yes thank you gaile for bringing that to our attention. this is what i felt was right
See nothing to panic over. They’re always listening even if it doesn’t seem like it
There was a big thread way before they announced the prepurchase asking for a slot to be included with the expansion. It wasn’t until after everything blew up(including massively, pc gamer etc) that they went back on it.
I’m not convinced they would have changed this if the freakout wasn’t as large. Even the worst companies know a thing or two about damage control.
I wonder if this means I’ll get another slot, after buying the Ultimate package. If not, RIOT Er, uh, I’ll behave.
Thanks so much, Gaile. Glad the team had such a solid response after all the vitriol.
Gaile confirmed on reddit that you will receive 2 slots.
I still don’t think the expansion has enough to warrant that price. I hope there is a lot more to it than what we’ve seen.
It’s nice that they are including a character though.
A quick update on this one -> After feedback from presenting the original hero point count – we decided getting to level 80 will give you enough hero points to unlock all the core skills and traits entirely. Doing hero challenges (aka skill challenges) will simply allow you to earn all the skills/traits earlier before level 80. With the release of HoT, there will be options to spend the excess hero points earned from doing hero challenges in the world.
There are a number of other changes on 6/23 to make the experience from 1-80 more exciting, better-paced, rewarding, and fun as well after having the time to evaluate and player feedback from the updates last year.
-CJ
You guys are tearing it up. This and the ascended change are awesome.
I think it’s cool that are trying to get new players to join and I don’t mind them rewarding them to do so.
As of now, I just don’t feel the expansion is worth $50. I’m going to buy it and be happy anyways because I’m excited for the revenant and the new specializations, but really think it should have been cheaper.
They changed position on requiring Core for HoT.
They didn’t change the FAQ to reflect the new position.
This would be the dishonest version…
…Which kinda obviously is exactly what happened.
They changed their FAQ when they began the prepurchase. They had already decided how they would do the prepurchase when they began the prepurchase, obviously; and in order to make the assets (website, the rest of the buying interface, FAQ localization and etc), they had to make the decision A LOT before they began the prepurchase.
Besides, with Colin and other high ups in E3, the decision was clearly made some time ago.
Yet they didn’t say anything. They allowed people to continue buying the game in order to prepare for HoT, even with said money being effectively wasted.
You said yourself what this is.
I guess so, good thing they’re allowing people to get refunds from recent purchases then.
Only purchases that were made directly through them. Sucks for all those people that bought from amazon, humble bundle and other retailers.
The precedent being set is every 3 years you pay 50-ish bucks to play gw2. I see no problem with that.
It’s more along the lines of, every 3 years abandon your primary account if you want to get the same value out of the package as a new customer. Once again, I’m glad customers get the opportunity to take advantage of these types of bundles. The lower the barrier for entry to them, the better. However, I cannot, currently, purchase a product of equal value to them at this time. I have already purchased vanilla in the past, I have no use for it now, so there is no logical reason for me, and a surprisingly large number of other customers, to purchase a current bundle.
The easiest solution to this would honestly be for Anet to just separate the bundle into two codes, one for vanilla, one for HoT, as this makes no difference for new players, and gives the exact same product value of the bundle into the hands of old players. There are simple solutions to this “problem” that would appease those who are hesitant to purchase the expansion at the moment. The marketing team just needs to design logical bundles of new players and old players, and then the criticism for all of this will die down significantly. Of course it’s important to realize that even if they Anet does change something with their current bundles, it will take some time for them to do so. Change doesn’t happen overnight, if it happens at all. That being said, for those that share my opinion on the matter, we need to be patient, but at the same time not be afraid to continue voicing our opinion. Likewise, those who think the bundles are fair are free to do so as well.
We can have both “White Knights” and “Entitled Crybabies” (like me!) on this forum debating. It’s what a forum is for after all: exchanging ideas and views on relevant issues.
So how do you answer the fact that WoW is doing this very thing now? That it makes sense for a company to do. That by not doing it they’re hurting their own game, they’re hurting their bottom line and yes, they’d be hurting their veteran players?
Wow bundles all expansions except the most current one together. In order to play their most recent expansion WoD you have to buy the base game, which includes vanilla up to mop. So $19.99 + $49.99 for a brand new player. Buying warlords of draenor without the base game doesn’t do anything for you. Of course a new player could just buy the base game, but they would only be able to access content up to level 90 where the new level cap is 100.
WoD by itself doesn’t include any precious expansions or vanilla.
I would still buy it. I’m mostly interested in the new class and specializations. The challenging group content is possibly another reason I would buy it.
I think this could be a much larger issue than HoT being overpriced. It’s a bit unfortunate that everyone is all up in arms about HoT pricing.
What happens when they change it again?
Guild wars 2 has one of the best pve mmorpg communities. PvP is pretty terrible, but that is likely due to the displeasure of PvPers being largely neglected since the launch of the game, all the while Anet keeps chanting “Esports! Esports! Esports!”.
In all seriousness though, the GW2 community is pretty great.
Beta weekends are enough for me to prepurchase. I like to preorder games just to get it out of the way when I know I will buy the game at some point anyways.
Currently at 1980, the players spoke and they are not amused.
It’s already the 4th most upvoted thread of all time in the GW2 subreddit. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it become #1 by the end of the day. Only a few hundred away.
I’m hesitant to purchase HoT because I feel they are over pricing the expansion by quite a bit. From the information we’ve been given I would have expected the expansion to cost a max of $40 and that would have also included a character slot.
With the release of more information, namely, “challenging group content”, I think it is still possible that the expansion is worth the $50 price, but will still be hard to swallow knowing that I’ll have to fork out another $10 for an additional character slot. Pretty much makes this expansion $60.
I would be willing to pay $100 for the standard edition as long as the content provided justified the cost. HoT has always felt more like a DLC than an expansion pack to me. That could also be the lack of information on it. I just can’t believe they are asking for prepurchases without releasing more info about it.
In the end I will be buying HoT because I am excited for the new specializations and the new profession.
I can’t believe they priced it this high. There just doesn’t seem to be enough to warrant that price tag.
I’ll probably wait for the next scheduled beta weekend before buying.
I look forward to some drastic things to change the game up. I don’t even really care too much about some of my favorite builds being abolished by these changes. It will be fun to play around and test new builds.
Oh man, this really sucks. This makes the gear grind even more necessary than ever. It’s a terrible move to make ascended more powerful than it was previously.
I would like the option to sell items back to vendors for the same amount of currency spent. WoW does this and allows an hour to sell the items back. Not only will it help with issues like this, but it also allows us to try items out before fully committing to the purchase.
A few months ago I had an unfortunate accident in regards to choosing a duplicate ascended armor piece and support was able to help me out. It took awhile for them to reply, but when they did they completely fixed my problem.
The only problem I have is with the possibility of having to grind out skill challenges on each of my characters. It’s really not a huge deal though. I’m looking forward to the current builds being changed up, after 3 years it will be very welcoming. A couple small negatives will never outweigh the dozen positives.
Needless to say, I’m very excited for HoT.
Maybe if the games playerbase in the Australia area becomes large enough they will do something about it. World of Warcraft recently opened some Australian/NZ servers due to a large amount of players in that area.
You didn’t get the point – I’m not against so called “ballance”. I’m against taking something from me I’ve already earned. I’m not going to grind through four hundred and fifty-five skill challenges (on 7 alts) to get my viable builds back. It’s not gonna happen.
That’s what I’m saying. It’s ridiculous to think that they would do this to us. They made it sound like this isn’t the type of thing they want us to be forced to do.
I want it to speed up as well. Not because there isn’t anything to do, there is a ton of content in the game. I’m just ready to play some of these new specializations and the revenant profession.
I like the social aspects of dungeons. I couldn’t count the amount of people I’ve helped through their first dungeon. I don’t get the same kind of interaction in the open world. In the open world others might as well be npcs. The open world does not require the communication and coordination that I sometimes get from dungeons.
I’ve never even taken a look at the achievements given from doing dungeons.
I haven’t been playing much GW2, except for the occasional log in for the reward.
I’ve been:
Playing WoW
Playing Swtor for its story, gameplay just isn’t as good as WoW.
playing HoTS. This is the first MOBA that I actually enjoy.
playing Diablo 3
I’ve been thinking about resubbing to Eve online now that I have a few hours a day available to play games, but I don’t really want to be subbed to 3 games at once.
I’m just excited to try some of the new specializations. I don’t think I will like the new zones and I don’t enjoy the PvP in GW2, so I will likely be playing the specializations in old zones and dungeons.
I don’t play a whole lot of GW2, but the “challenging group content” has me very interested. Maybe it will be something that I can sink a dozen hours a week into.
Teq and TT can’t be considered challenging, all it takes is a crap load of players (WAY more than raids, mind you).
It took nearly a month to figure out the mechanics to Teq since no one knew how to dodge the waves properly, the poison pools at the time pretty much two shotted you without the help of turrets, and there was a limited time to even kill him, even when there was 100 people FULLY participating. Go back in the forums far enough and you’ll see some players at the time crying for a nerf. Not too sure on TT since my server seems to be the least organized for that.
If I remember correctly, Tequatl was defeated in less than 24 hours after the update. That doesn’t speak challenging to me.
It was more than 24 hours. And it was defeated by a group of 150 organized players that were all on voice chat. For weeks after, servers still failed Tequatl regularly.
According to this it was under 24 hours. Other article states that there were 3 servers that killed him in the first 24 hours.
From what I remember many servers were defeating him within a week. The real challenge was getting into the main overflow.
After a couple weeks he was on farm for many servers.
edit.. There are many youtube videos confirming less than 24 hour kill too.
I don’t think it’s really possible to have difficult open world group content. I’m not entirely sure I would consider any PvE to be difficult anyways considering it’s just a game of remembering a few attacks etc. That could be because I consider myself a PvP player though.
Teq and TT can’t be considered challenging, all it takes is a crap load of players (WAY more than raids, mind you).
It took nearly a month to figure out the mechanics to Teq since no one knew how to dodge the waves properly, the poison pools at the time pretty much two shotted you without the help of turrets, and there was a limited time to even kill him, even when there was 100 people FULLY participating. Go back in the forums far enough and you’ll see some players at the time crying for a nerf. Not too sure on TT since my server seems to be the least organized for that.
If I remember correctly, Tequatl was defeated in less than 24 hours after the update. That doesn’t speak challenging to me.
It sounds like the game just isn’t for you. Anet set out to make an mmo that was different than WoW and all of its clones. This game fills a niche that few other mmos have touched.
The announcement of raids would be a pretty big deal for a lot of mmo players. Lack of endgame is one of the biggest complaints I have seen about GW2 from players in other games/forums.
Maybe the announcement of raids is something they are planning for E3.
Sounds like the challenging content they were talking about is instanced. I’m going to comfortably guess that the content in question are raids. The raid CDI and them hiring a raid designer makes it a pretty safe bet in my eyes.
I am a bit concerned about the size of HoT. There just doesn’t appear to be enough content being released with HoT. I am holding on to the challenging instanced content bit.
Not only is the size of the expansion concerning to me, but the original game lacks replayability in my opinion and so far HoT will do next to nothing to address that. I think that might be a bigger problem overall.
If Anet really doesn’t plan on adding dungeons to the game with HoT or any updates after, I could see inspecting being fairly useless. At the same time, If they do follow through with some of the suggestions in the raid cdi, inspecting will be more important than ever.
They can’t add gearscore because there is no gear progression.
of course there is.. What do you think the blue, yellow, orange and pink font means? Blue, and yellow are largely irrelevant considering the ease of obtaining exotic, but progressing from exotic to ascended is easy task.
I have close to a thousand hours logged and haven’t even finished a complete armor set of ascended.
2 tiers of gear (1 of them is just an overpriced gimmick that offers almost no advatage) is not enough to create any kind of gearscore system.
I know, I was being pedantic. I didn’t delete my post soon enough.
A lot of people have been asking for these things since before the game launched. I personally don’t care too much about inspecting, even though it would be nice.
I am very interested in having dueling added to the open world though. There were too many times I was just sitting around waiting for a boss to spawn with nothing to do but tab out.
