much about it then it cant be hard to pick up.
You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?
So you are saying the build has counters????
Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.
So a warrior should run from its counters but a thief shouldnt?
That great logic man.
When did I say a thief shouldn’t run from its counters? Common sense you run from your counters….
You posted earlier
“Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.”
Hence you believe a thief shouldnt run from a warrior even if it counter the thiefs build, this is why i can’t take you seriously. Instead of trying to keep warrior the best roamer in WvW you should strike to make thiefs more relevant in the department they lack in.
ANET is responsible for balancing, so I can’t dictate what they do; the only thing I can do is to speak out when I feel something is op or out of line.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
You do the videos for spvp and show us how OP it is, really i want to see, you dont need to lvl up for that, just enter the mist, show us how much of a talker you are by not doing it or puting some excuses or not even answering this post.
Man, it has to feel very bad to not beign able to be carried by the most op stealth class in the history of mmorpg, you should stop playing video games for the sake of your dignity.
First of all, I don’t really use stealth so I don’t know why you keep bring up that “most op stealth class” thing. Secondly, feel free to show us how op thieves are in sPvP with some videos since you keep saying that and I doubt you’d be able to back it up. 3rdly, I never said the build is OP in sPvP, it’s a very different dynamic in sPvP.
Yea, so pro, totally not going to use that nooby life saver that makes up most of your offense and defense.
d/p stealth blind spam is OP in wvw and 1v1 situation, don’t lie, we know it. too bad, the meta now is conditions.
Don’t need to lie, it’s not what I use. Actually I find it pretty cheap too.
and why you say this build is op again?
A couple of things contribute to this:
1) Recent buff of healing signet [sustain buff]
2) Trait added for 25% passive movement speed boost with melee weapons [mobility buff]
3) Skull crack duration increased by 1 second [CC buff – indirect damage buff]
I’m not in charge of balancing so I don’t want to jump to conclusions, but I’m usually very sensitive to this sort of thing. (overall game balance and such)
It doesn’t matter if there are a few counters to this build….every build has counters. This one doesn’t have many and it’s just over the top right now. You may disagree with me that’s fine, since that’s your opinion, but my opinion is that it’s op and warrior was overtuned.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
You do the videos for spvp and show us how OP it is, really i want to see, you dont need to lvl up for that, just enter the mist, show us how much of a talker you are by not doing it or puting some excuses or not even answering this post.
Man, it has to feel very bad to not beign able to be carried by the most op stealth class in the history of mmorpg, you should stop playing video games for the sake of your dignity.
First of all, I don’t really use stealth so I don’t know why you keep bring up that “most op stealth class” thing. Secondly, feel free to show us how op thieves are in sPvP with some videos since you keep saying that and I doubt you’d be able to back it up. 3rdly, I never said the build is OP in sPvP, it’s a very different dynamic in sPvP.
Yea, so pro, totally not going to use that nooby life saver that makes up most of your offense and defense.
d/p stealth blind spam is OP in wvw and 1v1 situation, don’t lie, we know it. too bad, the meta now is conditions.
Don’t need to lie, it’s not what I use. Actually I find it pretty cheap too.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
When you hit 80 hit me up man, ill be happy to duel you for some easy kills.
lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.
OP builds dont need more than a day to be good on them. Also since you claim to know so much about it then it cant be hard to pick up.
You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?
So you are saying the build has counters????
Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.
So a warrior should run from its counters but a thief shouldnt?
That great logic man.
When did I say a thief shouldn’t run from its counters? Common sense you run from your counters….
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
You do the videos for spvp and show us how OP it is, really i want to see, you dont need to lvl up for that, just enter the mist, show us how much of a talker you are by not doing it or puting some excuses or not even answering this post.
Man, it has to feel very bad to not beign able to be carried by the most op stealth class in the history of mmorpg, you should stop playing video games for the sake of your dignity.
First of all, I don’t really use stealth so I don’t know why you keep bring up that “most op stealth class” thing. Secondly, feel free to show us how op thieves are in sPvP with some videos since you keep saying that and I doubt you’d be able to back it up. 3rdly, I never said the build is OP in sPvP, it’s a very different dynamic in sPvP.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
When you hit 80 hit me up man, ill be happy to duel you for some easy kills.
lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.
OP builds dont need more than a day to be good on them. Also since you claim to know so much about it then it cant be hard to pick up.
You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?
So you are saying the build has counters????
Should be able to run from the few counters with greatsword mobility and -98% condi duration.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
When you hit 80 hit me up man, ill be happy to duel you for some easy kills.
lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.
OP builds dont need more than a day to be good on them. Also since you claim to know so much about it then it cant be hard to pick up.
You realize that dueling builds are different from roaming builds right? If you know what build I’m gonna run, then you can just run a build specifically tailored to beat this one. How is that even fair?
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
When you hit 80 hit me up man, ill be happy to duel you for some easy kills.
lol srsly?! you would challenge a fresh lv80 to a duel? (Especially a spec you have some experience in, I’ve seen that video) That wouldn’t prove anything would it.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
“A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.”
Thought i would look back on your posts to see what class you are. Im actually enjoying fighting warriors on my thief now, rather than destroying them. But tbh most of these mace shield warriors wear zerk gear so it doesn’t take too long to destroy them with my sword dagger , shortbow.
Haven’t run into any of these warriors 1v1 as of late (kinda noticed SoR and BG like to travel in groups even for roamers….once I chased this guardian halfway across the map just so he could find a buddy), but I’m eating super veggie pizza and plus the 30 points in DA I have 68% condi duration even if they have -98% condi duration. Fight should be interesting now that I’m prepared…
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
Can’t wait to see these videos, I hope you will be picking some good oppoments and not some noob/uplevel/oblivious to dodge/stunbreak players.
Well it’ll be against SoR and BG and they’re pretty decent as a whole.
If this spec doesn’t get nerfed next patch, I’m taking my warrior (currently lv2) to lv80 in WvW and I’ll stream/make some videos with him to show how easy mode it is.
I was levelling my warrior earlier, but then I remembered with next patch comes account balance so I’ll be able to level my FotM warrior much easier.
We still have low damage.
We still have poor sustain (can be easilly kited/killed.)
We are still one of the hardest classes to play.
This is lulzy coming from the highest damage, and one of the highest sustain class. It’s also the class that is widely considered to be ez-mode and faceroll.
I think you have the wrong forum this is the warrior forum not the thief forum. Said as a lvl 80 thief.
Looks like he stomped some would-be zergling nubs to me.
Ya those players are pretty bad. But I was able to kitten the raw potential of the spec. And it’s clearly op. There is too much sustain, mobility, and damage in 1 build. Even though those players were bad, and OP himself played quite well.
Well thief should be better than warrior in 1v1, but right now warrior is a pain to take down. I’ve examined several roaming warrior videos using this spec and imo the mobility, sustain, and damage is too high as a combined package.
Either way, we’ll see what’s done in the next patch. I’m tired of arguing with people who just want to defend their precious op spec.
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
You can’t be serious. See, this is why I said your opinion isn’t valid. That post you made a few days ago that I posted above, and now a comment like this. Thief doesn’t mean free pass to walk all over warrior. You still have major advantages vs warrior if you actually trait properly, in all honesty warrior should still be slightly buffed vs thief.
A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
So you killed the large majority of warriors before the patch.
Now you lose to “quite a few” but not all or even most.
I’m having a hard time seeing how this is bad balance.
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.
