Guild Wars 2

ClaraFee.2579:

Can someone please explain where all of this Warrior speed comes from to those of us who haven’t built a Warrior?

Dogged march – 33% condition resistance to movement impairing conditions.
Berserker stance – immune to all new conditions for 8s , can be traited up to 10s
Healing Signet – 400HPS passive…..capitalize on all that mobility.
Signet of stamina – clear all conditions instantly
Trait that increases passive movement speed to 25% when using melee weapons.
High stability uptime, and plenty of stunbreaks.
Perma Swiftness
Can dual proc endure pain with trait and utility to be immune to damage for 8s combined
Trait that breaks all movement crippling conditions when using a movement skill such as the following:

GS #5 Rush
GS #3 Whirlwind
Sword #2 Charge
Bull’s Rush
Dash from Rampage

Might be missing some still. GS #5 and GS #3 together is enough to outrun almost anyone already.

All the movement skills are there since game release, but those traits and berserker stance were later added in to buff the warrior. Healing Signet was also doubled to increase warrior sustain which doesn’t increase mobility but goes really well alongside the mobility because it almost ensures when you’re running away you won’t be killed by stray fire.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Kamikazi.5380:

Lmao Thief def does not have it easiest seeing how they are nerfed every patch, and neither do Mes being nerfed every other patch .

Guard Necro and Warrior is the new trinity

They wouldnt need to keep nerfing Thief if they did 2 things:

1) Remove Initiative. Turn weapons into proper cool downs
2) Fix Stealth

Mesmer has the same problem, ONE aspect making it to hard to balance the whole class and that would be Phantasms and Phantasm builds – which they seem to be trying to push players into example would be the new healing signet.

or they could give every class initiative system.

Cool down is so 10 years ago Zzz – didn’t sign up for this.

Class does matter I think.

My win percentage went way up with a bunker war versus my skirmish thief.

On my thief I could always get a ton of kills, which didn’t really amount to much in the end. But on the warrior I’m always just holding points which ends up winning the match more often than not.

If you can use a build that can reliably bunk mid then you can move way up in the leaderboards I think. That’s if you can consistently keep the point when it’s 1v2 against you. If you can hold it 1v2 for like 20 seconds reinforcement will come eventually and that can allow you to successfully hold mid.

Team that holds mid for extended period of time usually wins in my experience.

We can decide this with a 1v1 tournament of some kind.

Qaelyn.7612:

People with this attitude are why 99% of GW2 players avoid PvP. I’m serious.

Agreed. Really disgusting behavior exhibited by so called “vets” of this game.

Submitted to bug section with link to this topic.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Dodge-roll-into-Infiltrator-s-arrow-bug

Dodge rolling right after infiltrator’s arrow results in character rolling on the spot, not moving forward.

For more information on how to reproduce, and consequences please take a look at this topic:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Ugh-dodge-roll-into-infiltrator-arrow

well i guess you have to run with shadow arts based thief below 30% HP, because last refuge procs at 25% health and that thing can be unpredictable.

Class balance is anything BUT fine. Medium classes are just about worthless.

Ninski.5680:

Warriors exist in spvp? MM necros every game all day everyday wat
http://i.imgur.com/Xmyj5l1.jpg hold down your S key while your minions 1v5

there are 2 warriors in your screenshot…so yes they exist.

Arganthium.5638:

Not gonna lie, the thief changes are absolutely garbage. Better kick thieves further down the hierarchy of classes.

Adding recharge mechanism on top of initiative is a little bit excessive, I agree.

But I fully support a COMPLETE rebuild of thief class, scrapping the entire stealth and stealth attack mechanism to let it fight head on like other classes.

Kind of want a complete rebuild at this point. Scrap stealth entirely and make it more assassin-like.

GL with warriors, you have to be masochist if you’re still playing PvP with this pathetic meta anyways. I gave up long time ago and joined the dark side.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Thrashbarg.9820:

Because hardly anyone uses it anymore. Only being able to kill players in gear 40 levels too low, who are surprised enough to just stand there getting hit, is likely the reason.

well Not many places i could go – water would have killed me, and not a chance i could have out ran him. Plus being a Melee build and not equipping my Staff made it that little bit harder to actually be a threat and be safe.

Still for having really bad gear, getting him down to under 20% like 3 times wasnt too bad

you should’ve been able to kill him, necro is pretty OP right now.

ah crap, so the triangular stomp got nerfed pretty badly.

i was trying to figure out how you can do it then finally figured out that you can’t anymore. (in fact this TUTO video is probably the one that got IR nerfed…)

wonder how many of those shadowstep locations with the infiltrator’s arrow have been nerfed too….

Nice video. If everyone used inf arrow like that though there would be more than a few tears. A matter of time I suppose.

This. Any day now. I sound like such a pessimist but I’m usually right too…
I always knew IR would get nerfed some day since it’s SO COOL…but cool things always get nerfed.

Lol, this thread is old and the videos are way outdated.

Ah I see, it’s a year old.

Safe to assume 70-80% of the tricks in the top 2 videos have been nerfed then.

you can get 25 might stacks from signet build IIRC.

Okay so it’s still an issue.

http://www.twitch.tv/sakraycore/b/489194722

I haven’t submitted it to the bug section, part of me still wants to believe that ANET devs lurk in this place.

spike heal is always harder to use than heal over time.

like even if healing signet healed the same amount as healing surge over a period of time, healing signet will still be much much easier to use.

What: Perma Stealth
Why: Worst thing ever created in the history of gaming!!1!! Also, I am a clicker and a perma stealth thief 1 hitted me out of nowhere!

i never had problem tagging with just shortbow auto attack o_o

Shadowstep and shadow refuge next on the nerf/QQ list.

DrLane.5248:

Tbh u should not compare anything with s d thief which is one of the issues of this game. I played thief a lot and this weap set /build is just way too permissive.it could be compared to a bunker build for sure. The fact is dp thief can kill hambow warriors , but it doesnt mean that warris are fine. Warris can do so much things at the same time like holding a point , being effective 1n1 ,great for team fights , swiftness that hlp to roam if u have to , and so many other things…. You got low risks for high reward , and thats not like the game shuld be on any class.i assume its not the only issue of this game , but its one of the most important atm

Honestly I’m cool with whatever extra nerfs S/D needs, the weapon set is dead to me and most thieves now.

There may be a few top thieves still rocking it, but they’ll be able to rock it with other weaponsets/classes too.

So now that infiltrator’s return is nerfed, people are targeting shadowstep.

After that is nerfed, it will be shadow refuge.

Mark my words.

TundraQualle.8204:

I hope you’ve created this thread as well in the bug report section. Otherwise all is vain, because this is no man’s land.

There are a lot of thieves, and other classes pretending to be thieves, but no ANET devs.

it’s because thieves were too hard to catch, so ANET made them easier to catch, but to compensate, made hard to catch easier to attain so now they’re even harder to catch.

Thief is a dps class not a support one, the only thing thief needs to do is burst/stealth imo, if you want to support your team change class.

That’s your opinion and it’s a clearly wrong one.
Firstly there are no roles in this game.
Secondly Venom Share is a group spec and it was just buffed.

Besides what’s the point of playing a spec that everyone, especially rangers hate? Burnfall makes a daily stealth hate topic and you say the only thing it needs to do is burst/stealth aka what rangers hate most? You contradict your class representative man.

Decided to bump this until it’s fixed. (Help me bump it)

I used similar strategy for another issue in Diablo 3, and it worked out like after a couple of months. (Expanding the number of buffs shown in tooltip)

Nice pyramid, it’s very pretty and detailed.

What: D/P thief
Why: Because if you’re a thief and can’t melt a warrior, you need to L2P.

I have to admit some of the dungeons in GW1 were hard, but I did mostly alliance battles which were a ton of fun. I played an SF elementalist. For me, they ruined elementalist when they turned it into its current abomination…

The level of difficulty of GW1 won’t fly in GW2 simply because they want basically everyone and their mom to be able to finish it since there aren’t any roles and you can’t change builds like in GW1. If you’re looking for a “hardcore” MMO experience you’re literally getting the opposite since this is the most casual MMO I know of/have played.

Queen’s gauntlet is probably gonna be the hardest content we’ll ever get.

because why would you bother reviving if the stomp always wins out?

I’ve never been kicked for being a thief but I rarely, if ever, join a pug.

Then how do you know what’s best for PUGs?

everyone plays on the same server for sPvP. I won’t touch on best class right now, haven’t figured out the new meta yet.

i’ve been kicked many times for being a thief (you know because you never get accepted into the team in the first place), but never for not using full zerk.

Dahkeus.8243:

Excalibur.9748:

not playing right now no. they introduced a new bug with the patch that they still haven’t fixed.

Which one?

the one where if you dodge at the end of an infiltrator arrow you sort of CC yourself and roll on the spot instead of moving forward.

not playing right now no. they introduced a new bug with the patch that they still haven’t fixed.

I saw sizer beat a 4x signet warrior in sPvP in one of those 1v1 rooms yesterday with S/D (lol) set. That was an intense fight to say the least.

But personally I switched to S/P even before the patch. It’s a lot more defensive set which is imo needed with extreme nerf of IR.

Still an issue after yesterday’s hotfix during WvW reset.

Clumsy.6257:

Excalibur.9748:

Clumsy.6257:

Excalibur.9748:

I find warrior to be much squishier than thief

You’re like the only person who thinks warrior is squishier than thief. I’m starting to suspect you’re sanduskel’s alt.

its all about perspective, thief = invincible in nearly all trash mob situations (dredge being the only exception) plus the massive ar(censor)senal of evades, 30+ seconds of party-wide stealth, I don’t see how you could think thief is squishier than warrior

Blind only works on trash…and they’re called trash for a reason, cuz they really are trash.
Disabling shot has delay due to aftercast, it’s not a very reliable evade. Same thing with flanking strike. IR was just nerfed. I’d rather have the high HP, armor, and healing signet instead of these unreliables evades.
Stealth is useful for skipping trash…..but skipping content is boring and not something I like doing anyways.
I don’t see how you can think warrior is squishier than thief.

1. Why are you using disabling shot?
2. While trash dies fast, warrior takes damage on trash while thief does not
3. IR????
4. Flanking strike/pistol whip are incredibly reliable
5. Hp is irrelevant, damage can be avoided
6. Armor is irrelevant, damage can be avoided
7. If damage can’t be avoided your not doing it right

PW has 0.5s activation time. That’s not what I’d call reliable. Same thing with flanking strike. Made worse by having to wait for aftercast time.
Dodge is a lot more reliable than either of those.
Any damage a thief can avoid, a warrior can. Those weapon skill evades are not very reliable for avoiding all damage. A warrior still has the mitigation advantage here.
IR = infiltrator’s return
Difference is warrior can actually take this damage while thief can’t.
Disabling shot is useful for kiting champions but I don’t use it a lot. I thought you used shortbow vs liadri. Are you saying you didn’t use disabling shot?
I don’t know what kind of easy content you’re doing but you can’t avoid all damage.

Besides, even if it was possible to avoid all damage, that doesn’t seem like something I want to do to maximize DPS. Anytime you dodge that’s damage lost.

Clumsy.6257:

Excalibur.9748:

I find warrior to be much squishier than thief

You’re like the only person who thinks warrior is squishier than thief. I’m starting to suspect you’re sanduskel’s alt.

its all about perspective, thief = invincible in nearly all trash mob situations (dredge being the only exception) plus the massive ar(censor)senal of evades, 30+ seconds of party-wide stealth, I don’t see how you could think thief is squishier than warrior

Blind only works on trash…and they’re called trash for a reason, cuz they really are trash.
Disabling shot has delay due to aftercast, it’s not a very reliable evade. Same thing with flanking strike. IR was just nerfed. I’d rather have the high HP, armor, and healing signet instead of these unreliables evades.
Stealth is useful for skipping trash…..but skipping content is boring and not something I like doing anyways.
I don’t see how you can think warrior is squishier than thief.

Does it remove fear or not?

Some person tried explaining to me how IR removes fear since it’s a condition. But it has never cleared fear for me personally which is why I’m skeptical to believe him.

I find warrior to be much squishier than thief

You’re like the only person who thinks warrior is squishier than thief. I’m starting to suspect you’re sanduskel’s alt.

Dempsey.8760:

Excalibur.9748:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Once the optimal is known, there is only one viable.

Optimal for what?

Let me answer for you – optimal for an organized group for a speed run.

I only PUG so that full zerk thing will never be optimal for me. I go in a PUG with the intent to be able to solo everything even if something goes wrong.

Did you even kill liadri? Berserker was the best gear for killing her. Anet makes it very obvious they berserker is superior to all other stats in PvE.

Yep, berserker was not the best for Liadri. P/D condi was the best and almost noone used berserker for doing the achievement with 8 orbs.

I just did a pug AC story and then AC1/2 in full zerk with 2 lvl 48’s and a 35 had little to no problems. I just explained everything clearly and they listened, being nice and helping people will get you a lot further than your “survivability” (which means nothing in this games PvE).

I Liadri in full zerk and got every achievement, that fight only separated those who could figure out fights and those that leans on the crutch that comes in the form of tankyness.

With a thief?

Just for the record I was talking about thief only, as zerk warrior is still tankier than a PVT thief. So going by your logic, playing a warrior is like relying on a crutch.

Bedlam.3562:

This guy doesn’t seem to be having any problems, or maybe EU players are just that much better?

http://www.twitch.tv/sizer2654

he just fought another thief and he lost lol.

I know he’s a good thief though…but even on stream he said he’s playing horrible.

Auesis.7301:

Excalibur.9748:

Okay let’s see you solo Horace and the 3 champions that comes before with full zerk and glass build.

More than doable. A Pistol Whip build would demolish all 4.

Actually, a PW build demolishes most dungeons that can be soloed (don’t have group-forced elements like consoles to activate at the same time).

I’d be interested in seeing that. That’s the build I tried (and failed with), but haven’t tried after the patch. Might be easier due to faster cast time of pistol whip.

I know it’s been done before with P/D, but definately not with S/P to my knowledge.

lol that’s gonna get ele FGS nerfed.

it’s a cruel test to see how many times you can nerf thief before they reroll or quit lol.

thief so op he win all fights he no lose ever.

All is vain.

I don’t want to play until they fix the new bug involving infiltrator arrow and dodge lol.

Man this patch was just an epic fail all around. Killed the builds we run, only perplexity cheese is left, how wonderful.

And its indisputable that berserkers is the best gear for all situations in pve and a good majority of all situations in WvW.

How can you say that when you’re not sure if you can kill something in PvE? If berserker and full glass build is the best for all situations in PvE then you would say ofcourse I can kill it.