If axe 1 was given a cone cleave 3-4 targets, axe 2 a syphon health component, then I think axe would be worth something. In addition I think vulnerability is crud as we have to spam 1 over and over to stack any vuln. Seriously this is the shortbus of weapons, we really need this buffed so I can ditch staff. I hate staff because it’s so slow and weak, and we are forced to run it. If axe was buffed it would be nice in combo with reaper as well.
Still in awe that the axe mastery trait was nerfed. Just don’t get it.
Anet does really need to take a look at necro’s axe, its dreadful. I would like to see the attack made to a cone cleave, with axe 2 being a health syphon. That would definiately make it more useful. Its terrible wading into battle (pvp and pve) with the axe being single target. Its essentially useless, because several classes spam vuln faster than we can put it on with the weakest autoattack in the game (aside from necro staff, which is even weaker).
necro’s weapon skills in general leave a lot to be desired, which is more noticeable as we have to rely on autoattacks so much.
Necro still needs help in pvp and pve, and I truly hope they will actually do something to improve it. The mesmers sure were improved drastically, and i think they could do the same thing for the necro.
We will never be top tier with things as they are now. Anet broke the mold with ele, engie, guardian burning and thief, warrior, mesmer burst. Wvw and pvp are stupid right now . Please God release crowfall or CU some can play a real pvp game. So tiRed of the favored classes ruling.
Better game comes along I’m gone, because this favoritism sucks monkey sack
the spike damage mesmers are able to do and go in and out of stealth is stupid op. i don’t give a f if you think its not. Coupled with engie nade, and ele dmg, I am lost all interest in this game. No reason to play unless you’re one of anets wonder classes.
Don’t care if you agree or not.
great for mesmers, good job.
Can necros get some of the same attention.
Seriously, we want to be viable as well.
Overall we are so weak compared to all classes in pve, and we bring nothing to pvp unless The other team relies on condis.m truth be told, while we have more builds, we are not meta, and bring nothing useful to organized play.
Dhuumfire is not worth it and our condi application is so bad compared to every condi build in the game not only due to our crappy access to burning but also due to our terrible ability to stack condis unless you count our condi redirects. In general I have shelved my condi Necro because it’s bad, and I feel our wvw builds have also gone to crap u less your talking about zergs.
Boring
I’ll tell you what, I don’t want any class nerfed, I just want necros to be equally viable. Necros were improved yes, but while the other classes, esp mesmer, engie, ele, warrior, skyrocketed forward, the Necro is advancing on a pogo stick
lol this is good other classes were brought up to speed to the class im playing therefore I request that my class also get a buff once again putting it out ahead ( my class is only viable when it shadows the other classes).
Prior to this patch any team rocking a mesmer had to develop around the mesmer. we’ll see if anything has changed with upcoming tourneys.
Wait, and necros were top tier prior to this patch and other classes had to be brought up to the Necro?? And are top tier now?
What are you smoking and where were you playing pvp? In what meta have necros ever been top tier? Necros had a two week time window where we were tough with dhuumfire to where all our condi output was overly nerfed because if it, to the point that our condi output was lower than what is was at release even with the nerfed fhuumfire, which concequently is complete kitten on the Necro right now. The only kittening reason were are ok is that we can kick condis back to their originator, and it’s mostly only power builds in the meta doing this, as the Necro condi builds are a joke compared to an Engies sped 15 stack bleeding and insta 7 I burn stacks. Necros is in the meta if at all because the classes dishing out the damage can’t handle their own damaged kicked back to them.
Meta is a joke
I think we were improved somewhat and I like what i see, albeit the CC nerf absolutely sucks donkey kitten, as does the plague nerf. That said, we still are no where near the engie, guard, mesmer, ele, thief, and warrior dominant meta.
Our syphons are still weak, and our defense vs the spike meta is still lacking. If they could just up our healing in shroud a bit more, and give us a slight boost in defense I think we would be golden
I’ll tell you what, I don’t want any class nerfed, I just want necros to be equally viable. Necros were improved yes, but while the other classes, esp mesmer, engie, ele, warrior, skyrocketed forward, the Necro is advancing on a pogo stick
It is clear that burning is ridiculous right now, and classes with access to stacking 7+ burnings are terrors. That said, while we are weaker on condi builds, but we do send their condis back at them, which helps, but our access to burning does suck, and dhuumfire is terrible, thus will never be used.
In addition, what is more terrifiying are the mesmer dmg spikes, engie 100 nade (and occasional elixor rampage), and warrior rampages/spike dmg. It is ridiculous that they can spam damage like they do, while being completely immune. Its game breaking imo.
I definitely take foot in the grave as dhuumfire is crap right now. Ds1 is too slow and you have to spend too much time in DS which is not good as a condi build. As to warhorn, I have been using dagger and taking signet of the locust for the aoe boon convert instead of corrupt boon.
yeah, i was playing earlier, now it tries to download something else and dies, and i can’t even get in.
same here, i am unable to download, or it starts, then gets an error and hangs.
yeah, im thinking holbrek runes, with the 20% added to condi reduction
Bhawb, what runes would you recommend on that setup?
We are looking at a spite/curse/sr build for spvp, and a spite/bm/sr build for pve?
Nosoc was using an axe/wh, staff for the spite/curse/sr build with a soldier rune (sometimes zerker?)
I guess staff, dagger/wh for pve?
What is everyone using for runes in a power build?
as im getting rid of my travelor runes
well they just nerfed barbed precision to 33% because they thought necro was too much condi damage
Still don’t get that. Engie can stack 15 bleeds stacks in one click, and ramp up to over 7k dmg per tic from burning all in under 3 seconds, and they are worried about our bleeds? How? Where does that come through?
I still think they need to totally rework MoC, revert CC nerf, and up our condi output a bit to include returning our lost bleed stacks on staff and scepter(post dhuumfire nerf); they need to return our 17% terror nerf (post dhuumfire); and they need to increase burning, because as it is now, it’s really bad. Max 3 stacks of burning only if you stay in ds as a condi build is super low dmg compared to any other condi class with burning.
I’m still shocked that the engie stacked bleeds to induce 2.2k dmg a sec, while stacking burning to over 7k in under 4 seconds, while maintaining numerous might stacks. I saw a mesmer burst someone down in under 2.5 seconds, and I saw a warrior stack bleeds faster than a Necro could while still doing 4k attacks. They switched to a Necro and it took the Necro so long to stack some damaging condi’s compared to the other classes. Karl got on dueled a few times and opened with signet Of suffering everytime, to get any damage at all. I also saw that at max we can stack dhuumfire/burning 3 times which requires us to be in DS as a condi build for awhile when we have a hard time generating life force. How can we compare. I watched that stream and we looked very very bad.
Condi output was very low, compared to the other condi builds we saw in action.
kitten it you were faster :p but your math was wrong
yeah i figured it was 23 (rounded up from 22.5). Not sure why i typed 24. alcohol probably.
it lasts only 15 seconds now unless you trait for spectral, then its back up to 23 or 24 seconds.
other than that, nothing.
I think he’s talking about the inevitable buffs we’ll have to receive after this crapshow.
On a side note Power Necro might be okay.
Bhawb, honestly asking here, what were the indications that power necro could hang in that meta. I mean i saw a mesmer spike a bot in under 2 seconds, and i did not see power improved in any way dmg wise, or defensively. I really am asking for your opinion.
my only hope is the fact that some of the streamers indicated that necro felt very weak from a condi standpoint, and did not appear to be too impressed from the power build standpoint.
how is that your only hope? xD
sorry, yeah, that was not clear. I was hoping that anet was going to listen to the streamers’ opinions, as indications that necro is underwhelming. It sure looked terrible.
my only hope is the fact that some of the streamers indicated that necro felt very weak from a condi standpoint, and did not appear to be too impressed from the power build standpoint.
I missed when Nos was playing, did that show anything positive?
Anyone throw me a bone?
lol, so that was an overwhelming nerf to our weakest weapon. LOL.
Ok, i just can’t… nothing to say anymore.
can’t even generate positive thought…
done…When are you ever positive?
But seriously, the unholy fervor trait only applies to axe?!?! Wtf?!? I was staying pretty positive, saying that they took 3 steps forward 2 steps back but it seems like so far they took only about half of what necros wanted, and not even the good half!
ok, perhaps you’re right, but give me something to be positive about? I am still not seeing anything that shifts us up into the meta, or makes us actually carve out a nich. we are literally weaker than most classes right now on the power end of things, and on the condi end of things. Only thing we can do we is transfer, but i am worried it will be to slow to actually keep pace with the speed at which condis are stacked by warriors and engies (for example.), plus the damage they were putting out aside from condis.
I just can’t see how we will compete, but I truly want to see us improve. Maybe I am wrong in being so negative, but I can’t see any reasons to be really positive.
meta did not change, its the same 5-6 classes dominating.
well, at least necro is bottom tier, and will be utterly gone from the top tier meta.
It’s dead.
lol, so that was an overwhelming nerf to our weakest weapon. LOL.
Ok, i just can’t… nothing to say anymore.
can’t even generate positive thought…
done…
after watching that stream, and the 2 v 2s, it was felt as if they were letting the necro do well, as he was not even a treat, when the warrior was recking everyone. The condi stacks the engie and warrior performed, while stacking might was amazing compared to the necro. In fact the necro looked like it was a middle school baseball player taking a major league pitch, and without question, struck out.
Watching the necro stack bleeds and then jump into ds to fire off DS 1 after DS1 trying to stack burn (for a max of 3 stacks), which equates less damage than maintaining scepter was laughable.
I cannot see how anyone can defend this class, or the lack of condis and power this class holds right now. It needs serious help, and IT WILL NOT BE in the meta, at its present state.
It’s a joke
lol thats all he concluded? that plague needed a long single bleed? Lol. Necros are kitten now, and will still be kitten, when a warrior or an engie can stack bleeds, or bleeds plus burning faster than you can get off 5 auto attacks.
Joke class
dude, did you see the warrior, mesmer, and engie showcases, they looked amazing. then they showed necro, and it was… well absolutely horrible. POower builds compared to what the other classes could do, were so sad for a necro, and then they showed condi and it was worse. Even the tester was like, wow, i see why necro players are mad. LOL
Anet, why don’t you pay attention?
they ended that stream i believe because it showed how ridiculous it was. I am really thinking necro is done. It is simply done in pvp.
Condi Engineer unloads conditions quickly to necro … Necro consumes or transfers them back. Necro laughs (or giggles).
you mus tnot have watched that engie. That engie got those stacks up that high in 4 seconds, and we have to be facing him, and to perfectly land the transfers, which will likely kill us before we get them off.
Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!
LOL, im still laughing after watching him spam that, and drop the mesmer bot in like, 5 seconds LOL.
HAHAHAH, what is amazing is that no one at anet is going… uh, guys, necro needs some help.
Karl is like, i play necro a lot now and i never lose.
LOL
All condi builds on all other classes > necro
warrior condi > necro condi by about idk, 10x
LOL. i know, im laughing so hard. ANET FAILED so hard, and they think its good. LOL. I am so laughing my kitten off right now. LOL. hahahhaah. can kill yourself without plague, just with the condis you put on yourself.
hHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
if you look at the engie that is playing right now, and his dmg output in less than 5 seconds, he does more damage than we can in 30 seconds. LOL
JUST LOL.
Necro died. It is dead.
LOL looking at the engie build that they are showcasing right now and compare it to necro. LOL necro looks like he is a elementary school kid fighting a ufc fighter LOL!
JESUS ANET YOU FAILED!
ENGIES so op!
LOL OMG look at that engie build, and then compare it to the necrto build that they talked about beforfe hahahahahah…. SUCH A JOKE!
LOL look at this guy online right now. ITS TERRIBLE LOL!
LOL OMG THE GUY ON THE TWITCH STREAM RIGHT NOW LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Necromancers will be the kings of 1v1. So strong in fact that they can 1v1 themselves with no enemy input needed!
+1
Would give more if I could but hey devs don’t read anyways.
Maybe we can /lay Or let our dead bodies spell out “you suck balance team” after we suicide with this stupid plague nerf hahahha
Can someone tell me or point me to any complaints that our plague form was op? Any? Any posts at all? Did it disrupt a tournament? Did an engie cry due to plague form? Did an ele break his dagger or skin his knee because of plague! Did anyone, for the love of God anf all that’s holy ever kittening say, holy kitten consume condition or plague needs a kittening nerf it’s so op?
No? Then W. T F a kittening net
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Lol instead of creeping up slowly and getting nerfed, they just speed nerfed us into suicide and then buggered our corpses, With corruption mastery, and then stuck a red hot poker where the sun don’t shine in the name of consuming conditions
Willing to provide funding for anet to allocate more time spent on the Necro by someone who actually knows what the kitten they are doing… Hell we need a little favoritism. I would take a third of what Engies got this go around. Just 33 kittening percent of what Engies and mesmers got
F this patch and the horse it rode in on… Or char, or wtf ever it rode in on.
Dude our entire condi output was nerfed because we were given this trait and the nerfs remained after this trait was nerfed into uselessness. It is now, even worse than it was. Anet devs are so kittening biased
I want to laugh in the devs face who did this and the cc nerf. Just want to laugh right in their face
See post in pvp forum. Dennon’s post to be exact. Hilarious. Rym’s too.