Guild Wars 2

Djinn.9245:

With the new Mastery system, it isn’t true that you can simply play as you like without consequence to your character. However to stay on-topic, it is true that if you don’t like WvW you can simply go without a Legendary weapon. I am simply questioning the strategy of locking the flashiest item that is probably desired by the most players behind a niche game mode that not everyone wants to play.

Well when the game was set up, the game mode wasn’t niche and everyone did want to play it.. it just hasn’t kept up somehow. There isn’t a way to prove your last statement, is it the flashiest item, is it desired by the most players, does nobody want to play it? Given that legendaries sell quite well on the TP whereas there are none of that chak egg sac thing that guy was ranting about yesterday.. and given how many invisible shoe threads get made.. I’d say there were flashier things.

I don’t disagree with you, I don’t want to wvw to get my next legendary but I will because that’s how you get the gift of battle for them. It isn’t a stress-inducing nightmare of a game mode (that would be SAB to me), just a bit boring. If you really want a legendary, just do enough a night until you get the gift and then don’t do any more. I’d support putting the vendor back and having a track.

Personally I’m very pragmatic and have you all turned down to gray blobs. Much like the music slider there should be a player visual slider so I can still appreciate the landscape but for now.. blobs. Some bling does still show up and if you stand near me (or I stand near you) I do get more detail.

I got both in sales a long time ago, in shared slots they were already awesome, with the right click salvage feature all they are even better.
I salvage greens and lower with the copper-fed and after checking the TP for anything worth selling I then silver-fed the remaining rares.
Exotics I still use BL kits on.

Djinn.9245:

If you have to know how to look for people, that means that they are hard to find…

Isn’t one of your complaints that the maps are too complex? So it’s not much of a stretch to imagine that there are 20 people on a complex map that you can’t see. Given how HoT maps are structured, people could easily be doing a boss in the canopy, an outpost, the pylons on the opposite side of the map, one of the lanes, the daily for that map.

Use the LFG and mapchat, it’s what they are there for. Saying “hi” in mapchat will get you a response. "anyone want to help me with… " or “anyone else need…” will get you a response. Popping a tag helps further.

It’s also equally possible to say this about core maps. I was in Diessa the other day and barely saw anyone. I was only there about 30 seconds to get the pact supply agent thing but sure, why not make a thread about core being dead..

You can play how you like. You just can’t get the wvw stuff unless you do some wvw. Nobody is making you play wvw.
But wait you say.. legendaries require wvw components! So play without a legendary then…

I think the problem here is that in your instance:
I love wvw (not really but we’re pretending)
You are “forced” to do wvw.
You believe I will be mad you are forced to play alongside me.
You are wrong. If you are my enemy I enjoy killing you, if you are my ally I enjoy the assist capturing keeps.
Maybe you’ll even realise that wvw with a group is actually quite good fun!

Or you can just be mad at the game, I don’t really care. I just got on with it, got what I needed and am back enjoying PvE with my legendary.

I wouldn’t be mad if it was changed so you didn’t need a wvw component. I’m not going to sit around waiting for that change however.. ymmv.

I don’t think the OP is complaining about HoT maps but about the starter maps.

I’d suggest if you’re seeing problems in any map, use map chat, join a guild or 5, pop onto their teamspeak/voicechat.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

NO you can not rely on people to sort themselves out, it does not work.

It mostly works from the times I’ve done it.
You just need one active commander to start/oversee it.
Where I find it goes wrong is when some guy says “make me lt and I’ll sort people out”.
You should never, never give that guy any power.

People know they need to open chests, swap instances. Some can’t move to a lobby first and really.. who cares. Yet every time someone just goes from 2 to 3 there’ll be five people who grass them up. A good commander just ignores them, the usually terrible lt’s love the power to kick people.

When I was doing multimap I would hold an instance open and chat with the squad. I don’t run AB much anymore but if I did I wouldn’t bother making conversation or helping out. Good commander, fun group.. ruined by the idiot who asks for and gets the completely unnecessary power to kick people.

Aquarius.7948:

“Pok’e’mon go”

It’s a basic mistake to conflate the success of one game with another.
You should look at all the other threads that have suggested an app and see how most people do not want one.

If this constitutes criminal behaviour, use google to find how to report it outside of GW2. In the UK you can report it to the IWF for instance. Elsewhere you may need to report it to your local police force.

Either use the guild forum to find a guild or, when in game, keep an eye out for which guilds advertise and join one of those. You can join up to 5 so you could join a wvw guild, a pve guild and a roleplay guild if you so wanted.

All the classes are good for pve and each race is also worth experiencing. I’d start with a guardian and a necro but others might say warrior and mesmer. Pretty easy to level so try them all.

onio.6403:

all the hours I lost

Lost hours? If anything you’ve gained hours to do something else.

I was kicking myself a bit as I hadn’t completed the last daily before we lost the servers. If only I’d got that in, I thought to myself.
Then with the rollback I probably haven’t done any of the dailies.. so now I feel better about not getting that last one in.

Spent the downtime playing Doom. Lots of fun.

DAN.7829:

How do people make money in HoT maps, i try and its awful and i always die, and also i do tend to blow alot of money near i say, 30g a day

If you’re spending that kind of money a day, you should consider buying gems as you’re clearly enjoying the game a lot.
AB would be where I’d say go farm. If you are constantly dying.. get a better build? If you’re glass cannon / zerker add some tankier stats via trinkets. If you’re not exotic.. consider getting exotic gear, if you’re exotic upgrade to ascended. You should be joining a zerg in AB so will not be dying if you’re doing that.

Timberfox.3961:

I am getting really tired of killing a mob, only to have it respawn immediately in the same spot where it just died.

If a mob has a spawn point, it’s always going to spawn there. If you just killed it.. move away from the place you killed it. The solution is player based rather than mob based.

Pretty sure that if you max the tyria mastery lines you get spirit shards in core tyria when you level. So it’s also gated in core, not sure why we’re fixated on HoT.

DoomKnightMax.6592:

The Guild Wars 2 community needs to let go of the “everything for everyone” mentality, in all game types.

bit harsh.. and the reverse is also true. Anyone who believes they’re “gud” because they got something once upon a time needs to get over it.

I’m sure something in-between would suit both anet’s financial model and the communities desire to have stuff that isn’t currently available.

looks at recently locked thread.. they are listening.

Jhoul.6923:

Now, the maps are too empty sooo for the last month I haven’t been able to complete an Outpost because ppl are on pvp or on the new map.

Are you using a timer to check when the meta happens? That is the best time to get onto a map and also when you’re most likely to see LFG filling up.

Pifil.5193:

The worst are the Core Tyria Mastery Points IMO, so few of them available at all.

Confused by this, they’re all available…

1 -3 check
4 panic flail arms overcome with adrenalin desperately try to imagine actually succeeding this time go blind from sweat dripping into eyes forget how to use fingers
5 if not dead then go back to 1

having done it once I’d really like to just take a knee behind the shield please on other toons

Harper.4173:

Basically I’m just getting a lot of “I like X race” but do you think that it’s worth it in the long run? Look at how pitifully few armor skins HoT came with?

and how many less skins would there have been if there was only one race?

I only played GW2 because of multiple playable races otherwise there are tons of other completely the same MMOs to play.

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Before the current wheel-style skill unlock system in our Hero panel, there was a skill tree system .

I’m not disagreeing with you that the old system was changed for a new one but in terms of apples and oranges we’re comparing a massively different skill system and one level of masteries.

I personally don’t care whether they do anything to allow people to get shards without doing raids and you’ve already said you’ll probably just go and do part of a raid to unlock masteries which, pragmatically, is the approach I’d take. But if we look at the new skill system being better than the old one and raids making for a better GW2 experience.. then this isn’t reverting a development, it’s improving it.

This is how the copper/silver fed salvaging tools work, they just stay in a shared slot.
Would be a nice improvement if the gathering tools could also do this. Right click harvest with this tool maybe same as the right click / salvage function.

Djinn.9245:

GW2 used to be a game in which I could gain XP for my character in any way I chose:

You can still do this.

Djinn.9245:

With the introduction of HoT, this has been changed to ONLY getting XP through the Mastery system. I no longer have a choice how I progress my character because there aren’t enough MP in any of the single modes for me to play ONLY how I choose.

You still get XP in all the ways you talked about until you are 80. Nothing changed. HoT ADDED post 80 progression, nothing about the old GW2 changed for levelling. If you want to play ONLY how you choose you’ll nerf yourself in core as well. I have no idea how much it would cost in time or money to level just by crafting (or even what the point would be) but a normal person, as we are being general about the playerbase here, will do hearts and map completion and try a dungeon and a fractal and the crafting system and so on. Post 80, with the new HoT stuff you are still doing all those things. What things do you hate that is stopping you get MPs? Surely all the things that pre-HoT you count as “playing your way”? What specifically do you need. I can’t promise I can get you those things but I’d be happy to come try unless it was anything in Dry Top as I am not a fan of it, makes me itchy.

[/quote]You suggest “in the meantime, try raids, might even enjoy them”. I am not a child, I am an adult who knows what I like and doesn’t need “Mommy” Anet telling me to “try brocolli, you might like it”. I play games for enjoyment, not to be dictated how I should “play”.[/quote]
Well that was a bit unexpected, sorry if I made you feel like you need “mommy” or something. Try raids.. why not? I have never tried brocolli, I’m pretty sure I am not going to like it and I have this really nice cake I’m going to eat instead. I’ve heard (pretty sure I’m being set up for something here) that cakes with stuff in them are just like cake. So carrot cake (don’t like carrots unless sliced in a can), aubergine and lime cake (never had or want to have aubergine), beetroot and chocolate cake (actually I’d try this). So I’m stretching a point, I’ll stop. You might like a raid was all I was trying to say, was not trying to trigger you.

Paulytnz.7619:

sophiewhite.3149:

The V.8759:

Gaile,
I am asking the following question just out of curiosity :
Can’t things like this be taken to Court to shut down the site? Fighting it at the source sounds like the most efficiënt option.

(I’m assuming it’s not easily done, otherwise it would have happend, but I’m just wondering how that works)

the most famous gold sellers move to china because china gets paid so they dont care who gets scammed.

Not only that even their government gets accused of hacking into business’s and such of other nations. So you would imagine they may even hire people to do so.

Seems kinda racist, without any data to back that up. Could just as easily be US personnel operating on US soil. And are we forgetting all the bad stuff the NSA, CIA and FBI does? Probably best not to try and attribute any of this to a particular country.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Perhaps one can say the event is dead for a casual player, but not for the more aggressive ones who are willing to sit for an hour or more in one specific map hoping to get it done.

I don’t think you can even say that. There’s no such thing as a casual player that would preclude them joining an organised TT. I am not more aggressive because I run or have run TT. It’s more likely to succeed with the aforementioned groups so “hoping” is not a good choice of word. An hour or more of sitting in one specific map? Not really a big deal given the mastery points the OP wants from this I don’t think.

Gehenna.3625:

General Health.9678:

The solution can’t be just a toggle to disable the bar surely. Just because you can’t see the lack of masteries and waste of Xp doesn’t mean they’re not happening. Is that what people would really want? Out of sight, out of mind?

That’s also not what I suggested. For me a toggle can go both ways, so also toggle it back on depending on what you want to gain xp for.

I agree that is the definition of a toggle. There currently aren’t any things to gain XP for except Masteries. I’m clearly missing the point and I don’t doubt you know what you want and I’m pretty sure I could get behind it. I just don’t know what it is.
Toggle so it shows what Mastery track you are working on?

Djinn.9245:

General Health.9678:

The solution can’t be just a toggle to disable the bar surely. Just because you can’t see the lack of masteries and waste of Xp doesn’t mean they’re not happening. Is that what people would really want? Out of sight, out of mind?

We’re talking about a toggle between the Masteries and regular XP gain. So instead of being stuck with all XP going to Masteries even when we have no Mastery Points to use, we can toggle back to gaining regular XP.

But you can’t get regular XP, you are maxed out.

The solution can’t be just a toggle to disable the bar surely. Just because you can’t see the lack of masteries and waste of Xp doesn’t mean they’re not happening. Is that what people would really want? Out of sight, out of mind?

Djinn.9245:

The objection is how the game has gone from being able to get XP for your character by doing anything you want in the game, to not being able to get XP/Spirit Shards unless you follow the very narrow path that Anet has dictated.

Maybe many players don’t mind this lack of choice. Or maybe Spirit Shards aren’t something that they need or want. But going from complete freedom of choice to a single path for progressing my character is not fun game play for me. I prefer choices.

Apples and oranges, you can’t compare pre-hot to post-hot and add shards.

I’m really unclear whether you’re complaining because this is affecting you or if you’re complaining on behalf of everyone because the wider playerbase doesn’t seem be complaining about this, it’s mentioned in a couple of places and people are either “do a simple raid”, “who cares about shards” or “oh my god this game sucks because anet forces us to raid (or whatever flavour of the month thing it is people suddenly take offence to)”. If you personally need to raid as the last thing to unlock spirit shards and you really, really want shards.. join a guild that offers training raids and just run one. It’s one tiny thing being blown out of all proportion.

Maybe there will be another way to get spirit shards in the future, maybe there’ll even be a need for them in the future.. in the meantime, try raids, might even enjoy them. Chances are if you are already frustrated by the rest of HoT you will not be able to but plenty of people here will show you round the HoT maps if you ask and the metas are really good fun, missing out if you’ve not tried them.

This wasn’t social engineering, the guy (from the screenshots on imgur linked from reddit) basically said “hi change my email from <legit sounding email> to <totally implausible sounding email>” and they just said “ok if you give us some more details” and he proceeded to give them an address that didn’t even match the one on the account.

Also admits on reddit to doing this to various other people, it took getting hold of a GM account to get anything done.

As an exercise in highlighting security I hope it achieves something, removing stuff from the account was bad tho, that ruined any positives that could have come from this for me and I hope the stuff is returned.

Djinn.9245:

GreyWolf.8670:

Vayne.8563:

Mostly true. You have to kill at least one raid boss. Some people sell raids, or do practice teaching raids. After your first kill you unlock raid masteries and you can train them like any other.

Once all your masteries are completed you again get spirit shards for leveling.

We should not have to pay others for content we paid ArenaNet for.

Exactly, great point.

Not really a great point. You don’t have to do the content, I myself haven’t. You don’t have to pay someone else to do it for you, I again haven’t. I clearly don’t care about doing that content or about spirit shards. If I did.. I’d go kill a raid boss, get it over and done with and go back to never doing it again.
I’ve got no interest in doing this but really.. it’s gw2.. how hard can it be? My guild offers training and clearing raids and I don’t hear about it being impossible content. If I could muster a bit more interest I’d go check it out.

From what people have said it’s fairly easy to get the raid boss kill you need to unlock the mastery and then you just need some Xp and MPs like with any track.
I haven’t done it and it may well be that my idea of fairly easy and theirs (and yours) differs wildly but I’m pretty sure at this point it’s another suck it up and get it done exercise, who knows I may love the raid experience.

As for the idea you may suddenly need spirit shards.. well maybe you will. And then maybe you’ll have to kill a raid boss. Or there will be a track. /shrug Or maybe you won’t. There’s far too much hysteria about stuff people don’t want to do.

I’ll reiterate what I say in every “hot is too hard” thread.. more than happy to show anyone around, as are other people who are also in this thread.
As for Masteries.. they are what they are. You play the game, you get XP. You need Masteries to unlock the next level and then you need some more XP.
I can’t get XP for you but I’d be happy to help people get MPs where another person helping would be useful.

Beetle Feast for instance is a simple gold if all the mobs are dead. All the mobs are dead? How are you supposed to do that? Why do I say these things? You are casual and don’t spend 12 hours playing a game! Relax.. I’m saying I’ll go ahead killing stuff.. you just run round pressing 1.

Drone Racer – easy gold. But can be hard to get to, there are pocket raptors and stuff! I’ll show you where it is and even kill some raptors if required.

I’ll also add that watching it done (videos like dulfy) and having the map open on a separate device (phone, tablet, different tab) helps. Joining a guild helps. Asking for help in mapchat helps. Frustration is horrible and for things like MPs where you just need to do them once.. grit your teeth and get them done. Happy to help people do that.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Ah, well, we don’t all play 12 hours a day, do we? Lol.

Length of time played a day isn’t a definition for casual or hardcore. Nor is raiding a hardcore activity, my guild runs practice raids every week and there are plenty of first timers each time. One of my friends from another game, whenever he comes here, just plays lowbies for a whole day.

I think we need to define who these casuals are that are being discriminated against before we can decide if there’s any merit to any of this. If we just mean “people who don’t want to raid” then the collective noun for that isn’t “casuals”.

Obviously there is, otherwise you’d be able to.
I’m thinking they are an instance as when we do guild missions, the map always closes and spawns a new one and we move into that.
If they are spun up on demand then you wouldn’t want to keep those open for everyone for all the time. Imagine it’s the same for your home instance, if you log off in it, you’ll log back in outside of it.

I suspect the guild halls are temporary instances so you can’t log out and expect that same instance to still be there later. Not really that hard to press g and go to guild hall using the button.

green or lower I just salvage with copper o matic or equivalent
rares I hit O, check the market price. If it’s more than ecto, sell on TP.
Otherwise salvage with a silver o matic or equivalent
Exotics I check the market price. If it’s worth anything, I’ll sell it otherwise I salvage it for ecto with a black lion kit.

I see a fair bit on the forums of people going “hate hot, refuse to go in it”. And you know what, good. That means a lot less map friction, chats full of complaints. Keep it on the forums.
On the other hand.. if you actually make the effort to check the HoT maps out and are genuinely stuck – which can happen sooner or later depending on the map – just ask in map chat and people will help you out. Join a guild that loves HoT, improve your chances or a shared fun experience. Add me (and there are others who offer in every thread) and I’ll show you around.

Cerby.1069:

i haven’t done the raids yet…but honestly that doesn’t matter. Raids are just like dungeons…closed instances where the only advancement available is to kill the enemy rather than ‘fight it’. And none of you kittenpond are gonna understand the difference…

Are you sure it doesn’t matter? Seems like it might be bothering you.

you are not forced to do either all adventures or to get gold in any particular adventure. There are more than enough mastery points that you can skip some adventures altogether.

How is it wasted? Once you’re maxed, you’re maxed. Simple and the same in any game.
And really unclear what casual players are or why they are being discriminated against.

Ayrilana.1396:

There is an item that you can purchase with 1K of the currency that let’s you permanently port characters to the map without them having to do the first two LS instances. This currency is fairly easy to obtain.

So there’s no need for a portal then.
Thread can be closed.

Ah I see, this is about farming.
There should be a portal so you can take all your toons there to farm currency without having to do the story.

Khisanth.2948:

General Health.9678:

Why do you want to take your other characters to the new map yet don’t want to play them through the story?

I like playing different classes and characters but the story has zero replay value.

The two instances required to reach the new map is also 99% standing around waiting for NPCs to finish talking and occasionally walking around to press F.

The new map has zero replay value. I haven’t taken every toon to Dragon Stand as I don’t intend to play my unloved engineer there, I run it pretty much every time on one toon. I also love playing classes and characters but they don’t all need to do the same thing.

bobsort.4097:

I re-started playing game about a year ago (few days more or less) and get my only toon to level 80. I played Trade post very well and now I have 10 character slot which I didn’t pay money for it. I could use that gold to BUY ascended but right now I only have 2 ascended pieces which I bought half their material from TP. Here is Pay Wall if you want to go fast you need to pay, buy gem, change to gold, buy material. If you don’t you’ll have a year to make your ascended gear.

What? You only have one toon and yet managed to play the TP enough to buy 10 character slots (why when you only have one toon??) and your conclusion is that if you want to go fast you’ll need to pay and buy gems? How is that your conclusion when you just said you earned enough to buy 10 character slots? So confused.

Gehenna.3625:

Also visiting Orr last night, there really aren’t a lot of people there anymore and since those areas are still rather a pain in the butt to go through I’d say that it’s not that great to go there.

And yet the other day I was there and someone commented they hadn’t expected to see so many people and were pleasantly surprised.
So I guess it’s timing. I was there last night (about 10pm UK time) to do the daily vista and stayed to get in a giant/ooze, rotbeard, couple of hallas, half an Arah defend and then ran round gathering. Fairly busy, suspect most people are doing the LS3 story which is where I’d just come from after doing a bunch of achievements.

Why do you want to take your other characters to the new map yet don’t want to play them through the story?

The big QoL change for me was salvaging. It’s elegant and I love it.
Playing through the story and really enjoying it so far. I felt the time in the first story step was appropriate given the events and from there everything has flowed and been a lot of fun. Currently in the new zone working on stuff there and it feels like a good addition to the new HoT maps.

Not tried the new fractal, ran out of time but looking forward to checking that out soon.

Big thumbs up from me.

I maxed all crafting when the game first came out then upped it all when we got 500. It’s not only not hard but doesn’t even take long to do. Now that you can get a guide that walks you through it, if you wanted 500 in weaponsmith for an ascended weapon it’s no harder than a) reading and b) having the mats. You should have the mats if you’ve been playing pve but if not, you’ll need to get them off the TP.

Mawdrey was a terrible example to use earlier on, I love crafting and thought that was just a horrible quest / exercise.

Ascended – once you’ve got your whatever it is to 500 via the guide – then you are gated which is annoying. But a lot less annoying (apparently) than not having what you want. I find crafting fun, if you do not then get a guide and just see it as a task. One mans “yay tons of recipes” is another mans “too many things too make, too confuse”. That’s what the guides are for, minimum of effort for maximum crafting level.

“There should be other ways to get stuff” – but there aren’t. I’m not saying don’t raise it as an issue / complaint but don’t let it ruin your life. Get a guide, get the gear, complain in the relevant places.