Guild Wars 2

Anything major change?

I looked through patch notes for a couple of minutes. I see some fairly significant changes.

Invigorating precision from 5 to 8 %
P/P buffed?

What else is new and significant?

I play S/P + Shortbow or S/P + P/P

Edit: Haven’t played in 7 months.

disappointed to see the same zerk meta.

Selenya.6410:

Jomo kenyatta.7351:

Bunker guardians
warrior
engineer
spirit ranger
mm necro

^that

this

Just enjoy while it lasts.

Downwood.3192:

Interestingly enough, a lot of the same thing happened on TC prior to the start of Season 1. We had a bleeding of guilds towards BG and JQ (and maybe a few to SoR) in the hopes of playing on a ‘competitive server’. But in the end, it didn’t seem to make that much difference. Months go by, things even out, new people come, learn the game, play WvW, things progress. I’m sure that SoR will cycle through and come around and recreate itself in a new image in time.

I understand the pain of losing friends and comrades, as my WvW guild was one that was bought out by JQ. I chose to stick with TC and in the end it was a great decision. I applaud those that have stuck with SoR.

My guild left for SoS.

I chose to stay on TC and joined a wonderful guild. I don’t regret my decision one bit.

Good build, thanks for sharing.

it’s good, zerk meta needs to die

it had very close to no weaknesses at all before the 3ish nerfs (longbow nerfed twice, hammer nerfed iirc) it received recently. it’s on track to get another nerf to healing signet…and probably some other nerfs (because of how strong it is despite getting 3 nerfs in 3 patches). we’ll see if it has any weaknesses then…the popular opinion is it will still be OP.

warrior will no doubt cleanse poison and/or bleeds with LB burst

get ready for another thief nerf guys and then some sort of MASSSIIIVE buff to last refuge proc chance

the problem is FS buff lead to the eventual destruction of the S/D set so i guess people have reason to fear the PW buff

kyubi.3620:

Mainly best thing you can do not to get kicked is not to be a jerk. I kick jerk on sight especialy those who put the party life at stakes on purpose because they are stubborn.

we’re talking about scenarios where someone is looking for 1 more and you’re like can i join? and they’re like what class are you you say thief, and they’re like no.

>_<

Ofcourse now we have LFG tool and you just don’t get added and you see the 5th member filled is a non-thief and you see wuts up behind the scenes.

I am a thief and I see the following scenario often:

-Party leader is a warrior, group fills instantly.
-Party leader is a thief, it’s empty for…ever. Even as a thief, I don’t want to join a party lead by a thief…I’m sorry my own class but I’d rather join a group started by guard/war.

you’re kicked right as they see you’re thief, no chance to do anything.

There is nothing in the entire of the PvE scene that evasion + SoM cannot beat.

Horace and Ivor Trueshot.

zerk meta is stupid, can’t wait until it’s gone

Interceptor.2653:

Excalibur.9748:

WTH dude, why would you report it, I just wanna know how many thieves quit after the Dec.10 path, and why. It’s a tally for informational purpose only.

I didn’t report your thread. I clicked on it, and thought it was sad that people who stopped playing would still come here, but that’s about it.

Nah what’s really sad is how the forum is more fun than the game…

Interceptor.2653:

Excalibur.9748:

They deleted my legit quit thread in like 30 minutes. Looks like they’re pretty efficient when it comes to damage control.

Yeah, they are pretty good at deleting things that are against the rules that you need to agree to in order to post here. That’s partially because there are people like me who take advantage of the easy reporting tool that they provide.

WTH dude, why would you report it, I just wanna know how many thieves quit after the Dec.10 path, and why. It’s a tally for informational purpose only.

PS noone likes a snitch

If they nerf it into the ground the money spent on the gear grind they promised us would not be in this game might lead to some legit quit threads.

They deleted my legit quit thread in like 30 minutes. Looks like they’re pretty efficient when it comes to damage control.

In case , even if there are legit quit threads, they’ll be deleted…

@Auesis

I see your point but I still consider this as progress in the right direction.

Like I said, full zerk will most likely still be the best/only way to go, and so will be a thief nerf, but the gap will likely be smaller which is good and will encourage diversity more in PUGs.

ANET can continually make baby steps until zerk is not the only way to go. This can be the first one.

Karolis.4261:

Maugetarr.6823:

evilapprentice.6379:

Maugetarr.6823:

evilapprentice.6379:

godofcows.2451:

how about we all just wait first and react afterwards when details have been given?

I’m worried by how many posts I had to scroll through until someone said this.

Well, it could go one of two ways:

Dev’s don’t think crit damage is up to par with conditions, thus should be buffed

Dev’s think crit damage exceeds condition based damage and should be nerfed in some form.

Speculation and discussion is at least interesting while we wait.

While I agree speculation and discussion can be interesting, that’s not what some people are doing. They’re pre-kittening about how kittened their class will be when they nerf critical damage – just making wild assumptions.

I edited after you responded, so I’ll just respond here. I think a lot of people think that a buff to crit based damage is unlikely. I’m not going to take a sky is falling attitude toward it yet until we hear some more specifics.

I am interested in hearing some high-level balance direction roadmap discussion since I think the changes to vigor were the opposite way they should have gone with thieves during the last patch. Hearing their future goals and thought process will be….. intriguing.

Well when they say that there will be changes in crit damage and we have topic that says that they want to stop berserker builds domination in pve… in my eyes that just screams – CRIT DAMAGE NURF! So please ppl, start panicking!

Y panick. Zerk dominancne IS disgusting.

even tho it’s gonna be thief nerf this is good change still. ANET said we can play however we want, but zerk stat it too much in PvE. All stat combinations need to be good, that will make the game more fun since there will be more than one viable stat combination.

most thieves will probably still go full zerk so it’s a thief nerf as usual

it’s ANET that give us a bad name. if they didn’t nerf us every patch we wouldn’t be in this position.

Good. Tired of zerk elitists telling you’re useless/holding the team back if you’re not using full zerk.

Still an issue -.-"

Maybe ANET isn’t gonna fix this one.

i join the team with less thieves lol. more than 1 thief is just bad

Zero Day.2594:

Travlane.5948:

Zero Day.2594:

k… gonna lay out some ground rules here guys…
If you have a SB and:
Evade once, you’re fine, you’re just using SB…
Evade twice, people will start to be suspicious of you…
God forbid you evade three times, you’re perma evading….
Anything more then three times you’re surely using the perma evade spec…

this is obviously sarcasmright?

Yes… yes it is…
sad part is though… i have a feeling that that’s how it’s actually going to be…

dun worry, shortbow is next on the chopping block.

Zero Day.2594:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

^just imagine a group of 5 thieves perma evading inside an enemy keep… it’s even worse than perma stealth cause you actually see them this time.

ikr?
It’s like they’re taunting you by being visible and perma evading… Those fools must be listening to MC Hammer…

lol ahaha it’s kinda like bugs bunny, and taunting you with the carrot or something. anyways, nerf this OP shiz.

free rally bait for the other team

Arganthium.5638:

Excalibur.9748:

s/d still works fine but it’s not godmode anymore so people think it’s trash… funny huh?

If you put a pro on a trash spec, it can appear to be fine….

I feel like a lot of the people that I’ve seen still playing S/D are the hardcore players that would stick with the weaponset no matter what.

.

Are you saying that no matter how much they nerf the set there will still be people playing it? Are you guys that stubborn? lol

s/d still works fine but it’s not godmode anymore so people think it’s trash… funny huh?

If you put a pro on a trash spec, it can appear to be fine….

Ok so what do you guys think will happen to the thief if it got every single nerf listed in this topic?

Would it still be OP or what? Ya teef too strongk.

Yea sure nerf #3 shortbow thief is too OP.

bcuz ANET lied and not every class can fulfill any role. Also some classes are just good at being annoying but not actually good at anything..

yea S/D needs some serious skill to roam with in WvW. but it’s also good in a way that it forces you to learn something other than rely on the perma stealth crutch.

It sounds like a bug, is it safe to take advantage of this exploit?

Thief needs more nerfs, that’s the only way it can survive in the long run.

1). If your current build were nerfed would you leave the class?
-My build has been nerfed multiple times already lmao, I’m not even playing the game now.

2). How much of a nerf would it have to be (scaling slightly reduce effectiveness to completely break the build)?
-The dec.10 nerf

3).Would it matter if the nerf was Spvp only, or WvW only?
-Yes

4). Would it matter if the nerf can with a buff?
-Yes but we never got any real buffs with the nerfs

5). What type of nerf would most likely get you to leave the class ie stealth, evasion, burst dps, sustained dps, condi damage, etc.?
-Mobility, core system change, sustained DPS

Waiting for Clumsy and pals to tell you thief is fine if not OP in dungeons, and that you should never ever be getting hit even when multi tasking and that you need to L2P.

Teef too OP, must nerf more!

Alright, I’ve been playing a lot of tPvP lately and noticed that 99% of thieves I’ve came across are complete noobs to be honest.
They’re all playing dagger/pistol

It’s really disappointing to see the whole class be so “monotone” single-button masher where there are SO MANY good builds with which you can easily do 1vsX (For example, sword/dagger shadowstep master).

Not really, S/D is dead now as you can see and was predicted by most thieves before the patch came out.

Cynz.9437:

i had a match in yoloq with 6 warriors… i think we are getting there

good. maybe we can see 10 warrior in yoloQ someday.

Viking Jorun.5413:

frans.8092:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Very few thieves have rigs that they can record at decent settings on, otherwise I’m positive there would be at least one more thief doing this.

Decent settings is rather vague. I can record 1080 at low – medium settings (native 1080 resolution, high lod about 30fps), on a simple i3 rig. I will not be trying 1080 in a zerg vs zerg but then, neither is Yishis.

I’ve tried livestreaming on my rig at 540p, and while the framerate never drops below 40 the video is still choppy. Maybe recording onto disk is different? I’ve only got native 720.

My rig goes as follows:

• NVidia 630 GT 1.0 GB
• Intel Core i7 3rd Gen 3632qm 2.6GHz
• 12.0GB RAM

Can play at 60fps with no issues on medium-high settings when not livestreaming, drops to 30-45 when livestreaming on medium-low settings.

Try streaming with OBS openbroadcaster software. If the video is choppy while your frame rate is fine, then your upload speed may be too low.

i fought a couple of S/D thieves before on my warrior while using bow. i found it hard to hit them with bow if they keep circling around me with FS and positioning due to slow travel speed/activation of warrior longbow even in melee range.

the fire field though….yea if you want the point i think you’re gonna have to take some damage. the fire field has actually been nerfed like twice already. now you need level 3 adrenaline for maximum size and I think burning damage ticks more infrequently.

rofl terrible argument is terrible.

really grasping at straws with that.

Happy new year tho!

what changes/adaptations did he make?

there’s just a lot of terrible players in this game. who turns camera with the keyboard and clicks skills.

perma stealth = perma useless.

Just remove stealth from the game already and buff thief accordingly.

That’s just something other classes say. Thief won’t be buffed even if it loses stealth, S/D is still complained about by ignorant people.

Passive play lets you concentrate on defense which is especially good for a bunker build. Example is my warrior bunker build which is basically as passive as it gets: completely passive heal, no weapon synergy, no active defenses which I need to activate. Pretty much just plop down the banner then roll around and spam skills.

Apparently spirit ranger and minion mancer is also pretty passive. But I don’t know if it can get more passive than a war bunker build??!?

You got my respect for continuing to run S/D in WvW after Dec.10

what about extended stealth?