Guild Wars 2

Reilem.5910:

And because you can do this dungeon you are a pve hero? Thanks man, you’re a really nice guy.

Nope, no one is, there isn’t such a thing. The problem is people THINKING they are BUT lack basic knowledge of even knowing how to play their class, knowing what other classes are capable of, let alone trying to learn an encounter and it’s mechanics. This is why many are NOT sympathetic to those that balk and sulk and QQ when failing content.

And admittedly, I’m not all that nice.

Goose.5196:

Well, I will accept Rangers are good when they get rid of the dodge bug on the Sword auto-attack.

Turn off auto-attack. Develop timing with pressing #1. Press a direction key between #1 presses, then dodge, problem solved.

Grinding your summer away is the problem. If this game started to be your “job” for an entire summer, quit the game, in fact probably quit gaming in general. You sound like a possible addict. Summer’s almost over, go enjoy it, go enjoy life.

Reilem.5910:

Player Character.9467:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_of_the_Avenger
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sanctuary
you can’t make 360degree projectile block? what?

But this is a dungeon, and part of the Dungeon Master achievement imo it should be up to par with other dungeons so that people who just want some completion can get it.
I hope that some people can understand my logic on this one. I personally understand this dungeon and think it would be easy if everyone knew what to do. But that’s the problem, no one knows what to do.

Therein lies the problem, people thinking they are PVE heroes and believing they are entitled to the DM title.

I think I should start running this path even more and start charging for slots…

Vekrom.6890:

I don’t understand why people keep trying the same thing expecting different results. I wiped trying to DPS it down at the beginning. I wiped trying take spiders as they come.

Oh hang on a sec, what if I kite the little buggers? Just get a condition removal for cripple and run circles around the big tree. The spiders are slow and as long as you keep moving their venom will miss.

I did it with 2 others, the other two left. It’s doable.

I applaud you sir for being a good player and figuring out a solution and reaping in the 60 tokens and 1g, unlike many that continue to start these threads and expect facerolling through content.

Bambu.4270:

You’re missing the point here. We could have a proper boss with actual mechanics but no you just keep trashing everyone who has enough brains to vote for a change. Game breaking reflects and massive dps before boss uses any move is simply preposterous and should be punished severely.

But it does have mechanics:
1) Open window to burn it down before the first shake
2) Double dodge during tree shakes to prevent spider spawns
3) Use reflection should there be spiders
4) Should spiders do spawn, and you have no confidence in your team dps to finish off the tree fast, IMMEDIATELY burn those adds down, while double dodging to prevent further adds. Group them up to cleave them down fast.

This boss has more mechanics than many other bosses in this game. Successful groups (organized or pugs) that down him understand these mechanics whether or not they 1 shot the tree, or fail and down the tree AFTER the room is full of spiders. It’s a boss that punishes failure, making your kill of it even more satisfying when you down him after failure (yes you can do it when the room is full of spiders).

All this might not say much, but to flat out say this boss is broken, no mechanics, etc. is a flat-out admission that you may want to reconsider how good you think you are at this game.

fuji.6283:

ForGreatJustice.3452:

It’s an issue of whether people can save money or continue to spend their funds when they have them. True, OP may have crafted/bought 1600 GS over a long period of time, but OP chose that over avoiding the MF completely and save 100%. I have little sympathy for people taking the gambling route AND gripe about it.

Opinions are opinions but I chose the way that worked most for me. I don’t have the time to grind and grind another summer break (which is almost up) to getting the rest of the gold I need. If you can and is willing, great. But, I was fortunate enough to set enough time with other priorities I have in life to even save up to 300 Gold.

Then live with it and move on, don’t make another “I burned X gold/Y rares at the MF and failed” thread. You chose the path of potential least resistance, and got burned for it because RNG decided to be RNG.

With such abysmal % chance of getting a precursor from MF, be grateful we can even buy them from the TP.

It’s an issue of whether people can save money or continue to spend their funds when they have them. True, OP may have crafted/bought 1600 GS over a long period of time, but OP chose that over avoiding the MF completely and save 100%. I have little sympathy for people taking the gambling route AND gripe about it.

If you have cash, buy from TP. Exotics are cheap now.

If you don’t have cash, still buy from TP. Buy lvl 80 greens, and go full zerker. Then use http://www.gw2lfg.com. Find a group that isn’t listing specific requests from pugs.

Easy dungeon paths: CoF p1/2, AC p1/3. CoF are braindead easy that you can pick up without any real handholding explanations. AC p1/3 I suggest watching a few vids to understand some specific mechanics, but you’ll find them very fast.

5g just from daily completion of those paths + 26s/path which is the minimum reward + champ bags/wondrous bags + vendoring blues/greens will net you a decent amount of gold in about 1 hour. Plus you’ll start getting tokens and can purchase gear over the course of every few days.

Wrong, we’ve been merged…

I’m thinking of some kitten kitten builds for someone that tends to not use their dodge key or memorize attack animations:

1) Ranger SB/LB with bear pets, staying at maxed range
2) Guardian H/GS/Staff AH build wearing knights gear
3) Thief D/D/SB apothecary death blossom spam while equipping signet of malice

swiftpaw.6397:

This dungeon has made me want to go outside and BURN DOWN THE GROVE.. er I mean burn down all the kitten trees I can see because it’s so freaking hard.

But Quip is soooo awesome! I still love mine 6 months after having made it.

OP is stating changes in location NOT due to patch updates. That’s a bit weird.

Almost there…

swiftpaw.6397:

I’m getting pretty angry that nothing has been DONE about this yet. >:(

OMG. The tree’s consume attack on the NPC can actually kill you?!?!?! That’s more OP than the spiders or my wall of reflection/shield of the avenger combo.

I quit this game now.

Best solution, start playing melee ranger. You’ll see better numbers.

Nikaido.3457:

Heylo.4938:

This is happening in my guild too. If you don’t make it in time to be first in line for the dungeon groups, you’re not getting your dungeons done.

and you’re not going to run them again casually with other people because there is no point (20 token, no silver drops etc).

And that is the heart of why I hate this patch. Being on PST, I’m going to be behind my east coast friends in starting dungeons after resets. And my Aussie and Kiwi friends are going to suffer even more in not being able to group with us easily.

If anet saw that we were earning TOO MANY tokens per hour or whatever, then why not just reduce the number of earned tokens per run yet allow us to earn the new maximum tokens without the daily gold with our alts? That was the main reason why I had alts kitted out for dungeons, to earn tokens faster.

Devs don’t come here. Some sort of anti-dev repellant permeates from the subforum.

Arsenic Touch.7960:

So they nerfed an already trivial fight? or are you talking about how it was previously easy? if they actually nerfed it again… the frack is Anet thinking.

I blame kids these days.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

colesy.8490:

Video links please.

I’m not claiming you’re wrong, I want to see it.

If it turns out that engineers do actually have strong burst then they may be incorporated in to the meta like rangers have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zWbiMULRW4

Wow, I’m speechless… that was awesome.

colesy.8490:

What

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-Path-3-Forward-and-Up-Final-Boss/first#post2581226

Read the 5th post and be enlightened.

I see Cookie has already done so…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-Spider-Queen-Boss-Tree/first#post2581037

For the record, it CAN be done even if you mess up the first attempt (like last night for me). You can clear out spiders near the entrance, dodge when tree shakes to prevent spider adds, have ranged go in and lay down some good attacks, run out when back recluse spiders start charging you. Let them reset, rinse repeat.

Amun Ra.6435:

I don’t think a lot of people are bothering with dungeons right now because of the event.

That’s very true, but then again, we’ve been having events every two weeks. The people that were running dungeons while still doing the LS updates are the ones that’ll dictate the next set of dungeon statistics (frequency, popularity, etc.). I think those that weren’t running dungeons before are not really going to start up. Questionable gold spread on paths, no new revamps or changes to existing dungeons… I really can’t see new dungeon goers making an impact in whatever metrics ANet uses to determine their dungeon direction.

If anything, I would guess people as a whole will be doing less dungeons than before.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Tawa.3180:

IndigoSundown.5419:

If they set the rewards low to begin with, they can then adjust upwards depending on reactions and statistics. They would then be praised for listening. Or they could set rewards high and then adjust downwards. They would then be reviled for taking something away from the players. I know which route I’d go if I were in their chairs.

I don’t think they’re that clever to pull a New Coke on us.

You can think that. However, if you think the rewards are too low in the majority of dungeons, you’d do well to hope I’m right.

Argentina is being piloted with the green can coke, using stevia as the sweetner instead of high fructose corn syrup, apartame, glucose…

I digress, I’m just frustrated that my alts are sitting in a corner wondering “if only we were running in the optimized dungeon clear group instead of that stupid sw/wh ranger of his, we might be able to earn our keep.”

If the goal is to reintroduce the population different dungeon paths and increase popularity, the devs should start keeping tabs paths on what’s being run frequently post-patch.

Just posting a few dungeon lfgs real quick, just to see if the unpopular ones are getting more love. Today near primetime NA 6:30ish EST.

My conclusion? Not really

Kirschwasser.3972:

ForGreatJustice.3452:

I just feel bad for new players. Don’t MMOs typically make older gear EASIER and FASTER to obtain as the game ages?

Certainly not in GW1.

Hmm… good point based on what I hear from my friends regarding that game.

You might want to economize your token usage now since you won’t get max tokens if you do clears with an alt.

I just feel bad for new players. Don’t MMOs typically make older gear EASIER and FASTER to obtain as the game ages?

Buttercup.5871:

The market is stuffed to the rim with molten cores. For nearly a year scores of people have been running CoF 1 every day about 5 to 10 times a day. Other than that, molten cores drop from all kinds of bags (including WvW loot bags), fractals (the 2nd most popular dungeon), fire elementals all over Tyria, imps, chests, you name it.

If I compare this with the Molten facility, which only ran for one month, and which gave most people 1 sentinel’s intricate insignia (rare quality) per run, which took much longer than 1 CoF run; and seeing that the market is still stuffed with those insiginas, I think the molten cores in people’s banks should run in the millions.

I just sold a second batch of 100 when the buy orders were up near 8silver. At the time, seemed like demand exceed TP supply. Just checked spidy, buy orders under 7 again. Fun to always watch these things.

Even suboptimal groups can still kill Alpha cleanly if they stack on him and of course dodge/evade when appropriate. It’ll just take longer.

stof.9341:

ForGreatJustice.3452:

Fastest clears we achieve are without a doubt with me being on ranger, and I feel I play her the worst out of all my characters.

I have yet to try CoE on my ranger. How do you keep your pet alive and doing some DPS then? During the Alpha fights I mean.

If we’re talking about path 2 and 3 Alphas, the pet health buffs over subsequent patches can make your pet take 2 ice spikes (I think, can’t recall exactly). With proper group stacking the earth spikes will not hit your pet. I use jungle stalker and jaguar. I swap pets after that 2nd spike (pet is almost dead around then) and rinse and repeat. However the pets may die on the 2nd and 3rd Alpha fight, but by then Alpha is nearly dead.

Ranger personal DPS isn’t the sole nor main contributor to group damage, that’s the job of spotter + frost spirit with the improved activation trait.

KOPPER.1458:

Seems like guilds who run dungeons a lot are going for AH builds with boon uptime. Please correct me if I am wrong on this but haven’t seen to many videos show casing full zerker guardians. Is it even worth it? Warriors do more damage. I am sure I am missing something here if this is the case.

One example: 0/30/0/30/10 sw/f for PVE dungeon build. Not 100% true zerker traiting, but Zeal line doesn’t synergize with 1h weapons well. PoV enhances utility of shouts for groups, and 10 Virtues for consecrations reduced cd. Wearing full zerk gear with scholar runes, your empowering might can realistically maintain 10-14 stacks of group might by yourself depending on how often you’re critting with sword 1 chain (around ~90% crit rate with fury).

This is what I run, and I’m actually starting to see more guardians in pugging run something similar.

Aegis IS one of the guard’s main strengths. No other class can provide on-demand aegis to nearby allies reliably (mesmer using SoI to provide aegis doesn’t count because it requires the mesmer having it already, hence not on-demand, reliable).

Also, not all classes can chain blinds like guardians can. VoJ traited (aoe blind, and spammable in PVE and WvW zerg v zerg) sword 2 (short cd), gs 3 (only 15 sec, not bad), focus 4 (can be aoe blind). All in all, guards can produce lots of blinds, and I would count that as a strength.

Chryzo.8906:

again… you don’t need any kind of setup to beat him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_BkiPlAvg or with even worse players : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITgf2O0aZvY (am gonna be bashed if my guild sees that one ^^)
and i have done that path also with PUGs no pb.

and so I think this boss is not that hard, though if you fail on first try, it becomes a bit harder. They should not nerf it, just fix the reset so spiders despawn.

I tried to look for the guardian’s WoR, Shield of the Avenger, shield 5, but nothing up to about 4 mins in. AND he used a few revive orbs. Such dedication.

At least there isn’t verbal abuse being tossed out left and right by for either preventing completion or completing it unlike Champ Giant in Arah gate chain. Most people I see for phase 2 just tag the champs and then focus on spikes. Phase 1, if you want it to go faster, convince others to go run and plant the bombs instead of spamming 1 on the charzooka. Wall goes down in no time with a bunch of bomb runners doing the event.

Wukunlin.8461:

I can’t find my compilation of TA F/U links, anyone know where it is?

I can’t find your compilation, but I found Swiftpaw’s from:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-F-U-IMPOSSIBRU/first#post2530762

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Nerf-TA-F-U
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-Where-did-all-the-spiders-come-from
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Please-FIX-the-dungeon-Boss-Encounters
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-F-U-boss-solo
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-naked-edition
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-path-fwd-up
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-Final-Boss-Question-Problem
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Nice-TA-path3-kitten-up-there
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-spiders-change
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Issue-with-Twilight-Arbor-last-path
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-EXP-Forward-Up

Latinkuro.9420:

Balkanwarrior.5132:

No offense to any of the PvE tryhards, but if I have money and want a certain dungeons armor, or title for achievment points, Im going to find someone who’s able to get what I need done and pay them for it. Sure, I COULD go through the dungeon myself, but Im willing to pay for the convenience and professionalism of somebody/somebodies who are experienced in running the dungeon.

Either way, just like the debate over people who buy their legendaries vs people who make them, it really doesn’t matter and if you make a big deal about it you’re wasting your time

The only reason this bugs me is because I want to run the dungeon NOT buy a spot !
and pretty much no one wants to run it now, guess that will change with the new dungeon revamp, at least I hope it does otherwise I’m screwed :S

And I’m already dungeon master its not like i need to learn any of the paths !

Seems like there are people running Arah to me.

http://www.gw2crafts.com

Enjoy.

At any rate, you should be guesting to other servers when the chain is down on your home server. Unless you don’t care about optimizing the amount of exp. you earn in your play time.

+1
While we’re at it, let’s make the DM achievement/title provide the award of allowing you to open any dungeon with any character. I’m tired of having to run story modes on all my alts just so I can reliably open a dungeon for groups.

Nice work wethospu. One technical issue I’m having is that when I click on mob for info, I can’t seem to get rid of the info panel (remains covering up part of the browser).

Aidendale.4178:

That shouldn’t make a difference with the champion loot dropping lodestones according to most. I would think the two would cancel each other out. I suspect you are right about the COF nerf, but that shouldn’t have hit the market yet.

You haven’t checked the prices on molten cores and lodestones then I’m guessing.

Prices jump from nearly just under 4 silver right about 7 silver. Sharp trend started around when Colin announced the dungeon rewards revamp coming next update. Correlation or coincidence? You decide, but I think people are panicking already so I’m dumping some of my stock and turning in around 85% profit of my investment.

Wesnoth.1705:

Player Character.9467:

you’re supposed to break the door to the cage to get out -_-

usually takes 1 guardian hammer auto chain to break it for me but ive never done fractals above 21level yet

No difference at higher levels. That cage is made up of paper. Range weapons I think may have problems with them similar to AC burrows, but honestly, you SHOULD have a melee weapon already.

aeneq.1760:

• You’ll be rewarded according to your personal level
• If your personal level is equal or lower then the fractal level then your level will increase
• You can only start a fractal at a level equal or lower than your personal level
• Even fractal levels over lvl 10 will feature a 4th fractal (Maw) which will include a daily bonus chest.
• You can get one bonus chest per day for ranges 10-18, 20-28, 30-38, 40-48 (ie max 4 per day)
• Increasing level of fractal will increase chance of good loot
• Overall rule for agony is fractal level-5, the more the diff the more the damage
• Maw has unavoidable agony (lvl 48 requires special classes or tricks to complete)

Did I forget something?

Mainly that the daily chests can produce rings starting at lvl 10 daily, and weapon skins at lvl 20 daily.

Also I would argue about “higher quality loot” at higher levels. I’ve gotten a lot 40-48 runs giving me only greens on the Maw chest, not to mention jack squat in the earlier chests.

@OP I suggest running the 10-18 daily (do evens only, you want that Maw chest), and get used to dodging agony attacks from bosses. Also, don’t get used to the facetanking mobs anything below lvl 38. Lots of mobs will one shot you i.e. dredge at higher levels. Use the time to learn their mechanics, know when to dodge, swap/utilize proper utilities per pull, basic dungeon 101 stuff.

MamoN.2745:

August 6 will be everywhere – lfg / LFM zerker warr . The only thing that will change it will be in a group of guardian but not everywhere.

Add spotter/frost spirit sw/wh ranger to LFG requests. I started running mine in my organized CoE groups. I had to convince my friends a bit, til they finally decided to humor me . We consist of 1mes, 2warr, 1LH ele, and X (X is me swapping in warr, guard, ranger, or thief). We are all full zerker, without cheating in a nonzerker piece.

Fastest clears we achieve are without a doubt with me being on ranger, and I feel I play her the worst out of all my characters.

Back on topic, like I said a while ago, lfg posts requesting zerker setups will migrate to other dungeons. People are already clearing them in full zerk, so the farmers will also continue to request them when they do their optimal dungeon daily clears.

I’m over this whole “election” already. Bring me Quaggan Cuddle Hour instead.

There is an actual mechanic to Alpha 2 and 3 but we all ignore it.

For a while, my friends and I tried testing how his ice spike can stay on a ranged person throughout a fight and the ground spikes stay only on those in melee range, so that those in melee do not have to ever dodge if they stack properly i.e. not overlap their ground spike red circles. However, he swaps the ice spike randomly it seems (couldn’t figure out why he would swap, thought Spire blinding powder might have changed aggro table, but even then he would swap).

If Anet could make that work consistently, or modify the fight where the ice spike is undodgable and force one person to stay at range to be the bait for it, then the fight could be a bit more interesting (would also slow down the run, which I think Anet wants ultimately, more time sink bs). But right now, it’s a total dps race and Alpha is a punching bag.

Rottaran Owain.6789:

The risk of getting something meaningless is rather high. Even if you don’t get extra, unnecessary clovers, you can still get trash like t6 leather, and unless you’re getting armored scales and vials of powerful blood, you’re probably only breaking even gold-wise.

This is why I suggest doing this recipe multiple times (10-20 times), not just once or twice a day.

Look at all the possible outcomes and % reported (true, sample could always be bigger, but let’s use it for sake of argument)
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mystic_Clover/Drop_rate

Then consider the price of T6 mats. You’re bound to do better than just “breaking even” assuming RNG doesn’t screw you over.