Guild Wars 2

very nice synergy with lyssa runes

MeTx.6712:

Actually I do main ranger. Anyway, I already beat her, so I went in a tested it:

It does seem like that the blocks the AoE twice, but the third goes through. Not quite sure what’s up.

3rd hit unblockable obviously

Fenrir.5493:

Excalibur.9748:

Any reason why you’re not using healing signet?

Lol what?, your OP theory just crushed in your face or something?…

Nah, sPvP is different cuz of the condi meta.

All warriors with the mace/shield + greatsword + healing signet stunlock cheese build.

Levetty.1279:

Broadicea.8294:

yeah the only difference is now it takes a modicum of skill,

Unless you are a thief.

Jelly that the thief is not a complete joke in PvE for once?

Hey sorry for not providing gear. Cuz I think my gear is not optimal (not bad, just not optimal). However I would say that my gear is close to optimal for WvW zerging and quite balanced for WvW overall with my WvW build (minus the 2 ascended that I just added for this encounter which I only use for PvE these days to go along with this build (swap fleet of foot for quick recovery) and swap some weapons). I only have 2 ascended and using kind of an array of gear that I have from just leveling up (in other words no min-maxing from theorycrafting). It’s sort of hybrid, but may be better than what you have.

I will definately post a link to my full gear set (just expect it’s not necessarily the best) but should definately be enough for this encounter.

As for phase 1 not having enough sustainability. Funnily enough, I got the same complaint in-game from another person. I guess I really should’ve posted my gearset and probably a video, as it really is more than enough sustain for phase 1 as you will see.

Any reason why you’re not using healing signet?

Dakan.9463:

I can beat Dark Souls without dying once but Liadri is above me… I just can’t see whats going on in the arena because of the weird camera and something always one-shots me when I get her to about half of her health.

Funny how people keep saying Liadri is easy on a thief. Guess I’m a bad thief then.

I give up after about 100 tries and even buying condition gear. All in all she cost me about 25g I guess. I will now join the zerg and get my money back in the next few days.

Check my guide:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Liadra-guide-for-non-zerk-direct-damage/first#post2596022

Let me know if there’s anything STILL unclear after you read it. It goes into depth every facet.

Here’s a tip guys. Once you know what to do, and have a working build you should be able to get her to very low HP nearly everytime. That’s basically what happened to me – I got her to very low HP several times and then I finally bested her.

I wrote a guide which is for thieves, but many of the strategies are the same.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Liadra-guide-for-non-zerk-direct-damage/first#post2596022

It’s quite indepth and should be helpful. Watching videos on how to beat her may also help.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

The average player has only made 3g during the entire event so far. And that is only counting those who made more than 1g.

The number of people farming this is very very small because the number of people skilled enough to do so is very very small.

?? source?

I almost choked. thanks for the laugh OP.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

Skull crack looks exactly like an auto attack there is no “obvious animation” because there is none.
every 15s block with mace/sword
good luck kiting when he is nigh immune to cripple/chill/immobilize

Good thing we are down to two things because i disproved your other points,
makes it a lot faster to reply.
I was talking about shield bash with its animation – skullcrack needs to be set up
with 30 strikes of adrenalin
1. after using the healing will be weaker
2. as i said it gets shut down by almost every form of damage mitigation like evades
blocks or stability. What you don’t have those because you are a poor thief-
use shadowstep for two stunbreaks or smokefield from pistol #5 to become completely invincible against this setup.

Also, why do you refer to mace/sword when we were talking about mace/shield?
Don’t change the rules if you want to make your point – you will btw also
lose one of your two stuns.

skullcrack alone is 50%+ stun uptime. 4s stun every 7.75 seconds. no animation to speak of.

Good, we are down to one!
7.75 only if traited and you don’t go into how it

gets shut down by almost every form of damage mitigation like evades
blocks or stability. What you don’t have those because you are a poor thief-
use shadowstep for two stunbreaks or smokefield from pistol #5 to become completely invincible against this setup.

it’s not about thief. the build I use counters it but not all classes can counter the warrior right now. it’s a direct counter to OP meta-builds like necro and spirit ranger right now.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

Skull crack looks exactly like an auto attack there is no “obvious animation” because there is none.
every 15s block with mace/sword
good luck kiting when he is nigh immune to cripple/chill/immobilize

Good thing we are down to two things because i disproved your other points,
makes it a lot faster to reply.
I was talking about shield bash with its animation – skullcrack needs to be set up
with 30 strikes of adrenalin
1. after using the healing will be weaker
2. as i said it gets shut down by almost every form of damage mitigation like evades
blocks or stability. What you don’t have those because you are a poor thief-
use shadowstep for two stunbreaks or smokefield from pistol #5 to become completely invincible against this setup.

Also, why do you refer to mace/sword when we were talking about mace/shield?
Don’t change the rules if you want to make your point – you will btw also
lose one of your two stuns.

skullcrack alone is 50%+ stun uptime. 4s stun every 7.75 seconds. no animation to speak of. after it connects combo with 100% crit rate 100blades.

Skull crack looks exactly like an auto attack there is no “obvious animation” because there is none.
every 15s block with mace/sword
good luck kiting when he is nigh immune to cripple/chill/immobilize

Crovax.7854:

You obviously know nothing about warriors.
-900 hps is unrealistic, even in healing gear.
-50% stun uptime only with Hammer/Mace-Shield -> no mobility, and i mean no
-4k armor… lol and even if you could achieve that number, no damage, no healing.
-‘unparalleled mobility’, not true – good mobility maybe, and only with GS -> fewer stuns and utility
-Highest base hp together with necro, that’s true but not many ways of mitigation,
i.e. vigor only with unpopular traits and only with stances, no protection, regen when traited but useless without healing power.
-‘Massive repeatable burst’ only with GS/Mace-Shield and zerker stats
-> no survivability, very few disables, few support possibilities.

To me that sounds more like a kitten thief who didn’t bring stunbreaks to
a stun fight.

900HP/s can be achieved with healing power gear. mango. adrenal health. shouts/banners.
mace/shield + greatsword (meta build) – unparalled mobility and 50%+ stun up time.
4k armor easily achieved , since you only need 30% base crit to hit 100% crit rate with unsuspecting foe (50% crit chance while stunned) and fury. giving massive damage with massive survivability and sustain.
98% condition immunity with dogged march, melandru/heolbrak runes, lemongrass poultry soup. this combined with low cd whirlwind and rush = unparalled mobility.
very good mitigation combined with highest base hp. plenty of blocks, endure pain full damage immunity giving enough time for hp to regen with healing signet. BERSERKER stance full condition immunity for 8seconds.
VERY good survivability combined with the good sustain, CC, mobility and high high damage.

Crovax.7854:

Excalibur.9748:

warrior can heal 400hp/s passive just with 1 signet. (up to 900hp/s) 50%+ stun up time. 4k armor. unparalled mobility. highest base hp. 100% crit rate. massive repeatable burst with 100 blades. low skill floor.

Yes, if you could skill 30/30/30/30/30 and carry all weapons at once…
Learn how the class works, then come back and feel ashamed.

you can achieve all that with the same build except for the 900hp/s which needs shaman gear. Does it seem OP? Because it is.

warrior can heal 400hp/s passive just with 1 signet. (up to 900hp/s) 50%+ stun up time. 4k armor. unparalled mobility. highest base hp. 100% crit rate. massive repeatable burst with 100 blades. low skill floor.

I got aoe loot binded to middle mouse click but I still want to have my mini loot for me. Especially since I got the awesome liadri mini xD

Shpongle.6025:

I was disappointed that they didn’t give those that just want the achievement and miniature and option or choice to choose some kind of nerfed easy mode and just get the achievement, and those that want hard mode or a challenge to give them the option to choose hard mode.

because that’s not an achievement, that’s called spoon feeding.

God forbid thieves have something to farm for once.

I changed the looting key from f to shift.

Tired of pressing shift all the time.

Make this happen please!

papaganoosh.7908:

sinject.4607:

what are you talking about, you people are nuts. A 3.75 sec stun on a 7sec cd is in no world balanced; not only that but given the fact you have heavy armor, high hp, high damage output, and high mobility you shouldn’t be complaining at all. Warriors literally are the one of the most overpowered things in this game and if you don’t think so you’re lying to yourself big time.

You show your ignorance by putting 3.75.

Stuns round up to the nearest full second. It’s 4 seconds with sigil of para

What about immobilize? Does that round up to the nearest full second as well?

+1 make it work like mesmer decoy

The problem with nerfing his [deadeye] drops is that there are plenty of other joke bosses in the gauntlet. In fact, all of them pretty much are easy mode except for liadri. They can’t just keep putting band-aid fixes on this.

Ragemaw is a complete joke (more so than others), he doesn’t even do anything except for auto attacking. /facepalm

bhagwad.4281:

Excalibur.9748:

Really disappointed in ANET they let this drag on for too long without penalizing the exploiters and no compensation for people who didn’t attempt to exploit this.

What exploiters? There was no coding bug, no oversight in Deadeye’s mechanics, no taking advantage of bugged skills, environment or whatever. Everything was done as intended.

I think everyone automatically know what exploit means. Farming the gauntlet isn’t one.

If you’re getting gold a LOT faster with 1 particular method, it’s pretty obvious it was not intended. If you keep taking advantage of it then yea that makes you an exploiter. What you’re supposed to do is to report it to the devs and stop taking advantage of said exploit.

The oversight is how easy it is to farm gold at crown pavillion as a whole. All the bosses except for liadri is…a joke. Only liadri farming should be able to generate this amount of gold.

Really disappointed in ANET they let this drag on for too long without penalizing the exploiters and no compensation for people who didn’t attempt to exploit this.

You could change it with the one that loses condition on entering stealth I guess. But Option #2 is my favorite.

Dimittri.3245:

Excalibur.9748:

yes many people on this board have.

so this ‘many’ people have any tips?

I wrote a guide:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Liadra-guide-for-non-zerk-direct-damage/first#post2596022

yes many people on this board have.

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

It makes sense when you consider its synergy with signet of malice. If you’re not using this signet then yes P/P is pure garbage.

Why are you taking so much constant damage to where you need that at range? o.O

Even with signet of malice it’s not a good set.

You have to be built a certain way but it’s pretty solid if you’re built for it. As for why I’m taking so much damage with it…I usually don’t.

P/P is my regen set when I take damage in melee I regen HP back quickly back with unload then switch back to S/P.

Why are you taking so much damage while in mele range? PvE wise you should be behind your target the entire time and just dodge the mele range aoe stuffs. The game is pretty well timed to where you can avoid all of the heavy hits just with dodging. With S/P you get a lot of evades as part of one of your attacks. I use DD and have no need of the extra healing… so esp. as S/P you shouldn’t need to back out so much to where you would want to use this sub par PP weapon set.

I’m not behind my target, I like to facetank bosses with pistol whips.

Then you’re evading most of the time… so why are you taking enough damage to where you would need to back out and use PP?

Some bosses do too much damage after a point due to a number of things. Like if it just hits too hard, or I just generated too much hatred that it’s focusing on me or a number of things. It’s good to have a backup ranged set for PvE and shortbow doesn’t synergize with signet of malice.

Yes PW DPS is not the best, but you need at least 1 tank in your team that wants to tank the boss and it interrupts the boss very often to make everyone else’ life easier if I can just stand there and tank it.

Besides if I’m tanking the boss and keeping its attention that it leaves its back open for you to backstab it constantly.

Which bosses are giving you problems? Constant evades + malice should be more than enough as long as you’re timing your dodges as well. To me it just sounds like you’re just doing something wrong and using PP to make up for that. I also 100% disagree that you need a tank. This isn’t your standard trinity game.

Uhh I don’t dodge, I just stand and spam pistol whip.

That’s your problem right there then. You’re probably not timing your whips properly to get the evades at the right time and then not using dodge when you should to correct that, thus taking more damage than you should.

Yea I don’t dungeon a lot but it’s working pretty well so far. I feel pretty good about my build, playstyle etc. P/P just makes sense right now. So I wouldn’t say it’s a complete failure of a set.

I need a faceroll build for PvE and this is it.

It’s still subpar performance wise is the issue. A well plaid thief has no good use for PP. If you want a faceroll PvE character I HIGHLY suggest you make a guardian instead (that’s why I have one). It’s far better for you and your party Vs. a sub-par thief set up .

All of this is a HUGE stretch to try and say that PP is a valid set btw…

They need to buff it until it’s viable then.

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

It makes sense when you consider its synergy with signet of malice. If you’re not using this signet then yes P/P is pure garbage.

Why are you taking so much constant damage to where you need that at range? o.O

Even with signet of malice it’s not a good set.

You have to be built a certain way but it’s pretty solid if you’re built for it. As for why I’m taking so much damage with it…I usually don’t.

P/P is my regen set when I take damage in melee I regen HP back quickly back with unload then switch back to S/P.

Why are you taking so much damage while in mele range? PvE wise you should be behind your target the entire time and just dodge the mele range aoe stuffs. The game is pretty well timed to where you can avoid all of the heavy hits just with dodging. With S/P you get a lot of evades as part of one of your attacks. I use DD and have no need of the extra healing… so esp. as S/P you shouldn’t need to back out so much to where you would want to use this sub par PP weapon set.

I’m not behind my target, I like to facetank bosses with pistol whips.

Then you’re evading most of the time… so why are you taking enough damage to where you would need to back out and use PP?

Some bosses do too much damage after a point due to a number of things. Like if it just hits too hard, or I just generated too much hatred that it’s focusing on me or a number of things. It’s good to have a backup ranged set for PvE and shortbow doesn’t synergize with signet of malice.

Yes PW DPS is not the best, but you need at least 1 tank in your team that wants to tank the boss and it interrupts the boss very often to make everyone else’ life easier if I can just stand there and tank it.

Besides if I’m tanking the boss and keeping its attention that it leaves its back open for you to backstab it constantly.

Which bosses are giving you problems? Constant evades + malice should be more than enough as long as you’re timing your dodges as well. To me it just sounds like you’re just doing something wrong and using PP to make up for that. I also 100% disagree that you need a tank. This isn’t your standard trinity game.

Uhh I don’t dodge, I just stand and spam pistol whip.

That’s your problem right there then. You’re probably not timing your whips properly to get the evades at the right time and then not using dodge when you should to correct that, thus taking more damage than you should.

Yea I don’t dungeon a lot but it’s working pretty well so far. I feel pretty good about my build, playstyle etc. P/P just makes sense right now. So I wouldn’t say it’s a complete failure of a set.

I need a faceroll build for PvE and this is it.

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

It makes sense when you consider its synergy with signet of malice. If you’re not using this signet then yes P/P is pure garbage.

Why are you taking so much constant damage to where you need that at range? o.O

Even with signet of malice it’s not a good set.

You have to be built a certain way but it’s pretty solid if you’re built for it. As for why I’m taking so much damage with it…I usually don’t.

P/P is my regen set when I take damage in melee I regen HP back quickly back with unload then switch back to S/P.

Why are you taking so much damage while in mele range? PvE wise you should be behind your target the entire time and just dodge the mele range aoe stuffs. The game is pretty well timed to where you can avoid all of the heavy hits just with dodging. With S/P you get a lot of evades as part of one of your attacks. I use DD and have no need of the extra healing… so esp. as S/P you shouldn’t need to back out so much to where you would want to use this sub par PP weapon set.

I’m not behind my target, I like to facetank bosses with pistol whips.

Then you’re evading most of the time… so why are you taking enough damage to where you would need to back out and use PP?

Some bosses do too much damage after a point due to a number of things. Like if it just hits too hard, or I just generated too much hatred that it’s focusing on me or a number of things. It’s good to have a backup ranged set for PvE and shortbow doesn’t synergize with signet of malice.

Yes PW DPS is not the best, but you need at least 1 tank in your team that wants to tank the boss and it interrupts the boss very often to make everyone else’ life easier if I can just stand there and tank it.

Besides if I’m tanking the boss and keeping its attention that it leaves its back open for you to backstab it constantly.

Which bosses are giving you problems? Constant evades + malice should be more than enough as long as you’re timing your dodges as well. To me it just sounds like you’re just doing something wrong and using PP to make up for that. I also 100% disagree that you need a tank. This isn’t your standard trinity game.

Uhh I don’t dodge, I just stand and spam pistol whip.

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

It makes sense when you consider its synergy with signet of malice. If you’re not using this signet then yes P/P is pure garbage.

Why are you taking so much constant damage to where you need that at range? o.O

Even with signet of malice it’s not a good set.

You have to be built a certain way but it’s pretty solid if you’re built for it. As for why I’m taking so much damage with it…I usually don’t.

P/P is my regen set when I take damage in melee I regen HP back quickly back with unload then switch back to S/P.

Why are you taking so much damage while in mele range? PvE wise you should be behind your target the entire time and just dodge the mele range aoe stuffs. The game is pretty well timed to where you can avoid all of the heavy hits just with dodging. With S/P you get a lot of evades as part of one of your attacks. I use DD and have no need of the extra healing… so esp. as S/P you shouldn’t need to back out so much to where you would want to use this sub par PP weapon set.

I’m not behind my target, I like to facetank bosses with pistol whips.

Then you’re evading most of the time… so why are you taking enough damage to where you would need to back out and use PP?

Some bosses do too much damage after a point due to a number of things. Like if it just hits too hard, or I just generated too much hatred that it’s focusing on me or a number of things. It’s good to have a backup ranged set for PvE and shortbow doesn’t synergize with signet of malice.

Yes PW DPS is not the best, but you need at least 1 tank in your team that wants to tank the boss and it interrupts the boss very often to make everyone else’ life easier if I can just stand there and tank it.

Besides if I’m tanking the boss and keeping its attention that it leaves its back open for you to backstab it constantly.

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

It makes sense when you consider its synergy with signet of malice. If you’re not using this signet then yes P/P is pure garbage.

Why are you taking so much constant damage to where you need that at range? o.O

Even with signet of malice it’s not a good set.

You have to be built a certain way but it’s pretty solid if you’re built for it. As for why I’m taking so much damage with it…I usually don’t.

P/P is my regen set when I take damage in melee I regen HP back quickly back with unload then switch back to S/P.

Why are you taking so much damage while in mele range? PvE wise you should be behind your target the entire time and just dodge the mele range aoe stuffs. The game is pretty well timed to where you can avoid all of the heavy hits just with dodging. With S/P you get a lot of evades as part of one of your attacks. I use DD and have no need of the extra healing… so esp. as S/P you shouldn’t need to back out so much to where you would want to use this sub par PP weapon set.

I’m not behind my target, I like to facetank bosses with pistol whips. Well yea I don’t need to back out much, P/P is my backup set IF I need to back out.

XGhoul.7426:

Excalibur.9748:

Azraelle.1683:

Excalibur.9748:

People are still farming deadeye like crazy some people got 800g (should be considered an exploit) from deadeye farming already and will continue to generate money like crazy until you put a stop to it.

And you can’t farm him, poor boy?

Wait, how do you know I can’t farm him?

I never tried tbh. This is borderline exploit, so not touching this with a 10 feet pole.

When you think about it, if you go in and beat him WITHOUT any gambits you are getting 1 bag per 1 queen ticket, adding gambits only makes it so instead of doing 5 runs you do 1, therefore in theory if deadeye got nerfed to hell people would move onto the next cheese (1/2/3 gambits or just plain kill him for a bag).

Just need to put in diminishing return. That’s it.

Aberrant.6749:

Excalibur.9748:

It makes sense when you consider its synergy with signet of malice. If you’re not using this signet then yes P/P is pure garbage.

Why are you taking so much constant damage to where you need that at range? o.O

Even with signet of malice it’s not a good set.

You have to be built a certain way but it’s pretty solid if you’re built for it. As for why I’m taking so much damage with it…I usually don’t.

P/P is my regen set when I take damage in melee I regen HP back quickly with unload then switch back to S/P.

Azraelle.1683:

Excalibur.9748:

People are still farming deadeye like crazy some people got 800g (should be considered an exploit) from deadeye farming already and will continue to generate money like crazy until you put a stop to it.

And you can’t farm him, poor boy?

Wait, how do you know I can’t farm him?

I never tried tbh. This is borderline exploit, so not touching this with a 10 feet pole.

It makes sense when you consider its synergy with signet of malice. If you’re not using this signet then yes P/P is pure garbage.

p/p is not pure garbage, it has nice synergy with signet of malice. S/P + P/P is my goto setup for dungeons now.

Oh and you should not range the whole time because melee is better than ranged always if you can handle it.

Stop exploiting this guys jeez.

People are still farming deadeye like crazy some people got 800g (should be considered an exploit) from deadeye farming already and will continue to generate money like crazy until you put a stop to it.

Only have combat healer, traveler, and guild warrior.

I display guild warrior cuz that’s the best I got. Everyone has combat healer rofl it’s worthless.

I think it’s fine. The animation is not over exaggerated and it can be hard to tell from a normal AA.

There should be a title for defeating liadri too.

‘Champion of the Queen’s Gauntlet’ – defeat liadri
‘Lightbringer’ – get light up the darkness achieve

Well, similar topics have been made before and the dev has already responded saying this is infact an oversight.

I suggest both titles be added retroactively though.

The spirit ranger may be op, the bandwagon has JUST recently begun though so over the next few days/weeks you may see more rangers popping up from nowhere.

You just robbed yourself the chance to feel like you really accomplished something.

lvis.3824:

I am doing it this way , i would say its safemode – you basicly never have to use your elite + utilslot 2 .

Most important thing in my opinion is the bufffood – you heavily notice when it ran out.
But well i dont’t use ambush trap at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysPQzuzcW9I

And we are doing it for money of course !

what can you buy with that money that you don’t already have??

i mean right now I’m sitting at 70g+ (was at 90+ before spending some yesterday), i spent some gold to get another tab in my tank…which I didn’t even need. I bought some bigger bags as well. I can’t think of what to buy really.

how do you know it’s a 0.7s delay? did you time it?

but yea that’s why I don’t use withdraw in the gauntlet’s tournament. it seems to screw me over more often than not.

There are so many elements to consider already in the fight with liadrai, that I simply did not want to add yet another variable with my heal. I mean when I want to heal I don’t want to roll and withdraw seems to roll even further than a normal dodge. I’ve seen a few liadri fights where they used withdraw and it seems to break the strategy I personally use for phase 2.

the part I don’t understand is…what are you guys farming for?

i mean like there isn’t much to farm for in this game. even though I don’t even have full ascended, I don’t feel like I’m at much of a disadvantage at all.