Guild Wars 2

You see actually we do. Your not running berserkers.

That relies on the flawed assumption that berserker is the best for all situations.

Actually its relatively easy to do this. In fact I’d say I could nearly afk and do this. Wait… I do afk and do this.
edit: not true afk, 2nd monitor = netflix

Okay let’s see you solo Horace and the 3 champions that comes before with full zerk and glass build.

Erebus.9276:

Then don’t die? If you’re relying on people to carry you to not dir maybe you should learn to play?

So you’re saying you can use full zerk and glass build in any dungeon/fractal and never die even with a bad PUG? I find that hard to believe. That’s something like avoiding every hit.

Even if that’s true, all ANET needs to do is put in some harder content in the next patch then you’re boned.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Excalibur.9748:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Once the optimal is known, there is only one viable.

Optimal for what?

Let me answer for you – optimal for an organized group for a speed run.

I only PUG so that full zerk thing will never be optimal for me.

It’s best for pugs too.

Your argument is like the old joke, “You aren’t ‘stuck in traffic,’ you ARE traffic.” Except in your case it’s, “You aren’t in a bad pug, you ARE the bad pug.”

You really have no way of proving this. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

Doing more damage > doing less damage. Its the same pug vs speedclear.

You do no damage when you’re dead.

Clumsy.6257:

Excalibur.9748:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Once the optimal is known, there is only one viable.

Optimal for what?

Let me answer for you – optimal for an organized group for a speed run.

I only PUG so that full zerk thing will never be optimal for me.

Did you even kill liadri? Berserker was the best gear for killing her. Anet makes it very obvious they berserker is superior to all other stats in PvE.

Yep, berserker was not the best for Liadri. P/D condi was the best and almost noone used berserker for doing the achievement with 8 orbs.

P/d wasn’t the best, shortbow was much better, or s/d which was better than both but very hard to use. And berserker is the optimal gear in all party situations, if you can’t run it in a pug then your doing it wrong.

Yea right, I didn’t see any vids with shortbow or s/d doing it in a timely manner. I actually only found 1 vid doing it with full zerk stats and shortbow and the time was even slower than mine. P/D was obviously the best for liadri with something like 70% of all people using it and the only vid on doing the 8 orb achieve was with P/D.

And berserker is the optimal gear in all party situations, if you can’t run it in a pug then your doing it wrong.

You really can’t prove this at all. It’s just your opinion.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Once the optimal is known, there is only one viable.

Optimal for what?

Let me answer for you – optimal for an organized group for a speed run.

I only PUG so that full zerk thing will never be optimal for me. I go in a PUG with the intent to be able to solo everything even if something goes wrong.

Did you even kill liadri? Berserker was the best gear for killing her. Anet makes it very obvious they berserker is superior to all other stats in PvE.

Yep, berserker was not the best for Liadri. P/D condi was the best and almost noone used berserker for doing the achievement with 8 orbs.

Invizible.2960:

Anything is viable in Pve imo.. I’ll run anything at least once.

PvE elitists are pretty funny, optimizing their specs for top damage which is fine but then they claim it’s the only thing that’s viable when pretty much anything is viable in lol PvE.

There was that 1 LS where berserker stat helps but considering there isn’t a time limit on any content, you don’t need full “berserker” to be viable.

There needs to be more hard content in PvE like liadri where full berserker isn’t automatically the best choice.

What they actually broke is S/D.

S/P will still be fine in PvE at least. The buff to pistol whip will help a bit, and it was always the more defensive set of the 2 sword sets so the extreme nerf to SR won’t hit it as hard.

S/D got no buffs, hit by a bunch of nerfs, it’s probably dead now. I saw sizer using it 2 days ago in Solo Q but he wasn’t doing too well with it.

I tested after the hotfix yesterday, it’s still an issue.

please show us your pro gunslinger skills pew pew

Oh wait we already saw that. My bad.

Thank you for the confirmations.

Do you think this is a stealth nerf or just a bug that will be fixed in the future?

I hope it gets fixed or reverted either way. It doesn’t make too much sense to me. Dev claim to want to “increase thief mobility” yet we lose more of it with every patch whether through actual nerfs or stealth nerfs.

I played around with hard to catch some yesterday.

It’s a pretty fun ability. I don’t really have a good idea how it works yet, but it hasn’t killed me yet.

It almost killed me once I was in SR and I got disabled and got revealed from that. But I managed to outrun all of them with shortbow…

I want to play around with pain response today and decide. Because really, I think hard to catch may be necessary with what they did to shadow return.

VidurrRedhands.1964:

It was a strength because it was overpowered, the only difference is now you can actually be pinned down with CC and have to use a stunbreaker, like everyone else. No other class has a pseudo-stunbreaker that is attached to a gap closer + immobilize that you can combo a few hits off then get out.

no other class has a passive heal that heals for 400 HPS…

no other class has clones that can do heavy damage

no other class dies in 3 hits like teef

I also do roll right after the shadow step. I’m not sure why I do it, but I think it’s to cancel out landing animation so at least it feels faster and invinci frame at landing spot is a cool bonus. I also get swiftness from dodging so it flows really well.

Anyways, can’t do it anymore. This nerf really sucks, the worst part is it’s not even in the patch notes. Infusion of shadow buff initiative increase buff is in the patch notes even though it’s not really a real buff.

Elxdark.9702:

Excalibur.9748:

Elxdark.9702:

No, sorry but you’re just bad.

It is almost instant lol, but now you need to use it carefully and not spamming it like a kid.

I recommend you to watch this stream :
http://www.twitch.tv/sizer2654

He’s the best EU teef and probably the best in the class.

lol he died in the 5 seconds i watched the stream already.

Obviously he isn’t immortal.

i expected more from a top teef.

Elxdark.9702:

No, sorry but you’re just bad.

It is almost instant lol, but now you need to use it carefully and not spamming it like a kid.

I recommend you to watch this stream :
http://www.twitch.tv/sizer2654

He’s the best EU teef and probably the best in the class.

lol he died in the 5 seconds i watched the stream already.

Now rolls you in place, not moving forward at all.

Another stealth nerf…

Dodge it instead. The default mapping is “V”. Use a stunbreaker if you miss the window.

That’s what I already decided to do.

They basically killed this skill I guess. Wish they’d delete it and come up with something new.

1s cast is cool. i see this headcrack i’ll use it and just eat it …

well at least we got hard to catch !!! that’s like a consolation prize or something…

I’m going to slot in hard to catch in place of quick recovery.

Hey, gotta give it a try at least.

so is hard to catch any good now?

Doggie.3184:

Doesn’t work because I kept my build pretty much to myself and it got nerfed anyways, probably because I killed or escaped exactly 1 Anet staff member in one single occasion in WvWvW and made him angry. Then a skill no one uses was nerfed.

So if you like something, not only do you need to keep it secret but you have to not use it at all.

what skill are you talking about? IR? But a ton of people uses that lol.

Stats are wonderful things. Did you know that 90% of all road accidents involving a pedestrian happen on the pavement? So logically, to reduce the risk of being run over, pedestrians should walk in the road. (Some people I know from college genuinely could not find fault with this argument. The world is a scary place :P )

Don’t they know that correlation doesn’t imply causation? It’s a typical logical fallacy.

Elxdark.9702:

I don’t want to be offensive or a kitten but only bad players reroll into another class, because they feel their main class is “bad” or it is not good anymore.

Good players can adapt to anything, bad ones can only whine.

rerolling another class is a form of adaptation. good players adapt by rerolling another class, bad players get rolled.

i’m a bit confused, is this the one where before if you used attacks that didn’t do any damage it didn’t put you into combat, but now it does?

if so, this is not new it was ninja implemented a few patches ago.

edit: ninja’d by Maugetarr, nicely played.

rune, jewels, agony infusions etc. can you put them into ascended armor like before?

So disappointed I didn’t even log in, and instead played some ipad games like Asphalt 8 and infinity blade 3.

Really glad permastealth is gone though, that makes all the other nerfs worth it.

I give flippant responses to people who make flippant comments. It’s only fair.

I don’t want to argue with you since we’re both thieves but there are always people who think all thief builds are gimmicky.

And pistol whip was definately part of some gimmicky builds near the beginning of the game. ie frenzy pistol whip before frenzy and PW were both nerfed

FeelsAlright.5860:

If you play s/d you basically have to take hard to catch now, even though how terrible it is. And I would still take pain response in the grandmaster slot because it heals just as much if not more than assassin’s reward by removing condi’s.

No I don’t play S/D. Who would still play S/D after this patch?

Interceptor.2653:

Excalibur.9748:

Well S/P is a gimmicky build depending on who you ask…

Ask who? Someone who doesn’t know what “build” means? S/P is just a weapon set.

Why do you sound so kitten ed?

Anyways, I use S/P but the “gimmick” is that black powder doesn’t work too well against people who just move out of it, and pistol whip is a stationary skill so once again rely on people to stay still for you.

This boost is much needed, and hopefully I can land some hits with PW now.

it would be nice if passive play stayed dead, but this is probably wishful thinking.

Maugetarr.6823:

Sanduskel.1850:

Really happy that they stuck to their guns on the cheese specs. Underwhelmed by the initiative performance. Worse than was led to believe.

Really? Gosh! If only just one thief somewhere had mentioned how flat of a change and a cap on high crit thieves this was, you might have been expecting it.

I know I said on day 1 this was at best break-even, but not a buff when Crovax first questioned me on this.

At that time I hadn’t run any sort of theorycrafting at all. It’s fairly obvious to any power thieves how significant opportunist nerf is.

Even the devs said it’s not a buff when you use opportunist – and every non-condi thief uses it.

I think they should delete shadow return and come up with something new. I don’t use it anymore…

Or is it still better than the alternatives?

Could be good with my S/P, P/P build.

I already switched from S/D to S/P before the patch hit.

Definately looking forward to the new pistol whip…

Very awesome. Ty men.

yay infusion of shadow got buffed. ty men.

Qaelyn.7612:

“Cheese build” = A build someone else can’t beat but that they don’t run themselves.

It’s summarized perfectly in a sig I saw somewhere:

“Dear Arenanet: Please nerf rock, it’s too powerful. Paper is okay. — Thanks, Scissors.”

cheese build is just something that takes really low skill to run for exceptional effectiveness. It makes other more fair builds seem bad because you have to try harder to do as well on those fair builds.

I do run cheese build myself (kinda, it’s not super cheese but still cheese) but I want to see them go away because it hurts the pvp scene overall.

Stealthasaur.2198:

You dont know much about the thief obviously^ D/p is extremely strong after this buff. Like I said, its only a nerf for the low class shadow arts d/p thieves.

Thief builds before Dec.10 patch:

-D/P trickery thief
-D/P shadow arts thief
-S/D acrobatics thief

After Dec.10 patch:

-D/P trickery thief

Now if you see a thief, you know he’s using D/P and is glass cannon. Besides with mesmer buff and shift to bunker meta thief is dead.

This patch is a lot of things, but a buff it’s not.

Travlane.5948:

lets put it this way. im AA’ing and AA’ing and AA’ing then OMG i see FIRESTORM AOE on ground QUICK QUICK press disabling shot! i press it 4 – 5 times before it responds and im hit after about that many clicks. if im able to click disabling shot 4-5 times (prolly much more if i really mash) i should have been able to evade. its not a player end problem where im not reacting fast enough…. but ask MAUGETARR said…. evasive skills/attacks/utilies should ALWAYS interupt skills or atleast cut the aftercast off.

look at shadow strike. theres plenty of times when i play p/d and i use a sneak attack and then im like uh oh theres 5 players on my kitten so i decide to shadow strike after about 25% thru the channel of sneak attack and it interupts and teleports me back so i can bounce outta that heat.

i would like disabling shot to work like this. it rewards good reaction/skill play.

shadow strike doesn’t have a cast time, disabling shot does. shadow return is about to become like disabling shot.

What: Cloak n’ dagger
Why: It can give you almost perma stealth if you connect all of them. This is CLEARLY way too op.

Solution: Make CND give 3s torment on top of the vulnerability it already gives and remove the stealth.

As compensation for this nerf, move “hard to catch” from master tier to adept tier. This will make thief sooo much harder to kill so it is not only a big deal, it’s a MASSSIIIIVE buff.

Travlane.5948:

no..not cancel. just have it happen quicker. compare our attack to any other class with the exception of scepter guardians.

.7 sec aftercast on trick shot. thats horrendous.

shadow return will suffer the same fate after dec.10

there is 0.7s aftercast on trick shot.

lolz a buff, you must be out of your mind if you think you ever gona get a buff (that’s meaningful). Teef and buff just not meant to be, y ’know.

it’s good we need more nerfs because some “thieves” still think we will be amazing after dec.10

What: Thief ability to QQ on forums
Why: An inferior species should not be allowed to QQ.

S/D pretty much died when the meta shifted to bunker meta and LS can only steal 1 boon.

This seals the deal. RIP S/D you had a good run.

venom share needs 900 range. and even then I still won’t use this POS heal. SoM 4 life.

Qaelyn.7612:

So the honest truth is that I’m still playing my mesmer and thief, neither of which is close to being OP — at least at my skill level.

But I occasionally come across a player who can just camp a spot and basically is impossible to remove from it. Usually a necro or engineer. And, well, that seems like it would be fun to do sometimes also.

I’m really getting quite fed up with trying to play ‘normal’ characters when all I face are swarms of minions, warriors that never stop stunning me, guardians that can’t be touched, etc.

mesmer is countered by condi, especially AoE condi so necro and engi counter makes sense. it doesn’t make them OP just based on that, but necro would be OP in this meta if it wasn’t for warrior.

P/D is just low damage troll build so it makes sense it can’t remove any bunker types.

If you can’t remove a class from a point, then move to next point.

Geiir.7603:

They’re also ruining sword. The only reason for most people to play it was the fact that they could teleport a lot. From 10th of december you’ll see thieves using Infiltrator’s Strike – getting stun-locked and unable to use Shadow Return. In other words, they’ll appear and be insta-killed. W2G ANet.

Lordrosicky, a necromancer thinks S/D thief will be amazing after Dec.10

I want to have whatever he’s having lol. He is definately losing that bet.