Guild Wars 2

I don’t hate the GS but I very very rarely ever use it.

The fact that the knock back doesnt really face your direction is my number one reason for disliking it. Strafing and the knock back don’t go well together and I’m rarely not circle strafing.

Did I just read that scepter is not a condi weapon? Um, it’s the quintessential condi weapon since the patch.

If anything the scepter is now one of the most condi specific weapons in the game.

Scepter is still problematic but I wouldn’t say it “floats in the middle” of condi and power. It is most positively a condi weapon now. With 1800 condi the torment rocks people.

The worst part of this is the health regen. Health regen, unless wearing full healing power is basically worthless. 150 ticks aren’t going to do much for anyone.

I’m soooo resisting QQing right now. I’ll adapt I suppose, but this is hard to wake up to.

blutstein.2468:

Godmoney.2048:

blutstein.2468:

Godmoney.2048:

A GS mesmer is going to easily be taken out by a thief or ele who tunnels for you.

i call that BS. My GS often saves the kill, because i can’t spike enough with my staff. so thief escapes and reengages. Sure, he didn’t kill me, but i can’t kill him with staff too.

It depends from your second weaponset. for me, its easy: one weaponset has to be defensive (for me, its torch & Sc or Sw) and the other offensive (for me GS). At least in wvw.

I was generalizing. If you’re trying to get damage from your staff AA’s instead of your shatters you’re doing it wrong.

yeah I have to admit, with (traited) shattering there is enough spike. But not every build uses shatters ( currently I rarely do, playing with shatters since release has made me bored of it)

I used a 30-20-0-20-0 build last week with GS/sword/focus last week for a fun change of pace. I still always end up back at shatter variations. That GS spec hits like a truck though.

blutstein.2468:

Godmoney.2048:

A GS mesmer is going to easily be taken out by a thief or ele who tunnels for you.

i call that BS. My GS often saves the kill, because i can’t spike enough with my staff. so thief escapes and reengages. Sure, he didn’t kill me, but i can’t kill him with staff too.

It depends from your second weaponset. for me, its easy: one weaponset has to be defensive (for me, its torch & Sc or Sw) and the other offensive (for me GS). At least in wvw.

I was generalizing. If you’re trying to get damage from your staff AA’s instead of your shatters you’re doing it wrong.

Ross Biddle.2367:

A stack of Confusion is capped at 10 seconds. So if you already have enough bonus condition duration to hit the 10 second cap, adding something like the +33% confusion duration isnt going to have any effect.

Using givers, 20 in power, 2x lyssa and 2x mad king you can get 100% condition duration as is. Making the +33% more than null and void.

Have you tried this 100% up time before Boss Riddle and if so what are your thoughts on it in comparison to going for more spike confusion.

Personally I’ve never tried going that long on condi duration because so many classes can wipe condi’s and you give up ton’s of condi power to get that much duration.

I’m curious how you thought 100% uptime worked out?

Ross Biddle.2367:

Because he used his illusionary leap to dart over it quickly for the swap, but it got caught on the curb :/

Winner. ^

Both GS and staff have their uses and strengths. For shatter builds I prefer staff all the way because I’m usually trying to stay in a 600 range for sword shatters and staff lets me pressure while waiting for Cd’s to come back up.

For a build that is more geared to phantasms I would lean towards GS. Like Osicat said GS rely’s more on peeling. A GS mesmer is going to easily be taken out by a thief or ele who tunnels for you.

(btw, anyone who tells you staff is only for condi builds is just wrong.) Traited staff is one of our best clone producers making it excellent for power/crit shatter builds.

Weird, when i read guides or videos I just see a person’s viewpoint and I use their ideas to add to my own.

Just tried this new 3.0 heavy build and I got to say…………..pretty sweet build dude. Thanks.

I was doing the same rune/sigil thing awhile ago with a condi shatter build but it works even better with the tanky crit gear.

Kudo’s to you sir.

jportell.2197:

In a condition build it can last for 10.5s on an 11s cooldown and does 8k damage if ur enemy is moving. Simply awesome sauce.

This^ if you go full condi with Rabid or Carrion it hits like a truck and really helps fill out condi builds.

Mesmers got the best of Torment no doubt.

Freedan.1769:

Godmoney, a lot of people like to discuss portal because we really like and love this skill. And before you say its just a game, you bothered to post in a game forum so you obviously cared enough to talk about it. Every once in a while I miss a t while typing(notice how g is right below it?) The fact you are attacking one misspelled word shows how childish you are. I for one have never complained about poor grammar in online forums since its par for the course but since it’s so important to you to be infantile please continue, I would love to hear more from you.

Portal is a optional ability basically for people who suck at jumping puzzles. I have many members like this in my guild as I’m sure you all do.

Some people don’t like jumping puzzles and portal is a harmless way for them to skip to the end.

NEWSFLASH IF THEY WANTED IT TO NOT BE USED IN JUMPING PUZZLES THEY WOULD HAVE REMOVED IT.

Every guild puzzle my guild does requires a portal for a person or 2 that failed a jump. There’s nothing wrong with people having fun. The game has been out for over 10 months. If portal was as game breaking as these people claim they would have already removed it 3 or 4 months ago.

Portal isn’t going anywhere and people skipping jumping puzzles is part of the design to help less than able guildies. Its pretty obvious once you do guild puzzles, etc every week like we do that the ability is intended to be used. Who would have thought? Amazing that they have ability that is meant to be used. >.>

PS. if you’re a mesmer you still need to do the jumping puzzle. Only now your bad jumping puzzle guildies can join in the fun. OH NOESSS! How dare they let guilds have fun!

This thread has to be the most pathetic complaint in the forums history. I’m ashamed for people that are bothered for others having fun. It’s so sad and shameful.

Comparing class abilities when classes are completely different in function and fashion is pointless.

Every AOE elite or utility shouldn’t be the same. Comparing a thief utility to a Mesmer Elite isn’t a direct comparison. One is a utility, one is a elite. One class is squishier, one class is tankier. One class has more utility, one has less.

Comparing CD’s on stuff like this isn’t a balanced way to view balance. There are far too many variables within classes to simply say “this ability is superior because of cd’s”

Aoe stealth is amazing and Time warp and Moa have their places.

I think all 3 fit the class very well thematically though I could care less about themes.

To each his own I guess.

This is what’s bothering you? Wow, does it drive you crazy if I put 2 T’s in putt as well?

I putt together this sentence.

Some of the things that bug people is just weird.

30-20-0-20-0 GS Sword/focus
Runes of Air on Zerker gear
Get 15% more damage on phantasms 3xmantra charges and GS cdr.
Get dodge clone and Fury on clone
Get Move faster with clone trait and Mantra’s heal on charge.

Everytime you hit your heal you get speed, plus you have focus.

This spec can really kite. Just a fun spec I was running tonight and owning face on in WvW. the zerker wakittenting incredibly hard sometimes. I saw a few 7k.

Mmm, try it out if you’re inclined. I thought it was fun to use the GS for once.

Ross Biddle.2367:

There are loads of problems with torment on the scepter. A couple I didnt see in this thread yet are

A: It’s purely single target. Scepter offers nothing to the mesmer who gets jumped by more than one guy. Scepter 3 is great going through multiple targets, sure, but if you’re channeling that alone with 2-4 guys hammering away at you it’s not worth it.

B: Being a single target block it might work wonders against a thief. That is until he busts out his thieves guild buddies. Ranger pets, mesmer clones, random mobs all risk procing the block before your actual target can hit you. This is a design fail.

You are very correct.

Here’s what the scepter is……

A single target condi dueling weapon for 1v1’s.

It’s weak against non single target toons like engi’s, mesmer, things that can proc a block but not on target.

It does hit very hard though if you go all out condi.

Worthless for pve, worthless for zerg’s, worthless for power and crit builds.

Incredible though at 1v1 condi fighting.

Entropy.4732:

Godmoney.2048:

Geiir.7603:

Godmoney.2048:

Hmm, with 1530 condi damage it’kittenting for about 4500, and a additional 4500 if they run.

I feel it hits pretty hard all things considered. I am really liking it I got to say, but I need a couple more days with it to really have a valid opinion.

It does seem to scale very well with condi damage almost so much so I think scepter now requires condi gear to be worth while

As a thief this frightens me. A glass thief will have 13k hp. A thief that doesn’t move equals dead thief. This condition probably hit thieves hardest (not complaining!) because we rely 90% on evading damage. If you were to hit me whit that condition you would take about 50% of my health, glad I have some condition removal! :p

I took a thief earlier tonight from 100-25% with a single application of torment.

On 5 stacks of torment? Please explain. Seems impossible.

I’m rolling 0-20-0-20-30 picking up pistol and scepter trait. Sword/torch scepter/pistol Signet with bonus condi

With food and nourishment I’m at 1875 condi before might. Torment is hitting for 5500, If they move a additional 5500 is going to hit them.

Thief ran by me in wvw, I popped block, he proced it, stealthed and came out of stealth at 25%. I didn’t touch him with a single other ability.

When I get might stacks with my runes of hoelbrak and battle sigils my condi is at 2200. The only problem though with specs like this is that anyone can run away from you if they really want to. If they fight though they’re probably dying. Still a nice change of pace after 3 months of pure zerker shatter builds.

I was loving that double clone thing. I just noticed tonight when I got home from work that it wasn’t happening. Sad face.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Torment is decent, scepter isn’t.

Truer words have never been spoken. Torment hit’s like a truck but the block is only single target and hard to use on some types of targets (other mesmers, Engineers, pets eating it). The auto attack is just junk and the confusion channel takes way too long to charge up and feels clunky.

I would still say the scepter is 100% better than it was 1 week ago. Thats just saying how bad the scepter really was though. Now it at least has some use for condi dueling type specs.

Runes of air with zerker Staff Sword/pistol 0-20-20-0-30 is probably my favorite all around spec for it’s mobility, damage to survivablity, and hit and run style of play.

What’s fun about blowing someone up in 2 seconds? The blowing them up in 2 seconds part.

Geiir.7603:

Godmoney.2048:

Hmm, with 1530 condi damage it’kittenting for about 4500, and a additional 4500 if they run.

I feel it hits pretty hard all things considered. I am really liking it I got to say, but I need a couple more days with it to really have a valid opinion.

It does seem to scale very well with condi damage almost so much so I think scepter now requires condi gear to be worth while

As a thief this frightens me. A glass thief will have 13k hp. A thief that doesn’t move equals dead thief. This condition probably hit thieves hardest (not complaining!) because we rely 90% on evading damage. If you were to hit me whit that condition you would take about 50% of my health, glad I have some condition removal! :p

I took a thief earlier tonight from 100-25% with a single application of torment.

juno.1840:

Shatter mesmers are based on shatters — not BF. The two are not related at all. You can just as easily shatter without a sword.

That’s the major problem most players have with your post Castervania. Shatters were the least impacted build in the entire Mesmer arsenal with the patch.

If the nerf to BF ruined your ability to do well in sPvP, then I think you have other problems unrelated to the nerf. Seriously.

This^ Shatter barely got touched…………..thankfully.

Castervania.3560:

Stealth.9324:

Castervania.3560:

I repeat mesmer is a joke. I would rather play ele and feel like i’m doing something. Mesmer just doesn’t feel the same anymore, I believe that this people talking here run other classes and that’s why they are happy with the changes or they are pver, they have no idea of how hard it just got to solo in spvp and they could care less.
This is the only class I play and would not reroll regardless.

Please go and make a Eles, and see how useful Eles is in WvW. I challenge you to roam as Eles which can be done by Mesmer. And I am a PvPer, you can check my leader-board rank if u wish to do so if u are not believe in me.

Since I see you are so disagree with this Nerf and think it is too much, why so? Sure BF now no longer give you invulnerable, but still allow you to evade the whole entire time, which mean you can still cast it without worrying about a thing in the world, except now you have to watch out for Shocking Aura. CD has been changed to 10s to 12s (2s Difference),sure it will take time to get used to but it is not impossible to do so. Remember RtL nerf to Eles? Please elaborate me how RtL nerf back then is justify. Mesmer kill people with BF, while Eles use RtL to run away. BF still give you Evade and 2s longer CD while RtL being Nerf from 15s to 20s, then from 20s on hit to 40s off hit. Please remind me how easy it is to miss an attack. That’s nerf there barely touching the Bunker Build which was intended to tone down Bunker Build but COMPLETELY destroy our ability to Roam in WvW as well as to cross map faster in PvE. It takes time to adjust to this Nerf and we have had a hard time to do so. Or when Thief geting 4s reveal debuff, that Completely mess up their rotation chaining Stealth. Compare to these two Nerf, BF nerf will not make much different than normal. You can still cast it with no worry, you can still do Dams like bf, you can still combo off it easily, the only different now is every 12s instead of 10s like bf. It will take time to adjust, I give you that but it is not a MAJOR nerf that it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so. Also back then, they did not give us anything to compensate for the nerf while in this patch, they give you buff to compensate for that. So be happy.

You are obviously not a shatter mesmer. The whole thing was based on BF. At least mine was.

Ive played shatter mesmer from since launch. I have over 1450 hours on Godmoney. I can handle this nerf and adapt.

In fact the nerf I’ll go so far as to say it was a justified nerf. This hasn’t stopped me from winning.

Loco.4561:

aNet will NEVER increase the damage on Torment, because the same people who cried about confusion would cry about torment. aNet seems to cater for those lazy players who rather than not attacking (confusion) or not moving (Torment) would rather keep the ability to press 222222 until their fingers bleed.

The continual dumbing down of anything that requires any kind of thought to use or gives a penalty to a player is being removed from this game to cater for casual, lazy players. A shame really.

Are you kitten kidding me? You want it to hit harder than 11k? WTF.

I got to say some of your peoples whining is just silly. I would go so far as to say you’re bad and you should feel bad for being so bad, but I’ll stop short and say you should practice more.

Serious, if these changes really keep you from owning face then that’s your problem not Anet’s.

Buff Torments damage even more? That’s insane that you would even ask that. My torment takes people to below half health already.

I’m starting to lose patience with this complaining. It’s obvious that people haven’t even tried torment yet. There is no way a rational person could be asking for a damage buff on it unless they are completely clueless.

RogerAndOut.4280:

If you would use this for WvW (or some PvE content), should you play it as a condition build (focusing on confusion/bleeds/burning for damage) or a power build (focusing on illusions for damage and using invis for utility and condition removal)?

If going condition specced, would you run full rabid gear with 2x krait/2x undead/2x necro? I guess rabid trinkets with carrion rubies would be the way to go? Not sure about sigils though.
My thoughts: 20/0/30/0/20 taking IV, IX, IV, X (or VII), XII, V, IX?

If going power specced would you run a mix of zerk/knight/valkyrie gear with 6x centaur? A mix of zerk/cav trinkets? Not sure about sigils here either.
My thoughts: 0/0/30/15/25 taking IV, X (or VII), XII, V, V, III (or X)?

Full carrion armor weps
Full Rabid ascended jewelry
Full Hoelbrak runes
2x Sigils of battle

That worked pretty well for me. 1850 condi with scepter trait and condi sigil. That’s before the 10 stacks of might which are on you the whole time.

I’m not seeing how you can possibly make scepter work without full cond damage. Scepter is now a pure condi weapon unless you want torment to tickle.

Embolism.8106:

Krispera.5087:

Put Torment on Counterspell. Put AoE Blind on iCounter.

Fixed Torment and Scepter for you Anet.

Dear Lord no. Counterspell is so easy to avoid even unintentionally. IIRC it is as slow as WoC but doesn’t home.

I like it just fine on Block. Instead of thinking of it as punishing enemies for running away, think of it as punishing enemies for chasing after you.

I ran a 1850 condi spec tonight and Torment would take a thief from 100-25 before they knew what was what. It scales very very well with condi.

If you’re not going rabid or carrion though I would not use scepter. Scepter IS torment now. The confusion on it is still only ok because of it’s slow charge up time. The double clone proccing I’m sure will be patched away soon.

Honestly now that I’ve had a couple days with it I feel it’s a mostly fair patch for us.
A couple nerfs hurt.
A couple areas became more interesting.
A few new possibilities opened up.
Shatter is still awesome which is my favorite variations anyways.
I’ll adapt.

I’m Winning.

Winterfell.8915:

I will update it soon, printscr traits. As for tpvp, it can be interesting, done it a few times with this build now, together with a necro is a pain, its not just the confusion, its also the bleed that ticks for 123 normal, and the torment. Changed some runes so i got 1 sec longer for bleeds. Changed amulet with Rabid and carrion ruby, cond is the same but I survive a power burst much better! Cond I got power cleanse and the trait that cures when healing. You can bunk together and do some good dmg at mid with a guard for example. You got alot of stealth health regen and thoughness, and can kill another bunker pretty fast with condition, you can bunker close, but lose all of the stealth! Get portal iluusion of life etc.. This is just imo, trting to be innovative! Its doesnt mean its the best way or it can works.. but in mine mind it does.. pls try it out!!!

You could drop 5 from crit tree and pick up Illusionary persona, play it more as a shatter spec especially since scepter is double proccing clones.

I was using hoelbrak runes with battle sigils. My favorite part of the spec is that it doesnt use staff to be honest. I’m not a fan of GS or focus outside of pve personally.

Suuns.9203:

looks awesome! Good Job! Could you please show us traits?

His traits and build are in his Youtube annotations.

Winterfell.8915:

I dont play PvE but I think this build can be valid in PvE!

Build:

0/25/0/20/25

Cant find a site that updated the skills

I have to say this is a super interesting build to me. I’m going to use this tonight and give it a shot. Very creative. Thank you for posting this. I’m excited to try it.

Well ran it all night in wvw solo ganking. It is a great dueling build no doubt. You put on such consistent confusion even the most condi removal specs won’t keep up for long. I’m also sitting at 1850 condi before might stacks and using Hoelbrak runes so with 10 stacks we’re over 2200 condi damage. I’m not getting high stacks of confusion really but it’s consistent and always on target.

Team play? Mm I would still think a class 20-20 shatter would be better just for the raw aoe burst. Hmm, my opinion.

I would not use a spec like this in pve though when I can roll a classic 0-20-20-0-30 and do a lot more straight aoe damage with zerker.

Very cool spec though none the less and very fun to run for a nice change of pace. +9000 for creativity.

MountainPanda.5831:

Thanks for the constructive opinions guys, I play my mesmer since beta and I have to admit too much nerfbat kinda kittens me. I do have a thief and warrior but I still like my mesmer. Lets see what good builds the rest of the fellow mesmers can come up with. I used to be a glamor mesmer but I switched to hybrid for guild wvw.

Being frustrated right now is natural, but I do think you should give it a week before coming to any conclusions.

We all get a little frustrated when change is thrust upon us, it’s only a natural response.

MountainPanda.5831:

Have anyone played the mesmer class in wvw before implementing the changes? Mesmer is next to useless in wvw zerg situation since the glamor nerf. Now even more so with blurred frenzy change, mesmer having hard time surviving. 99% of the time I summon an illusion it will die in 0.0001 secs, how exactly Anet want us to play?? You buff necros and engineers to the top and nerf mesmers to oblivion, I dont see balance here. No point even going shatter spec if you gave nothing to shatter either.

Mesmer excels as a small scale roamer/skirmisher. You could go glamour spec or something supportive if you like rolling with zergs.

Personally I play my mesmer like a thief which is really it’s intended design imo. I roam solo or with a couple buddies and we kill people running supplies or havoc camps and occasional towers.

To be perfectly honest if zerging is what you’re most interested you kinda chose a less than ideal class for it. Same thing with thief. Thieves can zerg of course and spam shortbows but in reality thieves excel on the edges of fights and picking off runner/stragglers.

On the other hand Mesmer’s do have the best zerging utilitites hands down. Feedback, Portal, Veil, and null field are considered must haves for any good commander. Real WvW commanders rely on their mesmer more than any other class for battle field strategy. Personally though I can’t be bothered to play glamour specs much less follow zergs when I can gank solo which I find more enjoyable.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Again, there’s nothing wrong with the damage torment provides. The issue is that from the mechanics, it appears to be designed to provide a meaningful choice between not moving or taking higher damage. However, the damage increase is not significant enough for anyone to even consider not moving to decrease the damage taken.

Yes, in Daoc or WAR or Rift barb affects did zero damage if you hold still and tons if you move. I’m not sure why they went with this middle ground?

In Warhammer a shaman putting a barb on you really really hurt if you didn’t stand still. Torment is really much more of a bleed than a actual BARB effect.

Entropy.4732:

Godmoney.2048:

Hmm, with 1530 condi damage it’kittenting for about 4500, and a additional 4500 if they run.

I feel it hits pretty hard all things considered. I am really liking it I got to say, but I need a couple more days with it to really have a valid opinion.

It does seem to scale very well with condi damage almost so much so I think scepter now requires condi gear to be worth while

What mesmer runs 1530 condition damage these days? Completely impractical after the confusion nerf. And I hate to break it to you, but no one’s gonna buy all condition gear for one torment application off a block on scepter.

Hmm, I don’t know? I have been all day. I have every stat set in the game though on my mesmer with the best runes and sigils so for me to pop on condi damage for a week to test things isn’t a big deal.

I mean I have the gear just sitting there Rampager, Rabid, Carrion with full ascended Rabid so it’s no skin off my back to roll a less than ideal power crit build I usually run.

I mean if I’m going to bust my butt getting over half dozen sets I might as well use them when we get patched don’t ya think?

I haven’t fought any particularly good people today but I have won every 1v1 this evening. Most of the opponents weren’t particularly good though I will admit. Honestly my biggest problem with running cond is the lack of Runes of air I usually run. I feel slow after 2 months of solid air runes.

Hmm, with 1530 condi damage it’kittenting for about 4500, and a additional 4500 if they run.

I feel it hits pretty hard all things considered. I am really liking it I got to say, but I need a couple more days with it to really have a valid opinion.

It does seem to scale very well with condi damage almost so much so I think scepter now requires condi gear to be worth while

Dastion.3106:

I didn’t call you a liar, but please realize that wild claims are hardly rare in these parts. I was skeptical when only one person mentioned it since there are ways to get accidental clones (ie if you throw a feedback in front of an enemy Mesmer and he casts Ether Clone, the reflect causes you to get a clone).

Once someone else pipped in I believed, but we needed more information. Usually for things like this the culprit is the weapon trait, because of how they code those skills (each trait combination that effects a skill is a completely separate skill). That’s why sometimes when a skill gets buffed they forget to also buff the trait version. But I tested that in sPvP and couldn’t get it to work, I tried a few random chaos and duelist traits but still couldn’t mimic it… So it got frustrating that no one would give detail

NP dude. I’m too sensitive. My apologies.

Dastion.3106:

Godmoney.2048:

Thanks man, hopefully a kitten video is enough to convince some of us…..

If that was directed at me, I believe you. We just had several people post that it happened but no one would post their trait choices, I believe you even said you’d do so and would not. It sorta helps to figure these things out

That’s not to say I don’t approach claims such as this with a healthy degree of skepticism. People have a tendency for seeing what they want to see. When the game was first released there were people who swore that clones could stomp enemies in PvP.

It’s fine dude. I just am sensitive about being called a liar. Whatever, I’ll drop it.

You can see in the vid though pretty clearly what’s happening with the double clone.

I wish they would leave it this way to be honest.

Sorry, I’m not really the sort to test things very extensively, but this one is pretty obvious.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Dueling I, X

Chaos III, VIII

Illusions II, V, XI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR5iFRRH5SI

Thanks man, hopefully a kitten video is enough to convince some of us…..

Dastion.3106:

Except no one has been able to replicate it in a way that they can show others. I attacked sPvP dummies for a good bit and never saw two appear.

So what I have to post a video for you to believe us?

Here’s multiple people all saying the same thing and you’re telling me that WE have to prove to you the validity of our claims? As if we have some weird ulterior motive to lie about something so benign?

Anyways, before I get any ruder…..

(CRIT) Far reaching manipulations, Deceptive evasion

(TOUGH) Master of manipulation, Chaotic dampening

(ILLUSIONS) Illusionary persona, Master of Misdirection, Confusing cry

AkiLeaves.2613:

colesy.8490:

Just get full berserker.

I am already, I was just wondering if any of the karma sets are viable. >_>

You’re best bet is to use the wiki to organize your karma armor…….here’s a link.

None of the merchants sell complete sets of any one stat set. You’ll have to hunt and peck.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Equipment_acquisition_by_stats#Karma

Winds.3087:

Apparently necros has similar issues too.

Maybe i’m wrong then about it not being broken. It’s kinda hard to tell with this ability. We’ll just have to have enough people try it and come to a consensus.

As far as I can tell it’s working but that may be me being a dummy. Have to go double check>

Dastion.3106:

Like I said, we’re going to have to do more detailed experimenting. I was running 0/0/20/20/30 at the time. What are your traits? It looks like it’s probably somewhere in Duelist or Chaos.

I’m running some pve. I’ll hop back on my mesmer in half hour and let you know.

I’ll change everything and see if i can break the double proc.

Nice dude, thanks for the numbers. Will use tonight.

Hmm, i’ve been testing it and it seems to working fine. You’ll notice the speed of the numbers drastically speed up when the target moves. Otherwise it’s hard to see.

Dastion.3106:

Might want to rethink your experimenting methods, it’s only proccing a single clone. Tested with and without the scepter trait.

tested it in spvp and wvw, proccing double clones on both.

Must be a tactic, im running 0-20-20-0-30

Not using the scepter tactic at all.

In EB right now experimenting with condi builds and scepter is most positively proccing 2 clones on the 3rd hit.

Meh, it’s actually good now for my shatter confusion spec of 0/20/20/0/30 with hoelbrak.

I’m sure it’s a bug though.

0/0/10/30/30 Guardian with cleric’s is the most faceroll build ever. You can carry the worst pve’rs through almost anything.

10/30 30
20/20 30
0/20/20 30

Pick one

Durzlla.6295:

Godmoney.2048:

Durzlla.6295:

Godmoney.2048:

Durzlla.6295:

Godmoney.2048:

Durzlla.6295:

Not everyone wants the spotlight, I would be one of said people who would perform a prank, watch it unfold and not step up for the fame

Edit: look at how the patch notes implement torment, 3 skills, no traits, 1 is off a BLOCK, one from a skill that will immob them, and a utility (only one that makes sense) not to mention the necro skill isn’t as they described, and torment does less damage than bleeding and stacks in intensity (according to the notes) so that either needs to scale AMAZINGLY with condi damage or it’ll be ignorable because there’d be no way to get it over 6 stacks on a mobile foe

Oh yeah, did I mention the patch notes call the Death Shroud 5 skill “Dark Binding” when it’s already been confirmed by Anet the skills name is Tainted Shackles?

Yeah, so a video was just released from Massively.com that pretty much confirms the patch notes.

Soooo, in all my years of mmo gaming (I’m 37) almost every single instance of leaked patch notes are real. In fact I can’t recall one of the leaked patch notes in WARhammer, Daoc, City of heroes, WOW, etc that was actually fake.

Thanks for arguing, GG.

I just watched the video on massively and either i watched the wrong video, or it confirms nothing other than the stuff that Anet has already announced…

Well there are patch previews today that confirm 90% of the leaked notes. Except we get a few nerfs thrown in for fun.

Anyways the notes were real albeit not finalized which is only to be expected of anything leaked.

You talking about the ones that say at the top of the page THESE ARE NOT OFFICIAL? Because that’s the only ones I’ve seen!

http://www.guildwars2hub.com/features/editorials/sky-pirates-tyria-traits-preview-part-one

Even with all the info we have you’re still going to deny reality up till the last minute eh? So be it.

The other 99% of us will start theory crafting while you wait for the notes to be confirmed. It’s not like we have long to wait is it?

Whatever.

The ones i saw didn’t say that it was jotted down during the press preview, now that’s the case i doubt they’re false or will change much.

Can we just stop side tracking this thread with semantics about whether the patch leaks are real or not. I don’t want to argue about it.

Assuming they are real though I’m still not seeing how condi damage is going to be viable.

I’ll wait till tomorrow and will definitely be experimenting all week, but I’m still not seeing it. This deeply saddens me because I much prefer cond specs to crit specs but I also like winning most of my fights.

Lets stop arguing and cross our fingers that we can put together some condi specs with synchronicity in the morning. I still don’t see Condi specs being viable though until they buff confusion by 10-15%.

We’ll have to wait and see I guess.

Let’s all just hope there aren’t any more major nerfs in the morning.